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Pugana
Aug 15, 2012, 05:33 PM
My shih tzu is 4 month and weights 5lb. How big she could be at her final growth?

Alty
Aug 15, 2012, 09:26 PM
She's a smaller dog. Most smaller breeds stop major growth spurts at around 6 months. You'll know her final weight when she's around a year old. A good judge of how big she'll be is looking at the parents. She shouldn't deviate too much from their weights.

I do have to express some concern. Your other post was in my breeding thread, and you stated there that you want to breed your dog but you have 5 months to think about it.

Are you stating that you're planning on breeding your dog at 9 months of age?

I don't condone backyard breeding, but I will say, a dog isn't ready to breed until she's at least 2 years of age. Sooner than that will decrease her chances of having healthy puppies, and decrease her chances of surviving the pregnancy and delivery.

If you really want to breed then do it right. Do the genetic testing, find a suitable male. Show your dog so that she can be judged by experts, so that you know you're breeding a top quality dog of her breed. Having paper doesn't mean she's breeding quality. Being purebred doesn't means she's breeding quality. There are a lot of reasons backyard breeding is a horrible idea.

Let me put it this way. If you wanted to have a child would you want a guy that has a clean bill of health, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink, takes care of himself, and doesn't have a family history of genetic diseases, or would you go to an alley, find a homeless guy that sleeping off his latest drinking binge, does drugs, and has a very bad genetic history?

Without the genetic testing, the right mate, making sure your dog is top quality, she's pretty much the drunk homeless guy in the alley, and the puppies, they could get the worst of those traits.

Here is the breed standard for a Shih Tzu

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shih%20tzu%20bred%20standards%20kennel%20club&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ckc.ca%2Fen%2FDefault.aspx%3F tabid%3D99%26BreedCode%3DSIT&ei=0ngsUJvMHeSMyQG7mYCIAQ&usg=AFQjCNGBjFDUQzHyjigy3KxLIjygQ8p1rQ

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 10:41 AM
I have a boyfriend, the best one ever... :)) maybe one day God gives my a little boys or girl, maybe 3 or 4 of them but now... :(( anyway it is not your business. What about daisy I never saw her parents. She is my first dog. I 'm asking her final growth because I want to travel with her too far. Next year and it will be a problem if she becomes 20 lb:)) but anyway would be bigger love:)) I'm so happy to have her

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 10:51 AM
So please don't breed her until she is old enough, like Alty said, "a dog isn't ready to breed until she's at least 2 years of age. Sooner than that will decrease her chances of having healthy puppies, and decrease her chances of surviving the pregnancy and delivery."

Did you read the link that tells about breed size? Were her parents both Shi Tzus?

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 11:04 AM
Of course not:)) and if I will do that 50%-50% I will do it the best and healthy way for my girl and her puppies:))

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
of course not:)) and if i will do that 50%-50% i will do it the best and healthy way for my girl and her puppies:))
Of course not what? 50-50 what?

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 11:17 AM
I brought it so blinded:)) but she looks like the real one. And I just can say thank you the seller because she is very healthy, very intelligent, so sweaty heart.

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 11:23 AM
Daisy

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 11:30 AM
One more picture

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 11:43 AM
Yes, she is a cutie pie! If I ever give up my cats someday...

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
Of course not what? 50-50 what?

Of course not will breed her until appropriate age. 50%-50% means I don't know yet I will breed her or not. Time shows...

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 11:58 AM
Of course not will breed her until appropriate age. 50%-50% means i don't know yet i will breed her or not. time shows...
Knowing how many dogs and cats are put to death every week because no one wants them, I beg you to get her spayed when she is old enough and not add to the numbers of homeless animals.

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 12:08 PM
But if we all will spay our dogs, one day we all will have no pets:))

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 12:25 PM
but if we all will spay our dogs, one day we all will have no pets:))
But that won't happen until 3012.

Alty
Aug 16, 2012, 03:00 PM
but if we all will spay our dogs, one day we all will have no pets:))

With 5 millions dogs put to sleep every single year in the US alone, you don't have to worry about running out of dogs. There are plenty to go around, sadly, there aren't enough homes for the ones already here.

Also, we aren't asking everyone to spay or neuter their dogs. If you're a legitimate breeder, with healthy dogs, and you know what you're doing, follow the breed standard, do the genetic testing, then I have nothing against breeding. Sadly, you don't fall into that category.

You seem to love your puppy very much. She is adorable. I know you won't want to hear this, because you don't want to hear that you're wrong, but I do want to ask you this. If you decide to breed her and she dies (it happens to many dogs during pregnancy and delivery), will you be okay with that?

The one thing that struck me most about your other post was that you seem to think that your dog will be sad if she doesn't have babies. I have to stress again, despite how much you love her, and the fact that she's very much your baby, she's not a human being. She is a dog. Dogs don't long to have a family. Dogs don't long to have babies. Only humans do that. No other animals does.

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 03:30 PM
OK. I believe you. I'm not interesting to make money. I will do the best for her. What about dying of course it is too sad but that is natural. She has to die finally. I don't want to die first:))

Alty
Aug 16, 2012, 03:40 PM
ok. i believe you. i'm not interesting to make money. i will do the best for her. what about dying of course it is too sad but that is natural. she has to die finally. i don't want to die first:))

Yes, we all die in the end, and if you were told that you could have a child, but that you could die, and you did it anyway, that would be your choice.

The fact is, your dog has no choice, she has to rely on you to do the right thing for her. If you choose to breed her and she dies because of it, that's your choice. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 05:25 PM
Alty... come down... Everything will be ok:)) people are dying around the world but it does not mean we all have to stope having children... that's life. Everyone's has their fortune. We cannot change all world. People love pets. I guess if they will not cost so expensive all of us wish to have them more then one... I saw some videos on YouTube that dogs food are made of dying animals. Maybe they"people" put them to sleep to make business? I always donate some money for animals when I'm buying puppy food. We have to donate to them.we have to save them, if we care. I'm not backyard breeder. I just don't know what to do.it is my opinion and I don't think so that you are 100% right. I'm not going t fight with you. I get your point.just stop. Please don't be so angry. We all love animals:))

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 05:28 PM
If God give her a chance to have a puppies it is her choice. I'm not fertilizing her eggs in a Laboratory...

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 05:32 PM
if God give her a chance to have a puppies it is her choice. I'm not fertilizing her eggs in a Laboratory....
How is it HER choice? The only way she will get pregnant is if you allow an intact male dog around her when she is in heat. She doesn't invite him out for dinner and ask him to have sex with her, but is a victim of being in heat. That's YOUR choice to mate her, not hers. God has nothing to do with it.

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 06:09 PM
Omg. Are you asking me to leave her virgin? :))) OK My best friend has a one year dog. When we are together my girl is jumping on him. He is shying and tries to go away, but Daisy is running around him. How I can protect her? She loves boys:)) That is so funny:)) OK>YOU MAKE ME TO SPAYD MY POOR GIRL> I WILL NOT HAVE A GRANDCHILD. IT IS SO SED>:( YOU HARM MY HEART. Don't get it seriously. While I'm writing you, my girl is biting my fingers. Let me play with her...

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
Omg. are you asking me to leave her virgin? :))) ok My best friend has a one year dog. when we are together my girl is jumping on him. He is shying and tries to go away, but Daisy is running around him. How I can protect her? she loves boys:)) That is so funny:)) OK>YOU MAKE ME TO SPAYD MY POOR GIRL> I WILL NOT HAVE A GRANDCHILD. IT IS SO SED>:( YOU HARM MY HEART. Don't get it seriously. while i'm writing you, my girl is biting my fingers. let me play with her....
You are treating your dog like she's human. She is not. She is a dog.

Please get her spayed when she is the right age. Otherwise, I will have a sad face until the day I die.

Pugana
Aug 16, 2012, 06:34 PM
:)) OK show me your happy face:)) sometimes I think you hate dogs:)) I promise I will the best for her... I will spayed her.

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2012, 06:45 PM
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ! :)

Alty
Aug 16, 2012, 09:06 PM
:)) ok show me your happy face:)) sometimes i think you hate dogs:)) I promise i will the best for her...i will spayed her.

I won't address your other posts, because I don't want to fight with you. All that matters is that you're getting her spayed, which shows that you really do love her.

I hope that you're being sincere, for your dogs sake.

Fact is, I can only tell you the truth, as the human being you are the one that has to be smart enough and care enough to make the right choice based on the facts, which is what I gave you.

I really do hope that you are going to get her spayed, you not only saved her life, but thousands of others, just by doing this one thing.

JudyKayTee
Aug 17, 2012, 06:37 AM
:)) ok show me your happy face:)) sometimes i think you hate dogs:)) I promise i will the best for her...i will spayed her.


I came in this late - I have to ask your age based on the smiley faces - ?

speedball1
Aug 17, 2012, 08:32 AM
Ya just want to reach out and hug and cuddle her! I rescued my Shi TZu 8 years ago. He had been turned in by 4 families and was termed unadoptable and was headed for the gas chamber when I saw his picture I felt a connection and took him on trial. We had some heated discussion about who was going to be Alpha Dog in my house but I won in the end. Bandit, indeed. Had found his forever home. Now he loves everybody and thinks everybody should love him. In my opinion every elderly person living alone shout have a pet to love on and be loved back in return.
Don't buy from a puppy mill. Rescue a dog instead. Regards, Tom,

Cat1864
Aug 17, 2012, 09:17 AM
Pugana, Daisy is adorable. The American Kennel Club (AKC) standard says they should weigh between 9-16 pounds.

She chases the male because she is a playful young animal. It has nothing to do with sex or sexual attraction. Female dogs don't think that way. To her he is a playmate.

I hope you do get her spayed. It will keep her healthier and happier throughout her life.

Since this is your first dog, I am going to give you a training tip. Do not allow her to anything as a puppy that you do not want her doing as an adult. She should not be biting your fingers. It may be cute now, but it won't be later especially if she bites someone else. It will not be her fault. It will be yours because you didn't teach her to behave properly.

I hope you have many happy years together.

speedball1
Aug 18, 2012, 07:52 AM
Speaking of biting,
Do not allow her to anything as a puppy that you do not want her doing as an adult. Bandit got the reputation of bring a biter and a runner. I think he picked that up as a puppy.
Here's how I think it came about, Being small , cute and cuddle children would pull and maul him. He learned the way to stop anything he didn't like was to bite.and then make a break for it as soon as he saw a way outside. 4 families with children couldn't handle it and so he was turned back in. I know dogs. I even speak a little dog. No dog runs away from a home he's happy in. and after some heated moments and a lot of tough love Bandit learned it was much better to get loved then punished and now he loves everybody and thinks everybody should love him. One of the nicest compliments we've ever got was from the woman who fostered Bandit. When Canine Castaways, the place I adopted him fro was in town I took Bandit down for them to see. The lady that fostered him took a look and said. " Oh look! Bandit's a happy dog now". Music to my ears. Bandit's 13 now and like me is growing old. But in addition to having a great dog and companion I have the satisfaction of knowing that I saved one dog from being "put down". I just thought I'd share. Tom

Pugana
Aug 20, 2012, 11:03 AM
Bandit is so cute:)) I love him...
Thanks to everybody for sharing your opinion and knowledge. Yes, Daisy is bitting my fingers, and it is not funny because it is so painful:)) However I'm trying to stop her doing that... sometimes she gets, sometimes doesn't. But I hope finely we also will get a happy girl:))