The judge does not think domestic violence matters... The judge could not find anything wrong with me. The judge in the county give childern to the abusers.. Now I have to pay for Child support.. He makes $4,000. More then I do. Pluse his investments and other income. He hit my child and the states attorney will not press charges against him.
I live in VT and need an attorney to help me.. I have very little money. HELP.

The judge does not think domestic violence matters... The judge could not find anything wrong with me. The judge in the county give childern to the abusers.. Now i have to pay for Child support.. He makes $4,000. more then i do. Pluse his investments and other income. He hit my child and the states attorney will not press charges against him.
I live in VT and need an attorney to hlep me.. I have very little money. HELP.


Call the Bar Association in your Country, call the State Bar Association, call any and all law schools in your area.

You lost custody of your children? The father was abusive to you, to the children? You had proof of the abuse and the Judge ignored it?

Call the Bar Association in your Country, call the State Bar Association, call any and all law schools in your area.

You lost custody of your children? The father was abusive to you, to the children? You had proof of the abuse and the Judge ignored it?

What would law students do? Can they argue a case? I live in VT and there are no law schools in our county. I would like the case moved out of orleans county because of the injustice... But it does not seem that VT cares about woman or children. I have contacted groups, legal aid, lawyers, and no one wants to help. I fear if I do not receive help soon my little girl will be hit again. I am at a loss

What would law students do? can they argue a case? I live in VT and there are no law schools in our county. I would like the case moved out of orleans county because of the injustice... But it does not seem that VT cares about woman or children. I have contacted groups, legal aid, lawyers, and no one wants to help. I fear if i do not receive help soon my little girl will be hit again. I am at a loss


Of course a student couldn't argue a case. A law school student could do research, look into the circumstances.

So file a Motion to move the case.

Why is no one interested in this case?

I hate to say this, but maybe no one wants to help because they don't see a case. What proof do you have of the abuse? Are there police records of the domestic violence?

Of course a student couldn't argue a case. A law school student could do research, look into the circumstances.

So file a Motion to move the case.

Why is no one interested in this case?

Thank you... I never thought of that before...
It is a long case. And in vt no one wants to help.. the justice will travel does not travel... Legal aid only help if they know you and there is only one lawyer for the state. I called legal aid to help represent my daughter when her father hit her and they would not.. The pro-bono lawyers they advertise do not do pro-bono work I am told... and the judge is known for not giving child custody to mothers just the abusers... yes every one around knows what this judge does... I can file a complaint alone but it would have been nice if the other woman joined me... I don't blame them because they could loose everything... I am looking up vt statues on child support... Can I take this to the supreme court... If not maybe the news media is my only way... Because I do not want my daughter to end up hating her father and being anger all of her life... I want them to have a good relationship.. but he can't handle his anger...

Thank you... I never thought of that before....
It is a long case. and in vt no one wants to help.. the justice will travel does not travel... Legal aid only help if they know you and there is only one lawyer for the state. I called legal aid to help represent my daughter when her father hit her and they would not.. The pro-bono lawyers they advertise do not do pro-bono work i am told... and the judge is known for not giving child custody to mothers just the abusers... yes every one around knows what this judge does.... I can file a complaint alone but it would have been nice if the other woman joined me... I don't blame them because they could loose everything.... I am looking up vt statues on child support... Can I take this to the supreme court.... If not maybe the news media is my only way.... Because I do not want my daughter to end up hating her father and being anger all of her life... I want them to have a good relationship.. but he can't handle his anger...



Have you tried to transfer to another jurisdiction? You would need an Attorney to work your way through the Court syste, looking towward the Supreme Court, if they'd even agree to hear it.

I have found that women who are afraid do not rush to Court, even to help someone else who is afraid. I both understand and don't understand their concerns.

What are you researching? There are people here who do great research.

I hate to say this, but maybe no one wants to help because they don't see a case. What proof do you have of the abuse? Are there police records of the domestic violence?

I have so much evidance.. I have pictures of my body all black and blue That a Doctor took of me. I have the Doctors notes on my bruses. I went to my primary Doctor 2 1/2 months later and had to have a scan done on the arm to see if there was internal bleending because it hurt so bad. I have witnesses of what my body looked like the day after... He and his family are well known in newport vt. I am not the only one this judge has done this to... Another lady with vido of her partner beating her lost coustody of her child... The judge over turned another lady's custody and gave custody to the father... the first weekend the little girl came back all brused from sholder to arm. Another lady lost custody to her abuser and he ended up abusing the son... so I am not the only one whom this has happened to... The states attonery will not press charges... I wonered why myself... I found out they went to school together...

I have so much evidance.. I have pictures of my body all black and blue That a Doctor took of me. I have the Doctors notes on my bruses. I went to my primary Doctor 2 1/2 months later and had to have a scan done on the arm to see if there was internal bleending because it hurt so bad. I have witnesses of what my body looked like the day after... He and his family are well known in newport vt. I am not the only one this judge has done this to... Another lady with vido of her partner beating her lost coustody of her child... The judge over turned another lady's custody and gave custody to the father... the first weekend the little girl came back all brused from sholder to arm. Another lady lost custody to her abuser and he ended up abusing the son... so I am not the only one whom this has happened to..... The states attonery will not press charges ... I wonered why myself... I found out they went to school together....
I asked other state's attonery would have pressed charges and they said they would have

Have you tried to transfer to another jurisdiction? You would need an Attorney to work your way through the Court syste,, looking towward the Supreme Court, if they'd even agree to hear it.

I have found that women who are afraid do not rush to Court, even to help someone else who is afraid. I both understand and don't understand their concerns.

What are you researching? There are people here who do great research.
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I am out of money... I have spent some were around 22,000 I have clean out my IRA, savings and have nothing left... I just want my little girl safe... and she will not be as long as she is with him.

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I am out of money... i have spent some were around 22,000 i have clean out my IRA, savings and have nothing left... I just want my little girl safe...and she will not be as long as she is with him.


Oh, I get that - what are you researching? Can we give you the benefit of the doubt and assist you?

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I am out of money... I have spent some were around 22,000 I have clean out my IRA, savings and have nothing left... I just want my little girl safe... and she will not be as long as she is with him.[/QUOTE

I am trying to fight the child support I am to pay him...

So you have evidence that you were bruised. But you mentioned nothing about police reports.

You are fighting child support, when you should be fighting custody.

Oh, I get that - what are you researching? Can we give you the benefit of the doubt and assist you?


I think what hurt me from the beginning was the lawyer I had asked for 4,000 a month. I never wanted that.. I plugged into the system of what you might get and it was around 1,000. I was so angry he asked for that amount. All I wanted is what was fair. I had two jobs... cleaning jobs but at least I had two jobs and could work around my daughters pre-school I was looking for a job but in orlean county we have the highest unemployment rate. 3 years later I finely found one.. I could not go back to my old job because that was in burlington and 1 1/2 drive home. And worked crazy hours. (retail Manager) Winter would take me 3 hours on many days. So I think the court thought I was money hungry because of the lawyer I had at the time. When we had 50/50 custody until the trial he paid me $500. No where near the amt that he should have... but OK lived with it... so when I lost custody I was ordered to pay 110. A month. Well I only made 400. A month and had to borrow money from family and friend... ( which will take the rest of my life to pay back) and the court knows this. So they say now by my own admission I make more then what I was before and should pay... since I started my 30 hour job at a bank.. I do not get help from the state and I do not borrow any money from anyone... I am doing this on my own... yes the courts know all of this. So now I have to appeal this and if denied again I then have to go to the supreme court. In the hearing on child support I was my own rep. I was writing down the questions that his lawyer was asking me. The judge was yelling at me to answer. I did but I could not write down the questions fast enough to argue against. So in the end I could not defend myself on the questions she asked. I showed up with a list of job I had applied for and he showed up with 2... he has lots of money and does not need to work. So I have to come up with a good appeal so that if denied again I can go to the supreme court.

So you have evidence that you were bruised. But you mentioned nothing about police reports.

You are fighting child support, when you should be fighting custody.

Right now the child support is on the table... I am trying to find someone who will help me get custody back.

Oh, I get that - what are you researching? Can we give you the benefit of the doubt and assist you?

Thank you I would love all and any help...

Does anyone know what laws I can look up for child support other then the vt statue.

Do you plan on hiring a lawyer to fight this battle? If you take on a Judge alone you are going to lose.

Yes. All by myself... I don't have the money to pay for a lawyer... and can not find one to do it pro bono.

Yes. all by myself..... I don't have the money to pay for a lawyer... and can not find one to do it pro bono.


I've been meaning to get back here - you need a legal theory in order to turn this case the other way around.

Why do you believe it's an incorrect decision?

A Judge who is prejudicial is not a legal defense. I can find all sorts of info on child support, custody, but you need a theory.

I'm not seeing one.

And, yes, without an Attorney I see problems.

I believe you could attempt to transfer the matter to another County - but if you do that and lose you are dead in the water.

Welcome to justice and the US legal system. This is how family law works, the opinion or bias of the judge is the law when they rule. Unless you can find some error in the court procedure, just losing and just the bias of the judge has little chance of an appeal.

Example, I was fighting for custody of my two boys. This was about 30 plus years ago, but.
I was making about 40,000 a year ( a lot that many years ago) we proved the mother was having sex for money, even had lists of men, had photos of the inside of the home, with trash, and dirty conditions. We had proof that the chidlren were being left alone for hours at the time with a 9 year old watching the younger kids.
We had proof that she had left bruises on the kids.

Guess what we lost 4 attempts at custody, because her family were important people in the town.

Latter, I got custody in MO but by then they have moved to Texas, Texas would not honor or reconise the MO custody order, so we had to find a way to get the kids out of Texas. Perhaps illegally I guess but once out of Texas the custody order we had was valid

So your story is more the normal than the exception

I've been meaning to get back here - you need a legal theory in order to turn this case the other way around.

Why do you believe it's an incorrect decision?

A Judge who is prejudicial is not a legal defense. I can find all sorts of info on child support, custody, but you need a theory.

I'm not seeing one.

And, yes, without an Attorney I see problems.

I believe you could attempt to transfer the matter to another County - but if you do that and lose you are dead in the water.

First I want to thank you for your help. I know you don’t know me and you don’t have to believe me , but I have been through hell and I thought I go in and tell the truth and that is that, but that did not happen. I guess I am a bit naïve I can also give you the court document number ect…. I truly thank you for the help.
As far as Child support… I don’t understand how the magistrate can make a person pay when they don’t have the money.. He earns (then 4,500.00 more then I did and all of his business deals he makes more) now he earns $3,800.00 more then I do plus the business deals.. I showed a long list of jobs I had applied for. He showed two. I tired to answer and write questions down and I did not answer quick enough for the magistrate and she was yelling at me to answer. I borrowed money from family and friends which I said in court in order to keep my apartment (to show stability). I thought I would find a job quicker then I did… I need to find something that says if you are below poverty and you can’t pay… then there should be some leeway. No one can believe that this is happening and they know him and how much he makes… Then again no one can believe I lost custody..
I will have to find a way to borrow money for a lawyer on the child custody part, well try to . But I don’t want to be blinded as I was before. I think I have grounds for a new judge or new venue. In the year and a half that he has had her, he has hit her (which was reported) there were many signs that something was going on… she had meltdowns when going back to her fathers.. Bad meltdowns… She peed the bed every night I had her. Not like her at all….was left alone all by her self for quite some time. (which was also reported) She is 7. He has pulled her arm so hard it hurt (did not find out about that one until it was to late) He has spanked her so hard repeatedly that in her words it hurts or stings. On and on and on… so I was thinking I could get a new hearing or file again for custody on the fact that my daughter is not safe and will not be safe in his home. There has to be something there.

Welcome to justice and the US legal system. this is how family law works, the opinion or bias of the judge is the law when they rule. Unless you can find some error in the court procedure, just losing and just the bias of the judge has little chance of an appeal.

Example, I was fighting for custody of my two boys. This was about 30 plus years ago, but.
I was making about 40,000 a year ( a lot that many years ago) we proved the mother was having sex for money, even had lists of men, had photos of the inside of the home, with trash, and dirty conditions. We had proof that the chidlren were being left alone for hours at the time with a 9 year old watching the younger kids.
We had proof that she had left bruises on the kids.

Guess what we lost 4 attempts at custody, because her family were important people in the town.

Latter, I got custody in MO but by then they have moved to Texas, Texas would not honor or reconise the MO custody order, so we had to find a way to get the kids out of Texas. perhaps illegally I guess but once out of Texas the custody order we had was valid

So your story is more the normal than the exception

I am hearing that... the judges need to be held accountable for the bad rulings... If they would look at the cases a bit more then they do and we would not have children who have to go through hell...

The judge does not think domestic violence matters... The judge could not find anything wrong with me. The judge in the county give childern to the abusers.. ... He hit my child and ....

Why did the judge hit your child?

Why did the judge hit your child?

Sorry the judge did not hit the child.. The father hit the child...

First I want to thank you for your help. I know you don’t know me and you don’t have to believe me , but I have been through hell and I thought I go in and tell the truth and that is that, but that did not happen. I guess I am a bit naive I can also give you the court document number ect…. I truly thank you for the help.


You know, Kellie, I do believe you - I've seen good Judges make bad decisions and the other way around. I have also seen women get emotional in Court, very often justifiably, and have that go against them.

Please give me through the weekend to re-read this and see if I can find something, anything, you can "use," so to speak.

You know, Kellie, I do believe you - I've seen good Judges make bad decisions and the other way around. I have also seen women get emotional in Court, very often justifiably, and have that go against them.

Please give me through the weekend to re-read this and see if I can find something, anything, you can "use," so to speak.

Thank you