Hello:

Wingers SAY Obama care was "rammed down their throats", but it was debated for TWO YEARS.. If you really want to know how to RAM stuff down your opponents throat, just look at what the wingers did in Michigan (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/us/protesters-rally-over-michigan-union-limits-plan.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121212).

excon

Did Obamacare ever see a legitimate vote like all legislation is supposed to? No it didn't.

Did Obamacare have the so-called debate behind closed and locked doors the Republicans were not allowed to participate in... most certainly YES.


The right to work was passed by a legitimate majority vote UNLIKE Obamacare...

Why should Non-democrats be forced to pay dues that are given to support ONLY the Democrat party?

Hello smoothy:


Why should Non-democrats be forced to pay dues that are given to support ONLY the Democrat party?For the same reasons that employees of Koch Industries have no say in who their owners support.

Excon

Hello smoothy:

For the same reasons that employees of Koch Industries have no say in who their owners support.

excon

Face it, right-to-work is where it's at. Our unemployment rate here in my city never went above 6% when the economy tanked. New construction here has been non-stop. There's a new major shopping center and 3 new hotels less than a half mile from where I work. Construction crews from all over the country have been getting in on the act here.

Been to Dallas lately? The whole darn Metroplex is under construction... gotta widen those highways and build homes for all the Californians fleeing their state (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3344927-post49.html). You don't think other states want to see that kind of activity?

Besides the freedom and economic benefits of right-to-work, it's much more peaceful here without all those union thugs tearing down tents with women and children inside (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3344324-post29.html), assaulting people (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3344467-post30.html) and threatening civil wars.

Hello again, Steve:

Again, you MISS the point.. You're knee is jerking more and more these days...

Right to work was NOT the point of my post... RAMMING it DOWN THE THROATS of Michiganders was the point.

Apparently, you AGREE with the tactics...

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Again, you MISS the point.. You're knee is jerking more and more these days...

Right to work was NOT the point of my post... RAMMING it DOWN THE THROATS of Michiganders was the point.

Apparently, you AGREE with the tactics...

excon

My knees weren't jerking, I was just pointing out the reality. Only 11.4% of American workers are now union members, 7% in the private sector. Right-to-work is where it's at.

As for ramming it down their throats... reap what you sow.

GM will open its newest plant in Mexico in March 2013.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/20/mexico-gm-idUSN2011837420110120


It already operates plants in Texas and Louisiana. The unions are dinosaurs.

Right to work was NOT the point of my post... RAMMING it DOWN THE THROATS of Michiganders was the point.

Whenever a political party holds majority in both legislatures and the governorship that party - be it Democrat or Republican - will use tactics to limit debate and ram their legislation down the minority party's throat. And the minority party will scream "unfair" - right up until the day they become the majority party. The Republicans in Michigan weren't the first, and won't be the last. Here in Illinois we see it all the time with the Democrat legislature and governor doing their sweetheart deals with very limited debate. And we certainly see it in Chicago with the Democrat mayor and city council doing things like approving multi-year no bid contracts and selling off city assets with no debate allowed. So don't be surprised by this tactic when it happens in Michigan.

Hello smoothy:

For the same reasons that employees of Koch Industries have no say in who their owners support.

excon

THat has NOTHING to do with the point... Union dues are extorted off employees to pay for things they neiother want nor support... like everything that doesn't pay for their benefits.

I personally object to MY dues being given to support Democrat candidates that have done absolutely NOTHING to help me or my needs...

If a Union is to contribute to ANY political campaign.. it should legally be required to give an equal amount to the other party as well.

Actually Union Dues should EXCLUSIVELY be used for members issues and benefits... NOT political follies.

Hello again, Steve:

Again, you MISS the point.. You're knee is jerking more and more these days...

Right to work was NOT the point of my post... RAMMING it DOWN THE THROATS of Michiganders was the point.

Apparently, you AGREE with the tactics...

excon

It wasn't rammed down any throats... its was voted on and approved by a majority... UNLIKE Obamacare which never got an up or down vote...

Hello smoothy:


UNLIKE Obamacare which never got an up or down vote... Nahhh... It wouldn't have become law without it.

Excon

Hello smoothy:

Nahhh... It wouldn't have become law without it.

exconAnd that's why it shouldn't be.. it sucks... and MOST of the population knows it sucks. It was a cheap ploy.. exactly like you would expect from a lowlife poorly educated wannabe street thug from Chicago... who would get his skinny little black butt kicked if he didn't have the secret service protecting his yellow back.

The only people that like is are the lazy non-productive losers that think they should get a free ride at everyone else's expense.

And of Course Nancy Pelosi doesn't even qualify as human much less a woman.

Now we have heard from the rabid right, is there another opinion in town, to me it sounds like the dogs are barking

Hello clete:

I can't argue with a bumper sticker... Or several of them..

excon

Ah, go on Ex, by the way there is no right to work, just as there is no right to breathe

Hello again, clete:

Yeah, politicians have a habit of calling laws what they AIN'T.. Like the Patriot Act.. The Privacy Act. Right to Work..

But, they don't fool me.

excon

Yes ex it is like their phony wars that achieve very little, but then we have talked those to death

now we have heard from the rabid right, is there another opinion in town, to me it sounds like the dogs are barking

See there is a big difference between excon and Obama... I could invite excon out for a beer if we found ourselves in the same town and we could probably have a decent conversation.

Obama would dictate WHAT bar we would be going to... WHAT we would be drinking... then expect me to pay for it along with the bill for all the underprivileged people that didn't come to the bar too, then he would preach about how I should feel privileged to give all MY money to the lazy.. while he is too cheap to hand over any of his massive wealth to the same people.

I would then begin to understand Lee Harvey Oswald in very short amount of time.

Even though I believe in Karma... and what goes around comes around.. and its going to hit him like a ton of bricks at some point when it does... Smart investors will be investing in KY jelly... the need for it is due to skyrocket..

smoothy, BO is just a man and in a private situation very much like you. He might have some underpriviliged stories to tell, but hell, don't we all. Hard times fall on everyone but they don't last, at least not for some.

One day he might have little, but I expect he has been there before and knows how to handle it, but you, well...

smoothy, BO is just a man and in a private situation very much like you. He might have some underpriviliged stories to tell, but hell, don't we all. Hard times fall on everyone but they don't last, at least not for some.

One day he might have little, but I expect he has been there before and knows how to handle it, but you, well.....................................


He doesn't have any REAL underprivileged stories, he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth... he has NEVER been there before... he's never held a REAL job in his life... and that's no secret.

I on the other hand am not stupid enough to believe the crap.. and propaganda... spread about him...

He and his wife are arrogant.. racist and rude... respect isn't in their vocabulary...

Of course you wouldn't know this on the other side of the globe, nor would most people... but I know people that travel with him, work, not pleasure.. and I got this from them directly. Not everyone is there because they like him... some don't have a choice.

Everyone has a choice smoothy, where are your balls, OK so he is arrogant, have you known any successful politicians who aren't, it goes with the territory, He just won an election, so he holds the high ground, but he might just bring down a few high flyers over there, and make them see reason.

You may not realise this, being at some distance, but we on the other side of the world don't expect anything but racism and rudeness, we have seen it all before. We have our own coloured people here and what do we find, exactly what you complain of, they just don't know their place do they? How dare they rise to rule the US of A, bastion of the WASP and the WIMP but I digress
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/not-good-enough-alan-jones-ordered-to-apologise-again-20121213-2bbq3.html

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-121312-unions-IBD-CO.jpg.cms

Yours is a cartoon, this one is real:

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Everyone has a choice smoothy, where are your balls, ok so he is arrogant, have you known any successful politicians who arn't, it goes with the territory, He just won an election, so he holds the high ground, but he might just bring down a few high flyers over there, and make them see reason.

You may not realise this, being at some distance, but we on the other side of the world don't expect anything but racism and rudeness, we have seen it all before. We have our own coloured people here and what do we find, exactly what you complain of, they just don't know their place do they? How dare they rise to rule the US of A, bastion of the WASP and the WIMP but I digress
Alan Jones To Apologise On-Air | 2GB (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/not-good-enough-alan-jones-ordered-to-apologise-again-20121213-2bbq3.html)

It has NOTHING to do with his skin color... it has EVERYTHING to do with his lies and socialist leanings and ties to terrorists and the fact that he is utterly clueless about most things... the man isn't qualified to run a McDonalds store... and after four years he still doesn't have a clue to tie his own shoes... He isn't there under any merit.. he's there because of fraud and complicity from the socialist media who ceased being journalists years ago and are pure propagandists now.

SO before you start claiming its all because he is black... its the Democrats who were race baiting and committing the slander and libel.

Look at how Herman Cain... a man who actually DID have real accomplishments in his life... the left fears a black man who doesn't fall back to play the race card 5 times a day.

They paid several Democrat women to make false accusations about him... unfounded ones... then the leftist post did as their party commanded and libels and slandered him... because if there was ANY truth to even ONE of those claims there would have been a lawsuit filed and there never was.. some of them were never even named... probibly because they never existed...

Herman Cain was a black man I could respect because he earned his success... Barrak Obama never worked a real job in his life... and I have NO respect for him... and I never will.

The Democrat party has a vested interest in keeping the blacks and minorities down... so they can be the neverending victims that are in need of handouts in exchange for votes...

It's the Republican party that was responsible for the Civil rights laws the blacks enjoy today... something the democrats forget fighting against for decades...

the man isn't qualified to run a McDonalds storePost your complete resumé here please and we'll see if you are in a good place to make these comments. We'll see if you deserve any of our respect.

Post your complete resumé here please and we'll see if you are in a good place to make these comments. we'll see if you deserve any of our respect.

I don't give a damn what you think... You have as much business commenting on American Politics as we have to comment on Canadian Politics...

I don't give a damn what you think... And Obama doesn't give a damn what you think - it's a wash. :D
I'll comment on any subject I feel like and there's not a thing you can do about it. Cool eh?

Now how about your résumé?

Hello again,

I went to a car show. Saw this:

Post your complete resumé here please and we'll see if you are in a good place to make these comments. We'll see if you deserve any of our respect.


And Obama doesn't give a damn what you think - it's a wash.
I'll comment on any subject I feel like and there's not a thing you can do about it. Cool eh?

Now how about your résumé?

You'll comment on anything you want but smoothy has to pass some standard of yours to have an opinion? The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Zombietime Hall of Shame (http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/) (graphic content warning)

but smoothy has to pass some standard of yours to have an opinion

Well you may have missed the part where he said


he is utterly clueless about most things...the man isn't qualified to run a McDonalds store....
he still doesn't have a clue to tie his own shoes...
Barrak Obama never worked a real job in his life...
I have NO respect for him....and I never will

I was just wondering what high horse he was speaking from.

Well you may have missed the part where he said

I was just wondering what high horse he was speaking from.

What difference does it make? He's entitled to his opinion, too.

Yes but not to express it

The people who constantly deride those who will never be present to defend themselves are real pussies in real life.

Too true, but whereelse would you get a hearing

Well you may have missed the part where he said

I was just wondering what high horse he was speaking from.

Obama would have been fired from any REAL job. Why? Because spending money you don't have is considered fraud in the real world... any Business that spends more than it brings in would be shut down and liquidated by the bankruptcy court...

If a private person was writing out checks they didn't have money in the bank to cover would be put in jail for check fraud...

But then I suppose its legal to kite checks and defraud people and creditors in Canada since you think Obama is doing everything so freaking perfectly and is such a boy-god who can do no wrong.

After he has PERSONALLY run up MORE of a debt than every president since George Washington in 1776 through George Bush... COMBINED.

And Obama doesn't give a damn what you think - it's a wash. :D
I'll comment on any subject I feel like and there's not a thing you can do about it. Cool eh?

Now how about your résumé?

Lets see yours FIRST... YOU must be a retired Millionaire otherwise you aren't much of a success to be passing judgements.

How many successful businesses have you started up.. grew and then sold in your life now exactly?

A resume is only history, what are you capable of

The people who constantly deride those who will never be present to defend themselves are real pussies in real life.

Spoken like a true expert in that topic. SInce that's all you ever appear to do here.

yes but not to express itAs long as the left wing loons are entitled to spew their opinion... I'm entitled to express mine too.

a resume is only history, what are you capable of

I've done better than Obama has... the last 4 years... I haven't run World record Deficits...

Quite the opposite... I've managed to NOT spend far more than I made. Either in business or my personal life.

You can teach your average gradeschooler kid to balance a checkbook... but apparently not a half black man from Kenya.

What part of leadership don't you get, did he spend this money alone? No, the money was spent under the auspices and consent of Congress. If anyone should take the blame for the mess it is that bunch of pussies. Some one yells do something and when something is done, they say, I was only talking, I didn't think you would do it.

So his life skills revolve around spending to solve a problem. If you didn't want him there you shouldn't have elected him, but you can't disregard history, the other side of politics is just as good at deficit spending as this fellow, who created the tax cuts that are the bone of contention now? Who started two expensive wars? Who allowed the crap to go on that created the GFC? I think he is doing better than Dumbo

You can teach your average gradeschooler kid to balance a checkbook... but apparently not a half black man from Kenya.Well there you go, that speaks volumes.

It is once again obvious that people in the USA must demonstrate their lack of knowledge of the 95% who form the rest of humanity. There are educated people throughout the world, many with a far better education than is apparently available there. Many live without the prejudice which is apparent in that comment.

To correct the record Obama was born in Hawaii, and much of his education was in the US, his father was from Kenya, so maybe they don't teach people to balance checkbooks in Hawaii

You can teach your average gradeschooler kid to balance a checkbook....but apparently not a half black man from Kenya.

When it comes to a individuals genetic make up there is no half, third, or a quarter of anything. That is not how genetics works. If there is any other misunderstandings it is also the case that a person genetic make up has nothing to do with the blood.

Take a basic course in biology.

Tut

The people who constantly deride those who will never be present to defend themselves are real pussies in real life.

Oh the irony.

Back to the subject of this post if you guys don't mind.

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Unions were a crucial part of this process, too. By fighting for higher wages and better benefits, unions ensure that working people have the means to purchase consumer items, housing, and other goods and services. Companies have to hire more people to keep up with demand – and the good jobs keep coming.

That's why the Republican Party platform of 1956 boasted that “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions” during Dwight D. Eisenhower's first term. Back then Republicans understood that a growing middle class was good for the entire economy. That party platform also said that “America does not prosper unless all Americans prosper.” Their rule: No shirkers.

But then in those days our economy wasn't dominated by Wall Street megabanks – institutions that don't build or sell anything. And politicians weren't completely in bankers' pockets back then, because the public wouldn't have tolerated it.

We shouldn't tolerate it now.

Just curious Speech, how much would you be making if YOUR boss didn't have to compete with the union scale for wages AND benefits?

Hi Tal but don't you know speech did it all on his own without any help just like all of those other fat cats, there is nothing wrong with unions properly administered and responsive to the members, but in speech's world unions get in the way by insisting on fair pay, etc. If unions overreach then the bosses move the plant, but no individual has the power to stand up to the corporation.

there is nothing wrong with unions properly administered and responsive to the members,
The unions early on in this country's history were corrupted by organized crime. Once labor laws codified union demands there was no more justification for their existence . Today ,they work hand in hand with the government to confiscate a percentage of union members wages . The unions then transfer that theft into the hands of the politicians . The rank and file get little benefit from that exchange. Eventually employers find other places to operate ;either in right to work states ,or by outsourcing .

I'll also point out that even FDR and the early labor movement folks understood that there was NO place in public employment for unions . Why ? Because they saw unions as vehicles to get workers more of the profits they help create. Public employess don't generate profits. They negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” That was also the position of George Meany;the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O .That was true through that Eisenhower era you discuss .

The unions early on in this country's history were corrupted by organized crime. Once labor laws codified union demands there was no more justification for their existence .
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You know, Tom, you become more and more a right wing mouthpiece everyday. You seem to have a real problem with organised crime over there, must be the enterprenual spirit at work or maybe it is just your politicians can be bought. I expect you will be telling us next BO is just an organised crime stooge

a resume is only history, what are you capable of

Can I borrow this? I think it would make a great tagline ;)

Sure Dad you are welcome, remember to credit me

I expect you will be telling us next BO is just an organised crime stooge

Guess you aren't familiar with the Daley Machine in Chi-town.

It was a rhetorical question Tom