robinhoodbatman
Oct 21, 2012, 10:00 AM
I'm a 23 year old megavirgin (to be explained later) seeking some female opinions on my situation as well as advice on how to proceed forwards to better myself and get out of this situation.
But before we get to that, I think a bit of background information is necessary:
I am a 23 year old male and I am a megavirgin. By that I mean that I have no experience with women whatsoever: in addition to never having slept with one, I've also never kissed, never dated, held hands, flirted or anything like that. I am pretty sure that it is physically impossible to have done less with a women than what I've done. Aside from that I don't have any physical deformities or anything of that sort, I'm tall and quite muscular (I compete in weightlifting) with perhaps an average face and have a good job (I'd say my income is in the top 10-15% of people my age).
How did it come to this?
I have always been a bit of a loner, don't really have many friends and those I do have I am not too close to (including some geographical reasons which I will get to later). In high school I was never very social, I think I attended like 3-5 parties during my studying. I was never really invited to anything and to be honest I didn't make much effort to do something social either. So when everyone else was laying the groundwork for social skills and relationship experience I was sitting at home.
When I got to university, the same stuff basically continued. I never really made much effort to be social and hence didn't make many friends or go out much.
Now when it comes to dating/relationships/sex I feel like the guy who turns up to a class in the middle of the semester to find that he's hopelessly behind everyone else in terms knowledge and experience.
I've always felt a little uncomfortable in loud crowded places such as pubs. I don't drink and hence I feel a bit out of place. However more importantly I find that I lack the social skills necessary to talk to people in an informal setting (in a workplace environment I am usually the guy who is leading the discussion/group and who speaks out a lot). It gets especially difficult when I'm talking to girls and I find that I am absolutely unable to do anything flirty/seductive, I believe this is called love shyness and I have it 100%. I am amazed by how easily most other guys seem to be able to handle interacting with women so its no surprise to me that if I am an unskilled conversational partner then girls will lose interest after a while.
I recently started a graduate job in a new city with a leading global firm and I'm also studying towards becoming a chartered accountant (it may sound boring so some people but this is what I'm good at and CAs have some of the best salaries out there). This means that I currently have almost no social circle in this new city but I'm trying to make more friends among my coworkers. Though my firm does have a lot of socials which should provide all sorts of opportunities, the male to female ratio isn't favorable and I'm not sure about how good of an idea it is to try to dip my pen in the company's ink.
Anyway my questions are these:
1) For women: is there any age that you'd consider a "cut off" point for a guy in regards to having at least some kind of experience with women? By this I mean that after that age you'd rather avoid someone like them due to their lack of experience and would just like someone who knows at least the basics of relationships/dating/sex?
2) What are some good dating/talking to girls/socializing audio books to get? I've recently been listening to the works of Carlos Xuma and I've found them really helpful, I've learned a lot from them. What other good ones are out there?
3) I've been toying in my head with the idea of going to a speed dating event. Would anyone recommend this as an option to try out (if not for anything else, then just for the sake of a new interesting experience) for someone in my situation?
4) Are dating coaches any good? I'm considering trying one out, is this recommended or can I find a better use for my money? (and don't say escort, I'm not that desperate)
But before we get to that, I think a bit of background information is necessary:
I am a 23 year old male and I am a megavirgin. By that I mean that I have no experience with women whatsoever: in addition to never having slept with one, I've also never kissed, never dated, held hands, flirted or anything like that. I am pretty sure that it is physically impossible to have done less with a women than what I've done. Aside from that I don't have any physical deformities or anything of that sort, I'm tall and quite muscular (I compete in weightlifting) with perhaps an average face and have a good job (I'd say my income is in the top 10-15% of people my age).
How did it come to this?
I have always been a bit of a loner, don't really have many friends and those I do have I am not too close to (including some geographical reasons which I will get to later). In high school I was never very social, I think I attended like 3-5 parties during my studying. I was never really invited to anything and to be honest I didn't make much effort to do something social either. So when everyone else was laying the groundwork for social skills and relationship experience I was sitting at home.
When I got to university, the same stuff basically continued. I never really made much effort to be social and hence didn't make many friends or go out much.
Now when it comes to dating/relationships/sex I feel like the guy who turns up to a class in the middle of the semester to find that he's hopelessly behind everyone else in terms knowledge and experience.
I've always felt a little uncomfortable in loud crowded places such as pubs. I don't drink and hence I feel a bit out of place. However more importantly I find that I lack the social skills necessary to talk to people in an informal setting (in a workplace environment I am usually the guy who is leading the discussion/group and who speaks out a lot). It gets especially difficult when I'm talking to girls and I find that I am absolutely unable to do anything flirty/seductive, I believe this is called love shyness and I have it 100%. I am amazed by how easily most other guys seem to be able to handle interacting with women so its no surprise to me that if I am an unskilled conversational partner then girls will lose interest after a while.
I recently started a graduate job in a new city with a leading global firm and I'm also studying towards becoming a chartered accountant (it may sound boring so some people but this is what I'm good at and CAs have some of the best salaries out there). This means that I currently have almost no social circle in this new city but I'm trying to make more friends among my coworkers. Though my firm does have a lot of socials which should provide all sorts of opportunities, the male to female ratio isn't favorable and I'm not sure about how good of an idea it is to try to dip my pen in the company's ink.
Anyway my questions are these:
1) For women: is there any age that you'd consider a "cut off" point for a guy in regards to having at least some kind of experience with women? By this I mean that after that age you'd rather avoid someone like them due to their lack of experience and would just like someone who knows at least the basics of relationships/dating/sex?
2) What are some good dating/talking to girls/socializing audio books to get? I've recently been listening to the works of Carlos Xuma and I've found them really helpful, I've learned a lot from them. What other good ones are out there?
3) I've been toying in my head with the idea of going to a speed dating event. Would anyone recommend this as an option to try out (if not for anything else, then just for the sake of a new interesting experience) for someone in my situation?
4) Are dating coaches any good? I'm considering trying one out, is this recommended or can I find a better use for my money? (and don't say escort, I'm not that desperate)