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speechlesstx
May 13, 2013, 06:30 PM
Four breaking scandals in thus corrupt administration in a week, Benghazi, the HHS secretary extorting money from those she regulates, the IRS targeting conservative groups and now spying in the media, and it's Rush Limbaugh's fault Americans are skeptical of their government according to Obama.
Obama: Republicans are making Americans (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-republicans-are-making-americans-cynical-about-government/article/2529584?custom_click=rss)
We warned you, any libs ready to get your heads out of the sand yet?
smoothy
May 13, 2013, 07:05 PM
Obama is 51 years late for a reality check.
smoothy
May 14, 2013, 11:33 AM
Its even worse... Pro Publica... a leftist ProObama organizations was improperly and illegally given private and confidential details from 31 Conservative groups Tax return documents by Obama operatives working inside the IRS.
And they admit it themselves BEFORE it came out during an investigation.
Obama and the heads of the IRS need to go to jail... as well as any other person involved or that had knowledge of these crimes at the IRS.
IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica (http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs)
I wonder how the lefties would feel if the IRS was handing out THEIR personal information from their tax returns to others.
snb207
May 14, 2013, 12:01 PM
Of course, it's Limbaugh's fault. Why wouldn't it be? Just because Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin and all those other awful conservative hosts wouldn't shut up and go along with the party line. Obama also forgot about all those grassroots, conservative Americans who didn't buy into it either. Darn them anyway. He had all the big city Liberal-Urbanites brainwashed and ready to fall in line but he just couldn't get those rural, countrified-Conservatives. Let's not forget those Patriots in the US Military who refused to "Stand down" and let other Americans die just because Obama wanted someone dead to hide his underhanded/black market, gun running schemes. And now, even more of those Honorable Military Personnel are standing up and telling the truth about Ben Gazi and other incidents. Poor Obama just can't seem to get everyone to quietly shut-up and do what he wants. But it's still Limbaugh's fault. LOL.
tomder55
May 15, 2013, 02:44 AM
Its even worse.....Pro Publica...a leftist ProObama organizations was improperly and illegally given private and confidential details from 31 Conservative groups Tax return documents.
And they admit it themselves BEFORE it came out during an investigation.
Obama and the heads of the IRS need to go to jail....as well as any other person involved or that had knowledge of these crimes at the IRS.
IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica (http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs)
I wonder how the lefties would feel if the IRS was handing out THEIR personal information from their tax returns to others.
Sort of reminds me of file-gate... oh wait... the Clintonoids never used the info in the FBI files on their political opponents .
speechlesstx
May 15, 2013, 04:47 AM
What was it ex and others were saying, the GOP was headed for extinction? Funny how quickly things turn around when you get cocky.
smoothy
May 15, 2013, 11:01 AM
http://www.websophist.com/25_toLifeObamaTime_LenoO.jpg
smoothy
May 15, 2013, 11:07 AM
And here is just part of the problem the Lefties have been covering up.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/
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smoothy
May 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
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smoothy
May 15, 2013, 12:30 PM
IRS Stalled Conservatives While Giving Liberals a Pass on Tax Exemptions
Wednesday, 15 May 2013 10:50 AM
By Sandy Fitzgerald
Evidence is mounting that the Internal Revenue Service gave far better treatment to left-wing groups than those on the right, with data showing the agency approved dozens of liberal and progressive organizations as tax-exempt while leaving conservative groups hanging.
No tea party applications were approved in a 27-month period beginning February 2010. But numerous applications from liberal and progressive groups were given tax-exempt status during the same period, USA Today reported.
Some of those approved:
•Bus for Progress, New Jersey nonprofit organization whose mission is to support "progressive politicians with the courage to serve the people's interests and make tough choices." The group, which uses a red, white and blue bus to "drive the progressive change," was approved as a social-welfare group in April 2011.
•Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment, approved in September 2011. The group says it fights against corporate welfare and toward increasing the minimum wage.
•Progress Florida, which lobbies the Sunshine State's legislature to expand Medicaid under the provisions of Obamacare, and was approved in January 2011.
The groups, like the tea party organizations, sought tax reductions as social-welfare groups.
The details come at the same time that it was revealed that the IRS expedited tax-exempt status for a charity run by President Barack Obama's half brother, despite numerous questions about how it is run. The application from the Barack H. Obama Foundation was even backdated, The Daily Caller reports.
Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas, said the IRS actions show how the Obama administration puts politics ahead of anything else. Last year, Flores filed a complaint after the IRS asked the Waco Tea Party for information that he said was "overreaching and impossible to comply with."
The IRS wanted transcripts of radio interviews, copies of social-media posts, and details on "close relationships" with political candidates as part of the process, claimed Flores, who says that when he asked questions, the agency failed to answer adequately.
"They did more than sidestep the issue," Flores said. "They flipped me the finger."
Lois Lerner, the IRS official responsible for granting tax-exemption status, has admitted the agency was mistaken to subject tea party groups to additional scrutiny and has apologized. But she denies rejecting groups based on ideology, and said some progressive groups also were selected for further scrutiny.
One such group is Action for a Progressive Future, which took 18 months to get approval, USA Today reported. Co-founder Jeff Cohen said he didn't mind answering intrusive questions, so long as they were fair.
"From my perspective, if the IRS can hold up legitimate tea-party applications today and get away with it, then who knows if progressive groups will be held up and specially scrutinized in a few years. It's utterly unacceptable, if that's what happened," he said.
IRS records, obtained by The Daily Caller, show Lerner signed papers granting tax-exempt status to the foundation run by Obama's half brother Abongo "Roy" Malik Obama.
She signed off on the organization's tax status in June 2011 -- right in the middle of the 27-month hiatus for tea-party groups -- and granted it retroactive status within a month of filing.
Action for a Progressive Future has faced legal issues over the past few years.
In the month before the foundation was granted tax-exempt status, the National Legal and Policy Center filed a complaint with the IRS, asking why the group was allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not applied for a determination.
That's when Lerner gave it the retroactive exemption back to December 2008.
"The Obama Foundation raised money on its web page by
falsely claiming to be tax deductible. This bogus charity run by Malik had not even applied and yet subsequently got retroactive tax-deductible status," complained Ken Boehm, chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center. He called the attempt to raise money "common law fraud and potentially even federal mail fraud."
The Obama Foundation was set up ostensibly to help poor children in Kenya, where Roy Obama lives.
However, the Caller says, it has not registered in Virginia, where it is said to be based.
Lerner, a registered Democrat, has been slammed for the IRS handling of conservative
Groups, but her colleagues defend her, saying she acts "apolitically."
Larry Noble, FEC general counsel from 1987 to 2000, told The Daily Beast that Lerner "is really one of the more apolitical people I've met."
"That doesn't mean she doesn't have political views, but she really focuses on the job and what the rules are. She doesn't have an agenda."
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/irs-tea-party-liberal/2013/05/15/id/504614?s=al&promo_code=13804-1
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 04:27 AM
According to Chris tingly legs Matthews (again) all of Obama's problems are due to the 10 or 20 percent of Americans that are white supremacists. No, really.
Matthews: "Right-Wing" Opposition To Obama Due To "Sense The White Race Must Rule" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/15/matthews_right-wing_opposition_to_obama_due_to_sense_the_white_ra ce_must_rule.html)
Yes those darn racists are behind the IRS scandal, Benghazi, snooping in the media, etc. Obama's policies, incompetence, hubris, etc. have nothing to do with it.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 04:48 AM
Chris Mattews suffers from terminal brain rot.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 05:45 AM
You righties cannot deny that minorities and woman are running from your message in vast numbers or that the young people are rejecting your message as well. Hate and paranoia are big turn offs to many people.
tomder55
May 16, 2013, 05:55 AM
Yeah I see where they buy into the lies the left says about conservatives.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 06:43 AM
Gee... it was on May 5, 2013 President ZERO in a speech to his whorshippers said...
"You've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some seperate, sinister entity that's the root of all our problems...They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices."
And since then the revalations of massive criminal activity by him and his flunkies have come out about the IRS targeting Concervatives... while backdating approval of his half brothers illegal operation 2 years after operating illegally in just 30 days, there are Conservative requests that took 27 months and some are still in limbo..
And the justice department without the proper legal authority grabbing phone record of congress and the AP. And yes the phones on capital hill in the press offices are owned by the house... not AP.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 06:57 AM
You wingers always make the mistake of pointing out everyone else's shortcomings while failing to acknowledge your own. That's why you are out of power and I doubt the lazy unwashed will clamor to you until you do.
Stop hollering and learn to talk.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 06:59 AM
You wingers always make the mistake of pointing out everyone else's shortcomings while failing to acknowledge your own. That's why you are out of power and I doubt the lazy unwashed will clamor to you until you do.
Stop hollering and learn to talk.
Grow up... Obama has been caught in ILLEGAL activity... the sort of thing that demands jail time...
Stuff that really happened.. not like the imaginary stuff your side was fabricating to try to pin on Bush...
Criminal activity isn't a "shortcoming". It's a lack of ethics.. and a lack of respect for the Constitution, the law.. and the Country in general.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 07:16 AM
So now GBush was a misunderstood hero? Nobody buys that and you hollering doesn't make it true and who cares any way?
Wishful right wing thinking about all the Dems going to jail as criminals, or even the commander in chief being impeached. But the longer you holler and allow the repub to do nothing we all suffer as a country.
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 07:27 AM
You wingers always make the mistake of pointing out everyone else's shortcomings while failing to acknowledge your own. That's why you are out of power and I doubt the lazy unwashed will clamor to you until you do.
Stop hollering and learn to talk.
Tal, there isn't a lick of truth to that. The only one here refusing to acknowledge the reality unfolding before your eyes, which we've been trying point out for a long, long time, is you.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 07:27 AM
So now GBush was a misunderstood hero? Nobody buys that and you hollering doesn't make it true and who cares any way?
Wishful right wing thinking about all the Dems going to jail as criminals, or even the commander in chief being impeached. But the longer you holler and allow the repub to do nothing we all suffer as a country.
Bush was never even indicted, but your side spent well over 8 years trying to find something without any success... and we don't forget what CBS tried to do with the fabricated "evidence".
There are THREE very real scandles now under Obama... 4 people dead... many others severaly injured... and two additional Criminal activities that should and better land the involved parties in jail.
And actually... Compared the Democrat leadership... Bush actually IS a Saint.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 07:32 AM
That's your spin and you are entitled to it. I disagree. No spin, no hollering, no paranoia.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 07:35 AM
yeah I see where they buy into the lies the left says about conservatives.
I think they can see and judge conservatives words and actions for themselves. What you think we are just sheeple that fall in line mindlessly?
Keep thinking you are smarter than everyone else.
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 07:52 AM
I think they can see and judge conservatives words and actions for themselves. What you think we are just sheeple that fall in line mindlessly?
Keep thinking you are smarter than everyone else.
Based on the fact that Obama thinks he's smarter than everyone else and he apparently can do no wrong in the eyes of his worshipers in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, coupled with the Dems strategy of keeping people dependent on the government, I'd say there's a high likelihood that a significant percentage of Democrats are sheeples that fall in line mindlessly.
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 07:53 AM
P.S. Philadelphia Eagle Evan Mathis has an appropriate message for the IRS.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 07:57 AM
The only overwhelming evidence so far is the right wing noise, which is always silent when its repubs doing the dirt.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 07:57 AM
IRS Stalled Conservatives While Giving Liberals a Pass on Tax Exemptions
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:50 AM
By: Sandy Fitzgerald
Evidence is mounting that the Internal Revenue Service gave far better treatment to left-wing groups than those on the right, with data showing the agency approved dozens of liberal and progressive organizations as tax-exempt while leaving conservative groups hanging.
No tea party applications were approved in a 27-month period beginning February 2010. But numerous applications from liberal and progressive groups were given tax-exempt status during the same period, USA Today reported.
Some of those approved:
•Bus for Progress, New Jersey nonprofit organization whose mission is to support "progressive politicians with the courage to serve the people's interests and make tough choices." The group, which uses a red, white and blue bus to "drive the progressive change," was approved as a social-welfare group in April 2011.
•Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment, approved in September 2011. The group says it fights against corporate welfare and toward increasing the minimum wage.
•Progress Florida, which lobbies the Sunshine State's legislature to expand Medicaid under the provisions of Obamacare, and was approved in January 2011.
The groups, like the tea party organizations, sought tax reductions as social-welfare groups.
The details come at the same time that it was revealed that the IRS expedited tax-exempt status for a charity run by President Barack Obama's half brother, despite numerous questions about how it is run. The application from the Barack H. Obama Foundation was even backdated, The Daily Caller reports.
Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas, said the IRS actions show how the Obama administration puts politics ahead of anything else. Last year, Flores filed a complaint after the IRS asked the Waco Tea Party for information that he said was "overreaching and impossible to comply with."
The IRS wanted transcripts of radio interviews, copies of social-media posts, and details on "close relationships" with political candidates as part of the process, claimed Flores, who says that when he asked questions, the agency failed to answer adequately.
"They did more than sidestep the issue," Flores said. "They flipped me the finger."
Lois Lerner, the IRS official responsible for granting tax-exemption status, has admitted the agency was mistaken to subject tea party groups to additional scrutiny and has apologized. But she denies rejecting groups based on ideology, and said some progressive groups also were selected for further scrutiny.
One such group is Action for a Progressive Future, which took 18 months to get approval, USA Today reported. Co-founder Jeff Cohen said he didn't mind answering intrusive questions, so long as they were fair.
"From my perspective, if the IRS can hold up legitimate tea-party applications today and get away with it, then who knows if progressive groups will be held up and specially scrutinized in a few years. It's utterly unacceptable, if that's what happened," he said.
IRS records, obtained by The Daily Caller, show Lerner signed papers granting tax-exempt status to the foundation run by Obama's half brother Abongo "Roy" Malik Obama.
She signed off on the organization's tax status in June 2011 -- right in the middle of the 27-month hiatus for tea-party groups -- and granted it retroactive status within a month of filing.
Action for a Progressive Future has faced legal issues over the past few years.
In the month before the foundation was granted tax-exempt status, the National Legal and Policy Center filed a complaint with the IRS, asking why the group was allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not applied for a determination.
That's when Lerner gave it the retroactive exemption back to December 2008.
"The Obama Foundation raised money on its web page by falsely claiming to be tax
deductible. This bogus charity run by Malik had not even applied and yet subsequently got retroactive tax-deductible status," complained Ken Boehm, chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center. He called the attempt to raise money "common law fraud and potentially even federal mail fraud."
The Obama Foundation was set up ostensibly to help poor children in Kenya, where Roy Obama lives.
However, the Caller says, it has not registered in Virginia, where it is said to be based.
Lerner, a registered Democrat, has been slammed for the IRS handling of conservative
Groups, but her colleagues defend her, saying she acts "apolitically."
Larry Noble, FEC general counsel from 1987 to 2000, told The Daily Beast that Lerner "is really one of the more apolitical people I've met."
"That doesn't mean she doesn't have political views, but she really focuses on the job and what the rules are. She doesn't have an agenda."
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/irs-tea-party-liberal/2013/05/15/id/504614?s=al&promo_code=13804-1
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 07:59 AM
Bloomberg News already debunked that claim with a list of left leaning groups being denied.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:01 AM
The only overwhelming evidence so far is the right wing noise, which is always silent when its repubs doing the dirt.
Aren't your ears sore from putting yout thumbs in them while wiggling your fingers chanting "lalallala I can't hear you" over and over?
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:03 AM
Internal Revenue Service agents have been struggling to do their jobs–which have been made essentially impossible by an incorrect interpretation of the law that the IRS made in 1959. It was then that the IRS changed the language of the law without any authority to do so. Here is how the tax law was written in its latest update in 1954 on 501(c)(4) social welfare organizations. The 501(c)(4) designation was to apply only to: “Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare.”
But a 1959 interpretation guideline written by the IRS says that: ”To be operated exclusively to promote social welfare, an organization must operate primarily to further the common good and general welfare…”
The real IRS scandal: Reinterpreting the law | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51900244#.UZT0Y0q9HRI)
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:06 AM
Internal Revenue Service agents have been struggling to do their jobs–which have been made essentially impossible by an incorrect interpretation of the law that the IRS made in 1959. It was then that the IRS changed the language of the law without any authority to do so. Here is how the tax law was written in its latest update in 1954 on 501(c)(4) social welfare organizations. The 501(c)(4) designation was to apply only to: “Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare.”
But a 1959 interpretation guideline written by the IRS says that: ”To be operated exclusively to promote social welfare, an organization must operate primarily to further the common good and general welfare…”
The real IRS scandal: Reinterpreting the law | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51900244#.UZT0Y0q9HRI)
Funny how they weren't applying that to the Left leaning organisations... but only to the Right leaning ones.
Particularly Obamas half brother that ran one illegally for two years... applied and not only got it in 30 days... but they back-dated it to two year priour of there would have been criminal charges...
IT still isn't legally registered as it needs to be with the state of Virginia where it operates from.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:11 AM
Funny how they weren't applying that to the Left leaning organisations......but only to the Right leaning ones.
What have the righties done with that interpretation since 1959?
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 08:14 AM
Left leaning groups WERE denied, and made to pay taxes. The Tparty was not. Their beef was in not being denied but made to wait for the process to work.
talaniman
May 16, 2013, 08:15 AM
What have the righties done with that interpretation since 1959?
Nothing! Do nothing you get nothing!
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:17 AM
What have the righties done with that interpretation since 1959?
Richard Nixon was impeached for far less than what happened here... it was previously linked somewhere... but read article 2 of the impeachment.
If someone deserved to go to jail and be impeached then... THEN obviously people need to go to jail and be impeached now too.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:17 AM
Nothing! Do nothing you get nothing!
From that article I cited --... the tax code must be enforced with the word “exclusively” so that no political organizations would ever be able to get 501(c)(4) status.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:18 AM
Nothing! Do nothing you get nothing!
Nixon got impeached over this... Obama should be too... He's no freakin Messiah even though you might have a temple to him in a spare closet.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:19 AM
Richard Nixon was impeached for far less than what happened here.....it was previously linked somewhere...but read article 2 of the impeachment.
If someone deserved to go to jail and be impeached then....THEN obviously people need to go to jail and be impeached now too.
But Obama didn't orchestrate it -- and it has been done over and over again through the years since 1959.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:20 AM
Nixon got impeached over this
He was impeached over an IRS scandal?
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:24 AM
But Obama didn't orchestrate it -- and it has been done over and over again through the years since 1959.
Got any proof he didn't.
Groups of followers that don't work together don't spontaniously think of doing the same things at the same time without orchestration.
The same rules they apply to Organized crime apply here too... and should have the RICO act applied.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
He was impeached over an IRS scandal?
Reach Article 2... its part of it... top of the article. #1 in fact.
Watergate Articles Of Impeachment (http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment)
Article 2
Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.
This conduct has included one or more of the following:
1.He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.
2.He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.
3.He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.
4.He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavoured to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive, judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as Attorney General of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the offices of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.
5.In disregard of the rule of law, he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, of the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.
In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
Adopted 28-10 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
Left leaning groups WERE denied, and made to pay taxes. The Tparty was not. Their beef was in not being denied but made to wait for the process to work.
Tal, I get it, you're upset that your guy's troubles endanger your agenda, but dude - you're pi$$ing in the wind on this one and have been since I first posted about it. All of your hollering was answered in that one post, so unless you think we're just stupid you may as well give up this line of attack - I can assure you it will go nowhere.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
Got any proof he didn't.
Got any that he did?
And it's been a problem since 1959.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:29 AM
Got any that he did?
And it's been a problem since 1959.
He is responsible for the actions of his subordinates... just like any CEO of any company that's committing crimes. The buck stops at the top.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:29 AM
Reach Article 2....its part of it....top of the article. #1 in fact.
And that's the same situation as now?
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:30 AM
He is responsible for the actions of his subordinates....just like any CEO of any company thats committing crimes.
And like any responsible CEO, he is dealing with it and not sweeping the problem under the rug.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:32 AM
And that's the same situation as now?
The law is the law... Obama is no more above it than Nixon was... and should be held JUST as responsible.
Nixon did far less than Obama has.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:36 AM
The law is the law...Obama is no more above it than Nixon was....and should be held JUST as responsible.
Nixon did far less than Obama has.
Obama IS being responsible. He is firing and repairing. Nixon pulled a blanket over his head.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:46 AM
And like any responsible CEO, he is dealing with it and not sweeping the problem under the rug.
He's been hiding from the truth and lying since he learned to talk... and Benghazi wasn't the first even by far...
Some poor SOB is STILLsitting in Jail over the movie Obama and the left blamed Benghazi for... when everyone but a select few knows had nothing to do with it.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 08:49 AM
He's been hiding from the truth and lieing since he learned to talk....
And when he was born, he orchestrated his birth announcements to be placed in Hawaiian newspapers.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 08:51 AM
He spent two weeks telling lies to the AMerican Public about Benghazi... he even told the same lies in front of the UN General Council...
THe Libyan President even told us right away it was terrorism... and Obamas flunkies told him to shut up, he was full of it.
Yes they did... thats why they wouldn't let the FBI into the country for so long to investigate it.
If a CEO got up and lied like that they would have charges brought up against them.
Remember ENRON and WORLDCOM as just two?
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 09:00 AM
He spent two weeks telling lies to the AMerican Public about Benghazi....he even told the same lies in front of the UN General Council.....
Today's news is that the CIA admits stuffing the reports with lies that were fed to the administration.
speechlesstx
May 16, 2013, 09:02 AM
Today's news is that the CIA admits stuffing the reports with lies that were fed to the administration.
Link please?
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 09:05 AM
Today's news is that the CIA admits stuffing the reports with lies that were fed to the administration.
You need to look past the Administrations doctored version of events... The WHite house KNEW it was terrorism long before those packs of lies were ever settled on.
Hell, most people knew otherwise.
They had live video feeds from the security cameras... THey knew from the beginning it wasn't a protest... and they Knew it at the State Dept. and they knew it without delay Because that's who had the video feeds, not the CIA... but the State Dept..
tomder55
May 16, 2013, 09:48 AM
For what it's worth ;here is my theory
It's not just targeting ;it's delaying approval to a point that many of the orgs were denied their tax status in time for the election cycle. Many were intimidated enough to withdraw their request. The motive of the scrutiny was clearly to influence the 2012 elections after they saw what the impact of the Tea Party groups had in the 2010 cycle.
So this goes well beyond a Chinchilla farmer trying to game the system.This is a form of disenfranchisement .
But I don't think the Emperor directed it .
This is how it played out .They were taking signals from him. I use the King Henry -Thomas Beckett example for this. King Henry muttered 'will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest ?"... and his knights took that signal as a green light to take out Beckett.
The President and the Democrat leadership have demonized the Republican base and the Tea Party for so long now (That guy from the NAACP Julian Bond called the Tea Party the American Taliban this week) that I have no doubt that some boot licking flunkies at IRS took it upon themselves to initiate the policy . Smoothy posted the Emperor's quote from this week . But it hasn't been just this week . It's been his entire Presidency .
Some of the letters asked for copies of the groups' Web pages, blog posts and social media postings — making some tea party members worry they'd be punished for their tweets or Facebook comments by their followers…. And each letter had a stern warning about “penalties of perjury” — which became intimidating for groups that were being asked about future activities, like future donations or endorsements.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-irs-wants-you-to-share-everything-91378.html
tomder55
May 16, 2013, 10:01 AM
Today's news is that the CIA admits stuffing the reports with lies that were fed to the administration.
Yeah I'd like to see the source too ,although with Brennan in control of the CIA now anything is possible. The Obots played this well. They marginalized Petraeus on his way out ;and he is the only one who can speak of the CIA role before ,during ,and after the attack.
smoothy
May 16, 2013, 10:03 AM
Odd it took them all this time to produce the emails... when they should have done it right away
You do know any reasonibly competent IT guy could fudge this stuff up in the time that has elapsed. Right down to the timestamps and IP numbers.
Wondergirl
May 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
yeah I'd like to see the source too
I apologize. I misspoke. There's no "admitting" yet, just email releases.
tomder55
May 16, 2013, 10:22 AM
I've read some of the email releases. The CIA sent the assessments to the White House and the State Dept and NSA redacted them. The biggest omission was the words al-Qaeda from the originals . Also of note is that there is NO mention of a Youtube video or a protest in the CIA emails. That talking point was falsely attributed to the intelligence assessments of the attack. It came from either Rice ,Evita ,Brennan ,or the Emperor .
excon
May 17, 2013, 04:43 AM
Hello again,
The law is the law... Obama is no more above it than Nixon was... and should be held JUST as responsible.
Nixon did far less than Obama has.Nixon TOLD his attorney general to use the IRS to go after his enemy's. That is a FACT. Come up with FACTS that link Obama to the IRS, and I'll call for his impeachment too..
Until then, it IS Limprods fault.
Excon
PS> I AM enjoying your right wing collective orgasm, though.
talaniman
May 17, 2013, 04:59 AM
Me too Ex, I have never seen these guys so happy.
smoothy
May 17, 2013, 05:00 AM
Hello again,
Nixon TOLD his attorney general to use the IRS to go after his enemy's. That is a FACT. Come up with FACTS that link Obama to the IRS, and I'll call for his impeachment too..
Until then, it IS Limprods fault.
excon
PS> I AM enjoying your right wing collective orgasm, though.
Ex... if you where in the Oval office while Obama was giving the orders... you still wouldn't believe it.
So you are admitting and saying Zero is so utterly incompetent... that he has absolutely no idea what his flunkies are doing about anything?
excon
May 17, 2013, 05:09 AM
Hello again, smoothy:
So you are admitting and saying Zero is so utterly incompetent... that he has absolutely no idea what his flunkies are doing about anything?I have ONE employee and I don't know what's she's doing half the time... You think Obama should know what 1,000's and even 1,000's more are doing??
Bwa, ha ha ha..
Excon
smoothy
May 17, 2013, 05:54 AM
Hello again, smoothy:
I have ONE employee and I don't know what's she's doing half the time... You think Obama should know what 1,000's and even 1,000's more are doing...
Bwa, ha ha ha..
excon
With Benjhazi, The IRS stuff and the Phone taps... if he had a clue he would have known.
We aren't talking people taking an extra 5 minutes for lunch.
If your employee was selling Meth and running a booky operation on your dime from your business.. I think you would or at least should have a clue about what they are doing.
tomder55
May 17, 2013, 06:26 AM
Nixon TOLD his attorney general to use the IRS to go after his enemy's.
And that little tidbit was not revealed in the opening days of the scandal. It took many reporters investigating ;an independent prosecutor ,and hauling the WH people before a Special select Committee .
But we are told by the Obots that isn't necessary because the Holder Justice Dept can do the job. Like the fox guarding the chickens.
speechlesstx
May 17, 2013, 06:39 AM
Hello again, smoothy:
I have ONE employee and I don't know what's she's doing half the time... You think Obama should know what 1,000's and even 1,000's more are doing???
Bwa, ha ha ha..
excon
Dude, it was his buddy Axelrod that used the defense of government being too big for him to handle. We've been saying that for years, nice to see he's on board.
speechlesstx
May 17, 2013, 07:24 AM
More good news for America...
First on CNN: Witness Protection Program lost two 'known or suspected terrorists'
By Jake Tapper, CNN Chief Washington Correspondent
The U.S. Marshals Service lost two former participants in the federal Witness Security Program “identified as known or suspected terrorists,” according to the public summary of an interim Justice Department Inspector General’s report obtained by CNN.
The Marshals Service has concluded that “one individual was and the other individual was believed to be residing outside of the United States,” according to the summary.
A Justice Department official said in response to follow up questions about the matter by reporters that the pair had left the program years ago and had been accounted for.
It was not clear when or for how long the Marshals Service lost track of them.
The report notes that while in the middle of an audit of the WITSEC program, also referred to as "WitSec," the IG notified the Justice Department of national security vulnerabilities, and the IG’s office “developed the interim report to help ensure that the Department promptly and sufficiently addressed the deficiencies we found.”
After its audit, the IG’s office reported “the department did not definitively know how many known or suspected terrorists were admitted into the WITSEC program,” among other “significant issues concerning national security.”
Not only that, DoJ failed to update the no-fly list (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=748802).
WASHINGTON (AP) — The government allowed "a small but significant number" of terrorists into America's witness protection program and then failed to provide the names of some of them for a watch list that's used to keep dangerous people off airline flights, the Justice Department's inspector general says.
As a result of the department's failure to share information with the Terrorist Screening Center, some in the witness protection program who were on a government "no-fly" list were allowed to travel on commercial flights, the department's watchdog said.
But hey, at least they're keeping America safe from Tea Party grandmothers.
excon
May 17, 2013, 07:35 AM
Hello again, tom:
It took many reporters investigating ;an independent prosecutor ,and hauling the WH people before a Special select Committee . I'm all for oversight. Let's see where this goes. You've got your prognostication (he's a corrupt crook), and I've got mine.
On the AP front, it looks like a leaker did us some national security damage. Given your anger over Benghazi, and Wikkileaks, I'd think you'd applaud this move... I mean, it IS the lame stream media, and they're IN Obama's pocket, after all. Plus, they did us WRONG - or somebody did. That's what the investigation is about.. Don't you want to know?
Excon
smoothy
May 17, 2013, 07:41 AM
Using that ONE instance as an excuse is lame... even by Obama standards.
talaniman
May 17, 2013, 07:51 AM
It becoming clear from the congressional hearing that nobody not even the congress can interpret the law covering tax exemptions and the flood of application. There is no clarity. At least not from 2010t o 2012.
But we know that despite right wing scandal mongering looking into the POLITICAL activities of applicants of any exemption status requires time and questions and clarity of the law and procedure, and the congress is charged with oversight. Congress dropped the ball. They failed to supply the clarity of the laws and to be honest it goes back decades.
excon
May 17, 2013, 07:52 AM
Hello again, smoothy:
Using that ONE instance as an excuse is lameBenghazi was ONE instance too.
This time one very important asset against Al Quaida was COMPROMISED.. We don't get MANY inside guys, and this guy WAS. Without him, an airliner was going to get BOMBED... He STOPPED it... The AP or it's government snitch COMPROMISED him. He could be killed. His family is in danger. He's OUR guy, just like Ambassador Stevens was.
You're pissed over Benghazi, but screw this guy, right?? Dude!
Excon
smoothy
May 17, 2013, 07:54 AM
Obamas Brothers application got expedited in less than 30 days... but no... thats got nothing to do with the political bias going on... and the level of political retaliation using the IRS Nixon never even dreamed of.
smoothy
May 17, 2013, 07:55 AM
Hello again, smoothy:
Benghazi was ONE instance too.
This time one very important asset against Al Quaida was COMPROMISED.. We don't get MANY inside guys, and this guy WAS. Without him, an airliner was gonna get BOMBED... He STOPPED it... The AP or it's government snitch COMPROMISED him. He could be killed. His family is in danger. He's OUR guy, just like Ambassador Stevens was.
You're pissed over Benghazi, but screw this guy, right???? Dude!!
excon
Obama and Hillary BOTH deserve to go to jail over their inaction and lies over Beghazi...
THen let Michell and Hillary both go down there and sit... WITHOUT any protection what-so-ever... their lives aren't worth any more than the Four who died there were. I bet the libtards would never let that happen because they know how bad they screwed up here.
tomder55
May 17, 2013, 11:25 AM
Hello again, tom:
I'm all for oversight. Let's see where this goes. You've got your prognostication (he's a corrupt crook), and I've got mine.
On the AP front, it looks like a leaker did us some national security damage. Given your anger over Benghazi, and Wikkileaks, I'd think you'd applaud this move... I mean, it IS the lame stream media, and they're IN Obama's pocket, after all. Plus, they did us WRONG - or somebody did. That's what the investigation is about.. Don't you want to know?
Excon
No I have not fallen in the 'he's a crook ' camp. I'm in the 'he set the tone and everyone else took it as marching orders ' camp. Peggy Noonan says it better than I do.
The president, as usual, acts as if all of this is totally unconnected to him. He's shocked, it's unacceptable, he'll get to the bottom of it. He read about it in the papers, just like you.
But he is not unconnected, he is not a bystander. This is his administration. Those are his executive agencies. He runs the IRS and the Justice Department.
A president sets a mood, a tone. He establishes an atmosphere. If he is arrogant, arrogance spreads. If he is too partisan, too disrespecting of political adversaries, that spreads too. Presidents always undo themselves and then blame it on the third guy in the last row in the sleepy agency across town.
This Is No Ordinary Scandal - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323582904578487460479247792.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop)
Kimberley Strassel expands that thought .
Was the White House involved in the IRS's targeting of conservatives? No investigation needed to answer that one. Of course it was.
President Obama and Co. are in full deniability mode, noting that the IRS is an “independent” agency and that they knew nothing about its abuse. The media and Congress are sleuthing for some hint that Mr. Obama picked up the phone and sicced the tax dogs on his enemies.
But that's not how things work in post-Watergate Washington. Mr. Obama didn't need to pick up the phone. All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he'd like to see harassed; and publicly have his party pressure the IRS to take action.
Mr. Obama now professes shock and outrage that bureaucrats at the IRS did exactly what the president of the United States said was the right and honorable thing to do. “He put a target on our backs, and he's now going to blame the people who are shooting at us?” asks Idaho businessman and longtime Republican donor Frank VanderSloot.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324767004578487332636180800.html?m od=googlenews_wsj
And with the AP tapping revealed ,we know that the Emperor has no friends that he trusts . What is the world to think about a President who lies to and throws his enemies and friends alike under the bus ? How do you deal with a man who changes red lines and makes long time allies wait on him in the White House while he is eating dinner ? If he could throw his whole contingent at Benghazi under the bus and not assist them in their time of need then how can he be trusted on anything ?
Now to answer your question about the AP story . What was so important about the classified information being leaked that the Emperor felt compelled to risk his relationship with the MSM? To provoke that sort of reaction, the leaker must be a fairly high level traitor leaking really sensitive stuff.
Keep in mind, the Bush administration's objective of taking down the Iranian nuclear weapons program was derailed when people within the national intelligence community constructed a bogus National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) and leaked it to the MSM. Did someone in the Obama administration see a repeat of the same sort of stunt and respond preemptively? What we may be seeing is a shadow war between people in the national intelligence community and the Obama administration.
speechlesstx
May 17, 2013, 11:37 AM
According to WaPo the AP waited until the security concerns had passed (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3465293-post28.html). Seems pretty clear to me the WH did not want the scoop to contradict their message or steal their thunder.
tomder55
May 17, 2013, 01:50 PM
Ahhh I see . It wasn't about a national security imperative ,or protecting a source. It was that the Obots wanted to control the message... as if AP is a state owned subsidiary .
speechlesstx
May 17, 2013, 02:05 PM
And when they didn't toe the line they got the jackboot.
speechlesstx
May 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
I almost forgot this bit of good news today... in addition to the IRS thugs, losing "known or suspected terrorists" and failing to update the no-fly list so they can fly around with us, the idiots in the White House admission (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57584921/officials-on-benghazi-we-made-mistakes-but-without-malice/?tag=socsh) and snooping on the media for not bowing to the will of the administration, when Obama released all those harmless illegals because of the sequester, they unleashed over 200 "serious criminals" on us (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/19/Feds-admit-200-serious-criminals-released).
In one week this administration has confirmed most of our worst fears.