Hello:

Yup. We DID it (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/opinion/indisputable-torture-of-prisoners.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130417). That's not ME saying it. I'm a lefty. I ALWAYS knew it... Nope, it's Asa Hutchinson, right winger extraordinaire. He was the Drug Czar for Bush, and he's the number #2 spokesperson for the NRA. He's a winger all right... He concluded
that the United States engaged in the practice of torture is impossible to dismiss by a public that needs to know what was committed in the nation's name. The report continues,
it damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.

The REASON why we need to acknowledge that we DID it, is so that we DON'T do it again.

Excon

Bwaaaahahahha... so freaking what... never mind the fact that report has already been completely discredited.

What discredited the USA in the world.. is that babbling idiot we have in the White house NOW... the Kenyan Muslim.

Hello again, smoothy:

The report is just coming out today.. It hasn't had time to be denounced.

Here's the Board of Directors of the "discredited" report. They DO look like a bunch of fly by nighters:

Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar
Stanford Law School
Mariano-Florentino (Tino) Cuéllar is the Stanley Morrison Professor at Stanford Law School, and co-Director of Stanford's interdisciplinary..

Armando Gomez
Skadden Arps
Armando Gomez is a partner at Skadden Arps, where he concentrates his practice on a broad range of tax matters, advising clients on the...

Phoebe A. Haddon
Francis King Carey School of Law, The University of Maryland
Phoebe A. Haddon was appointed dean of the University of Maryland's Francis King Carey School of Law, the nation's third-oldest law...

Asa Hutchinson
Asa Hutchinson Law Group PLC
Asa Hutchinson is a senior partner in the Asa Hutchinson Law Group, specializing in in the areas of white collar criminal defense, complex...

Kristine Huskey
Georgetown University Law Center
Kristine Huskey is the former Director of the Anti-Torture Program at Physicians for Human Rights, where she led the organization's advocacy...

David A. Keene
The American Conservative Union
David A. Keene is the former long-time chair of the American Conservative Union. He has been involved in public policy and politics for...

Timothy K. Lewis
Schnader Harrison Segal & Lewis LLP
Timothy K. Lewis is the co-chair of the appellate practice at Schnader, Harrison, Segal & Lewis LLP. Prior to joining the firm, Lewis...

Lawrence D. Rosenberg
Jones Day
Lawrence (Larry) D. Rosenberg is a partner at Jones Day, where he is involved with constitutional, international and statutory litigation,.

William S. Sessions
Holland & Knight LLP
William S. Sessions served three presidents as the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, earning a reputation for helping to...

Bradley D. Simon
Simon & Partners, LLP
Bradley D. Simon is the founding partner of Simon & Partners, LLP, where he represents both corporations and individuals in the areas...

excon

Well Ex you did it and no doubt you will do it again

Personally I thought we lost our moral standing when our children became disposable.

Personally I thought we lost our moral standing when our children became disposable.

I can agree with that speech

Hello Steve:

Then you agree that we HAVE lost our moral standing since we abort AND torture...

We can discuss the morals about either one, as long the facts are right.

excon

Hello again, clete:


Well Ex you did it and no doubt you will do it againI wanted a war crimes trial.. THAT would have stopped it. But, Obama said no. Maybe he wants to torture too.

In any case, hopefully this report will do it...

But, nahhhhh... Without a big warcrime trial, nothing is going to change.. My country is a TORTURER, and I'd better get used to it...

Somehow, that takes the luster off my beloved country...

Excon

Situation ethics is never an answer

Hello Steve:

Then you agree that we HAVE lost our moral standing since we abort AND torture...

We can discuss the morals about either one, as long the facts are right.

excon

I'm not for either one.

Obama Tortures Americans every day...

I wonder what the commission would say about force feeding hunger strikers ? Good thing we got Emperor Zero and his take no prisoners policy . That way he can sleep well at night without disturbing his sense of moral superiority . When KSM was water boarded he was not asked a single question that we did not already know the answer to. Sometimes he lied, sometimes he told the truth, eventually a pattern emerged. There was just one individual that he consistently lied about. Guess who that turned out to be? OBL's courier.A puzzle solved that led us directly to OBL's lair.

Here are some pictures of torture .
http://www.neponline.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/FALLING.jpg

http://tmq2.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-bombing.jpg?w=500&h=375

No Tom those are pictures of terrorism, but I get your point. You are saying any price is worth avoiding these events

no Tom those are pictures of terrorism, but I get your point. You are saying any price is worth avoiding these events

That first picture was torture... I don't know if you recognise what it was.. but it was someone jumping to their death from the World trade Center before they burned to death alive...

Imagine having to chose the means of your own death... Knowing there was no way out alive.

There were hundreds if not thousands that didn't die in the collapse... or the fires that preceded it... or even the impact of the planes... they were literally blown out the windows , on the opposite side of the Towers... while still alive to die when they hit the ground. You didn't see that on the sanitized news videos... but I know people that were there that saw it from the windows of nearby buildings.

And that why I'd like to see every Muslim in the world that publicly or privately cheered in that moment to die an even more horrible death.

And yes I do actually mean that, every word of it. Because the worthless troglodytes failed to Kill me in the Pentagon that morning but they did get several people I was working with. No matter what we do to that kind of humanoid scum... it can't be called torture.. because they are only getting what they deserve.

smoothy I fully understand why you feel the way you do and I also harbour strong views regarding muslim jihadists and supporters and they are not confined to those who cheered but the person falling from the tower is a victim of terrorism.

Torture is a more systematic process which might employ terror tactics but it has a different purpose usually to elicit information or change in allegiences and is directed at a specific individual. I honestly don't know at what point interrogation crosses the threshold and becomes torture but I do know that the threshold for terrorism is crossed when fear is injected into the situation

I expect we will come to know whether Boston was an act of state sponsored terrorism or al qaeda was involved or it was an act of madness