Has anyone been following the UK "scandal" of processed beef products containing, up to, 100% HORSE meat?



Q&A: Horsemeat scandal

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Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21335872#story_continues_1)
Horsemeat scandal (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21457188)



Table of withdrawn products (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21412590)
Horsemeat: Good news for butchers? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21449140)
Why horsemeat revolts Britons (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21043368)
How damaging to meat industry? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21334722)



The government has said thall processed beef products on sale in the UK are safe to eat despite up to 100% horsemeat being found in some Aldi and Findus products, which were removed from shelves last week. That followed the discovery of horsemeat in some burgers.BBC News - Q&A: Horsemeat scandal (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21335872)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21457188 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21457188)


What are you thoughts?

Has anyone been following the UK "scandal" of processed beef products containing, up to, 100% HORSE meat?

Neigh

I had horse burgers when I was a kid. Would not had known the difference if I wasn't told . With some of the Brit recipes I've experienced ,it's possible that horse meat would be an improvement .

I don't eat horse meat but a lot of people do. But don't call it "beef," that's just wrong. How did they find out, did someone's Big Mac whinny?

neigh

Lol

Perish the though we should talk about the events in another place. Must be a slow day.

I have eaten horse meat, wouldn't do it for preference anymore than I would eat Kangaroo. It has a very obvious flavour and texture. Used to feed it a lot to dogs.

The brits would eat anything, it is expensive to live there

neighWell played sir. :D Greenie for you.

I don't eat horse meat but a lot of people do. But don't call it "beef," that's just wrong. How did they find out, did someone's Big Mac whinny?

They found out by DNA testing

perish teh though we should talk about the events in another place. Must be a slow day.

I have eaten horse meat, wouldn't do it for preference anymore than I would eat Kangaroo. It has a very obvious flavour and texture. Used to feed it a lot to dogs.

The brits would eat anything, it is expensive to live there

That is the kind of response I would expect from anyone you. You have done yourself proud.

Yes, CB, have been following it here. The French consider it a delicacy. So the use is not new of course, but UK problem is so wide spread it is alarming.

I hope it doesn't catch on here, with our horse racing industry going down the tubes because of high feed prices, we may be consuming some of Northern Dancer's offspring soon.

That is the kind of response I would expect from anyone you. You have done yourself proud.

I remember my time in the UK fondly, couldn't afford decent cuts of meat or even a hamburger, actually I might have settled for horse meat.

Where I come from horse meat is only available as dog food these days, special abbatoirs for those kinds of meat, but we know that in Europe horse meat is a delicacy, but not in the UK apparently, but you can't trust those frogs, they will serve up anything

Horses, young or old nowadays at auction, if not taken are sold so much for the pound and taken to the abbatoirs. I should correct that really, they always were because no one wanted to keep them and feed them to be sold leisurely.

Canadian wild horses are rounded up now and sent to the abbatoirs; especially for human consumption in Quebec and Europe.

If someone has a palatable recipe I'd be willing to try it . The price is right .
U.S. horses sold for $50 for food (http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/u-s-horses-sold-for-50-for-food/?cat_orig=money)

You couldn't tell the different really in taste between cow and horse. It is cooked much the same way; horsemeat is not gamey, and usually much more tender then cow.

Yes, unfortunately the price is too right for people who love horses. If you ever saw how they were led into a stainless steel stall by a person they trust, don't forget they are somewhat smarter then cattle, a person is waiting at the top of the stall with something similar to a nail gun. You can imagine the rest.

It has been an issue in Texas for several years, when the packing plants closed here the horses were exported to Mexico and Canada. The American Quarter Horse Association (headquartered right here in my home town and also the home of "pink slime (http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-04-07/public-discord-derails-pink-slime-plant)") argues it's a necessity " for horses that might otherwise continue a life of discomfort and pain, or inadequate care or abandonment."

Veterinarian and cowboy humorist Baxter Black has the right perspective on the issue.



On the Edge of Common Sense
By Baxter Black

Continuing saga of abandoned horses (http://www.progressivedairy-hay.com/hg/features/2009/0209/0209_black.html)

I had a visit with the president of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) recently about the abandoned horse issue. My question to him was, “Since the problem is a direct result of the banning of equine slaughter plants, for which your group led the charge, what are you willing to do to help those of us who have inherited the responsibility for the mess you have made?”

We discussed the woefully inadequate plan to put them in “refuges.” We both agreed that euthanasia is not a bad thing, but dumping your unwanted horse along the roadside, in private pastures or on park land to die of starvation is not humane.

We considered having equine animal shelters, like dog pounds. Maybe one in every state that would accept horses at no charge, hold them for 30 days in hopes they could be adopted, then euthanasia. The facility should include a free pick-up service, a large “feedlot” to hold them and a rendering plant. He did not readily agree that his group would finance this national program. But they are the richest animal rights group in the world and what better way, I thought, to put their money where their convictions are.

The HSUS has made legitimate criticism of how some horses destined for distant slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico are transported. We livestock people are responsible for the animals in our care from conception until death. We cannot turn a blind eye to double-decked trucks, too-long hauls and mistreatment. The Departments of Transportation and Agriculture should have laws that guarantee the horses’ well-being. We should ensure their enforcement.

It’s good that we are talking, but this winter the public’s awareness of the problem, and their deeper understanding of the cause, seems to be lifting the veil of the ignorance which often blinds the naïve but well-meaning, be they horse lovers, politicians or journalists. Starving horses are not a pretty sight.

Three states, with more to come, North Dakota, Wyoming and Montana, are taking steps to examine the construction of horse slaughter plants to replace the ones the animal righters have had banned in Texas and Illinois. The day these new plants open up, the abandoned horse problem, with all its unintended abuse, will disappear. There would be a place for them to go.

There are several groups scrabbling around for answers this cold winter to save unwanted horses from the misjudgment of these well-intentioned but irresponsible “animal lovers.” I hear from them regularly. I suggest if you are one of these sale barn operators, ranchers, park rangers, farmers or rural residents who have inherited the problem, take photos of the horses, good or bad, that have been dumped in your area. Then when a new state applies for a permit to build a new horse slaughter plant and the animal rights groups protest, we will have an entire “Gallery of Abandoned Horses” to show the public the inhumanity of their policy. These photos would be very convincing. Our facts versus their perception. Of course, we could put pictures of abandoned horses on milk cartons with the caption “Brought to you by HSUS, PETA and the ‘Frenchmen Should Not Eat Horsemeat Society!’”

Just don't call it beef. We don't much like the idea of eating our horses in these parts.

I don't much like the issue either, we don't like eating horses 'in these parts'.

Unfortunately here in Ontario, it is near impossible to feed horses if you own and breed them. It used to cost $800 per month to feed hay to about five horses, now it costs $2000 a month. With the possible demise of the horse racing industry here in Ontario, harness racing, etc. owners of good bloodlines are having to make some tough choices while trying to find homes for them to people who can afford to care for them; rather them make the ultimate decision.

I live in an area of southeast Ontario where horses are a way of life still and I know for sure I would not want to make decisions like this.

Tick, a horse lover

I am conflicted because I have seen the pixs of horses who's owners recently have stopped feeding them because of the explosion in the price of hay .
Abandoned: Horse Abuse a Growing Problem (http://magicvalley.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/abandoned-horse-abuse-a-growing-problem/article_2f732126-b3a5-52e5-bbc3-3edbc4430856.html)

Couple that with the fact that the wild horse population has exploded ,and the Bureau of Land Management culls the herds ,perhaps they are an option as a food source... much like the White Tail deer is here (or should be ) .

Better to have FDA regulated slaughter of such horses for food?

Canadian wild horses are not considered, and are not advertised as a food source here. I have never heard of horses being shipped overseas for food from the US but then, that would not necessarily be newsworthy here.

I hear someone was hospitalized after eating the horse meat... but the good news is that he's in stable condition... and other Twitter puns :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tesco-horse-burger-meat-twitter-1537054

I hear someone was hospitalized after eating the horse meat ....but the good news is that he's in stable condition..........and other Twitter puns :

Tesco horse burger meat Twitter jokes and puns - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tesco-horse-burger-meat-twitter-1537054)

I have no comment on this, I just want to thank tomber for the giggles. :)

if someone has a palatable recipe I'd be willing to try it . The price is right .
U.S. horses sold for $50 for food (http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/u-s-horses-sold-for-50-for-food/?cat_orig=money)

Tell you what Tom we kill and ship 100,0000 to Europe a year, I'm sure we could find one for you if you wanted it and it would be certified

Tell you what Tom we kill and ship 100,0000 to Europe a year, I'm sure we could find one for you if you wanted it and it would be certified

I would ,but my doctor is concerned about my girth .

I would ,but my doctor is concerned about my girth .

Well Tom horse is what you need 40% less fat and way more protein, would you like it with or without the bone

Another part of this scandal, that raised a wry smile, was the discovery of PORK in halal prison food!!

In all honesty would this discovery put you off such products or stores?
Is it such a moral issue to eat horse flesh...

Hi Curly

The question isn't necessarily public health but truth in packaging. Maybe this is a scam and the loosers are the packing companies but there are people with a definite objection to horse, pork and beef and so truth in packaging becomes a moral issue for them, that is aside from the simple avoidance of deceit.

The most famous emergence of these moral Issues was the Indian Mutiny which started the process of bringing India out of British rule so the consequences for failing to respect the religious taboos for certain people resound across the world. Who knows what jihadist will use such events as an excuse

Interestingly enough this is being refereed to as contamination rather than mislabelling or fraud.
As there is no public health issue surely contamination isn't the right approach...

Contamination suggests a religious point of view unless the horse was slaughtered in a manner which makes it unfit for human consumption.

I don't want the food I eat to contain products I don't know about and that is a legitimate view. There are things I don't wish to eat and want to exercise choice. There are many products where substitution is possible and the fast food industry and the preprepared food industry is a haven for such products

I agree with Clete ,here the FDA calls it adulteration. But that wouldn't really accurate because it doesn't hold a health hazard... but clearly it is misbranding . Are they tracing it back to a specific manufacturing plant ? They say in the articles they've found horse DNA.. . But is it trace amts ? What I'm getting at is ;is it cutting the beef with horse meat ;or is it trace elements indicating poor GMP rather than outright fraud ?

Yes they have traced it to specific brands and plants and even back to wholesalers and further back in the chain, the fraud took place where substitution began, this isn't just an error or a failure to clean machinery, we are talking tons of horse meat, and it emerges not just one product. So the whole chain of preprepared meals becomes suspect as does the meat packing industry in general. As I said earler Tom we slaugher 100,000 horses a year for Europe and this meat originated in Eastern Europe so who knows how many they slaughter themselves, but there is a lot of it around

I think it's outright fraud. But if I want leaner I eat pork, no qualms about eating Porky vs. Sea Biscuit here and if you ask me, a pork cutlet makes a better chicken-fried "steak" than beef anyway.

Horses are normally slaughtered with a nail gun, between the eyes. There can be no contamination this way, unless it is the way the carcass is bled out and dressed.

Many believe equine testing is just the tip of the iceberg. “I am sure this will rapidly move on to other species,” said Adam Couch, chief executive of Cranswick, a meat and pastry goods supplier, which has not been implicated in the scandal.
Horsemeat scandal draws in Nestlé - FT.com (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/43496dda-79fa-11e2-b377-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2LLNeurez)

Well there is the possibility of contamination with Pork and that opens a whole nest of goodies

Horsemeat actually tastes better than a lot of what passes as Beef these days (specifically the feedlot variety).

Yes they sell Horsemeat at specialist butcher shops in Europe...

Yes I've had it... and yes it tastes good.

And its odd because you actually pay a premium for horsemeat in parts of Europe.

Surely not the issue, just because it tastes good doesn't mean it is an allowable substitute for beef. If I buy a beef product I expect to get beef, although around here I sometimes think they have been killing elephants. When I buy beef I don't expect to get buffalo or horse, just as when I buy chicken I don't expect to get rabbit

Except... horsemeat is more expensive than beef in many parts of Europe where its sold legally.

I'd be more upset if they were selling cat as rabbit...

And a skinned cat does look a LOT like a skinned rabbit... if the head is removed.

Actually I think they taste like Chicken too.

Many years ago a Chinese restaurant I used to go to with my roomates on payday got busted for selling Kung Pao Kitty... they literally got caught with cat in their freezer and got shut down during a routine health Dept Inspection.

Who knows how long they were doing it.

Must have a big freezer, was that a drivein restraurant but I know what you mean, it is the standing joke around here about chinese restraurants that they keep the cat population down, I rarely eat chicken in a chinese restraurant

Our nearby chinese takeaway made creative use of the local duck population ;)
Till they got busted which was a shame..

Yes duck in plum sauce almost as good as mongolian rabbit

Our nearby chinese takeaway made creative use of the local duck population ;)
Till they got busted which was a shame..

I used to love Peking Duck... until the last time I got it... thought it wasn't as good as usual... didn't get puking sick... but got mild nausea for the next week.

Heck wild game is usually more tasty than farm raised stuff... bland diet = bland meat.

Haven't had it since... mostly because I like the local Chinese restaurants even less than that one... never returned after that and never will.

must have a big freezer, was that a drivein restraurant but I know what you mean, it is the standing joke around here about chinese restraurants that they keep the cat population down, I rarely eat chicken in a chinese restraurant

This was a regular sit down or take out restaurant in an shopping center. Average size. Been a lot of years... this was back in the 1980's.

Heck... we used to go for the all you can eat buffets at lunchtime.

Yes I remember those places, I wonder what happened to them, went broke I expect, some things have disappeared like Pizza Hut restraurants,and Sizzlers, I think we can get two varieties of pizza now and who sits down in a pizza place

Yes I remember those places, I wonder what happened to them, went broke I expect, some things have disappeared like Pizza Hut restraurants,and Sizzlers, I think we can get two varieties of pizza now and who sits down in a pizza place

Most health Dept writeups close them down until the situation is corrected... sometimes only hours.. sometimes days or weeks.

This case they revoked their business license... they REALLY came down hard on them. Something I've rarely seen, or at least have heard about. Maybe permanent shutdowns happen more often than I know.

One week we had lunch there... two weeks later we went there and they were out of business. (yes there was a writeup in the newspaper and I seem to remember Board of health paperwork of some type taped on the doors.)

Lot of places get minor write-ups from time to time for small stuff. I have close friends that have a few restaurants.

Yes we have seen a few locals go that way too, but I'm speaking of a general change, maybe it's the marketing, maybe they are rebadging themselves, or maybe the GFC did them in, I know we have a lot less pizza brands and those we do have are in trouble at corporate level. But cleanliness in food outlets is a big problem, but I have seen upmarket restraurants become curry houses seems to be a trend.

Back to what's on our plate I hope it isn't horse

Are you missing Pizza Hut?

Well I certainly eat less pizza, it was a good alternative to McDonalds when travelling, I miss the choice

And here I thought all those American intrusions were evil.

If they weren't here we would rely on something else with better nutritional value, but they are. What they do is push the local product out over time. I hear Cahill's I think it is called is intending to set up here, what we don't need is another chain selling oversized burgers, we already have enough of those

Just Imagine.. if it wasn't for western food in Australia they might be eating these as snacks. Like the Aborigines do.

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2885/KWHPD00Z/posters/edwards-jason-a-close-view-of-a-witchetty-grub-australian-aboriginal-food.jpg


I think the Western food is a better option.

They tell me that they have a nutty taste but there are some in other places who eat snails and frogs, Bush tucker enabled abo's to survive for a long time and if you look at them in their natural state they are lean and well conditioned, it is western food that has ruined them just as it has us. Interesting that their name for us is hairy grub, when you live on welfare I expect Bush tucker puts some extra on the table when the money has run out

Not saying I wouldn't eat one... but I'd have to be very hungry. Why would I eat a slug when my favorite food comes from down under ?
http://media1.agfg.com.au/images/recipes/520.jpg
There is no way they could substitute horse for that !

This chef is Philly plans on introducing horse meat into his menu... good luck with that !
Philadelphia chef plans to introduce HORSE MEAT to menu at popular Sicilian restaurant | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282422/Philadelphia-chef-plans-introduce-HORSE-MEAT-menu-popular-Sicilian-restaurant.html)

You haven't lived until you've had fried frog legs.

You haven't lived until you've had fried frog legs.
For sure...

You haven't lived until you've had fried frog legs.

Those taste like chicken... and look like little drumsticks with plastic bones.

This chef is Philly plans on introducing horse meat into his menu.... good luck with that !
Philadelphia chef plans to introduce HORSE MEAT to menu at popular Sicilian restaurant | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282422/Philadelphia-chef-plans-introduce-HORSE-MEAT-menu-popular-Sicilian-restaurant.html)

If you get over Mr. Ed, Roy Rogers and Trigger... horse meat tastes just like beef only with more flavor. And its leaner.

If you get over Mr. Ed, Roy Rogers and Trigger......horse meat tastes just like beef only with more flavor. And its leaner.

Yes it is leaner, and tastier, but its hard to convince people of this. I wonder if they did not have a choice, would they starve, or eat a horse?

Those taste like chicken...and look like little drumsticks with plastic bones.

Deep fried frog legs, yum !

Yes it is leaner, and tastier, but its hard to convince people of this. I wonder if they did not have a choice, would they starve, or eat a horse?

I think if people ever tried it... they would like it. It's a familiar taste people who eat red meat love.

It not like deer meat that tastes somewhat like it but different enough some people might not have a taste for it.

I on the other hand love game meat like venison... especially if they are smoked .

I on the other hand love game meat like venison ....especially if they are smoked .

So do I. Never had it smoked however. Just can't stomach innards like tripe, Kidney, tongue or Chitlins.

Went to a restaurant outside of Quebec City that had a variety of smoked game meats like venison, elk ,bison, caribou ,wild boar etc. I told them they should market their selection . It was awesome.

You should try crocodile then

You should try crocodile then

I've ate Crocodile... its like a cross between pork and chicken in flavor.

Haven't seen any in the stores around here for a few years.

No somewhat foolishly crocodile is protected, but you have alligators

no somewhat foolishly crocodile is protected, but you have alligators
Toe MAY to's, Toe MAH to's...

Half the people wouldn't know on from the other (but yeah... Incorrect terms are commonly used)... both would tear you a new butthole in an instant.

Bet they both taste the same...

Do you mean Toh Maine

Back to eating game meat. Here is a classic example of stupid government over regulation.
Louisiana Forces Homeless Shelter To Destroy $8,000 Worth Of Deer Meat « CBS Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/25/louisiana-forces-homeless-shelter-to-destroy-8000-worth-of-deer-meat/)

Louisiana's State Health Department forced a homeless shelter to destroy $8,000 worth of deer meat because it was donated from a hunter organization.

KTBS-TV reports that the Shreveport-Bossier Rescue Mission lost 1,600 pounds of venison because the state's Health Department doesn't recognize Hunters for the Hungry, an organization that allows hunters to donate any extra game to charity.

“We didn't find anything wrong with it,” Rev. Henry Martin told KTBS. “It was processed correctly, it was packaged correctly.”



The trouble began last month after the Department of Health and Hospitals received a complaint that deer meat was being served at the homeless shelter. A health inspector went out and told the homeless shelter that deer meat was not allowed to be served and that is had to be destroyed.

“Although the meat was processed at a slaughterhouse (Bellevue) that is permitted by the Louisiana Department of Agriculture to prepare and commercially distribute meat obtained from approved farms, deer are not an approved meat source to be distributed commercially,” the department said on its Facebook page. “And because hunters brought the deer to the slaughterhouse, there is no way to verify how the deer were killed, prepared or stored.”

Martin says that bleach had to be poured onto the meat in order to destroy it.

“They threw it in the dumpster and poured Clorox on it,” Martin told KTBS. “Not only are we losing out and it's costing us money, the people that are hungry aren't going to get as quality of food, the hunter that's given his meat in good faith is losing out.”


Guess they should've been serving the homeless Ikea meatballs.
IKEA meatballs with HORSEMEAT sold across EU | IKEA Meatballs Pulled After Horse-Meat Traces Found - Hungary Videos : Firstpost Topic - Page 1 (http://www.firstpost.com/topic/place/hungary-ikea-meatballs-with-horsemeat-sold-across-eu-ikea-meatball-video-2gm8qkkOgNw-1274-1.html)

Just like IKEA they half@ss everything

CB, time to close, they are knawing on different bones now.

Bones are good, but better with some meat on ;)

This must be a political horse, or is that a donkey and/or elephant?

tickle this a discussion board. That means the topics naturally expand ;or die. We deserve latitude before adm shut down postings.

CB, time to close, they are knawing on different bones now.

Hello Mr PC and keeper of the corporate conscience you may like to know you cannot use the word @ss here even when referring to a donkey or an assine remark so suddenly we produce the word @ss and you crawl out of the woodwork and I think someone has already referred to things that crawl out of the woodwork and are eaten

Close the only piece of amusement we have

You are insulting, me crawl out of the woodwork, is that what you mean? I am extremely hurt by your remark paraclete. I am a long time member here and just because my user name is 'tickle' doesn't mean it implies a form of lower intelligence.

CB knows anything I say, I say in jest, or is that not acceptable to you?

Are you usually so rude to women?

Tomder, I really didn't expect CB to close it down.

This must be a political horse, or is that a donkey and/or elephant?
MMmmmmm elephant leg...

http://www.azerb.com/azer329.jpg

Paraclete, and what is 'Mr PC and keeper of the... ' ?

tomder, i really didnt expect CB to close it down.

Did not know the comment was made in jest ;although I should've guessed it . One of my pet peeves is the closing of discussions by some of the administrators. Like I said ,I think ;given that this board is a discussion board ,that there should be wide latitude given.

just like IKEA they half@ss everything

You get what you pay for...

$20 bookshelfs aren't going to last...

Nope... I haven't been to Ikea in over 10 years... and don't remember having ever bought anything there. THey do have a knack for marketing however...

I learned almost 30 years ago... particleboard furniture isn't worth the pile of sawdust and Melamine paper they are made from.

Yeah but I didn't know they made meat balls out of saw dust and horse . Actually ,I never knew they marketted food .

yeah but I didn't know they made meat balls out of saw dust and horse . Actually ,I never knew they marketted food .

Wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere on the planet hasn't put sawdust or (cellulose) in a meatballs... but you might expect that from China.

Horsemeat might put off Equestrian fans... and a few others... but at least its still edible and safe.

They have "Swedish Meatballs" Not "Spagetti and Meatballs"

I like both if they are made right.

Wife uses Ground Bison (Buffalo) because of its low fat content when we have anything that calls for ground beef.

Bison is good meat.. Have had it many times .

Paraclete, and what is 'Mr PC and keeper of the....' ?

Now I know you are female would you prefer Ms

Wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere on the planet hasn't put sawdust or (cellulose) in a meatballs....but you might expect that from China.

Horsemeat might put off Equestrian fans....and a few others...but at least its still edible and safe.

They have "Swedish Meatballs" Not "Spagetti and Meatballs"

I like both if they are made right.

Wife uses Ground Bison (Buffalo) because of its low fat content when we have anything that calls for ground beef.

Hi smoothy

Sawdust used to be a butcher's trick for a filler in sausages but not heard of it in mincemeat, no in China they put other things in food

Isn't bison an endangered animal? We have buffalo here (water buffalo) a feral animal but wouldn't eat them, likely to be full of worms

Now I know you are female would you prefer Ms

I still don't know what you meant, now you knowing I am female is only part of it. I still want to know why you made such nasty comments.

Hi smoothy

sawdust used to be a butcher's trick for a filler in sausages but not heard of it in mincemeat, no in China they put other things in food

Isn't bison an endangered animal? we have buffalo here (water buffalo) a feral animal but wouldn't eat them, likely to be full of worms

Mincemeat and meatballs are two different things here and yes, we raise bison for slaughter and also maintain protected herds.

Isn't bison an endangered animal? not any more .It was headed to extinct until private enterprise saved the bison from extinction .
The American Bison Society was formed in 1905 by such robber baron rogues as JP Morgan .He personally set aside 20,000-acre tract in Colorado and stocked it with bison. Buffalo Bill Cody added bison hunts in his Wild West shows introducing the animal to many people on the coasts . They in turn began donating to the American Bison society . Some ranchers began to commercially stock them, some cross bread them with cattle ( producing a meat called 'beefalo' . The American Bison society stopped operations in the mid 1920s .By then it was mission accomplished. The bison was saved.
Many of the bison that survive on public ranges today were released from these private ranches. By the 1960s ,public lands were open to hunters. Now they are numerous .90% of the bison today are on private lands largely for commercial use .

I still don't know what you meant, now you knowing I am female is only part of it. I still want to know why you made such nasty comments.

I didn't like the suggestion that just because the thread wasn't tracking where you wanted it to be it should be closed, look it threads stayed on track it would be great, but they don't and the silly editing have no thought to context

Hi smoothy

sawdust used to be a butcher's trick for a filler in sausages but not heard of it in mincemeat, no in China they put other things in food

Isn't bison an endangered animal? we have buffalo here (water buffalo) a feral animal but wouldn't eat them, likely to be full of worms

They breed them commercially... they actual;ly were almost extinct at one point...

These are American Bison... known more affectionately as Buffalo

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Bison-wild-animals-2785395-1024-768.jpg

They are actually a cousin to cattle native to the north American Continent... and genetically close enough to be crossbred. Known as a Beefalo

Nice buffalo so aside from the Bison what cattle are native to North America?

Nice buffalo so aside from the Bison what cattle are native to North America?

What cattle are native to Australia?

Nice buffalo so aside from the Bison what cattle are native to North America?

Very ill tempered beasts from what I understand... they also smell bad too.

What cattle are native to Australia?

None unless you count the feral water buffalo no we have a much more efficient grass eater - the kangaroo

But seriously I was responding to smoothy

They are actually a cousin to cattle native to the north American Continent

Hi paraclete, my suggestion to cb was in jest as I said before; sorry you took it the wrong way. I was kidding about the thread going off track, they always do and no problem with that.

Thanks for making everything clear. I don't edit, someone else does, and yes when that happens it changes the context no doubt about that.

Your post was weighing on me, so now I feel better

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I'm glad you feel better wouldn't want anything I say to actually upset you, take me with a grain of salt as they say