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excon
Aug 23, 2012, 07:48 AM
Hello:

Let's assume that there's a Republican romp this fall.. The Democrats can at least BLOCK the right wingers by filibustering EVERYTHING they try. In fact, I'll bet that Senate Minority Leader Reid, will say his upper most objective is to make Romney a one term president...

Won't that be fun?

excon

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 07:51 AM
Don't worry, we can just put it through under reconciliation... the Dems set the precident on that being an acceptable practice a couple years ago.

excon
Aug 23, 2012, 08:01 AM
Don't worry, we can just put it through under reconciliation......the Dems set the precident on that being an acceptible practice a couple years ago.Hello smoothy:

Nahhhh... Won't work.. I don't want to get wonky on you, but a reconciliation bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_%28United_States_Congress%29)can only contain changes in law that are PURSUANT to a budget resolution which must be passed under ordinary senate rules...

excon

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 08:46 AM
Hello smoothy:

Nahhhh... Won't work.. I don't want to get wonky on you, but a reconciliation bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_%28United_States_Congress%29)can only contain changes in law that are PURSUANT to a budget resolution which must be passed under ordinary senate rules...

excon

Didn't stop them doing it with Obamacare... We can repeal Obamacare the very same way.

speechlesstx
Aug 23, 2012, 09:48 AM
Again your short memory is showing. During the Bush years it was not just a tactic, it was a very public mantra by the Dems, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

I also recall one of Obama's first reactions Republicans as president when they tried to work him was, "I won." Nice compromise there.

And yet the American people opposed Obamacare and he rammed it through anyway. Yes I said rammed it through anyway.

Republicans have put forth bill after bill on the budget, the economy, etc. only to have them declared BEFOREHAND they would be DOA in the Senate, that hasn't passed a budget in how many days now?

So in conclusion, the Dems position is clear. "Compromise," "bipartisan" and "progress" mean one thing to them, Republicans need to put aside their ideology, their proposals and get on board with the Dem's agenda without giving it an ounce of rational thought.

Sorry Bub, we're onto you.

tomder55
Aug 23, 2012, 10:01 AM
I'll go under the assumption that a "Republican romp" will include a super-majority in the Senate .

speechlesstx
Aug 23, 2012, 10:56 AM
I'll go under the assumption that a "Republican romp" will include a super-majority in the Senate .

If they'll follow Mrs. O's advice...

Michelle Obama: 'Get to the Polls on November the 2' (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/michelle-obama-get-polls-november-2_650573.html)

tomder55
Aug 23, 2012, 11:12 AM
Lol voter id waived for people who show up at the polls on the 2nd !

... and the big question of the day is... can the President spell 'Potato' ?
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b8/cb/b8cba8f82bbfa19e88f951ebe0a0b5f3.png

http://washingtonexaminer.com/washington-post-mistakenly-debunks-embarrassing-obama-ohio-photo/article/2505627

NeedKarma
Aug 23, 2012, 11:17 AM
What a waste of time and money in your country due to the nasty divisiveness. It's a shame.

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 11:29 AM
Obama created the deviciveness when he played the race card and resorted to using ACORN to commit election fraud... and every day since blaming everything on Bush.

Imagine if everyone else in Canada told the Frenchies to shove a sock in it... how well that would be received.

I seem to remember Canada having a bit of an issue with those guys over the years. Didn't they threaten to form their own country a few years ago?

NeedKarma
Aug 23, 2012, 11:30 AM
Obama created the deviciveness when he played the race card and resorted to using ACORN to commit election fraud....and every day since.
Hahahahahahahhaha! You really think that when it started? LOL! Holy crap, that's partisan thinking my fiend.

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 11:34 AM
Hahahahahahahhaha! You really think that when it started? LOL! Holy crap, that's partisan thinking my fiend.

It's the Platform of the Democrat party... has been for a whole lot of years...

If we put a shaft through the rotted corpse of JFK, we would generate enough electricity to Power the entire Washington DC area because he's spinning in his grave so fast over what the Democrat party has become.

NeedKarma
Aug 23, 2012, 11:37 AM
You are toeing the party line wonderfully - congratulations.

speechlesstx
Aug 23, 2012, 11:41 AM
What a waste of time and money in your country due to the nasty divisiveness. It's a shame.

You can't fool me, you're plagued with the partisan bickering and polarization in Canada as well. Conservatives and Liberals, English Canadians and Québécois. We have the internet you know, you can't sit up there all smug and pretend Canada is above all that because we know that's not true.

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 11:45 AM
You are toeing the party line wonderfully - congratulations.

Which side of the Canadian debaukle are you on... the Frenchie sepratists or the English speaking majority?

NeedKarma
Aug 23, 2012, 11:48 AM
We have nowhere near the attitude you guys have towards "the other side". The political hatred on this board simply because someone is affiliated with a different party is crazy. There are no Canadians doing that to other Canadians here, at all.

I'm a Québécois so you can't school me on that. We don't make a point to prevent the opposition from trying to run the country or province.

But the responses in this thread are perfect examples. It's always attack, attack, attack.

NeedKarma
Aug 23, 2012, 11:50 AM
Which side of the Canadian debaukle are you on...the Frenchie sepratists or the English speaking majority?
Neither... and I'm perfectly bilingual. It's just not that important. I'll take some issues with certain measures that are planning to take but I do like ALL my fellow Canadians, regardless of party affiliation since that means jack-squat to their personality. There are nice people and nasty people of all political affiliations - isn't that true?

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 12:02 PM
Neither...and I'm perfectly bilingual. It's just not that important. I'll take some issues with certain measures that are planning to take but I do like ALL my fellow Canadians, regardless of party affiliation since that means jack-squat to their personality. There are nice people and nasty people of all political affiliations - isn't that true?

I agree you have good and bad people on both sides...

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 12:12 PM
We have nowhere near the attitude you guys have towards "the other side". The political hatred on this board simply because someone is affiliated with a different party is crazy. There are no Canadians doing that to other Canadians here, at all.

I'm a Quebecois so you can't school me on that. We don't make a point to prevent the opposition from trying to run the country or province.

But the responses in this thread are perfect examples. It's always attack, attack, attack.

Well we haven't had a serious attempt for a part of the country to leave since the 18th Century, and thatt didn't go to well for them.

The Frenchies attempt was a lot more recent. If they aren't trying to force they way on everyone up there.. then why have they been forcing everyone to have EVERYTHING in both French and English... (which no doubt costs a huge amount of unessessary money every year) rather than just make the ones who can't speak English... learn english. Which I do believe is a much smaller number.


Yes I think the immigrants and illegals down our side of the border should be forced to learn english too.

speechlesstx
Aug 23, 2012, 12:12 PM
We have nowhere near the attitude you guys have towards "the other side". The political hatred on this board simply because someone is affiliated with a different party is crazy. There are no Canadians doing that to other Canadians here, at all.

I'm a Quebecois so you can't school me on that. We don't make a point to prevent the opposition from trying to run the country or province.

But the responses in this thread are perfect examples. It's always attack, attack, attack.

Good grief, you're the only one calling us names around here and you know me, tom, ex and Tal put the gloves down and go have fun competing in fantasy sports leagues. That's not HATE.

excon
Aug 23, 2012, 12:52 PM
Didn't stop them doing it with Obamacare....We can repeal Obamacare the very same way.Hello again, smoothy:

Uhhh, yeah it did.. They passed the budget resolution WHEN they had the supermajority... It's going to take a supermajority for you to repeal it, and that ain't going to happen...

You're STUCK with Obamacare, and the nation is surely grateful.

excon

smoothy
Aug 23, 2012, 01:07 PM
Hello again, smoothy:

Uhhh, yeah it did.. They passed the budget resolution WHEN they had the supermajority... It's gonna take a supermajority for you to repeal it, and that ain't gonna happen...

You're STUCK with Obamacare, and the nation is surely grateful.

excon

It will be gone on day one when Ronmey takes office by executive order... then we have four years to repeal it by putting a rider on EVERY bit of legislation that goes through.

talaniman
Aug 27, 2012, 09:07 AM
The Bush tax cuts were through reconcilliation, but no amount of lies gimmicks and tricks will have seniors going back to the donut hole, or screwing their kids and grandkids. Even the women are tired of old white guys telling them what to do with their vajayjays.

See you guys at the edge of the cliff.

smoothy
Aug 27, 2012, 09:17 AM
You will cushion our fall at the bottom when we get there since you already made that leap..

speechlesstx
Aug 27, 2012, 09:31 AM
You're STUCK with Obamacare, and the nation is surely grateful.

Excon

I haven't talked to one grateful person so I guess it depends on what you mean by grateful.


Obamacare was supposed to be President Barack Obama’s legacy. But it’s looking like a political millstone. (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/18/v-fullstory/2956860/obamacares-unpopularity-blunts.html#storylink=cpy)

The mammoth and unpopular health insurance overhaul weighed down Democrats in 2010 when Republicans helped turn seniors to their side.

And now Democrats have unexpectedly had to play defense over Obamacare’s Medicare cuts even as Mitt Romney picked Congressman Paul Ryan as a vice-presidential running mate and drew attention to unpopular Republican plans that cap future Medicare spending.

Central to the Republican attack: Obamacare cut $716 billion in anticipated Medicare spending over a decade. Republicans are driving the message home in TV ads and robocalls bashing Democrats.

“This could cost us the election,” Kelly Ward, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s political director wrote in a fundraising email last week. “We have to get the facts out to voters immediately.”

Sounds quite popular to me.

smoothy
Aug 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
D1CK Morris, a famous Democrat and high ranking Clinton Administration official has quite a different take from the Koolaide drinkers on the left...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=-wIfI2whjiM

talaniman
Aug 27, 2012, 10:16 AM
Don't believe anyone on FOX except Shepard Smith!

excon
Aug 27, 2012, 10:24 AM
D1CK Morris, a famous Democrat Hello again, smoothy:

Yeah, Dennis Miller used to be a famous Democrat too, who switched... His jokes aren't funny anymore either. I never trusted switch hitters.. You do?

excon

tomder55
Aug 27, 2012, 10:28 AM
Don't believe anyone on FOX except Shepard Smith!

Not even Alan Colmes ? Geraldo ? Bob Beckel ? Juan Williams ? Not even Mara Laiason ? Mort Kondrache ? Kirsten Powers ?

smoothy
Aug 27, 2012, 11:03 AM
Gee... Morris was THE man to the lefties until he dissagreed with your Messiah.

Funny how the true believers of the false Messiah will believe anything they are told by their false god, and discount EVERYONE else... including their own party members.

Or is even Bill Clinton considered a right winger now that the democrat party has swerved to the far left of even Lenin and Trotski?

talaniman
Aug 27, 2012, 11:15 AM
I have never liked Morris, and the president is not a messiah, just a human that is beset by those determined to undermine him at the expense of the whole country. Had his policies failed on there own without ring wing obstruction, then you would have me on your side.

You don't, because the right wing noise is LOUD, but untrue. Like Ex said, you guys had an agenda from day one... go against anything he proposes, stands for,or suggests. Even when he told congress to get to work, the repubs said NO!!

You think people don't see that, and I think they do!

tomder55
Aug 27, 2012, 11:31 AM
From day one ? McConnell made his comment to Major Garrett in the runup to the 2010 election (Oct 23 ,2010) .
That means the country had already endured 2 years of the failed Obama policy. McConnell's comment was in reaction to the roughshod way the Dems ran the government in 2009 /10.

Note the very next question by Garrett
NJ Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?
McConnell If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him.
The truth is that it has been the White House that has been uncompromising . I don't understand why . Clintoon saw his means to reelection as working with the Republican Congress. As a result ,they got some important work done.

smoothy
Aug 27, 2012, 12:02 PM
I have never liked Morris, and the president is not a messiah, just a human that is beset by those determined to undermine him at the expense of the whole country. Had his policies failed on there own without ring wing obstruction, then you would have me on your side.

You don't, because the right wing noise is LOUD, but untrue. Like Ex said, you guys had an agenda from day one.............................................go against anything he proposes, stands for,or suggests. Even when he told congress to get to work, the repubs said NO!!!

You think people don't see that, and I think they do!

Well OBAMA has had an agenda from day one... and its OBVIOUSLY anti-American.. and anti-anything good.

Obama fancies himself a god and above the law... look at his actions... he's proven it time and time again. He thinks he is some sore of miniEmperor that is above reproach.. and above being questioned and second guessed... and worst of all, doesn't believe in co-equal branches of government.. and views the Constitution and Bill of rights and impeading his pro-communist agenda.

speechlesstx
Aug 27, 2012, 12:04 PM
Even when he told congress to get to work, the repubs said NO!!!

You think people don't see that, and I think they do!

Let's hope the American people don't have such selective vision as you. I've said it many times, the very first time Republicans reached out to Obama his response was "I won." He has maintained that attitude throughout. The House continues to send bills to the Senate and Dingy Harry Reid, who hasn't bothered to attempt to pass a budget in over three years, refuses to consider anything.

Why should Republicans pay any heed to his demands when he has shut them out at every turn, including ramming Obamacare down their throats?