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Stupiddecision1
Aug 14, 2012, 06:33 PM
Hello
I have made an extremely stupid mistake. I no shop lifting is wrong and honestly it's not me to do it. But It happened resently were switching new owners at work were I am a manager also I've been extremely stressed with this and the fact I might be pregnant because my period is late I went to one store to get a pregnancy test and they soft have them so I when to another location and they only had 20 packs and I made an extremely stupid Decision and took one out of the box. I know better I honeslty made and extremely stupid decision and I'm scared this is going to make me loose my job. This was in a stupid and rash thinking and I'm assumed of myself I know betteri no that this is wrong. I was 100% cooperative with theft prevention and as well as the cop. Is there anywayi can get diversion or any legal advice would help. I made an exemly stupid decsision. I do not think there is any excus for theft and I'm ashamed I was so stupid to do it even for all the facts. Thank you for any advice
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 05:44 AM
Hello
I've been stressed at work because we're switching owners also I'm really late for my period and scared that I may be pregnant I went to Ida to get a pregnancy test and they didn't have any there. Then I went to zellers and they only had 20 packs and 9 packs. I made a really stupid decision and I took a testout of the box. I'm so stupid I do not think stealing it right and I don't believe in it but I did make a really stupid decision that's not like me. I'm a manager of a store and I'm 100% freaking out. My last offence was back in 2005 and I got diversion. I was thankful and did learn my lesson but I did make an extemly stupid decision I was 100% compliant with the anti theft and when stopped admitted and handed it over and 100% compliant with the cops. It was not my intention to steel I do not think its right but I made a stupid desperate decision. This is not the person I am I want to slap myself so being so stupid. Please help me with any advices of what to do. Would there be any chance of getting divierion again? I've been calling around And been getting mixed answers police said they will probably give me a fine. Duty Coucle won't talk to me till my first court date please any advice of what's going to happen and what can I do.
I made a stupid decision I no that I do not think its right but we are human and sometimes people make stupid decisions it's not in my character to do something like this. I will do anything at all donate, community service, fine anything at all I'm scared about losing my job over this and I'm not this piece of scum I made a stupid decision. Thank you for your advice and help
Fr_Chuck
Aug 15, 2012, 06:27 AM
You made the choice to steal, sorry, try to word it a 100 ways, when you opened a pack and when you took it out, you had every idea that you were going to steal it. You thought about it, you planned it, since you had to open a package, not like walking out by accident.
Next police are allowed to lie to you, to get you to confess. And the police have no idea what happens at court. At best some officer just wanted to get you off the phone and/or try to make you feel better.
Normally diversion prograns are for first offenders and no seldom do you get a second chance at one.
You will most likely get probation, and a fine, ( and perhaps civil penalty to the store)
How this effects your position where you work is up to them. Even the diversion program normally shows up till completed. So work will most likely find out if they run any background checks, but most do not, so unless someone you know hears about it, or finds out and tells them.
And pregnancy, so are you pregnant ? By this time, you would have went to a regular store and bought a test ? How late is your period ? And why are you scared, it is still a matter of choices, if you chose to have sex, you can get pregnant, when having sex, what methods of birth control do you use ?
And you got caught, if you had not gotten caught, you would not be having all this I am sorry about this right now, Most people worry about what will happen after they are caught.
To be really sorry often one has to go though the suffering that their action brings.
smoothy
Aug 15, 2012, 06:28 AM
How many times do you plan on posting this same question? You already posted it yesterday, site rules specifically prohibit that. Reporting this to the Moderators for deletion.
THe OTHER post of the same question previously... https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/criminal-law/theft-under-5000-2nd-offence-help-693837.html
Fr_Chuck
Aug 15, 2012, 06:34 AM
Merged
You have to wait, sometimes a few hours, other times a few days, for the correct expert to be online and ready to answer questions.
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 07:19 AM
[QUOTE=smoothy;3236741]How many times do you plan on posting this same question? You already posted it yesterday, site rules specifically prohibit that. Reporting this to the Moderators for deletion.
THe OTHER post of the same question previously... https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/criminal-law/theft-under-5000-2nd-offence-help-693837.html[/QUOTE
I'm sorry this is my first time using this sit and I was not sure if the first one went threw
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 07:32 AM
You made the choice to steal, sorry, try to word it a 100 ways, when you opened a pack and when you took it out, you had every idea that you were going to steal it. You thought about it, you planned it, since you had to open a package, not like walking out by accident.
Next police are allowed to lie to you, to get you to confess. and the police have no idea what happens at court. At best some officer just wanted to get you off the phone and/or try to make you feel better.
normally diversion prograns are for first offenders and no seldom do you get a second chance at one.
You will most likely get probation, and a fine, ( and perhaps civil penalty to the store)
how this effects your position where you work is up to them. Even the diversion program normally shows up till completed. So work will most likely find out if they run any background checks, but most do not, so unless someone you know hears about it, or finds out and tells them.
And pregnancy, so are you pregnant ? by this time, you would have went to a regular store and bought a test ? how late is your period ? And why are you scared, it is still a matter of choices, if you chose to have sex, you can get pregnant, when having sex, what methods of birth control do you use ?
And you got caught, if you had not gotten caught, you would not be having all this I am sorry about this right now, Most people worry about what will happen after they are caught.
To be really sorry often one has to go though the suffering that their action brings.
I know I made a stupid decision and I will have to suffer for my actions. There's no excuses for this. I'm made a really stupid decision, I wish I could take it back but I can't. I hope and pray the crown will seek mercy on me and I won't go to jail I really hope this won't effect my carrier. I no I will have to suffer any consiquences for my actions. I'm sorry for the people and the store it effected. I can't take it back now though that timdies gone and past when I made a stupid decision. Im not going to lie about it, I did it, it will never happen again.
As far as birth control options I use condoms. And birth control I've really late for my period and still have not hate it. Yes I have purchanced a 2 pack test first one yes second on no. I'm going to book an apointment with my docter.
I'm also looking into to some stress
Management courses or classes. I haven't been myself due to all of this and I'm freaking out.
joypulv
Aug 15, 2012, 08:46 AM
'... it will never happen again. '
I'm not unsympathetic but did you say that the first time you got caught, and how many times have you shoplifted without getting caught?
That's how the courts think. That's how anyone thinks.
Plus you are a store manager. You can afford birth control and you can afford to buy a 9 pack of tests.
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 09:15 AM
'...it will never happen again. '
I'm not unsympathetic but did you say that the first time you got caught, and how many times have you shoplifted without getting caught?
That's how the courts think. That's how anyone thinks.
Plus you are a store manager. You can afford birth control and you can afford to buy a 9 pack of tests.
I have not shoplifted at all since this one. I don't want sympathy. I no I made a stupid decision. I can't take it back now. I no it is wrong and I would take it back if I could but I can't. I do no better and there is no excuses for this. I have to suffer the consiquences for my actions. I don't know if I should get a lawyer or go with duty Councel my first court date is coming up soon. I am scared as a should be for so many reasons my job, future, jail time. I don't know what's going to happen. I went on the sit in hope of any advice. And yes I no I shouldn't have done it in the first place but there's not a thing I can do to change the past now. Just move forward I no personally I will never make a stupid decsision like this I am remorseful I will take any consiquences that I get.
smoothy
Aug 15, 2012, 09:20 AM
You are better off WITH a lawyer...
joypulv
Aug 15, 2012, 09:26 AM
I didn't ask you how many times you have done it SINCE THIS ONE.
Most people are pretty transparent about this and you are no exception. Your remorse is full of reasons you did it and you avoid answering any questions about the first offense. The courts are going to see you as just one more person who had no problem lifting until you got caught, and then fell back into it again, and they see no reason why you won't yet again.
I lifted like crazy when I was about 19 and didn't really need to, although I was pretty poor at the time. Over all the years since I have also had times of stress and need, but didn't do it again. It was more out of confusion and anger and a bit of thrill seeking more than anything. I do understand the mindset.
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 10:17 AM
I didn't ask you how many times you have done it SINCE THIS ONE.
Most people are pretty transparent about this and you are no exception. Your remorse is full of reasons why you did it and you avoid answering any questions about the first offense. The courts are going to see you as just one more person who had no problem lifting til you got caught, and then fell back into it again, and they see no reason why you won't yet again.
I lifted like crazy when I was about 19 and didn't really need to, although I was pretty poor at the time. Over all the years since I have also had times of stress and need, but didn't do it again. It was more out of confusion and anger and a bit of thrill seeking more than anything. I do understand the mindset.
Yes I made a stupid rash decsision. No it was not worth it. I do no better I'm unset with myself because I do not better and this is not me I let my fear and stress get the best of me but I was the one that made the stupid decision. I should have took a breath and no that weither I get a test now or later it's not going to change the out come if any thing doing something like this would cause more stress and it's stupid. I I'm usually the person that tells other people it's not worth it weither is speeding, drinking And driving, stealing, being violent. I do admit I made a stupid decision I'm disappointed with myself on this but at the time there's nothing I can do to change the past just move forward
Should I hire a lawyer or stick with duty Councel I really can't afford a lawyer but I could try getting loans Nd paying those off. What are the possible out come of this. Thank you for your advice and anyone's advice so far. I am sorry for what I did. I don't think its write by all means and I will have to deal with whatever happens
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 12:13 PM
You are better off WITH a lawyer.....
Thank you for your advice and thank you for responding to this. I'm so stupid for making this stupid mistake. I appreciat the advice. Do you know what are the out comes of this will I go to jail I'm scared as I should be. I will do anything donate community service fine anything they through at me. But for now I just want to now what's going to happen. Thank you once again for responding to this
Fr_Chuck
Aug 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
Please stop with the donate community service and all of the "I am so sorry"
This is the legal board, not the social work board. The fact is , the law does not care how sorry you are, in fact it just proves you knew it was wrong when you did it, And you have not shown any excuse worth mentioning in court.
No one knows what will happen to you, that is up to the Judge ( or DA if you make a plea deal) If the judge had a bad day, just fought with his wife, or perhaps kids just stole his newpaper from his yard. Perhaps he will be thinking how much higher the items are in his store because people steal from the store.
So you need to stop admitting anything, and do nothing but not guilty in court till you discuss this with an attorney.
Stupiddecision1
Aug 15, 2012, 07:07 PM
Please stop with the donate community service and all of the "I am so sorry"
This is the legal board, not the social work board. The fact is , the law does not care how sorry you are, in fact it just proves you knew it was wrong when you did it, And you have not shown any excuse worth mentioning in court.
No one knows what will happen to you, that is up to the Judge ( or DA if you make a plea deal) If the judge had a bad day, just fought with his wife, or perhaps kids just stole his newpaper from his yard. Perhaps he will be thinking how much higher the items are in his store because people steal from the store.
So you need to stop admitting anything, and do nothing but not guilty in court till you discuss this with an attorney.
Thank you for your honesty and advice. I will come back and post what happens good or bad news. It's true what the court going to think I'm some pathetic scum bag that clearly should have learned from the first time. I don't agree to steeling or any crime. I did the act there for I deserve to suffer any consiquences they give to me. Jail time even if it may be. Weither anyone believes me or not I am remorseful I will not be so low and stupid again.
I'm going to go to a shoplifting program and take stress management classes. This will never happen again Weither anyone believe me or not. I blame only myself for being so stupid
Fr_Chuck
Aug 15, 2012, 07:10 PM
Now you sound like you are getting it, the first step is admit your fault and look for help. That will look better in front of most courts