December 21, 12-21-12 if you live in the US and are into numerology is approaching, and according to the Mayans, the world will end, not withstanding their world ended so time ago. Perhaps they were a little out in their calculations, say 500 years, and it wasn't cosmic catalysm thet befell them, but the Spanish. They were victims of Christopher Columbus just like the rest of you..

Notwithstanding the history lesson, something about being careful what you wish for, there are people today who are in a mass panic because they think the world will end. Are you one of them? Please let us know if you are

Matt 24:36

You better research the Kolbrin (http://kolbrin.com/) Bible and prepare for Planet X.

Jerry 24:67

No one knows the day or the hour

Maybe the Mayans got tired of predicting the future and decided to stop with 12/21/12. After all, you can't predict all of eternity because it would take all of eternity to do so. :)

The Mayans didn't have our calendar, and didn't predict 12/21/12.
They were probably aware of the zodiac change (to the age of what we call Aquarius) that many parts of the world had, even with different names, based on the ~2,000 year cycle that is ~1/13 of the cycle of the precession of the equinox.
In fact, prophets liked to predict all sorts of cataclysms and messiahs. Jesus arrived at the last change of the constellations.

The Mayans didn't have our calendar, and didn't predict 12/21/12.
They were probably aware of the zodiac change (to the age of what we call Aquarius) that many parts of the world had, even with different names, based on the ~2,000 year cycle that is ~1/13 of the cycle of the precession of the equinox.
In fact, prophets liked to predict all sorts of cataclysms and messiahs. Jesus arrived at the last change of the constellations.

With the possibility he might come back with this one.

The Mayan long count finishes on December 21, Their religion predicts a cataclysm at that time, thus the panic as some people think their predictions are based on knowledge. These people were primitative with limited ability to observe the skys and anything outside their immediate vicinity and they may have predicted their own demise

Many disagree that 12/21/12 marks a cataclysm. It isn't even the end of the long count, but the end of part of one. The next 'end' (I read) is on 10/13/4772.

I believe that the Mayans, Hindus, and Egyptians knew about precession of the equinoxes before 2,000 BC. Evidence that they knew is another whole subject.

I have all my old Y2K supplies up on EBay .They are a little dusty but servicable. Did have to burn one of the candles for a day last month ;but they are otherwise intact.

How do we know it is the first long count?

Mayans started creation 3114 BC. Add that to 4772 AD and I think a long count is 7886 years, and we are have a ways to go.

The mayans never predicted the end of the world. Its just the end of their largest cycle. The only thing that they predicted is that there will be a change in solar activity. Even our own scientists believe that there will be changes coming as we pull away from the center of our galaxy and go through this phaze.

There is some debate about what the long count represents, recurring cycles of 5126 years, or a cycle of 64 million years, which if you remember lines up with the last great annilihation.

I think the end of the world is here . The Mayan's managed to destroy the indestructable Twinkie.

According to the bible, there has got to be a 7 year tribulation period and even before the tribulation the rapture of the church must happen. So no way it is the end of the world. The church could be raptured that day. That would be cool. But I sincerely doubt it. The day will come and go just like May 21, 2011... so I guess I better go shop for Christmas.

We are half way through an 8 year tribulation.


By the way ;not all of us Christians believe that Christians will be raptured before the tribulation. That's an easy way out . I think we are all in it together.

The mayans never predicted the end of the world. Its just the end of thier largest cycle. The only thing that they predicted is that there will be a change in solar activity.

Right, saying the Mayans prediceted the end of the world because their long counts ends is like saying that OfficeMax predicts the end of the world for Dec 31 because that's the last date on the calendar I bought from them.


Even our own scientists believe that there will be changes coming as we pull away from the center of our galaxy and go through this phaze.

Not true - another canard from the crowd that enjoys spreading apocolypse myths. I challenge you to name a credible scientist who predicts any effect on the earth from such an event. And by the way, it's not that we are moving relative to the center of the galaxy, but rather that in our orbit about the galaxy we pass through the mid-point of the galactic plane twice each orbit (about every 120 million years), similar to how the a satellite in orbit abouit the earh passes over the equator twice each orbit. But determining the precise midpoint of the galactic plane is impossible, like trying to pinpoint the midpoit of a wispy layer of clouds. By most accounts we actually passed the midpoint sometime in the 1990's, so if it caused a change of some kind we all missed it.

We are half way through an 8 year tribulation.


btw ;not all of us Christians believe that Christians will be raptured before the tribulation. That's an easy way out . I think we are all in it together.

Yes Tom and we survived the 8 year tribulation before that, actually we are living in a post tribulation period

Right, saying the Mayans prediceted the end of the world because their long counts ends is like saying that OfficeMax predicts the end of the world for Dec 31 because that's the last date on the calendar I bought from them.



Not true - another canard from the crowd that enjoys spreading apocolypse myths. I challenge you to name a credible scientist who predicts any effect on the earth from such an event. .



What event would you like me to quote? The sun releasing energy does effect the earth in many ways. Solar flares can wreck havok on electrical systems. Its happened before. What part would you like me to find for you as far as affects of the sun ?

Yes a coronal mass ejection can wipe us out anytime, a supernova can wipe us out at anytime, an asteroid can wipe us out at anytime, despite the odds we are still here, and I happen to believe there is a reason for that. Our recorded history is very short, not even long enough to know what climate is normal. There is something pecular about Mayan mathematics, they had to modify their system to fit the length of a year, so how can we believe the count means anything

What event would you like me to quote? The sun releasing energy does effect the earth in many ways. Solar flares can wreck havok on electrical systems. Its happened before. What part would you like me to find for you as far as affects of the sun ?

You said that "there will be changes coming as we pull away from the center of the galaxy and go through this phaze [sic]," so I'm wondering what changes you are referring to? I'm looking for any event that you believe would be caused or influenced by the position of the solar system within the galctic disk - none of the events you mention are influenced by that (as far as we know).

The alignment of magnetic solar fields affect our own magnetic fields and causes shifts in the behavior of animals, insects and even humans since we all use the earths magnetic field to orient us.

For us its compasses and aircraft, and calibrated measuring tools, and a variety of other things we don't yet understand. Yes even airports have to change runways slightly to account for those polar shifts.

Given how crazy people have become I suspect we humans are more affected than we realize.

http://www.ehow.com/info_10047783_would-changing-magnetic-field-affect-life-earth.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

http://www.viewzone.com/magnetic.weather.html

The alignment of magnetic solar fields affect our own magnetic fields and causes shifts in the behavior of animals, insects and even humans since we all use the earths magnetic field to orient us

Clearly the earth's magnetic field is important, and in fact if it disappeared tomorrow we'd all be dead shortly thereafter. But I'm not sure what you mean by "solar fields affect our own magnetic field" - can you clarify how this works?

But I don't see what the point of your post was in this discussion - what do solar fields have to do with the Mayans and their funny calendar? If you're responding to my exchange with califdadof3, are you suggesting that the structure of the sun's solar field is somehow impacted by the sun's position in the galaxy? If so, how?

The whole Mayan calender is predicated on this 26,000 year cycle when our sun and earth align itself with the center of the milky way and also Venus's journey between earth and the sun. Not only does this suggest a deep understanding of the relationship with earth, the sun, and other planets but heavenly bodies that are even further out, like the center of our galaxy that's a part of an even greater galaxy.

Not just the Mayans but many old civilizations that when plotted out have many landmarks in perfect symmetry along lines of longitude and latitude that are to perfect for chance or coincidence and many believe that ancient man could actually chart the lines of the magnetic field of the earth that originate in the poles both north and south.

There are many accounts of ancient man seeing this precise time as a catalyst that will affect us and the inhabitants in adverse ways like the moons waxing and waning effects the tides, but I don't know about the gloom and doom stuff, but being water, minerals, and metals its logical that cosmic forces affect the earth and the inhabitants.

To a large extent the alignment of these solar forces have put us in a direct line to the full exposure to those forces with only our atmosphere to protect us. Its no coincidence that this alignment occurs during the winter solstice as many cultures on earth celebrate this time in many ways across the earth. Its no coincidence that its in the land of the Mayans that Venus will be seen at a certain time and place during this alignment because the Mayans have predicted this would happen through scientific means.

This alignment affects our sun, and us, but how? I don't know. They say that it will be heralded by earthquakes, and storms, and volcanic eruptions, and tidal waves. Seen any of those happening?

This alignment affects our sun, and us, but how? I don't know. They say that it will be heralded by earthquakes, and storms, and volcanic eruptions, and tidal waves. Seen any of those happening?

No more so than usual Tal, you cannot have it both ways, either the increased intensity of storms is due to AGW or it is due to cosmic forces. Either Earthquakes and volcanic activity is due to plate techtonics or it is due to cosmic forces. Either tsumani are due to earthquakes or they are due to plate techtonics. To suggest plate techtonics are due to cosmic forces that cannot be measured is ridiculous

Wow - so much misinformation in a single post. Sigh. OK, here goes...


The whole Mayan calender is predicated on this 26,000 year cycle when our sun and earth align itself with the center of the milky way

Wrong. The solar system takes 240 miilion years to orbit about the Milky Way, not 26,000 years. But of course the Mayans had no way to know that.


and also Venus's journey between earth and the sun.

Wrong. Venus doesn't make a "journey" between earth and sun.


Not only does this suggest a deep understanding of the relationship with earth, the sun, and other planets but heavenly bodies that are even further out, like the center of our galaxy thats a part of an even greater galaxy.

Oh boy... so now the Milky Way Galaxy is part of a "greater" galaxy? Where do you get this stuff? You need to be careful to not confuse what the Mayans believed with what New Agers today would like to say the Mayans believed. In reality they knew absolutely nothing about the structure of the Milky Way Galaxy or our solar system's place in it. Any idea that their long count calendar is somehow concident with the solar system's movement is just plain hooey. And also you should be aware that the whole idea that the Mayans predicted anything for December 22, 2012, or even that their calendar ends on that date, is incorrect - purposeful misinformation by people today eager to cash in on predictions of cataclism.


Not just the Mayans but many old civilizations that when plotted out have many landmarks in perfect symmetry along lines of longitude and latitude that are to perfect for chance or coincidence and many believe that ancient man could actually chart the lines of the magnetic field of the earth that originate in the poles both north and south.

Interesting.. but immaterial.


There are many accounts of ancient man seeing this precise time as a catalyst that will affect us and the inhabitants in adverse ways like the moons waxing and waning effects the tides, but I don't know about the gloom and doom stuff, but being water, minerals, and metals its logical that cosmic forces affect the earth and the inhabitants.

Cosmic forces? What cosmic forces? Please be specific. And as already noted there is no evidence that the ''ancients" have predicted anything for Dec 22, 2012 - this is a modern fabrication.


To a large extent the alignment of these solar forces have put us in a direct line to the full exposure to those forces with only our atmosphere to protect us. Its no coincidence that this alignment occurs during the winter solstice

What "alignment" is that? You make several references to an "alignment" but haven't defined what you mean. There is no evidence that "solar forces" will be anything different on December 22 than on any other day.


as many cultures on earth celebrate this time in many ways across the earth. Its no coincidence that its in the land of the Mayans that Venus will be seen at a certain time and place during this alignment because the Mayans have predicted this would happen thru scientific means.

What time and place is that? On December 22 Venus rises fairly late (about 10AM) and sets about 10 PM. Nothing unusual about that - doesn't seem to be a special alignment at all.


This alignment affects our sun, and us, but how? I don't know. They say that it will be heralded by earthquakes, and storms, and volcanic eruptions, and tidal waves. Seen any of those happening?

You need to be much more skeptical of the "they" that say this.

You can't have skepticism when you are predicting cataclysm it ruins the entire concept. Dec 21 is an entirely concocted date. Calculations of the date for commencement of this long count vary widely and the idea that it started in 3114 BC is because three of the mathemeticians arrived at a similar but not the same date but some calculations vary by centuries. I think someone has made a best fit based on later knowledge which was unknown to the Mayans. We don't know what was known to them and what wasn't, the spaniards, in their religious zeal, destroyed most of the civilisations records and what we do know is from deciphering stone inscriptions. Even their calendar is a best fit, they modified their mathematic system to fit the year. Who derives a calendar on a 20.20.20.18.20 notation system, it is even more irrational than our 12.31/30/28.7 system if anything could be and absolutely meaningless in cosmic terms

The alignment explained :
Check out Woody Harrelson & John Cusack -2012 Clip - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMHl4EZw-c)

Lol

There is a thinking that we may shift slightly between gravitational forces in the universe. To be more specific the effects of the bar (spiral arm) that we are located in. It is thought that alaignments of gravitational forces can cause subtle changes in our sun. What exactly we don't know for sure. That is why we have to monitor it closely.

the alignment explained :
Check out Woody Harrelson & John Cusack -2012 Clip - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMHl4EZw-c)

lol

Ah! So Hollywood is in charge of the "allignment"! That explains a lot.

I thought "Ghost Busters" was a much better movie that "2012," and much more realistic, don't you think? With the Pillsbury Dough Boy destroying Manhattan - that's should have been our wake-up call, right?

There are changes in the sun all the time, the idea that cosmic bodies influence us by gravitational or any other force is known as astrology. This is not science but nonsense. There are gravational distortions close to suns, singularities and so forth but to suggest they can predict cataclysm through primitive calculations hundreds even thousand of years ago is nonsense. Where is niburu, has it been sighted yet? Should be showing up by now. Where is that asteroid, are we not looking in the right place? Or is it composed of dark matter, or even more mysterious, dark energy. I think I had better go and don my tin foil hat. You want to check out some theories, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4AN4bvR-lo

Ah! So Hollywood is in charge of the "allignment"! That explains a lot.

I thought "Ghost Busters" was a much better movie that "2012," and much more realistic, don't you think? With the Pillsbury Dough Boy destroying Manhattan - that's should have been our wake-up call, right?

"Ray, next time someone asks if you are a God, you tell them yes!"

"How about we split up we can do more damage that way"

"That's ok, the table broke its fall"

"That's not the behaviour one would normally expect from a major electrical appliance"

"No thanks- there is a least two of you in there already"


Tut

2012 - Mayan Prophecy Featurette - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4AN4bvR-lo)

I hope they hurry and bring out the move otherwise there will be no one to see it.

Tut

I hope they hurry up and bring out the move otherwise there will be no one to see it.

Tut

Isn't that the video I just posted, they did it in the movie 2012

IT'S OFFICIAL THE END IS INDEED NIGH!

The world is becoming more bizairre, no lesser person than Julia Gillard, the little red fox, Prime Mimister of Australia, has jumped in with slipper in mouth, and endorsed the foolishness by announcing to the world that the world will end.

Julia Gillard: 'The end of the world is coming' | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/features/mayan-apocalypse-2012/julia-gillard-the-end-of-the-world-is-coming/story-fngjq0bi-1226531023530)

All I can say is the end of her world is indeed coming

See you all on December 23. How many times do we have to have end of the world predictions that never happen, before we stop obsessing about this crap?

If it ends, there's nothing you can do about it. If it doesn't, it's just more proof that these sort of predictions are bull cacka.

I'm buying Christmas gifts, because there will be a Christmas. I'm doing what I normally do. If it happens, well, it happens. But I'd bet a million dollars that it doesn't happen. Kind of a win win for me if you take that bet. :)

Ah! So Hollywood is in charge of the "allignment"! That explains a lot.

I thought "Ghost Busters" was a much better movie that "2012," and much more realistic, don't you think? With the Pillsbury Dough Boy destroying Manhattan - that's should have been our wake-up call, right?

It was the stay puft marshmallow man
Ghostbusters Stay Puft Man - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sALU_hveA)

The worl has been here for 4 billion years, and will be here for several more to years to come.

There was a planetary alignment back in 1982 and 2003 where six planets aligned, and nothing happened. Nothing will happen come the 21st. As for the Mayan calendar, well... it's the end of the cycle and another begins.

I remember when Nostradomos predicted the world was going to end in the mid 90's when I was a kid, and nothing happened. Y2k was a big deal and nothing happened...

If planet x were appraohing, then we would be able to see it by now, don't you think?

And if the world were to end, then there is nothing we can do about it.

I honestly don't know why I am posting in this thread. Really, I don't.

For those who believe it will happen, quick, get off your computer and go out there and have some amazing hot sex before this day takes place!

I honestly don't know why I am posting in this thread. Really, I don't.



It is optional you know

APPARENTLY ZOMBIES ARE IT IN THE US!

Really don't these people have anything better to do. Spoof or not, news has emerged that the Department of Homeland Security sent people to ZOMBIE training. Really?

Zombie Apocalypse. Is this how the world will end? | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/some-think-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-in-ice-but-many-believe-the-walking-dead-will-finish-us-off/story-fndo4eg9-1226531337614)

Walking dead, honestly? You have seen too many horror movies.

Although I have to admit I have seen some of the walking dead around here, where's my machette?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-ollinger/republicans-the-walking-dead_b_2228988.html

Got to game for every scenario

No Walking Dead for 2 months... argggg...

Its not the stories and theory's that make up the Mayan calender, but the accuracy of predicting the position of the stars and heavenly bodies through observation over many years. That's science, and in that they were very accurate.

Yeah well they had nothing better to do, but given the weather in that part of the world you would wonder how they got it done

Tropics?? And I doubt the whole society was tracking the night skies, more likely a scientist type like Franklin who published an almanac for the farmers in America.

Yeah americans of various persuasions have a habit of doing that, go figure

it is optional you know

As is rudeness.

[B]

All I can say is the end of her world is indeed coming

Bold prediction.

Days? Hours? Months? Years? I'm going to costco this weekend so id like to know how many cases of chai tea to buy cause I'm a real b@astard without a cup of hot tea... sooo... you are the man with the plan in hand.

You state it is coming.

That seems to imply a deadline looming.

I'm not on the looming deadline email list.

So...

All you.go.

Julia must face an election in 2013, and as she is the most unpopular Prime Minister certainly in living memory, therefore I predict her demise, The day and the hour is known only to her. Now as to tea, if you want to have another tea party over there, apparently two was never enough, I suggest you buy a ship load as it may become in short supply at any time, and not necessarily as a result of natural disaster.

It is not rudeness to state the obvious

Julia must face an election in 2013, and as she is the most unpopular Prime Minister certainly in living memory, therefore I predict her demise, . the day and the hour is known only to her. Now as to tea, if you want to have another tea party over there, apparently two was never enough, I suggest you buy a ship load as it may become in short supply at any time, and not necessarily as a result of natural disaster.

It is not rudeness to state the obvious

Its not wrong to point out obvious rudeness, however expected and common.

Still.. the deadline... you fail to prophet.. it be somewhere looming soon. Ish. Er.

still.. the deadline... you fail to prophet.. it be somewhere looming soon. ish. er.

I don't make prophecies on demand, future events are not at my command

What you can be sure of is the world will not end because of the end of the Mayan count

Just an update, folks, the 21st December has dawned bright and beautifull in that place where we get the news first and it is now after Midday, so the catacylism has been given a reasonable chance to take hold, but alas, we are still here, enjoying the endless sunshine and clean air

So all I can say to the doomsdaysayers, is; up your nose with a rubber hose and Merry Christmas

Just an update, folks, the 21st December has dawned bright and beautifull in that place where we get the news first and it is now after Midday, so the catacylism has been given a reasonable chance to take hold, but alas, we are still here, enjoying the endless sunshine and clean air

so all i can say to the doomsdaysayers, is; up your nose with a rubber hose and Merry Christmas

Well that's quite a change from what you said a few posts ago. What about you saying the end of the world is near?

Too funny!

Oh and thank you Kp, thank you for backing me up. I, however, do not take anything this clown says to heart. He is a smart a$$ in every thread. So, it doesn't surprise me...

Hey I never said it was going to happen, haven't you heard of sarcasm? Didn't you read the header?

Is anyone out there?
http://www.news.com.au/

http://www.news.com.au/features/mayan-apocalypse-2012/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/story-fngjq0bi-1226542080733

Can't go by Aussie time... The Myans lived in Mexico . We have until midnight GMT zones S and T

can't go by Aussie time ... The Myans lived in Mexico . We have until midnight GMT zones S and T

Actually it was at midnight the 21, which has already passed, so I think it is safe to say we will be just fine.

Due to technical Difficulties.The scheduled END OF WORLD event has been postponed. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Actually it was at midnight the 21, which has already passed, so I think it is safe to say we will be just fine.

Thanks for the clarification... my sundial was off .

We had a heavy downpour last night and I woke up this morning to find 2 inches of water in the basement. What a mess - perhaps that was the cataclysm the Mayans were predicting?

Our electricity went off because of high winds. When our house and all of our power grid went dark and we were plunged into total blackness, I thought, "This is it!"

thanks for the clarification ... my sundial was off .

Glad I could I could help.