I think if the Republicans can convince the NM governor Susana Martinez to run, the GOP might have a chance in 2016. She is pretty and smart and clever and has an interesting ancestor and knows law enforcement and is in tune with immigration and is politically experienced and has been on both sides of the aisle and is a Latina and has thought out her very reasonable and acceptable positions according to the Wikipedia article about her (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez).

Now, if the aged male Republicans can give way to the younger ones under 50 and also accept that there are benefits to the Internet and electronics and social media in campaigning and be energetic to put boots on the ground and find banner-wavers in thousands of neighborhoods across the U.S. like Obama's team has done, their chances improve even more.

I agree with you completely. However, this gov has a LOT of exposure to get, because I watch the National News every night, and watch Fox News Channel every morning for awhile, and I have never heard of her! I am sorry to say that, but it's the truth.
The GOP, of which I am one, had better shape up, stop bowing down to Obama, and his Democrat friends, or there will be another Dem in 2016 winninng that election. If that happens, goodby America. We now owe more than ever can be paid, and have 47 million Americans on foodstamps. What more could Obama want? He wants all to be dependent on the Fed Gov't, and he is getting his way.

Instead of muttering over what they consider all of Obama's sins and shortcomings and failures, why not get proactive and actually DO something to improve their own lot and chances for the future? The Republicans sound like a bunch of naggy and discontented fishwives! Get off your butt, you guys! And now is the time to start working toward what you consider a better future. Lots can be done now -- boots on the ground in towns and cities to educate and inform and tutor and support and retrain and help people rethink about what is important and help them recapture the societal values Repubs think have been lost.

And if Hillary runs in 2016, Susana would be the perfect counterpoint!

I have followed her for years .She's but one of the very deep bench of potential GOP hopefuls. As long as morons like Karl Rove don't try to be king makers ;and the grass roots select the nominee ,I think the GOP has a solid chance.

But let's not put the cart before the horse (or if I was continuing puns from another OP "let's not put the ala-carte before the horse ) . There are state elections to contend this year ;and the mid-term elections next.

I know you live in hope, Tom, and it seems the women are becoming the hope of the side, It might be interesting to see an all girl battle, the dynamics might change a little or maybe the claws would be out

I consider Martinez one of the top 3 or 4 potential candidates. But it is way too early to speculate . Heck if the determining factor was female ,then we would also do well with Kelly Ayotte,Nikki Haley ,Condi Rice .If it's minorities we have Bobby Jindal ,and Marco Rubio .

My favorite is still Mitch Daniels .
If clowns like Rove screw things up we might have Jeb Bush ,or Chris Christie. I completely agree that a grass roots effort is needed .

But it is way too early to speculate.
It may be too early to speculate on candidates, but the Republicans had better get their act together very soon and move ahead with full steam, or they will lose again in 2016.

It may be too early to speculate on candidates, but the Republicans had better get their act together very soon and move ahead with full steam, or they will lose again in 2016.

Oh dear four years of electioneering and nothing done

I will remind everyone that Obama was not considered a serious candidate until 2008 .Evita was the crowned Princess in waiting .

Oh goody, another election, so we can watch the right recite the same "values" mantra and eat each other as they run to the right, and don't dare try to sneak back to the center. Younger faces, same campaign. Same principle of uncompromise, but with each other.

Same results.

I have no current plans to speculate on 2016 until about 2015.

I have no current plans to speculate on 2016 until about 2015.
If the rest of the Republicans wait that long too, they will already have lost the race.

Let them sweat the details. I'm sure potential candidates are already getting a lay of the land ;and putting their campaign boots on the ground. But 3 years is more than a lifetime in politics.

If the rest of the Republicans wait that long too, they will already have lost the race.

You know as well as I do the race has already begun, but refraining from speculating doesn't necessarily equal passivity.

You know as well as I do the race has already begun, but refraining from speculating doesn't necessarily equal passivity.
So where is the Republicans' ground game happening or their Internet/social media connections getting connected? All the mailings and calls I am getting are the same old-same old.

GOP.com: Growth and Opportunity Project (http://growthopp.gop.com/default.aspx)

So where is the Republicans' ground game happening or their Internet/social media connections getting connected? All the mailings and calls I am getting are the same old-same old.

In my case they're nowhere. This is solid red state country so they don't waste many resources trying to win us over.

Like you did last election?

Why would they spend money in an area they're a lock?

The other 49 don't matter? Gives new meaning to the term "Lone Star state."

The other 49 don't matter? Gives new meaning to the term "Lone Star state."

Good Lord, you're impossible. When you buy groceries do you replace everything or just focus on what you need?

Good Lord, you're impossible. When you buy groceries do you replace everything or just focus on what you need?
The Republicans will need more than Texas, and Texas can lead the way.

Smh...

Report: Rubio PAC raises $100,000 from sale of water bottles - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283649-report-rubio-pac-raises-100000-from-sale-of-water-bottles)

Texas is the state with strong religious concerns about family and abortion and contraception, and probably has something to say about immigration and gun control. Texas used to be a leader, so why not now, heading into the 2014 and 2016 elections?

Texas is the state with strong religious concerns about family and abortion and contraception, and probably has something to say about immigration and gun control. Texas used to be a leader, so why not now, heading into the 2014 and 2016 elections?

Still smh...

Still smh...
Repubs will lose again. *sigh*

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The GOP is doing a lot behind the scenes and on the ground, I was just making a point that the reason some don't see much activity is they aren't battleground territories. Chicago wasn't going to vote Romney, so why waste resources there. The Texas Panhandle wasn't going to vote Obama, so why waste resources there? About the only presidential ads I saw last year were on the news or online, no one spent money where I live it was safe GOP territory.

The best thing the GOP could do would be to end the practice of open primaries. All we get is marshmallow RHINO's with that process. Close the primaries to all but registered Republicans .

Chicago wasn't going to vote Romney
Lots of Latinos here and legal/illegal immigrants and women and students and new voters -- no interest in changing hearts and minds?

Lots of Latinos here and legal/illegal immigrants and women and students and new voters -- no interest in changing hearts and minds?

Still smh...

Lots of Latinos here and legal/illegal immigrants and women and students and new voters -- no interest in changing hearts and minds?

So you think we should all take Dem positions? Changing hearts and minds means convincing them that voting for positions we believe in is in their best interests. Hard to argue though against the Dem position of "freebees " .

so you think we should all take Dem positions? Changing hearts and minds means convincing them that voting for positions we believe in is in their best interests. Hard to argue though against the Dem position of "freebees " .
No. I'm talking about what the Republicans used to be all about -- family values and God/mom/apple pie and education improvements that actually work without spending gobs of money and team spirit building a nation together. Want more?

The 2014 House and Senate campaigns already started. The Dems are already out of the starting blocks with a strategy and ground game set. The GOP is running scared (with some exceptions) with no strategy in sight and no plan to thwart voter fraud (Obama's rhetoric masking the cheating done by the Dems ) .

They cannot expect a 2010 turnout again. Back in 2009-2010 the Tea Party and other conservative groups were on the streets in rallies and protests. They mustered one million people in rallies in Washington in August 2010. These shows of real hard working Americans made the difference in 2010 mid terms. Where did they all go in 2012? Where are they now? They were no shows at the polls because the Repubics fielded a candidate the base couldn't support.
I'm pretty sure the GOP is toast as a party ;going the way of the Whigs.

The 2014 House and Senate campaigns already started. The Dems are already out of the starting blocks with a strategy and ground game set. The GOP is running scared (with some exceptions) with no strategy in sight and no plan to thwart voter fraud (Obama's rhetoric masking the cheating done by the Dems )

I expect no objections to those voter ID laws that were so 'hastily' put in place last year, right?

I expect no objections to those voter ID laws that were so 'hastily' put in place last year, right?
I was thinking more along the lines of building and encouraging two-parent families that sit down to at least one meal a day and actually talk with each other, play with each other, even pray with each other. I was also thinking of working with schools to help with early education and reading and learning the basics and generally one-on-one tutoring with not only peers but also caring adults. Like, you know, reestablishing Republican values in our society instead of ranting helplessly about the evil other political party. Be proactive!

Good luck with that, I said children were better off with a mom and a dad and that was considered hate speech (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/gun-control-past-debates-724058-69.html#post3387757).

Good luck with that, I said children were better off with a mom and a dad and that was considered hate speech (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/gun-control-past-debates-724058-69.html#post3387757).

And what happens when that's not possible?

And what happens when thats not possible?

Asking the wrong question, I'm not going down that road to strawmanville. The right question is why doesn't the left promote what is proven to work?

Obama paid lip service to that last week in Chi-town
Video: Barack Obama: 'I wish I'd had a father who was around' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9874679/Barack-Obama-I-wish-Id-had-a-father-who-was-around.html)
Guess that was hate speech too .

It was a rare moment when a lib spoke candidly of the consequences of their poliices.

The right question is why doesn't the left promote what is proven to work?
No. The right question is why doesn't the right get off its behind and promote some useful ideas instead of constantly moaning about what they consider bad ones being pushed by the left?

Asking the wrong question, I'm not going down that road to strawmanville. The right question is why doesn't the left promote what is proven to work?

Divorce is a strawman argument? More like reality since half the marriages in America end in divorce. And that's not accounting for the relationships that end in kids,but no relationship.

So tell me other than controlling people and making them stay together, what do we do with them? Why doesn't the right recognize that reality has to be dealt with, and not swept under the rug while you doggedly stick to your solutions that may have good intentions but is not the ultimate solution.

Obama paid lip service to that last week in Chi-town
Video: Barack Obama: 'I wish I'd had a father who was around' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9874679/Barack-Obama-I-wish-Id-had-a-father-who-was-around.html)
Guess that was hate speech too .

It was a rare moment when a lib spoke candidly of the consequences of their poliices.

Maybe in your own right wing world but he wasn't lamenting policy, he was lamenting the truth of his own existence. I guess you hear what you want.

No. The right question is why doesn't the right get off its behind and promote some useful ideas instead of constantly moaning about what they consider bad ones being pushed by the left?

You act as if the right has abandoned its dedication to the very things you said you wanted to promote. It has done no such thing but is marginalized and mocked for "clinging to old-fashioned values" and "living in the past" blah, blah, blah. Your fight over the proposed solutions you suggest today is with the left for undermining those values. You should point your "family values and God/mom/apple pie and education improvements that actually work" argument at them, we still believe in that but that message is not going to get through the liberal media and academic echo chambers.

Divorce is a strawman argument? More like reality since half the marriages in America end in divorce. And thats not accounting for the relationships that end in kids,but no relationship

So tell me other than controlling people and making them stay together, what do we do with them? Why doesn't the right recognize that reality has to be dealt with, and not swept under the rug while you doggedly stick to your solutions that may have good intentions but is not the ultimate solution..

I love it when you validate my point, and right on cue.

So we agree your good intenions aren't enough to produce good results? That's a good start.

that message is not going to get through the liberal media and academic echo chambers.
And so you are going to crawl into a corner wimpering?

Want me to list the family and personal values that the right espouses that are very important and would even be acknowledged by the left as good?

So we agree your good intenions aren't enough to produce good results? Thats a good start.

Not at all, you haven't gotten past the straw man that we don't understand reality.

And so you are going to crawl into a corner wimpering?

When respond in a relevant manner we can talk.

When respond in a relevant manner we can talk.
So far, all I've heard is wimpering and accusations, but no plans to solidify and spread conservative ideas and values.

Sounds like the right side is divided against itself

And so you are going to crawl into a corner wimpering?

Want me to list the family and personal values that the right espouses that are very important and would even be acknowledged by the left as good?

Go for it. Its got to be better than the hollering and dismissing everything as a strawman argument.

add to the list the polices of the left that undermine the values they claim to support .

Add them yourself.

Hello:


Changing hearts and minds means convincing them that voting for positions we believe in is in their best interests.
The right question is why doesn't the left promote what is proven to work?I've been reading..

In MY view, before we talk about a GOP Hispanic female running for president, we should have the discussion about immigration reform.. The right wing, of the right wing party isn't going to go for ANY law that leaves ANY illegal immigrant IN this country. I think that'll put the kibosh on immigration reform and ANY hopes the GOP has for national office.

You talk about "what's proven to work", and "positions that are IN their best interests", yet STAYING in this country is in their interest FIRST and FOREMOST..

On other threads, the MOST I've gotten from you, is the concession from tom that once the right wing demands have been met, he's ready to NEGOTIATE whether they can stay or not... THAT position will NOT get a right winger elected, and I think his views represent what your ordinary right winger thinks... And, they're NOT about to accept 11 million new Democrats..

Therefore, the candidacy of Susan Martinez is DEAD in the water BEFORE it ever gets underway.

Excon

Ex what you are really saying is the GOP is outnumbered and their support base will decline

Hard to compete against freebees

Hello again, clete:

I'm saying they're faced with changing a long held position, or giving up national office and becoming a regional party..

I DO agree with tom's original sentiments, however. The Mexican interlopers are conservative in their lives, their religion and their politics... They're NATURAL born Republicans.. But, once they realized that the right wing just wants to THROW THEM OUT, all that other stuff doesn't matter.

excon

Hello again, tom:


hard to compete against freebeesCouple things. It's not true, and it's a losing position.

You know, the right wing can't remember what went on BEFORE Obama came on the scene... Now, you're going to forget what happened during our last election...

As a lefty, I'm THRILLED with it.

Excon

Oh I remember.. The Dems have always been better at promising freebees than the Repubics.

Hello again, tom:

How do you not know that the 47% comment ENDED Romney's bid for president??

excon

What killed Romney was the conservatives that sat the last election out . What killed Romney was comments like " Obama is a nice guy ..just wrong" . When Romney did not effectively answer the left's smears and lies early in the campaign ,and allowed them to label him as a criminal who won't pay taxes and kills people when he closes down their place of business.. etc . ;that sealed his fate.

Hello again, tom:

Okee doakee, then.. Keep on saying the mooch thing, and see how far that gets you.

excon

You aren't competing against freebies Tom, you are competing against fair. As long as you see a little help in hard times as a freebie, you will always lose because NOT acknowledging what the rich guys have already done to ordinary citizens through a recession that stole from them and changed the whole nation for the worst, makes enemies, not friends.

I mean Romney was on TV hollering my taxes are to high while paying less than the ordinary worker, and sending American jobs to China. And you blame freebies for your loss?

Hello, Earth to Dumbkoff, that's no way for robbers to treat their marks, because if you were sincere, you would give their money back. That's not a freebie either before you get started down that idea.

Freebies and the lies like Romney sending jobs to China ,or doesn't pay taxes..

Hello again, clete:

I'm saying they're faced with changing a long held position, or giving up national office and becoming a regional party..

I DO agree with tom's original sentiments, however. The Mexican interlopers are conservative in their lives, their religion and their politics... They're NATURAL born Republicans.. But, once they realized that the right wing just wants to THROW THEM OUT, all that other stuff doesn't matter.

excon
Good morning, excon:

This is the best post in this thread and why I suggested Republicans get a ground game going NOW--swarm as volunteers all over the schools and libraries and Y's and churches to promote two-parent families and education and literacy/ESL and team sports and family value stuff and girls' self-esteem so they don't have babies starting at 13. If they did that, Susana or even thirsty Marco might just have a shot in 2016.

Most sincerely,
WG

Name one freebie?

Good morning, excon:

This is the best post in this thread and why I suggested Republicans get a ground game going NOW--swarm as volunteers all over the schools and libraries and Y's and churches to promote two-parent families and education and literacy/ESL and team sports and family value stuff and girls' self-esteem so they don't have babies starting at 13. If they did that, Susana or even thirsty Marco might just have a shot in 2016.

Most sincerely,
WG

The right wing doesn't know how to talk to anyone but themselves. Everybody else they holler at, and denigrate, and dismiss. That's the only principle they project.

So far, all I've heard is wimpering and accusations, but no plans to solidify and spread conservative ideas and values.

I don't whimper, so you're still not relevant.

Good morning, excon:

This is the best post in this thread and why I suggested Republicans get a ground game going NOW--swarm as volunteers all over the schools and libraries and Y's and churches to promote two-parent families and education and literacy/ESL and team sports and family value stuff and girls' self-esteem so they don't have babies starting at 13. If they did that, Susana or even thirsty Marco might just have a shot in 2016.

Most sincerely,
WG

LOL, the straw man that we just want to throw Mexicans out is the best post in the thread? You do realize Texas, with all our Republicans in office, LOVE our Hispanic people. We just elected one Senator but obviously he's not authentically Hispanic.

Repubs may have lost ground with Hispanics but it's less us moving from them as it was you lying about us and fear mongering, your post is an excellent example. Geez you guys are pathetic.

I don't whimper, so you're still not relevant.

Thanks for wasting no time proving my point.

Name one freebie?

I'll name a couple... he diluted welfare to work requirements through executive orders, and requirements for food stamps. Adults among the 47,000,000 food stamp recipients clearly recognized for whom they should vote.

269,000 free phones were given away under his watch . Oh yeah ,he's mandating the distribution of free contraception in Obamacare .

I don't know why you deny it.. The President made the slide show 'the life of Julia' detailing her dependency on the Obama nanny state from cradle to grave . That was a central theme of his campaign.

You are right in that I don't know how to talk to others when they engage in non-reality based arguments, manufactured false premises deserve to be dismissed.

QUOTE by tomder,
I'll name a couple... he diluted welfare to work requirements through executive orders, and requirements for food stamps. Adults among the 47,000,000 food stamp recipients clearly recognized for whom they should vote.

He was asked by TWO REPUBLICAN govenors to waiver the rules for work requirements in there states by 6 months so those governors could implement a program that prepared recipients to go to work and set up child care, transportation to work for them. He said go for it!

NYT's Trip Gabriel Rides to Defense of Obama on Relaxing Welfare Rules, Calls Conservative Charges 'a Stretch' | NewsBusters (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2012/08/09/nyts-trip-gabriel-rides-defense-obama-relaxing-welfare-rules-calls-cons)


Of five states that initially requested or considered waivers, two have Republican governors, Utah and Nevada, the administration said.

Gabriel stuck to the White House playbook, jabbing at the "hypocrisy" line.

But Mr. Romney was also one of 29 Republican governors who urged the federal government in 2005 to allow waivers granting more flexibility for their state welfare programs.


In fact, the legislation promoted in the letter – the Personal Responsibility and Individual Development for Everyone (PRIDE) Act – actually would have toughened the federal work standards. It proposed raising the mandatory participation rates imposed on states from 50 percent to 70 percent of the adult TANF caseload and increasing the hours of required work activity.

Read more: NYT's Trip Gabriel Rides to Defense of Obama on Relaxing Welfare Rules, Calls Conservative Charges 'a Stretch' | NewsBusters (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2012/08/09/nyts-trip-gabriel-rides-defense-obama-relaxing-welfare-rules-calls-cons#ixzz2LMVpTpd5)

You were for it before you were against it?


269,000 free phones were given away under his watch . Oh yeah ,he's mandating the distribution of free contraception in Obamacare

Lifeline Program for Low-Income Consumers | FCC.gov (http://www.fcc.gov/lifeline)

Contraceptives aren't free, premiums help pay for them. There is no co pay is the more accurate statement. They still require a doctors visit, and legal perscription.


I don't know why you deny it.. The President made the slide show 'the life of Julia' detailing her dependency on the Obama nanny state from cradle to grave . That was a central theme of his campaign.

Help for the working poor is NOT free stuff. Especially after/during a hard recession. Why do you deny the recession hit them harder than it did the "job creators".

Repubs may have lost ground with Hispanics but it's less us moving from them as it was you lying about us and fear mongering, your post is an excellent example. Geez you guys are pathetic.
If Republicans do what I suggest, all the lies in the world won't make a difference.

We didn't lie about you, didn't have to. They just have to play what you say and people will run away.

Blame our lies and free stuff all you want, still doesn't repair your credibility.

I really don't care who requested it . Emperor Zero did the waivers. The House passed a bill to block the move by Zero and it passed a 250-164(the do nothing Reid Senate did not take up the bill) .Anyway you cut it ;Zero unlawfully reversed a law passed by Congress ;without any consultation with Congress ;using executive order . "
All hail Obama!!

As far as the phones go ,I am well aware that the program began under Clintoon. I did not say Obama freebies ;I said liberal freebies . You can't say that the President did not use it as a campaign tool and is still doing so today .

The Obama Phone | Free Government Cell Phone Program (http://obamaphone.net/)
http://obamaphone.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-phone-home-img.jpg

And what are the Republicans doing to cause the populace to embrace that party line? Ranting about Obama won't get them there.

It's a scam site.

Obamaphones.net is an independently owned and operated website and is in no way affiliated with the United States government, the United States President, any of the departments within the Federal Government, or any of the state or local jurisdictions located within the United States.


The term “Obama Phone” has been tossed around in the media and through social networks for many years now, but in reality there is no such thing as an “Obama phone.”

While it is true that the United States government does provide discounted or free telecommunication services to eligible low income and disadvantaged families, calling it an Obama phone is not true, as Obama had no part in initiating this program.

Contraceptives aren't free, premiums help pay for them. There is no co pay is the more accurate statement. They still require a doctors visit, and legal perscription.

Yeah I argued from the start that nothing is 'free' . But that is how it was promoted by the Dems.

It's a scam site.

The Obots promotion of the program has led to huge increases in participation. Many more than should be eligible .

No out of pocket expenses, free. Take your pick. Both are true. Men need not apply. Must have insurance for free stuff, or no out of pocket expenses.

No out of pocket expenses, free. Take your pick. Both are true. Men need not apply. Must have insurance for free stuff, or no out of pocket expenses.

More accurately, paid for by others.

More accurately, paid for by others.
Like my husband's bypass surgery?

More accurately, paid for by others.

That's the whole point of insurance

You guys act as if insurers just fork over money for whatever reason as if no one is paying the premium and they don't pass those costs on to the policyholder and pretend the policyholder isn't actually paying for those free/no copay contraceptives. Strange world you live in.

You guys act as if insurers just fork over money for whatever reason as if no one is paying the premium and they don't pass those costs on to the policyholder and pretend the policyholder isn't actually paying for those free/no copay contraceptives. Strange world you live in.
I'm one of those policyholders paying premiums and thus paying for others' surgeries and contraceptives..

I'm one of those policyholders paying premiums and thus paying for others' surgeries and contraceptives..

Not the same thing, deary, but nice try.

Not the same thing, deary, but nice try.
How is it different?

Some people just don't get it, insurance is truly each according to his need, each according to his ability, that's the whole basis of it, you pay small part now so that that when you have abig need it is covered. You can't say I not entitled and you are

some people just don't get it, insurance is truely each according to his need, each according to his ability, that's the whole basis of it, you pay small part now so that that when you have abig need it is covered. You can't say I not entitled and you are

I don't care what you pay for on your policy, just don't make me pay for things I find offensive on mine.

I don't care what you pay for on your policy, just don't make me pay for things I find offensive on mine.
Same here. I don't want to pay for your bypass.

But you don't since you select the level of cover you want, but the government has the right and responsibility to address certain public health concerns and mandate coverage of those.

You can't have youth opting out of paying for things that they are going to need later and maybe you are going to need that bypass yourself

If you are in the same insurance carrier group, you pay for everyone's coverages no matter what it is. Premiums and copays can vary with other factors, but payments are from the same pot.

Same here. I don't want to pay for your bypass.

Doesn't work that way.

Yes it does if you are with the same insurance. What you think just YOUR premiums pay for YOUR needs only?

But you don't since you select the level of cover you want, but the government has the right and responsibility to address certain public health concerns and mandate coverage of those.

They doesn't have the right to nanny us or force us to violate our religious beliefs by forcing us to pay for objectionable services such as contraception or abortion. Period. Government needs to butt out.


You can't have youth opting out of paying for things that they are going to need later and maybe you are going to need that bypass yourself

Yet another unintended consequence of Obamacare is a lot of small businesses are leaning toward self-insuring. There goes the risk pool again...

Yes it does if you are with the same insurance. What you think just YOUR premiums pay for YOUR needs only?

That's a mighty big if and still misses the point. I should not be forced by the government to pay for covered services that violate my conscience. Period. Next you'll be expecting Jehovah's Witnesses to pay for blood transfusions.

That's a mighty big if and still misses the point. I should not be forced by the government to pay for covered services that violate my conscience. Period. Next you'll be expecting Jehovah's Witnesses to pay for blood transfusions.
If they have the same company covering them as I do for me, they paid for my transfusions back in 2009.

If they have the same company covering them as I do for me, they paid for my transfusions back in 2009.

SMH again...

I think the Republicans have become too extreme to win a national election. If they want to have a chance again, they will have to make some changes to their positions and stop letting tea party types win nominations instead of reasonable candidates. They've lost at least four winnable senate seats in last few elections because of this. I think they will have to become more willing to compromise on immigration, raising taxes, shut up about abortion, birth control, rape, gay marriage.

You want them to compromise their views and their base to get elected, what is the use of that? May as well keep the compromise you have represented by the Democrats. The idea of politics is that you have opposing views not the same view. If you want parties with the same view you may as well have communism. The electorate has swung one way because of extremism and it will swing back. Nothing lasts for ever

Hello again,

Remember when I said that the Republicans will NEVER pass an immigration bill?? Looky here: (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-jeered-at-town-hall-after-opposing-mass?ref=fpa)

excon

You want them to compromise their views and their base to get elected, what is the use of that? may as well keep the compromise you have represented by the Democrats. The idea of politics is that you have opposing views not the same view. If you want parties with the same view you may as well have communism. the electorate has swung one way because of extremism and it will swing back. Nothing lasts for ever

Thanks , someone gets it .

Hello again,

Remember when I said that the Republicans will NEVER pass an immigration bill??? Looky here: (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-jeered-at-town-hall-after-opposing-mass?ref=fpa)

excon

Imagine that... people living on the border and dealing with most of the negative effects of illegal immigration have different view than country club libs living in gated communities ;hiring illegals to do the laundry ,the lawn mowing ,and the parenting for them.

Hello again, tom:

I did NOT know that you guys thought John McCain was a country club lib... You learn something on this site every day.

excon

Hello again, tom:

I did NOT know that you guys thought John McCain was a country club lib... You learn something on this site every day.

excon

He has always aligned himself with the Rockefeller,Country Club ,inside the beltway Repubics.

Hello again, tom:

Come on, tom.. I KNOW you're flummoxed. I would be too, if say, MY party told me that Medicare recipients were MOOCHERS... Look. You're one of the guys who's yelling at McCain.. I got that... But, Rubio is out there too. Is HE a country club lib?

Really... You guys ARE at war with each other... Let me know when the smoke clears... We're either going to have the old Republican party back, or... I don't know what will happen if the Tea Party takes over...

excon

I think the Republicans have become too extreme to win a national election. If they want to have a chance again, they will have to make some changes to their positions and stop letting tea party types win nominations instead of reasonable candidates. They've lost at least four winnable senate seats in last few elections because of this. I think they will have to become more willing to compromise on immigration, raising taxes, shut up about abortion, birth control, rape, gay marriage.

They've blown some chances for sure but this 'extremist' line is concocted nonsense.

imagine that ... people living on the border and dealing with most of the negative effects of illegal immigration have different view than country club libs living in gated communities ;hiring illegals to do the laundry ,the lawn mowing ,and the parenting for them.

Lets be clear those are older conservative republicans believing a gun is the only answer to the immigration problem. Their attitude is no surprise. They have been hollering for years despite the fence and the laws they have written. Its also a place where buying guns in bulk by 18 year olds and reselling them to whoever is a misdemeanor less than jaywalking.

Hello again, tal:

If you'd been told by your governor that HEADLESS Americans were scattered all around the desert, you'd think a gun was the only answer too..

Immigration reform will NOT make it by these people.

excon

Unless the Maverick changes his mind and withdraws his support... AGAIN. And Rubio, not Obama's name is on he bill. McCain doesn't care what those town hallers are squawking about. It's the house that will kabosh everything as usual. The local yokels control them completely.

The local yokels control them completely.

Um, isn't that how it was intended?

Speaking of 2016, this guy knows how to turn an awkward moment into a win (https://twitter.com/jacktink/status/304271598582628353)...

Hello again, Steve:


Um, isn't that how it was intended?It IS. But, why don't you speak frank with us??

The PURPOSE of the right wing flip flop is to GAIN the Hispanic vote.. Nobody is pretending that you've actually CHANGED your minds about illegals, and NOBODY believes that you have - especially the Hispanics...

So, my question to you is, is it better to succumb to what the local yokels want, or win a presidency? OR, in the alternative, do you believe you CAN win the presidency even if you DON'T get that vote??

Excon

You'd think that as much as Hispanics hate Republicans and with Texas having a Hispanic population roughly 3 times the national average, Texas wouldn't be run by a bunch of white Republicans.

I don't want the illegal alien vote. As for McCain .I admire his service . But his record as a Senator has been at best mixed. He has this Senate 'commity ' obsession and concedes on too many positions as a result. Just this week he was doing a great job holding up Hagel's appointment to try to get answers on Benghazi. Then at the critical moment ;he backed down and threw away all the leverage he'd built .
He knows what the Republicans want in an immigration bill . But he is demonstrating yet again that he will cave.

Hello again, Steve:
You'd think that as much as Hispanics hate Republicans and with Texas having a Hispanic population roughly 3 times the national average, Texas wouldn't be run by a bunch of white Republicans.Are you saying that you're HAPPY with your current policy of throw 'em out, and so are Texas Hispanics?? I can't tell.. Are you FOR amnesty, or not? To quote John McCain, all I want is a yes or no.

And, Marco Rubio?? Maybe he'll move to Israel.

Excon

You'd think that as much as Hispanics hate Republicans and with Texas having a Hispanic population roughly 3 times the national average, Texas wouldn't be run by a bunch of white Republicans.

2003 Texas redistricting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_redistricting)


The 2003 Texas redistricting refers to a controversial mid-decade congressional redistricting plan. In the 2004 elections, it resulted in the Republicans' taking a majority of the House seats for the first time since Reconstruction, by a 21 to 11 margin, or a 2 to 1 ratio. This was disproportional to the voting breakdown in the state in the presidential election, in which there was a 61/38 voting ratio of Republicans to Democrats. Opponents challenged the plan in three suits, combined when the case went to the United States Supreme Court in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry.

On June 28, 2006, the Supreme Court upheld the statewide redistricting as constitutional, with the exception of Texas' 23rd congressional district, which it held was racially gerrymandered in violation of Section 2 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, apparently to try to protect a Hispanic Republican representative. This district had to be redrawn in a plan with oversight by the court. When completed, a special election was held for the representative of the new district; the Democrat Ciro Rodriguez won the seat.

The war goes on.

Hello again, Steve:Are you saying that you're HAPPY with your current policy of throw 'em out, and so are Texas Hispanics??? I can't tell.. Are you FOR amnesty, or not? To quote John McCain, all I want is a yes or no.

And, Marco Rubio??? Maybe he'll move to Israel.

excon

No I'm not for amnesty, I'm with Obama on this. “reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship—a path... and going to the back of the line."

The funny thing is that the illegals really think Obama's on their side. If he really were ,then this would've been his fight in the 1st term. I suspect he won't go any further than lip service again.

You guys have added your lip service to the immigation issue this time, and that's a big difference than it was.

What, Obama is the only one who can 'evolve'?

Hello again, Steve:Are you saying that you're HAPPY with your current policy of throw 'em out, and so are Texas Hispanics??? I can't tell.. Are you FOR amnesty, or not? To quote John McCain, all I want is a yes or no.

And, Marco Rubio??? Maybe he'll move to Israel.

excon

Majority of U.S. citizens say illegal immigrants should be deporte (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE91K01A20130221?irpc=932)d

Majority of U.S. citizens say illegal immigrants should be deporte (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE91K01A20130221?irpc=932)d
I'm not impressed. "Wednesday's Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Friday through Tuesday and surveyed 1,443 Americans over the age of 18." I wonder how random this sample is. It is already sampling only "Americans." White ones? Many fell into a 50+ age bracket?

What, Obama is the only one who can 'evolve'?

To be quite honest I love it :). I knew you guys weren't loony in the first place. Well not ALL of you.

Hello again,

May I remind you that this ISN'T about popularity.. It's NOT about what the base wants.. It's about winning presidential elections. I guess they think they can fool people.

I agree with tom. This will go NOWHERE, and Hillary will win in a landslide.

excon

I'm not impressed. "Wednesday's Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Friday through Tuesday and surveyed 1,443 Americans over the age of 18." I wonder how random this sample is. It is already sampling only "Americans." White ones? Many fell into a 50+ age bracket?

That was 839 more sampled than ex's convoluted contraception poll.

No matter where you are, when it comes to queue jumpers(illegals) the silent majority are of the same opinion, send them back. No matter how impractical that might be as a solution most people want the laws respected and enforced

For the second year in a row, Rand Paul cut a check to the treasury returning $600,000 they saved from his office budget. Drop in the bucket sure, but I know first hand how little the government does to save our money and we need more examples like this instead of just tossing around our tax dollars like Santa on steroids...


Rand Paul returns more money to Treasury (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/21/rand-paul-returns-more-money-to-treasury/)

CNN's Kevin Liptak

(CNN) - Sen. Rand Paul cut another six-figure check to the United States Treasury Wednesday, taking the money he said he didn't need from his office's budget to make a tiny dent in the nation's massive federal debt.

"We watch every purchase," Paul, a Republican from Kentucky, said at an event next to an oversized check for $600,000. "We watch what computers we buy, what paper we buy, the ink cartridges. We treat the money like it's our money, or your money, and we look at every expenditure."

The $600,000 reflects more than 20% of Paul's annual office budget, according to a press release. Another GOP lawmaker, Rep. Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina, said he would return $160,000 to the federal government, or 12% of his office budget.

“At a time when Americans are tightening their budgets, I have made an effort to do the same with my Congressional office budget," Mulvaney wrote in a statement. "'My office has found ways to save money while continuing to provide necessary services to the constituents of the Fifth District. As requested when I returned over $160,000 last year, I ask that Speaker Boehner use this money to pay down the national debt.”

Last year Paul returned $500,000 to the Treasury, and said he hoped other members of Congress would follow his cost-cutting lead. In total, Paul's office says they've returned $1.1 million that was unspent from his office's operating budget.

$1.1 million in two years, kudos Senator.

For the second year in a row, Rand Paul cut a check to the treasury returning $600,000 they saved from his office budget. Drop in the bucket sure, but I know first hand how little the government does to save our money and we need more examples like this instead of just tossing around our tax dollars like Santa on steroids...



$1.1 million in two years, kudos Senator.

You need to borrow some of our politicians, they seem to be in a race to the bottom, like having the smallest budget will get them elected. I heard the most stupid thing I think I have ever heard yesterday, the government here (Federal) will cut funding allocations to the states and give the funds directly to local hospitals, this is after they, the feds, cut funding for medicine by the same amount. I'm waiting for the obvious solution, a government levy to fund hospitals