View Full Version : Santorum spills the beans - Conservatives are dumb..
excon
Sep 17, 2012, 07:29 AM
Hello:
Got to give him kudos for telling the truth.
Smart people will NEVER support the Republican party... Really, he SAID (http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/09/15/watch-santorum-says-smart-people-will-never-support-social-conservatives)that..
Excon
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 07:34 AM
Off to the social media this goes. :D
tomder55
Sep 17, 2012, 07:46 AM
Smart ;as in smart For people who are concerned about context you certainly don't practice what you preach.
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 07:47 AM
Smart ;as in "smart" .
What??
tomder55
Sep 17, 2012, 07:48 AM
Fixed it with an edit.
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 07:49 AM
Still doesn't make any sense.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2012, 07:50 AM
Maybe irony or sarcasm is over your head ?
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 07:59 AM
That's not even close to what he said, ex.
“We will never have the elite, smart people on our side,”
I think he meant "elite intellectuals" but he most certainly did not call conservatives dumb. You think Scalia is dumb? You think Tomas Sowell is dumb? You think Walter Williams is dumb? I mean really, I can' wait to see Paul Ryan up against Joe "stand up Chuck" Biden in debate. In fact, I wonder if Obama has learned how to place a call on an iPhone yet.
I'm OK with not having the elite he's referring to, they've screwed everything up with their progressive agenda and still want to go down the same path as Greece.
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 08:08 AM
maybe irony or sarcasm is over your head ?
Pretty sure that's not the case, I watched the video of him saying it. Which is kind of ironic since the republican party has no lack of billionaires on their roster.
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 08:10 AM
In fact, I wonder if Obama has learned how to place a call on an iPhone yet. He's by far the most tech savvy president ever. His appearance on Reddit was awesome. Do you think Romney is tech savvy?
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 08:18 AM
He's by far the most tech savvy president ever.
Uh, yeah, that's what everyone keeps saying. Not tech savvy enough to handle an iPhone (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/9/tech-challenge-obama-has-trouble-iphone/).
His appearance on Reddit was awesome. Do you think Romney is tech savvy?
And you think Obama does all this all by his little self? Bwa ha ha!
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 08:20 AM
He uses a BB, that's very well known. I use an Android. Neither of us would instinctively know how to use an iPhone.
Do you know how to use Ubuntu?
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 08:24 AM
He uses a BB, that's very well known. I use an Android. Neither of us would instinctively know how to use an iPhone.
I use and Android and coworkers come to me for help with their iPhone and I've never owned one.
Do you know how to use Ubuntu?
It's Linux, it's simple. I use it whenever Windows based options fail such as not being able to boot to Windows.
Is this a test?
tomder55
Sep 17, 2012, 08:27 AM
Pretty sure that's not the case, I watched the video of him saying it. Which is kind of ironic since the republican party has no lack of billionaires on their roster.
Did not hear Santrum mention wealth .
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2012, 08:30 AM
Did not hear Santrum mention wealth .
It doesn't need to be mentioned. It's a given.
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 08:42 AM
I use and Android and coworkers come to me for help with their iPhone and I've never owned one.How could you know so much about an iPhone (more than their owners) without ever owning one?
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 10:13 AM
How could you know so much about an iPhone (more than their owners) without ever owning one?
I never said I knew more than the owners, I said they came to me to for help, as in problems to resolve because if I don't know the answer I'll find it or figure it out.
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 01:52 PM
Not only did the DNC show Russian ships in honoring our military, they apparently showed Turkish jets (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/fighter-jets-in-democratic-conventions-military-montage-were-turkish-not-american/). And conservatives are the dummies?
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
And conservatives are the dummies?Well that's what Santorum seems to say.
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2012, 02:48 PM
As much as you and ex keep trying to say so, he said nothing of the sort. Really, this is just getting sillier and sillier. We have unemployment issues, underemployment issues, inflation issues, energy issues, Afghans repeatedly turning on NATO troops and a growing Islamic hissy fit and you guys want to lie about things Santorum said and talk about phony crap.
Does it really serve the public's interest to carry Obama's water for him with all these phony narratives?
NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2012, 03:04 PM
As much as you and ex keep trying to say so, he said nothing of the sort. Really, this is just getting sillier and sillier. We have unemployment issues, underemployment issues, inflation issues, energy issues, Afghans repeatedly turning on NATO troops and a growing Islamic hissy fit and you guys want to lie about things Santorum said and talk about phony crap.
Does it really serve the public's interest to carry Obama's water for him with all these phony narratives?
Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah!!
TUT317
Sep 17, 2012, 11:45 PM
Smart ;as in smart For people who are concerned about context you certainly don't practice what you preach.
Hi Tom,
Yes, even politicians deserve to be quoted in context.
What he actually said. "We will never have the elite smart people on our side".
He also said. "So college and university are not going to be on our side".
I am glad he moved to the left when he said that in order to cover up the Liberty University logo. I wonder what the Ph.D's at that particular institution felt about this comment.
Tut
TUT317
Sep 17, 2012, 11:52 PM
That's not even close to what he said, ex.
I'm ok with not having the elite he's referring to, they've screwed everything up with their progressive agenda and still want to go down the same path as Greece.
Anti-intellectualism was, and is a common ploy of totalitarian governments both in the past and in modern times.
Not a good idea for politicians to promote this sort of politics.
Tut
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 12:17 AM
After the events of the last week perhaps a little totalitarianism is in order. We cannot have Muslims populations running amok all over the world. Order, discipline, if not self disciple then...
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 06:13 AM
Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!
You laugh at people not being able to find a job? Dude.
NeedKarma
Sep 18, 2012, 06:25 AM
You laugh at people not being able to find a job? Dude.
There is no amount of explaining that would make you understand why that post was unintentionally hilarious. :-)
excon
Sep 18, 2012, 06:32 AM
Hello again,
Let's bring Romney into the discussion of dumb. He kind of ran off at the mouth a few months back and got caught... He say's stuff like, "Forty-seven percent of the country, are people who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to take care of them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.”
He went on to say there's nothing I can do to ever make them responsible for their lives...
What I find surprising in his remarks, is that he believes EXACTLY what our resident right wingers believe... David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120918)thinks these people have gone off the reservation...
excon
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2012, 06:40 AM
Two of that 47% are my 20-something niece (unmedicated ADHD, can't keep a job and has two small children by two different men) and my 57-year-old sis-in-law (unmedicated agoraphobic and divorced from an alcoholic/druggie, has no job), both white and both Republican.
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 06:47 AM
Anti-intellectualism was, and is a common ploy of totalitarian governments both in the past and in modern times.
Not a good idea for politicians to promote this sort of politics.
Tut
It hasn't been conservatives dumbing down the population for the last 60 years. All those good intellectual progressives are the ones that have been fighting tooth and nail to keep our children in the grip of a failed public education system.
It's far worse in my opinion, for politicians to promote the idea that we don't know what's best for us, that we can only achieve our full potential with the government's help, that government can engineer the individual a la Julia (http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/) as the "elite intellectuals" arrogantly think they must do.
tomder55
Sep 18, 2012, 06:53 AM
David Brooks the phony conservative likes the crease on Obama's pants. Who's he kidding ? He and other country club Repubics go 'tsk-tsk' at Romney over anything he says conservative ,while pretending that he's speaking out for Romney's benefit . With friends like that ;who needs enemies ?
excon
Sep 18, 2012, 06:56 AM
David Brooks the phony conservative likes the crease on Obama's pants. Hello again, tom:
Well, he's not my taste, for sure... But, he DOES represent the middle that Romney is trying to win, doesn't he?? I say trying, because he really isn't trying. He's LOSING, and LOSING bad..
Obama in a superduper LANDSLIDE.
excon
NeedKarma
Sep 18, 2012, 06:58 AM
It hasn't been conservatives dumbing down the population for the last 60 years. All those good intellectual progressives are the ones that have been fighting tooth and nail to keep our children in the grip of a failed public education system. So for 60 years the conservatives have failed miserably to "fix" the educational system?
tomder55
Sep 18, 2012, 07:06 AM
Hello again, tom:
Well, he's not my taste, for sure... But, he DOES represent the middle that Romney is trying to win, doesn't he??? I say trying, because he really isn't trying. He's LOSING, and LOSING bad..
Obama in a superduper LANDSLIDE.
excon
Not really .Brooks represents the beltway politicians who co-mingle at cocktail hour and leave their convictions at the door. Those type of Repubics have been satified with being good losers for decades . The only thing they run on is making the case that they can be better managers of the leviathan nanny-state than the Dems .
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 07:12 AM
There is no amount of explaining that would make you understand why that post was unintentionally hilarious. :-)
Your condescension is baseless, unwarranted and unwelcome.
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 07:13 AM
So for 60 years the conservatives have failed miserably to "fix" the educational system?
Is there something about numbers you don't understand?
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 07:17 AM
Two of that 47% are my 20-something niece (unmedicated ADHD, can't keep a job and has two small children by two different men) and my 57-year-old sis-in-law (unmedicated agoraphobic and divorced from an alcoholic/druggie, has no job), both white and both Republican.
You say that as if Republicans don't believe in helping those who need it.
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2012, 07:22 AM
You say that as if Republicans don't believe in helping those who need it.
Romney said, "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him [not my niece and sil], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…[not my niece and sil]"
Neither of them want to be medicated or improve their lives, are content to milk the system, and both will vote for Romney. Wonder what their lives will be like in a year if he wins.
tomder55
Sep 18, 2012, 07:30 AM
And I don't think Romney was writing them off . How many of the 47% wish they could find a job that paid enough so that they would be paying taxes? Is it the position here that the 47% prefer to vote for someone who wants them to remain in dependency ?
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2012, 07:31 AM
How many of the 47% are white Republicans?
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 07:31 AM
What Romney doesn't understand, because he has never experienced it, is misfortune is no respecter of political views. It is clear he considers Republicans the master race, a true born to rule mentality. I grew up with people like him, those who considered themselves part of the elite
While I hold conservative views in some matters, I have never begrudged a genuine unemployed or genuine disadvantaged person the small amount the government gives them. It would do Romney to remember there but for the grace of God go I, or to put it another way in the manner and to the quantum you judge, with this standard will you also be judged
NeedKarma
Sep 18, 2012, 07:32 AM
Is there something about numbers you don't understand?Nope, I'm just astounded as to how they view the system as broken and are ineffectual to fix it. I guess it's not a priority. Which kind of brings us full circle to the original topic.
talaniman
Sep 18, 2012, 07:36 AM
All Romney cares about is unfettered capitalism around the world and lowering his taxes by taking away anything that helps the people caught up in his extractionist approach to life.
He is about money, NOT people, unless you are as rich as he is. He wants his plutocracy to grow, and what else would you expect from a silver spoon, with the golden parachute.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 07:38 AM
Why do you think he wants the Presidentcy, to save the nation. He is certainly not going to save the 47%, he wants to save the 1%
talaniman
Sep 18, 2012, 07:42 AM
That's why the world hates us because between the bombs blowing them up, and the businessmen who exploit them, its no wonder they are ready to throw rocks.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 07:50 AM
At last an american who understands, there is hope for you yet
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 08:01 AM
Nope, I'm just astounded as to how they view the system as broken and are ineffectual to fix it. I guess it's not a priority. Which kind of brings us full circle to the original topic.
Again, is there something about numbers you don't understand? That and what the lefties here like to whine about, obstruction. You just want to paint conservatives (which is not necessarily the same thing as Republicans) as ineffectual. If we don't have the numbers we can't get past the roadblocks to reform now can we?
And if you want to talk about ineffectual just look at the unemployment rate and the price of gas. Oh wait, Obama wanted gas prices to "necessarily skyrocket" so I'd say he was effective in doing just that. Doesn't help the guy looking for a job fill his gas tank but he got his high gas prices.
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 08:04 AM
All Romney cares about is unfettered capitalism around the world and lowering his taxes by taking away anything that helps the people caught up in his extractionist approach to life.
He is about money, NOT people, unless you are as rich as he is. He wants his plutocracy to grow, and what else would you expect from a silver spoon, with the golden parachute.
He says about a guy who took no pay as governor.
NeedKarma
Sep 18, 2012, 08:10 AM
If we don't have the numbers we can't get past the roadblocks to reform now can we?
So the liberals have blocked you for 60 years??
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 08:36 AM
Did you miss the conjunction in there, too?
NeedKarma
Sep 18, 2012, 09:25 AM
ODGA7ssL-6g
tomder55
Sep 18, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jack Sheldon... what a voice ! But this is his best 'School House Rock ' video.
Schoolhouse Rock - I'm Just a Bill (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7266360872513258185)
TUT317
Sep 18, 2012, 02:20 PM
It hasn't been conservatives dumbing down the population for the last 60 years. All those good intellectual progressives are the ones that have been fighting tooth and nail to keep our children in the grip of a failed public education system.
It's far worse in my opinion, for politicians to promote the idea that we don't know what's best for us, that we can only achieve our full potential with the government's help, that government can engineer the individual a la Julia (http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/) as the "elite intellectuals" arrogantly think they must do.
Hi Steve,
Do you think that an anti-intellectual approach to education is the answer?
If you think that your education system is a failure then you will need to look farther afield than just 'progressive education' or 'regressive education'.
Tutl
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 02:38 PM
Hi Steve,
Do you think that an anti-intellectual approach to education is the answer?
If you think that your education system is a failure then you will need to look farther afield than just 'progressive education' or 'regressive education'.
Tutl
Tut,
Finding certain aspects of intellectualism troublesome does not preclude my support for intellectual pursuits.
Steve
talaniman
Sep 18, 2012, 03:15 PM
So what should the kids be taught?
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 03:46 PM
Start with respect, self discipline and the other studies will fall into place. You have to make it meaningful to their daily lives then they will want to learn. School starts with the idea that they are preparing students for higher studies, so the few get the benefit and the many fall by the wayside, start teaching children manual skills at an early age, there can be less emphasis as the child matures
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 04:21 PM
So what should the kids be taught?
To think for themselves and challenge the drivel that's regurgitated to them every day for starters.
talaniman
Sep 18, 2012, 04:26 PM
I say start with a safe secure school with many programs to address the children's individual needs, and a balance curriculum. These are kids, they have to be nurtured until they graduate as well as taught.
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2012, 05:42 PM
I say start with a safe secure school with many programs to address the childrens individual needs, and a balance ciriculum. These are kids, they have to be nurtured until they graduate as well as taught.
Safe, OK. Secure, OK. But liberal "nurturing" is why our schools are failing. Parents should nurture, teachers should teach. You have the roles backwards.
talaniman
Sep 18, 2012, 05:51 PM
Parents and teachers have to work together to nurture AND teach. Both have to support each other in the best interest of the child. That's NOT backwards.
The PTA (parents/teachers association) use to be the hub for such cooperative relations.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 08:15 PM
The PTA (parents/teachers association) used to be the hub for such cooperative relations.
Yes Tal until the teachers decided they didn't need PTA "advice"
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2012, 08:33 PM
Yes Tal until the teachers decided they didn't need PTA "advice"
That's because the moms went to work in the late '70s and early '80s, deserting the schools and taking away the volunteer strength. I had kids in 1970 and 1975 and was a school volunteer during the height and then the end of school volunteering. Our school of 275 had 68 mom and dad volunteers doing tutoring, paper grading, lunch and playground monitoring, classroom tutors and mods, art and music volunteer programs, you name it.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2012, 09:55 PM
And what did you get? Schools full of morons with no respect for anything
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
and what did you get? schools full of morons with no respect for anything
Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.
TUT317
Sep 19, 2012, 02:45 AM
Tut,
Finding certain aspects of intellectualism troublesome does not preclude my support for intellectual pursuits.
Steve
That's good to hear.
Going on Santorum's C.V. I would say he has many intellectual pursuits. However, he must think there is some political milage in pushing this anti-intellectual line.
Tut
tomder55
Sep 19, 2012, 04:32 AM
Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .
paraclete
Sep 19, 2012, 04:57 AM
Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.
How's that working out for you?
talaniman
Sep 19, 2012, 05:39 AM
Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .
I couldn't disagree more as it seems a lack of willingness to compromise that's gumming up the works here, and its not the egg heads in Ivy town that say my way, or the highway.
excon
Sep 19, 2012, 05:52 AM
Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .Hello again, tom:
You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite, and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.
Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.
excon
paraclete
Sep 19, 2012, 06:44 AM
Ex stupid is someone who thinks he can succeed without people
speechlesstx
Sep 19, 2012, 07:12 AM
Hello again, tom:
You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite,
That's just plain funny coming from those who supported the collective hissy fit protesting the "1 percent" known as the Occupy movement. I thought disdain for the elite was a good thing.
and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.
Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.
Excon
No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/professor_allegedly_required_students_to_sign_pled ge_to_vote_for_obama_and_democrats.html), argues with their students (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/mark-tapson/%E2%80%9Cobama-is-not-god%E2%80%9D-students-school-a-teacher-about-free-speech/), browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRWcnElKo0) and teach them to sing the praises of Barack (http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/110898/).
Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?
NeedKarma
Sep 19, 2012, 07:33 AM
That's 3 dumb teachers that are Obots, the rest must be conservative. You guys have the advantage actually.
paraclete
Sep 19, 2012, 04:14 PM
No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/professor_allegedly_required_students_to_sign_pled ge_to_vote_for_obama_and_democrats.html), argues with their students (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/mark-tapson/%E2%80%9Cobama-is-not-god%E2%80%9D-students-school-a-teacher-about-free-speech/), browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRWcnElKo0) and teach them to sing the praises of Barack (http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/110898/).
Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?
So the quality of liberty is somewhat strained and this sort of behaviour is a failure of education and those who teach
talaniman
Sep 19, 2012, 05:03 PM
Loonys left and right.The point is..
TUT317
Sep 20, 2012, 04:56 AM
Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .
Hummm. Seems to Operate both ways.
"It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoly on the correct way to structure society and govern it".
A little bit of disdain here, Tom?
Tut
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 05:05 AM
Just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .
NeedKarma
Sep 20, 2012, 05:10 AM
just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .And that's pretty much what the Occupy movement was saying.
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 05:13 AM
What were they looking for ? More government cheese.
excon
Sep 20, 2012, 05:31 AM
what were they looking for ? more government cheese.Hello tom:
We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What?? You LIKE getting ripped off?
excon
NeedKarma
Sep 20, 2012, 05:34 AM
what were they looking for ? more government cheese.
Nope, they believe that those financial elites in the corporate world and the government have a disproportional influence on all matters that have curtailed economic mobility.
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 05:49 AM
Hello tom:
We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What??? You LIKE getting ripped off?
excon
I'm the one who says the banks should've been allowed to fail. So long as the country continues to embrace moral hazard then we will continue to have "banksters".. Want to put people in jail ? How about the public servants who were bribed (hello Frank and Dodd!! ) .
NeedKarma
Sep 20, 2012, 05:59 AM
As long as your country puts wealth as the ultimate prize you will always have this problem.
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 06:01 AM
Nope, they believe that those financial elites in the corporate world and the government have a disproportional influence on all matters that have curtailed economic mobility.
No really... they want government cheese. The moment the President began offering student loan relief ,the movement lost steam. This week was the anniversary of the movement . Where were they ? The news reported "100s" of protesters in NYC . What a joke!
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 06:03 AM
As long as your country puts wealth as the ultimate prize you will always have this problem.
No ,but we will continue to have this problem as long as the government decides winners and losers with tax policy ,law and, regulation .
NeedKarma
Sep 20, 2012, 06:10 AM
No ,but we will continue to have this problem as long as the government decides winners and losers with tax policy ,law and, regulation .
You realize that the problem had been getting worse during the Bush years, right? Housing bubble, McMansions, Hummers, huge line ups on Black Friday, etc. The government made them do it?
tomder55
Sep 20, 2012, 06:16 AM
Yawn... that is the final answer... Bush did it. I have not given Repubics a pass on the direction this country has taken .
NeedKarma
Sep 20, 2012, 06:20 AM
It's been going on for a while, regardless of the administration.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2012, 02:30 PM
It's the system, that marvellous capitalist system that lets the rich take from the poor
talaniman
Sep 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
It's the increasing deregulation that's been going on. More than 30 years and now there is no way the job creators who have made no jobs in America are giving up there cash cow.
Apples new phone will shift millions of dollars to its overseas subsidiary to escape paying taxes in America, after making profits in America. Does this sound like a rigged economic system or what.
That's part of the uncertainty they speak about, whether they will be forced to pay their far shares or NOT!! And make bookoo bucks still while hiding bookoo bucks.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2012, 05:30 PM
Well of course it is transfer pricing has been one of the tax evasion tools for decades and the only one's who have the ability to take advantage of it are multinationals, it should be outlawed it isn't as though the IRS don't have enough statistics on what the profit margin of certain industries is. They talk about flat tax, let's have a flat tax but on corporations as well as individuals, I bet that would get the deficit down how does 20% across the board sound?
talaniman
Sep 20, 2012, 06:19 PM
How about 40% + a 20% swindling fine. But the new trade treaties also call for reporting American business transactions through their banks to the IRS. Previously this has been a closed area between America and foreign banking entities.
And that is part of the uncertainty with the multi nationals, how much loot have they really distributed to safe hiding places around the world. That includes Mitt Romney, our other presidential candidate who has made his loot by showing others how to hide money, and take over assets of other companies, and countries.
Hard to imagine how many trillions are out there.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
I would say there are enough trillions squiralled away by american multinations in foreign places to repay the american debt many times over and of course Romney wants them to have the ability to squirrel more away by strengthening US trade with more trade agreements, which of course is Romneyspeak for offshore accounts and screwing anyone stupid enough to enter into one of these agreements. When I say this know that I speak of my own nation who was stupid enough to fall for it during the Bush era. I don't think I can name a single benefit it has brought us. It hasn't allowed us to sell gas to California or beef to the US, our auto industry is virtually shut out of the US. I tell you what we have; some nice kangaroo meat or crocodile meat you can't grow in the US
talaniman
Sep 20, 2012, 08:55 PM
On March 20, 2007, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service declassified the American crocodile as an endangered species, downgrading its status to "threatened"; the reptile remains protected from illegal harassing, poaching or killing under the federal Endangered Species Act.[33][3
We have alligator meat here Clete, but do you think a President Romney would be looking for hidden loot from rich guys? I sure don't!
Of course he will hide even more.
speechlesstx
Sep 21, 2012, 10:30 AM
yawn ... that is the final answer .... Bush did it. I have not given Repubics a pass on the direction this country has taken .
And the most transparent president evah just lied and blamed Fast & Furious on Bush (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/). Might I also add he thinks the IG report exonerates Holder and he lied about having "released almost all" of the documents (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/20/obama-slammed-on-fast-and-furious-in-spanish-language-tv-interview-shouldnt-you-fire-eric-holder/).
tomder55
Sep 21, 2012, 10:49 AM
The IG testimony to the House Committee sounded to me like he came real close to accusing the White House of stone-walling the investigation and covering up the facts.
paraclete
Sep 21, 2012, 04:39 PM
Nothing like the truth is there Tom
talaniman
Sep 21, 2012, 08:41 PM
By law he couldn't release ALL the documents.
paraclete
Sep 21, 2012, 11:36 PM
Yeah we know national security and all that jazz, look it's on a need to know basis and you just don't need to know. Who knows it maybe their plan to take over Mexico by destabilising it
talaniman
Sep 22, 2012, 09:40 AM
Actually the law says ongoing investigations are not subject to public release. Its to eliminate politisizing be either party and tainting the investigations of the DOJ!
Surprisingly(?) all the subjects of Darrell Issas congressional probes have been exonerated and cleared. Maybe he would do better if his partisan witch hunts became BI partisan. Mexico has a gang problem sure enough, but is hardly destabilized.
excon
Sep 22, 2012, 10:47 AM
Hello again,
Speaking as a fellow who DOESN'T believe Fast & Furious was a conspiracy perpetrated by Obama so he could confiscate all the guns during his second term, I don't get the fascination you have with this situation... The outcome was tragic, but it was a low level operation from the git go...
Then again, if I DID believe that stuff, then it would have much broader implications, like you think it does... Does your indignation stem from that belief?
excon
tomder55
Sep 22, 2012, 12:19 PM
You sound like the Nixonians... what was the Watergate ? "third-rate burglary," ? Had the Holder Justice Dept been up front about it then perhaps it wouldn't have become the scandal it has become . Doesn't the families of Agents Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata deserve to know the truth ?
talaniman
Sep 22, 2012, 12:26 PM
The conspiracy truth of Issa, or the IG report?
tomder55
Sep 22, 2012, 03:12 PM
IG Horowitz confirmed Thursday to a House panel that Obama's White House obstructed his investigation .
paraclete
Sep 22, 2012, 06:32 PM
Some of these things come down to who's the boss, and who's witch hunt you are supporting.
cdad
Sep 22, 2012, 07:16 PM
By law he couldn't release ALL the documents.
Which law would that really be?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html
Or is this one better for you ?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/11/u-s-seals-court-records-border-patrol-s-murder/
Or was it maybe this one ?
http://visiontoamerica.com/4599/democrats-introduce-legislation-to-seal-obamas-presidential-records/
cdad
Sep 22, 2012, 07:17 PM
IG Horowitz confirmed Thursday to a House panel that Obama’s White House obstructed his investigation .
http://roblorinov.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/coverup-obama-admin-seals-records-of-murdered-border-patrol-agent-implicated-in-fast-and-furious-the-weekly-standard/
talaniman
Sep 23, 2012, 10:15 AM
You didn't mention the protection of the federal informants in any of those articles that are NOT the law.
?Fast and Furious? Linked to Immunity Deal Between U.S. and Sinaloa Cartel, Trafficking Defendant Alleges in Court Papers | CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fast-and-furious-linked-immunity-deal-between-us-and-sinaloa-cartel-trafficking)
Nevertheless, the U.S. government last September filed a motion to invoke the Classified Information Procedures Act, which is aimed at assuring that national security information stemming from criminal cases – such as details associated with CIA operations – are not leaked to the public during court proceedings.
Classified Information Procedures Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_Information_Procedures_Act)