Hello:

No candidate has ever won the presidency WITHOUT winning Ohio.

Did you know that 6% of Ohioans think (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf) Romney is MORE responsible for killing Ben Laden than Obama is? If Romney could work on THAT segment of the population he's got a chance.


Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the
Killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?

Barack Obama... 63%
Mitt Romney... 6%

Silly Republicans.

Excon

Obumbo will win only with the DNC get out the vote program at all the cemeteries in the state... thats why they oppose ID requirements, because its too hard for dead people to get an ID.

thats why they oppose ID requirements, because its too hard for dead people to get an ID.Hello smoothy:

You know they DO require an ID to register (https://vhd.overseasvotefoundation.org/unified/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&group=ohio&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=1157&departmentid=7&nav=0,53). If dead people can get by the registrar, that ain't the Democrats fault.

excon

Do you remember Michael Dukakis? He was up 17 points at this time... did he win?

Silly Republicans? Silly Ohioans, the sample was mostly libs and moderates and 31% aren't sure who is responsible for killing bin Laden.

I grew up near Ohio... the entire state is an armpit. Always was, never changed either. In fact isn't their state mascot a hairy armpit?

I'd be concerned if the polling was the last week of October .

No candidate has ever won the presidency WITHOUT winning Ohio... since JFK.. Ohio has gone to every winner since ;and no REPUBLICAN has ever won without Ohio.

Here is JFK's electoral map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/ElectoralCollege1960.svg/800px-ElectoralCollege1960.svg.png

Is the red in the middle of the map indicative of the rust belt

No Michigan,the heart of the rust belt is #20 . Illinois ,home of the crypt voters in 1960 is #27 also a blue state .This year as in years before the Democrat boats will cross the river Styx and summon their corpse constituency to do their duty .

Pennsylvania 32 West Virginia 8,and upstate NY 45 , all part of the rust belt , are all blue on the map.

Perhaps there is significance in that, the impact of an economic downturn falling more heavily on democratic voters. I expect jobs get created in other places by those republican business men investing their wealth in jobs

Or perhaps it's mismanagement of those states by the Democrat machines that drives business away.

Hello again,

Did you see the Sunday shows? Romney and Ryan were all tied up in knots... They looked, frankly, STUPID... The answers to the questions were OFF the wall.. Even Republicans want to know WHAT loopholes they're going to close, and they WON'T say...

That's a recipe for disaster...

Look.. I don't know WHY the Republicans wanted to run a guy they really don't like, but THIS is the cost... Obama in a landslide.

excon

Hello again,

Did you see the Sunday shows?? Romney and Ryan were all tied up in knots... They looked, frankly, STUPID... The answers to the questions were OFF the wall.. Even Republicans want to know WHAT loopholes they're going to close, and they WON'T say...

That's a recipe for disaster...

Look.. I dunno WHY the Republicans wanted to run a guy they really don't like, but THIS is the cost... Obama in a landslide.

exconI think Obama looks stupid every time he gets on camera and starts to lie... which is every time he opens his mouth.

So now you tell me the choice is between dumb and dumber

Hello again,

Did you see the Sunday shows? Romney and Ryan were all tied up in knots... They looked, frankly, STUPID... The answers to the questions were OFF the wall.. Even Republicans want to know WHAT loopholes they're going to close, and they WON'T say...

That's a recipe for disaster...

Look.. I don't know WHY the Republicans wanted to run a guy they really don't like, but THIS is the cost... Obama in a landslide.

Excon

And Obama and Biden are such sharp guys...


At a campaign event in Kissimmee, Fla. Obama said (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/09/obama-gaffes-claims-three-proud-words-are-made-in-the-usa/#ixzz26AP0GjBT) if voters re-elect him over GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, he’ll push to see “three proud words” on products around the world: “Made in the USA.”

That's four words, like Biden's 3 letter word "jobs."


President Obama told author Bob Woodward that he didn't know Rep. Paul Ryan was going to attend at a major speech he delivered last year on spending and debt, and says in retrospect that it was "a mistake" to dress down Ryan and his budget plans to his face in that setting.

In the interview conducted July 11 -- about a month before Ryan was tapped as Mitt Romney's running mate – the president also misstated the first name of the man who is now on the opposing presidential ticket.

"I'll say it – I think that I was not aware when I gave that speech that Jack Ryan was going to be sitting right there (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-bob-woodward-mistake-dress-paul-ryan-face/story?id=17171273#.UE86nK5ZjKd)," the president told Woodward according to audio transcripts of their conversations, provided to ABC News.

Um, that would be Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee Chair and VP candidate.


On the campaign trail, President Obama is constantly talking about the importance of technology, but he met his match in an iPhone (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/9/tech-challenge-obama-has-trouble-iphone/#ixzz26ARn9LUl)Sunday.

The president had stopped at a campaign office in Port St. Lucie, Fla. to thank volunteers. Then, for the cameras, Mr. Obama was supposed to call two campaign workers who were out working on his behalf.

But when White House trip director Marvin Nicholson handed the president his personal iPhone, Mr. Obama couldn't get it to work. A reporter who witnessed the scene said the president looked "befuddled."

"It's not clear he knows how to dial on an iPhone," the reporter wrote in a pool report.

Oh, and the WaPo/ABC poll (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-and-romney-close-in-poll-among-likely-voters/2012/09/10/e57318ea-fb79-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html) shows the race about even among likely voters with Romney up 11 with independents.

Hello again, Steve:

This isn't about stupidity.. It's about a strategy. The Romney/Ryan STRATEGY is stupid. Oh, if it WORKED, it wouldn't be stupid, but it's NOT working.

Look.. What EVERYBODY thought when Ryan was picked, and that includes MOST Republicans, is that we were going to get some DETAIL... That is, after all, what Paul Ryan was known for. He was a straight shooting wonky guy who walked the conserve walk..

Then in his FIRST interview, he got tongue tied, and looked ANYTHING but like the guy he WAS.

excon

Personally I think the ticket is backwards, but there's a long way to go yet.

Personally I think the ticket is backwards, but there's a long way to go yet.Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh... It's OVER.. And you said why. Romney is NOT the guy Republicans WANT. That's WHY you're not going to get him.

Obama in a landslide.

excon

Not going to happen... there isn't that many stupid and uneducated people to make that mistake a second time.

Not going to happen...there isn't that many stupid and uneducated people to make that mistake a second time.Hello smoothy:

IF you'da run a WINNER, that would be so.. And, you're right... Obama is EMINENTLY beatable - but by a WINNER - NOT by Romney... You HAVE winners too... Mitch Daniels, Rob Portman, Jeb Bush, Chris Christy, and others... But, NOOOOO... You decided to run a LOSER instead. I don't know why.

Obama in a landslide.

excon

Romney is being groomed for the debates. Wonder if they will become his saving grace.

Romney is being groomed for the debates. Wonder if they will become his saving grace.

Romeny is a smart man... he doesn't need a speech writer to program a teleprompter to tell him what to say.

Obama doesn't do well without a teleprompter... and has been known to put his foot in his mouth in such cases... The Joe the Plumber incident being just one.

I don't know the outcome... but I'm sure there won't be a landslide one way or the other . The pollsters are trying to say that the modest bump the President got after the convention will be enough to cover the Prez because there are not that many undecided . But if the Prez gets a couple more economic reports like he got Friday..?

Tom

What is the matter with you guys, you got a report on employment that says there is growth and that Obama is doing as well coming out of a recession as others have done and you still whine about how it isn't enough. Tell that to your job creators who are hanging on to their money.

This is the worse 'recovery ' in the post-WWII era . The employment numbers are a deceptive joke . 4 times as many people left the work force than found jobs last month. The unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for work. If the same # of people were in the work force as were in when the recession started ,the unemployment rate would be over 11% . That is what we get for 31/2 years and over a $ trillion in wasted stimulus spending .

Your populace would not call that a good job .Why do you call it a good job here ? NOBODY here thinks the employment report was positive . The only thing in his favor is no matter what he does. it's Bush's fault in the minds of the Obots .

Tom

What is the matter with you guys, you got a report on employment that says there is growth and that Obama is doing as well coming out of a recession as others have done and you still whine about how it isn't enough. Tell that to your job creators who are hanging on to their money.

No we didn't... the numbers of people needing work as they graduate and reach adulthood GREW many times that, plus it did not account for the number of actual people with a job DECREASING... so even without that contraction... its still really a negative number not a positive one... All those numbers can be Googled on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.

The number quoted by Obama is a statistically fudged number... it doesn't reflect the ACTUAL number of unemployed... only those who actually still qualify for unemployment benefits...

Recent grads without work... don't qualify... those who have exhausted their benefits don't qualify, Independent contractors and everyone else that self employed that don't have jobs don't count... that's why the number Obama used is essentially a worthless number.

But if the Prez gets a couple more economic reports like he got Friday ...............????????????Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... The Friday job numbers SUCKED and Obama's popularity went UP... The economy has already been discounted by the electorate.. It's about OTHER stuff right now... I don't know what.

Ok, yes I do. It's about the competence of the Romney/Ryan ticket... He's really blowing it.. On Sunday he said he LIKED the good parts of Obamacare and is going to KEEP them... On Sunday night, the campaign said Romney didn't know what he was talking about... On Friday, Ryan said he believed the states had the right to make medical marijuana LEGAL. On Saturday, the campaign said Ryan didn't know what he was talking about...

So, I'll bet Republicans, along with the rest of us, wonder exactly what the Romney/Ryan ticket believes... In my view, THAT, and that alone is what's making Obama's numbers go UP, and it's getting WORSE every day.

Obama in a landslide...

excon

this is the worse 'recovery ' in the post-WWII era . The employment numbers are a deceptive joke . 4 times as many people left the work force than found jobs last month. The unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for work. If the same # of people were in the work force as were in when the recession started ,the the unemployment rate would be over 11% . That is what we get for 31/2 years and over a $ trillion in wasted stimulus spending .

Your populace would not call that a good job .Why do you call it a good job here ? NOBODY here thinks the employment report was positive . The only thing in his favor is no matter what he does., it's Bush's fault in the minds of the Obots .

Tom there are some fundamentals here you are in deniel about, growth in employment has nothing to do with unemployment persee, two different things. Your employers exported the jobs to China, therefore recovery will be slow because lots of that stimulus money actually goes to pay for imports so what you have been saying is that there are less people employed now than there used to be.That might be so for a number of reasons but unlikely that the OBama policies caused it.The statistics show that the number of discouraged workers has decreased in the past year. They also show your manufacturing industries are letting the side down, so the tax cuts as an incentive to increasing employment hasn't worked, however employment in fast food has increased so you can look forward to a junk food led recovery

You want to say that the US performance wouldn't be acceptable here, but we went through this twenty years ago and are now on the other side. We have continual reports of layoffs and companies folding, but no one has got up the government and said you are lying about the statistics. We acknowledge that recovery takes time and things change, we adapt and we don't take away unemployment benefits while we do it

Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks so they can make the other half look bad, so they can take over government again and give the new president and all their donors trillions more cash.

Our recession was over a few years ago actually. Its big business holding down the economy waiting for the rest of the loot dragging down the economy.

Don't worry its almost over.

What is almost over Tal? You drill down in your statistics and you find, surprise, surprise, unemployment is highest among the lesser educated, the blacks, and the hispanics. What does this tell us? The cannon fodder industries that used to employ these people are no longer there. Whatever recovery is to be made has been made, now you need new industries to employ those who haven't got a job and you need them spread all over the country, fat chance. You might as well reinstitute conscription and put the army to work on community projects, that would clean up the unemployment statistics, because what's going to happen when those troops come home from Afghanistan, you will get a bounce in unemployment

Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines Yeah ! Why doesn't the Senate do it's job ?

Our recession was over a few years ago actually. True and we should've had a V recovery instead of the flat recovery we are seeing (threatening to go into double dip ala FDR's failed policies ) .

Now yesterday ,foreign policy enters the arena with our Ambassador to Libya being butchered by the people we helped liberate ;our embassy in Cairo attacked ,the flag shredded ,and the State Dept apologizing to the murderous jihadists on the anniversary of 9-11 . This President's conversion to Jimmy Carter redux complete.

Ok now you have an excuse for a war on islam or arabs or something, will it start in Syria or be confined to those misguided people in Libya or Egypt who just want to think what they think and do what they do, not freedom by american standards. But then we can't all be perfect can we? OH ! We love shock an awe let's reduce Cairo to rubble, Tripoli to rubble, oh I forgot you have already done that, never mind there is always Bengazi, Demascus will be next, Because they have WMD don't you know

I suppose Red Julia would also adopt an appeaser policy too if your ambassador was murdered .

No I don't expect she would, however I can't see us razing a city or two, gunboat diplomacy isn't our sTyle. What has happened is regretable, deplorable, despicable, however when you sup with the devil, and make no mistake, I consider islam the devil, you are apt to get burned

Yeah ! Why doesn't the Senate do it's job ?Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

excon

Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

Excon

You know even Democrats have complained about Obama's lack of leadership (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-gaps-president-obamas-leadership-contributed-debt/story?id=17183930#.UFCQK67pzKc). Leading from behind isn't being a leader.


"Gaps" in President Obama's leadership contributed to the collapse of a "grand bargain" on spending and debt last year, with the president failing to cultivate congressional relationships that may have helped him break through Republican opposition, author Bob Woodward told ABC News' Diane Sawyer.

Woodward's reporting in his new book, "The Price of Politics," reveals a president whom he said lacked the "stamina" in turning personal relationships with congressional leaders into action the way some of his predecessors have done.

"President Clinton, President Reagan. And if you look at them, you can criticize them for lots of things. They by and large worked their will," Woodward told Sawyer."On this, President Obama did not."

"Now, some people are going to say he was fighting a brick wall, the Republicans in the House and the Republicans in Congress. Others will say it's the president's job to figure out how to tear down that brick wall. In this case, he did not."

Not only did he fail on this collapse but as I've said many times lately he started the war...


Woodward places particular blame for the failure to reach a deal with Obama, writing that the seeds of discord were planted early in his administration. He displayed "two sides" of his personality in early meetings with congressional leaders, Woodward said.

"There's this divided-man quality to President Obama always. Initially he meets with the congressional leaders, he says you know, 'We're going to be accommodating, we're going to listen, we're going to talk, we're going to compromise," Woodward said.

"But then they -- Republicans ask some questions and challenge him a little bit and he says, 'Look I won. I'm in charge here,' " Woodward continued. "And the Republicans feel totally isolated and ostracized. And this was the beginning of a war."

I say it's more than two sides to Obama, the man wants to be king.

I say it's more than two sides to Obama, the man wants to be king.Hello again, Steve:

I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's shown leadership, and I've not been shy about saying that... However, there is one reason to vote for Obama. In my view, Roe v Wade is just one right wing Supreme Court Justice from being overturned...

A vote for Obama would PREVENT that, of course. The king in a landslide..

excon

Obama's lack of leadership

the man wants to be king.

So which one is it?

The righty's will complain no matter what he does so it just becomes background white noise after a while.

Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course.... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

excon

Harry Ried is the true obstructionist... thinking he is a Mini-Emporor and deciding what will and what won't get seen by anyone else in the Senate...

Face up to the reality... how did someone who's never had a real job and was poor when he first got elected get to be one of the richest men in Washington on the pay of a senator?

Hello again, Steve:

I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's shown leadership, and I've not been shy about saying that... However, there is one reason to vote for Obama. In my view, Roe v Wade is just one right wing Supreme Court Justice from being overturned...

A vote for Obama would PREVENT that, of course. The king in a landslide..

excon

I'm not a one issue person like you and the Dems at their abortionpalooza in Charlotte. Personally I don't see a snowball's chance in hell that Roe will ever be overturned. It's a done deal so why worry about it?

I mean seriously ex, Germany is telling the US our debt levels are too high. The Senate (noted over and over) hasn't even BOTHERED with coming up with a budget in over three years. We just topped a trillion dollar deficit for the fourth time. Unemployment has been over 8 percent forever and the religionists of perpetual outrage are in a fury again.

Why are all your marbles on abortion? Are you kidding me?

Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Obama's lack of leadership


Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The man wants to be king.


So which one is it?

There is no contradiction. A leader leads, a king decrees.

Why are all your marbles on abortion? Are you kidding me?Hello again, Steve:

I got some marbles on the drug war too, you know.

Look. I don't know WHY you think right wingers WOULDN'T overturn Wade IF they could.. YOU certainly would. A Constitutional challenge won't come through the presidency. It won't come through the legislature.. They can all throw up their hands and claim innocence. It'll come from a simple appeal in a lower court that works its way to the Supreme Court... And, when it gets there, you're telling me that 6 right wing Supreme Court Justices will vote to UPHOLD Roe??

Please, please send me some of that dope you're smoking...

Yes, a 6 person right wing court will do a lot of damage BESIDES women's issues. But, that's enough for now.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I got some marbles on the drug war too, ya know.

Look. I dunno WHY you think right wingers WOULDN'T overturn Wade IF they could.. YOU certainly would. A Constitutional challenge won't come through the presidency. It won't come through the legislature.. They can all throw up their hands and claim innocence. It'll come from a simple appeal in a lower court that works its way to the Supreme Court... And, when it gets there, you're telling me that 6 right wing Supreme Court Justices will vote to UPHOLD Roe???

Please, please send me some of that dope you're smoking...

Yes, a 6 person right wing court will do a lot of damage BESIDES women's issues. But, that's enough for now.

excon

Far less damage than a 6 persom left wing court would do... where the constitution and bill or Rights would be disposed of in the sppirit of their activist oppression..

Far less damage than a 6 persom left wing court would do....Hello again, smoothy:

And, that's WHY I concentrate on the court... They'll have MUCH more power than either president will, and for a whole lot longer too.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I got some marbles on the drug war too, you know.

Look. I don't know WHY you think right wingers WOULDN'T overturn Wade IF they could.. YOU certainly would.. .

Please, please send me some of that dope you're smoking...

Like I said, Ryan left it up to the states. I believe it's Obama that's shutting down dispensaries.

Otherwise, you don't know me very well in spite of years of discussions on this. I would not try to overturn Roe, I think it would be a wasted effort. I would much rather just see to it that taxpayers aren't paying for abortions, that Planned Parenthood and their cohorts play by the rules without subverting parents wishes, and do all I could to persuade women to have their baby and if needed assist them during their pregnancy AND after birth and actually accomplish what PP feigns doing, make abortion rare.

I don't know how anyone could argue with that and then we could end this silly war.


Yes, a 6 person right wing court will do a lot of damage BESIDES women's issues. But, that's enough for now.

Sigh... you really think we want them barefoot, pregnant and cooking our meals and cleaning house and walking 3 steps behind us? I believe that's the Islamist view of women, not ours.

Like I said, Ryan left it up to the states. I believe it's Obama that's shutting down dispensaries.Hello again, Steve:

Ryan changed his mind after he got a call from Romney.. Now, it's a gateway drug and will NEVER be legal... At least for the moment...

I'm GLAD to see that you're a reasonable right wing fellow... But, you'll forgive me for NOT thinking the same of your fellow right wingers...

excon

Ryan didn't change his mind, he said before and he said after that his personal position was not to legalize it, just like Obama's personal belief is he is against gay marriage. He never retracted his let the states decide portion that I'm aware of, just re-emphasized the personal preference he already stated.

You might want to hold off on that landslide thing, Romney is up by 7 on the economy (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) and 1 overall according to today's daily Rassmussen. There's a ways to go yet and if this Islamist eruption things keeps on, Barack Carter who skipped his post-assassination intel briefing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-obama-alone-this-president-does-not-need-intel-briefers/2012/09/13/c11e1a52-fda5-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html)to go have some Vegas fundraising fun is in trouble.

Hello again,

UPDATE... Obama is winning Ohio, Virginia, AND Florida..

Obama in a LANDSLIDE.

excon

PS> Here's the rub... Those state are run by Republican governors, and their economies are doing very well... Obama is getting the credit... Whoda thunk THAT?

Ryan didn't change his mind, Hello again, Steve:

He flip flopped on his POSITION. THAT'S what counts. Who cares what's in his little mind?

First off, it was up to the STATES... Then it wasn't... Voters noticed that even if you didn't.

excon

He said he believes it shouldn't be legal twice, before and after the states rights comment. That's not a flip flop.

Regardless, don't get too excited over your polls today, they don't reflect the last few days. And if there's any truth to the report that we had credible info on the Libya assault 48 hours prior (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html) and didn't act on it, that's another bump in the road. If the media actually reports on it that is.

Not to mention the EPA email (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/09/epa-email-kicks-off-hispanic-heritage-month-with-a-che-guevara-pic.html#storylink=cpy) to celebrate Hispanic Heritage month bearing a pic of that good ol' Marxist that Cuban-Americans love, Che Guevara.

Obama's having a rough week.

I guess you could find a poll that has a majority of people believing in Alien abductions... if you skew the people polled and what and how they are asked far enough.

Obama's still having a rough time, his clueless tools are attacking Romney's credibility via the world's largest propaganda machine (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/stephanie-cutter-uses-communist-propaganda-outlet-hit-romney_652330.html), the official Chinese news agency Xinhua.

As one headline put it, "Team Obama brings you all the news Communist China sees fit to print."

And you want these dufuses to remain in power? Or is it dufi?

Hard to believe there is a larger propaganda machine than al-AP . Today it was revealed that they disclosed the name of the man who made that silly video trailer about Mohammed ;and get this... they got that info from a "source " in the Justice Dept. Best guess is that the Holder Gang is investigating to see if the guy committed a crime by making a YouTube video trailer . Expect him to soon get the Theo VanGogh treatment.

True, tom, al-AP may have them beat.

More good news for Obama, we've been downgraded (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49037337) - again.

The fed wouldn't have to act if the congress had been doing their job instead of playing politics for 4 years.

S&P Downgrades US Credit Rating | Care2 Causes (http://www.care2.com/causes/sp-downgrades-us-credit-rating.html)


In the announcement S&P laid out blame squarely on the dysfunction in Washington, paying specific attention to the use of the debt ceiling as a partisan bargaining chip.

The U.S. long-term credit forecast was also negative, but with one bright spot. Let the Bush tax cuts lapse, the report said, and the debt dynamics should change enough to stabilize the long-term rate at AA+.

Raising interest rates on struggling consumers and state and local governments at the same time drastic programmatic funding cuts take place is precisely the thing to drive this country back into a deep recession. Which, given the statements by Republican leadership, looks more and more intentional.


Read more: S&P Downgrades US Credit Rating | Care2 Causes (http://www.care2.com/causes/sp-downgrades-us-credit-rating.html#ixzz26V8J5Ulj)

That was a year ago,and what's been done since? Abortion bills and jaw jacking. So now we have a fast approaching fiscal cliff, so no wonder we get downgraded yet again. What would you expect when nothing was done after the first down grade?

More good news for Obama, we've been downgraded (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49037337) - again.Hello again, Steve:

I got a pimple on my a$$. That damn Romney!

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I got a pimple on my a$$. That damn Romney!

excon

Buy gold... the price is about to 'inflate' big time. And take advantage of every other commodity bubble like oil.

The fed wouldn't have to act if the congress had been doing their job instead of playing politics for 4 years.

S&P Downgrades US Credit Rating | Care2 Causes (http://www.care2.com/causes/sp-downgrades-us-credit-rating.html)



That was a year ago,and whats been done since? Abortion bills and jaw jacking. So now we have a fast approaching fiscal cliff, so no wonder we get downgraded yet again. What would you expect when nothing was done after the first down grade?

I don't put much stock in what Care2 thinks. You do know Obama had the house and Senate for two of those four years, and the Democrat-controlled Senate hasn't even bothered to think about a budget for tree of those four years. Yeah, it's all Republican's fault. Lol.

You do know Obama had the house and Senate for two of those four years,Hello again, Steve:

I've been hearing that bunk from your side for years... It's time to put an end to it... You APPEAR to say that since Obama CONTROLLED the government, he could have done ANYTHING he pleased. But, because things are still broken, it's obviously his fault.

Your assertion is just not true. Here's what Republican Tom Coburn says (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/?p=HoldingSpending)about it.


A hold may be placed for any reason and can be lifted by a Senator at any time. A Senator may place a hold simply to review a bill, to negotiate changes to the bill, or to kill the bill. A bill can be held for as long as the Senator who objects to the bill wishes to block its consideration.

Now you know.

Excon

Why don't you put the blame where it lies Benanke, it would be easier for the US to assume all the sub prime debt than stuff around this way. In order for money to flow someone has to want to borrow and spend, this latest attempt is putting faith in an investment led recovery, good luck with that in an economy that has excess capacity. What he is doing is devaluing the dollar so US goods will become as cheap as China's, you know what goes with that? Chinese wages, conditions like those in Pakistan where hundreds died in a factory fire, the US is rapidly becoming a fourth world country.

I'll let you into a secret, I won't be buying US goods because they are cheap, I will buy locally produced goods

That garbage about Republic obstruction is totally debunked by Bob Woodward in his new book.

Clete I agree.
QEIII is an outrageous and irresponsible action taken by the Fed ;and a tacit admission that the Keynesian pump priming theories of the Obots has been a complete failure.

That garbage about Republic obstruction is totally debunked by Bob Woodward in his new book.

No it wasn't. Have you read the book?

“Obama said his plan would include tax cuts, but not only tax cuts. He seemed inclined to compromise. 'Mr. President,' Cantor offered, 'I understand that we have a difference in philosophy on tax policy.' But a massive stimulus package would be too much like 'old Washington,' he said. 'I can go it alone,' the president said, 'but I want to come together. Look at the polls. The polls are pretty good for me right now.' Cantor chuckled and nodded. The polls certainly looked good for Obama now. To Cantor, that meant there would be no easier time to compromise and to disappoint some on the left. As he listened, Obama's tone seemed to change. 'Elections have consequences,' the president said. 'And Eric, I won.' On the table, some copies of the one-page document called 'House Republican Economic Recovery Plan' lay where Cantor had put them. 'So on that, I think I trump you,' Obama said.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, p. 14)

“The House vote was 244-188. All 177 Republicans had voted against it. 'Not even one?' Emanuel said to Cantor. 'What's going no?' 'You really could've gotten some of our support,' Cantor said. 'You just refused to listen to what we were saying.' Cantor might have admired Obama's self-assuredness-the confidence, the smooth articulation and eloquence-but the president had taken it too far, to the point of 'arrogance,' he said. Obama had demonstrated that he believed he didn't need any other input. The Republicans were outsiders, outcasts.The president and the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate would go it alone. There was no compromise.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politicpp. 21-22)
“'It's a bipartisan bill,” the President insisted, listing elements he assumed Cantor's caucus would support. 'Republicans like business expensing. They like bonus depreciation.' Cantor resented Obama's presumption that he knew what Republicans wanted, and what their priorities were, without consulting them.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, p. 17)
“Ryan's presence at the George Washington University speech fundamentally changed the public and media perception of what the White House had hoped would be a major budget moment. Instead of reshaping the debate, the speech widened the partisan divide. The contrast between the cool bipartisan talk at the White House in the morning and the attack on the Republicans was stark. Ryan felt betrayed. He'd expected an olive branch. What he got was the finger.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, p. 106)
“Back at the Capitol, Ryan took a call from Alan Simpson. 'I'm going to throw up in the tulips,' Simpson said. The president's words and demeanor, he said, were way over the line. Then Erskine Bowles called. 'I was disgusted,' the longtime Democrat said. 'I couldn't believe that he did that. And I'm going to talk to the president about it.' He said he was apologizing. 'It's not your fault,' Ryan replied. 'You don't need to apologize for anything.'” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, p. 106)
“The $800 billion stimulus bill of new spending and additional tax cuts, introduced on January 26, was the first bill of the new Congress and the Obama administration. It was called, appropriately, H.R. 1, and it contained not one proposal from Eric Cantor and his conservative Republican group. The bill was drafted by the Democrats and whenever any Republicans tried to make changes, Emanuel's response was, more often than not, 'We have the votes. F— 'em.' This was the bulldozing that Obama had promised to avoid.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, p. 16)

From what I read Tom the stick is after all that negotiating, and the repubs got what they proposed, they voted against it any way. So how is the republicans hurt feelings spin a debunction of the republican obstructionism?

Seems they were going to vote NO, no matter what to me. As my proof I offer their proposal,

House Republican Economic Recovery Plan - GOP.gov (http://www.gop.gov/press-release/09/01/23/house-republican-economic-recovery-plan)

And the final one that was passed,

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009#Com parison_of_the_House.2C_Senate_and_Conference_vers ions)

Or did they vote no to holler about its failure? Like they have on everything that's gone through the congress.

Hello again, Steve:

I've been hearing that bunk from your side for years... It's time to put an end to it... You APPEAR to say that since Obama CONTROLLED the government, he could have done ANYTHING he pleased. But, because things are still broken, it's obviously his fault.

Your assertion is just not true. Here's what Republican Tom Coburn says (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/?p=HoldingSpending)about it.

Now you know.

excon

So what's being held, and where's that Senate budget we haven't seen since 2009?

No it wasn't. Have you read the book?

I posted on this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/obama-winning-ohio-700861-4.html#post3267454) already, too.