I'm just asking innocently here. Why should I believe in something like that if there really is no evidence? I feel like I WANT to believe but It doesn't seem rational at all to me. Right now I believe in evolution. But apparently there's also no evidence of evolution. I just want proof. If you know of any proof of any deity (people sharing their near death experiences) or any proof of evolution, please share. ALSO: is it OK to believe in Jesus and not god? Or believe in Jesus and god but also believe in evolution? Thanks

Let me see proof, 100's of eye witness testimony in the Bible of people who knew Jesus, saw his death or knew about it, and then saw him raised. Dozens of people who knew him personally and wrote about his rising from the dead.

Paul the man who probably hated Christians more than anyone, was converted and spent most of the rest of his life in prison for that faith because of a meeting with the risen Lord.

You have Jesus brother James, who was not a believer before Jesus death, and after he saw his brother raised from the dead, he became of the faithful.

You have many 1st century writers who did not know Jesus personally but knew the followers who wrote about it.

You have the universe and creation, in all of its perfect harmony, that could not have ever been made anyway else. There is minor evolution, but there is no proof of change of species. Also if man evolved, then why is there only one type of man with the same DNA, not dozens of variations from different parts of the world. They would have evolved from various forms of life to become man.

How is it that man has a level of moral values that are universal. It is a law that is written in their hearts.

There is plenty of proof if you will accept it.

Well keep the bible out of it. Paul and Jesus brother: is there even proof of them? Or anybody u mentioned

Well keep the bible out of it. Paul and Jesus brother: is there even proof of them? Or anybody u mentioned
You can get this book (Evidence and Paul's Journeys: An Historical Investigation into the Travels of the Apostle Paul) at your library (or through interlibrary loan). Read this page for a preview of the evidence --

Evidence and Paul's Journeys (http://www.parsagard.com/)

I'm thinking read, read, and read some more. The 200s at your library is full of books explaining or trying to explain things from the Old and New Testaments.

Well keep the bible out of it. Paul and Jesus brother: is there even proof of them? Or anybody u mentioned

What would constitute proof for you?

What would constitute proof for you?
I mean, I think I'll accept mostly anything except the bible

I mean, I think I'll accept mostly anything except the bible

Then you're pretty much screwed.

Listen, religious belief isn't about proof, it's about belief. It's believing that the bible is real, that the stories in it are real. It's believing in God, Budda, or whatever else you have faith in.

It sounds like you want to believe. If you do, proof doesn't matter. You'll never have absolute proof, even if someone says "I had a near death experience and saw God". That's not proof. That's one persons belief, experience.

That's the funny thing about religion. You can't prove that one religious belief is right and the other is wrong. If anyone had absolute proof we'd all believe in the same thing, and no one would question anything. That's why it's religious belief, not religious fact.

You don't have to believe in anything. Many people live very happy fulfilled lives believing in Gooboo the tree frog fairy (I made that up), or not having any religious beliefs at all. It really is up to you. But proof? You won't find any. At least not anything that can actually be considered viable proof. It's all belief based. No one can prove that the bible is factual. They believe it is. No one can prove that God and Jesus exist. They believe that they do.

What do you believe? Can you believe without proof? It sounds like you're begging for a reason to believe. Belief isn't about proof. It's about following your heart. So what does your heart say?

Before you write back saying that I'm just trying to bring you into the fold. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in the bible, and I don't believe in a Christian God. At this moment I'm a Deist. Lately I've been leaning more towards becoming a Wiccan. So no, I don't want to bring you into any "fold". But really, after reading your post, I think you've already decided what you believe, you're just afraid that you're making the wrong choice because you have no proof.

I'm off to worship Gooboo now. Good luck figuring it all out. :)

That is saying, I need to fix my car and I will read poetry and I will read westerns but I will not read the repair manual.

If you refuse to read the proof, you don't want to know the truth. What about the bible scares you to read it and discuss it ?

Plus we know these are real people, from the 100's of writings of the next generation of people who came after them. The writings of the 1st century church leaders.

Also the historical facts contained in the OT, that is matched by teachings of the Jewish faith and of Islam.
In fact even Islam accepts that Jesus was born they even accept he was born of a virgin. Can't ask for better proof than a religion that rejects him as Savior, Speaks about him throughout their teachings.

Why Should you don't believe? You have to believe that god help you every time and god is always there to help you...

Well I will give what PROVES it for me.

There is one nation that should not be here today... Israel. There is no earthy reason for her to be a nation, nor for the individual Jew to even know his nationality. There has been no other people without a land for over 2000 years who have kept there identity as a people. Let alone get their Nation back. And if THAT doesn't make you think a little... how about getting it back in a DAY. Cause that is what the bible predicted. Isaiah 66:8... Can a Nation be born in a Day? Yes it was May 14, 1948 Israel became a Nation again after not existing for 2000 years. Interesting? When is the last time you met a philistine? You haven't. You will never know who a philistine is. They are an extinct people. They have no land, no nation. You may just read over this and think "big fat hairy deal". But in fact it IS a BIG DEAL. The Jew should be gone. Not only have they wandered the earth without a land for over 2000 years, there has been no other people so hated than the Jewish people. They should have been wiped of the map never to be heard from again... except GOD said it would NEVER happen.

When is the last time you have heard of a dead language bringing back to life. Hebrew was. No one spoke it anymore... it was gone. But surprise, surprise, that is what they speak in Israel today. Why? Cause GOD said it would be a dead language brought back to life. I can give you the biblical reference for that if you would like.

Here is thing... you can read historical facts concerning the Jews and Israel. Those are FACTS... But what you MUST look at is what the Bible said would happened to them as a people and what would happen to them as a Nation. The things written about Israel in the Bible were written hundreds of years before the prophecies came to pass and history shows us it happened just like the Bible said it would.

But even if you don't believe the bible... History is history. And I think the Jew alone is enough for anyone to come to their senses and recognize that there IS a God.

That is saying, I need to fix my car and I will read poetry and I will read westerns but I will not read the repair manual.

If you refuse to read the proof, you don't want to know the truth. What about the bible scares you to read it and discuss it ?

Plus we know these are real people, from the 100's of writings of the next generation of people who came after them. The writings of the 1st century church leaders.

also the historical facts contained in the OT, that is matched by teachings of the Jewish faith and of Islam.
In fact even Islam accepts that Jesus was born they even accept he was born of a virgin. Can't ask for better proof than a religion that rejects him as Savior, Speaks about him thoughout their teachings.

But I don't believe that the bible is credible evidence. They say it's like written by god but who is this god? I don't think there's any evidence of him. I'm just really unsure about all this

Then you're pretty much screwed.

Listen, religious belief isn't about proof, it's about belief. It's believing that the bible is real, that the stories in it are real. It's believing in God, Budda, or whatever else you have faith in.

It sounds like you want to believe. If you do, proof doesn't matter. You'll never have absolute proof, even if someone says "I had a near death experience and saw God". That's not proof. That's one persons belief, experience.

That's the funny thing about religion. You can't prove that one religious belief is right and the other is wrong. If anyone had absolute proof we'd all believe in the same thing, and no one would question anything. That's why it's religious belief, not religious fact.

You don't have to believe in anything. Many people live very happy fulfilled lives believing in Gooboo the tree frog fairy (I made that up), or not having any religious beliefs at all. It really is up to you. But proof? You won't find any. At least not anything that can actually be considered viable proof. It's all belief based. No one can prove that the bible is factual. They believe it is. No one can prove that God and Jesus exist. They believe that they do.

What do you believe? Can you believe without proof? It sounds like you're begging for a reason to believe. Belief isn't about proof. It's about following your heart. So what does your heart say?

Before you write back saying that I'm just trying to bring you into the fold. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in the bible, and I don't believe in a Christian God. At this moment I'm a Deist. Lately I've been leaning more towards becoming a Wiccan. So no, I don't want to bring you into any "fold". But really, after reading your post, I think you've already decided what you believe, you're just afraid that you're making the wrong choice because you have no proof.

I'm off to worship Gooboo now. Good luck figuring it all out. :)

Oh (clapping hands in delight at the prospect of a new deity), can I come too! PLEASE ! And can we light a FIRE!

But I don't believe that the bible is credible evidence. They say it's like written by god but who is this god? I dont think there's any evidence of him. I'm just really unsure about all this

It doesn't matter if you think the bible is credible evidence. Look at history, study the Jews and THEN take a look see what the Bible has to say about the Jew. The Jew is proof for me that God is and his Word is truth. The fact that they exist and know who they are as a people is a miracle. The Jews had no land, no country, no nation for 2000 years. There has been no people like that before. AND that in and of itself would be a miracle but it gets better... they get their land back, they become a nation again... it is a miracle. BUT IT GETS BETTER... they don't just get it back, they become a nation in a DAY. May 14, 1948. Why? Because GOD said it would happen in the BIBLE. What do you the odds are of just that coming to pass exactly the bible said it would?

I know I am repeating myself. But honestly... how does anyone explain the Jew? Proof to me... God's word is truth.

Oh (clapping hands in delight at the prospect of a new deity), can I come too! PLEASE ! and can we light a FIRE!!
GooBoo is a tree frog fairy and does not like fire. Could I interest you in taking a swim in GooBoo's honor?

GooBoo is a tree frog fairy and does not like fire. Could I interest you in taking a swim in GooBoo's honor?

Mmmm frog legs, how delightful. There was a restaurant in Ortonville MI called Carmens that must have had lots of GooBoos. They deep fried some lovely GooBoos all the time.Too bad GooBoo doesn't like sacrificial fire.
No, no swim, thanks, just lots of legs.

Are two cooking my God? Blasphemy! ;)

We're eating him too. I never knew frogs' legs were so good! Am I radiating a celestial glow?

The interesting thing is that this too could be made into a religion where faith, not proof, is its basis. Newer religions such as Scientology and Christian Science and Mormonism are examples of how beliefs (and entire church bodies) come about without concrete evidence.

We're eating him too. I never knew frogs' legs were so good! Am I radiating a celestial glow?

The interesting thing is that this too could be made into a religion where faith, not proof, is its basis. Newer religions such as Scientology and Christian Science and Mormonism are examples of how beliefs (and entire church bodies) come about without concrete evidence.

Exactly. GooBoo is a totally viable Deity. I could start a religion based on him. Or I could before you guys ate him. ;)

But this is what religion is all about. Belief. I could write a "bible" about GooBoo, claim he's the real deal, and some people would follow.

So it really is all a matter of faith, and what you choose to believe.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster) was formed in just that way.

Now you guys are getting my hint ! Exactly, Alty, go for it, I am with.

GooBoo forever !

Now you guys are getting my hint ! Exactly, Alty, go for it, I am with.

GooBoo forever !

I think we may have to worship Binky the bunny God. You and WG ate GooBoo!

Having said that, I'm running away now before Ben or Chuck slap my wrists for hijacking this thread. Wait... did I hijack it this time? Sigh.

Meet me in the discussion forum where we can discuss our new religion. :)

As much as I'm loving the Gooboo side-trip, I feel a need to be a wet blanket and return to the original question {duck and cover}

Annabear, there are two things I know for sure. First, there has to be a god of some sort who is bigger than the universe and had to put it here. Even the so-called God particle isn't a full explanation for existence because it had to come from somewhere or something. Where did God come from then? Don't know, don't care. But the fact of existence and all we know scientifically about the origin of the universe and everything else argues for some creative force. Call it God, call it X, call it late for supper, it doesn't matter. There has to be something "out there."

Second, it's a historically-probable fact that Jesus of Nazareth, a first-century itinerant Jewish preacher, died and rose again. There are a number of facts that just about all but the most radically anti-Bible scholars accept, including
1. He did exist. There's plenty of evidence for it.
2. He was dead. The Romans excelled at putting people to death.
3. The tomb was found empty.
4. Numerous people, followers and non-followers alike, reported seeing him alive after his death and burial. He was seen by individuals and groups, and we have credible eyewitness testimony to all of it.
5. Even opponents like James and Paul (there's no reason to doubt the existence of either one) came to the conclusion that this event really happened. We might be able to explain away James based on guilt, but not Paul. Paul was convinced he was doing God's work by trying to wipe out this new belief system. He honestly believed he was doing good, then suddenly did a 180 and was willing to die for his faith.
6. Something transformed a handful of scared rabbits into bold preachers who were willing to give their lives for the idea that Jesus rose. If the story was false, they had no good reason to go to such lengths. Liars don't make martyrs, especially when there's everything to lose and nothing to gain.

That's just a few. I don't know why you want to completely exclude the Bible, since it is a reasonably accurate record of the events surrounding the beginning of Christianity. The book of Acts, as well as the letters of Paul that we know are authentic, give us enough to establish the facts above. And that's not to mention the writings of Pliny, Josephus and other contemporaries who watched this new movement appear and grow.

I disagree with Alty on one point: real faith isn't blind. It's rooted in facts. There's a lot that we can't prove, sure. But there's enough of a foundation to have an informed faith, one that looks at the facts and draws reasonable conclusions from them. In the case of Jesus, we have enough foundation to do that.

Dave,

While I agree with you completely. I remember watching Peter Jennings do this story something about searching for Jesus. I had the impression he really didn't buy into the life and resurrection of Jesus. But at the end, he had all these different people, historian, theologians, skeptics all say basically the same thing. The all admitted that SOMETHING had to have happened concerning what his disciples witnessed. They based it on how the early Christians were tortured for their beliefs. They all agreed on that best I can remember.

Incidentally, I noticed you weren't too impressed with my thoughts on the Jews... not surprised though. You really need to rethink your position. You couldn't be more wrong... well, aside from your political views. :)

But I don't believe that the bible is credible evidence. They say it's like written by god but who is this god? I dont think there's any evidence of him. I'm just really unsure about all this

Say it was written by men, and no one ever said God wrote it, he merely inspired man to write. But men writing it, is evidence, just like testifying in court.

It is like saying I have to touch the stove top, to see if it is hot, I can't believe the warning sign since I don't know who wrote it, and I don't believe anyone that ever touched the stove has written the warning. You don't want to discuss or accept the bible, since it is the proof you refuse to accept

Dave,

[snip]

Incidently, I noticed you weren't too impressed with my thoughts on the Jews...not surprised though. You really need to rethink your position. You couldn't be more wrong.....well, aside from your political views. :)

I didn't have anything to add to it. I don't necessarily disagree with what you said, I just didn't have anything to say about it. Your next assignment: come up with a cure for which there is no known disease. Oh wait, you just did that! :P

Because 1 year ago I was like you I KNEW that Jesus didn't exist. Until I opened my eyes and ears and listened " really listened" it all made perfect sense, and from the second I wispered to GOD ( wow God I BELIEVE and I want you to come into my life) in an instant from my head to my toes I felt GODS love fill my body. A few weeks later I read about when you invite GOD into your life he instantly fills us with his holy spirit .
In a nut shell I know my GOD lives. A year ago I would have been calling me a nutter. Give GOD a chance!! :-)
GOD bless u

Because 1 year ago I was like you I KNEW that Jesus didn't exist. Until I opened my eyes and ears and listened " really listened" it all made perfect sense, and from the second I wispered to GOD ( wow God I BELIEVE and I want you to come into my life) in an instant from my head to my toes I felt GODS love fill my body. A few weeks later I read about when you invite GOD into your life he instantly fills us with his holy spirit .
In a nut shell I know my GOD lives. A year ago I would have been calling me a nutter. Give GOD a chance!!!:-)
GOD bless u

Wonderful post, Friend of GOD

wonderful post, Friend of GOD

Thanks Bro
;-)

I know I am repeating myself. But honestly ...how does anyone explain the Jew? Proof to me...God's word is truth.


The Jew? Could you be more offensive? The Puerto Rican, the Black, are no less offensive.

Have you tried asking The Jew any of your questions? Posting about The Jews and your problems understanding Judaism on the Christian Board is like asking vegetarians about pot roast.

If The Jews discussed The Christians on The Jewish Board it would be inappropriate and out of place. I feel the same way here. You are discussing an entire religion behind that religion's back.

I'm always amused by the "Love God" people who can't wait to swipe at something they don't understand - such as Judaism. I think (much as you think about The Jew) that there are two problems with organized religion: (1) People who are repenting or regreting something or other and, therefore, have turned into zealots; (2) People who judge others based on "their" religious beliefs. Oh, wait, there's a third. People who can barely form words and sentences and suddenly see the light and feel compelled to discuss it (using words they barely understand).

"And I think the Jew alone is enough for anyone to come to their senses and recognize that there IS a God."

You've studied Christianity and that gives you insight into The Jews? Please.

And for the record, no, I'm not The Jew. And also I'm not going to discuss religion - I just "think" (in the same way you think about The Jew) that this is inappropriate.

There are people whose words are inspirational - Frchuck, Don, a handful of others. Everyone else it's judgmental, judgmental, judgmental.

Read The Holocaust Chronicle published by Louis Weber. After you've studied that, then come back and preach about what The Jews should and shouldn't expect and want and why they MIGHT want to live apart, in their own Country, with their own religion and maybe even their own language. Until then it is offensive to discuss The Jew on The Christian Board where there are no Jews posting.

And, yes, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti sounds like a good idea. It would be two for one. After we worship the Spaghetti we can eat it.

Thanks Bro
;-)

Not bro my dear, more like sister, but no problem

The Jew? Could you be more offensive? The Puerto Rican, the Black, are no less offensive.

Have you tried asking The Jew any of your questions? Posting about The Jews and your problems understanding Judaism on the Christian Board is like asking vegetarians about pot roast.

If The Jews discussed The Christians on The Jewish Board it would be inappropriate and out of place. I feel the same way here. You are discussing an entire religion behind that religion's back.

I'm always amused by the "Love God" people who can't wait to swipe at something they don't understand - such as Judaism. I think (much as you think about The Jew) that there are two problems with organized religion: (1) People who are repenting or regreting something or other and, therefore, have turned into zealots; (2) People who judge others based on "their" religious beliefs. Oh, wait, there's a third. People who can barely form words and sentences and suddenly see the light and feel compelled to discuss it (using words they barely understand).

"And I think the Jew alone is enough for anyone to come to their senses and recognize that there IS a God."

You've studied Christianity and that gives you insight into The Jews? Please.

And for the record, no, I'm not The Jew. And also I'm not going to discuss religion - I just "think" (in the same way you think about The Jew) that this is inappropriate.

There are people whose words are inspirational - Frchuck, Don, a handful of others. Everyone else it's judgmental, judgmental, judgmental.

Read The Holocaust Chronicle published by Louis Weber. After you've studied that, then come back and preach about what The Jews should and shouldn't expect and want and why they MIGHT want to live apart, in their own Country, with their own religion and maybe even their own language. Until then it is offensive to discuss The Jew on The Christian Board where there are no Jews posting.

And, yes, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti sounds like a good idea. It would be two for one. After we worship the Spaghetti we can eat it.

JK-


When did I give an INSIGHT to the Jew or their BELIEFS? I stated a FACT. There has been NO other peoples without a nation for 2000 years and kept their identity. I in no way had a question about the Jew nor was I ever putting them down or judging ANYONE. I stated what the Bible has said about God's chosen people... JEWS. What the BIBLE says! Not what I say. And it was GOOD stuff!! The God who never slumbers nor sleeps has his EYE on the Jews. And this is why I believe there is good proof that God is alive and his Word is true. It is EXCITING to see what God said come to pass. I'm GLAD that they have a nation... I"M GLAD they have the Hebrew language. I am FOR Israel. Not that what I am for matters. But I wasn't offensive.

My savior WAS a Jew! I love the Jews and I NEVER discussed their religion behind their backs. I quoted the Old Testament... I am sorry... is that off limits to me? Is history off limits to me?

BTW... Read your own post and then we can talk about judgmental people. And I may have trouble forming words and sentences but at least I don't ADD stuff in posts that aren't there.

Enjoy your spaghetti...

The Jew? Could you be more offensive? The Puerto Rican, the Black, are no less offensive.



[snip]

She was referring to the fact that the Jews as a people still exist, even after centuries of persecution and attempts to wipe them off the face of the earth, first by the Egyptians, then the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, the Romans, the Christians, the Nazis, the Soviet Union, you name an empire, they've tried to wipe out the Jews and erase them from existence. Not one has succeeded. That suggests, at least to Tess and many others, that there really is a God watching over them and keeping them intact as a people. Actually, I believe she said as much further down in her post. Coming after her like this is, I believe, a misrepresentation of her words and her post. If you look at the entirety of what she said, she was saying there is something special in God's eyes about the Jews, and He has a special love for them that is shown by their continued existence despite every effort to destroy them. That's a tribute, not a critique or a slam. I'm afraid you have not accurately represented her words. Theologically I may or may not agree with her, but if you're going to try to nail her like this, at least do her the courtesy of addressing what she really said.

I'm just asking innocently here. Why should I believe in something like that if there really is no evidence? I feel like I WANT to believe but It doesn't seem rational at all to me. Right now I believe in evolution. But apparently there's also no evidence of evolution. I just want proof. If you know of any proof of any deity (people sharing their near death experiences) or any proof of evolution, please share. ALSO: is it ok to believe in Jesus and not god? Or believe in Jesus and god but also believe in evolution? Thanks
Hi Annabear

Religion and science are asking two different questions when it comes to the one subject of study.

Science is only interested in how things function. In other words, science tries to explain the world in terms of how things work. This is like explaining how the internal combustion engine works. If we want to know why the engine works then we study each of the moving parts of the engine. What we end up with is an explanation of how and why the engine works.

The important point is that we are not interested in WHO ACTUALLY BUILT the engine. We can explain the working of the engine without the need to consider who built it. This is what evolution does. It gives us an explanation in terms of FUNCTION. Science is interested in explaining how the universe FUNCTIONS.

If we want to consider PURPOSE then we are interested in WHO ACTUALLY BUILT IT. In the case of the universe, it becomes a question of who actually built it and why. This is what religion does.

So far we can see two attempts at answer the same question, but we end up with two different explanations. Why? The answer is quite simple. We are asking different questions. We can ask a question in terms of PURPOSE or we can ask a question in terms of FUNCTION.

If you ask the right question then you will get the right answer. So what is the right question? Roughly speaking,at our present state of knowledge about the universe, no one knows the right question to ask.
In other words, we need an answer that will explain both function and purpose at the same time. There is no such explanation at the moment.

The error a lot of people make is to assume that function will provide an explanation for purpose and purpose will provide an explanation for function. Once we assume this then all sorts of confusions result.

This is a rough explanation but it may provide a beginning for a more refined understanding of the problem.

[ Actually, I believe she said as much further down in her post. Coming after her like this is, I believe, a misrepresentation of her words and her post. If you look at the entirety of what she said, she was saying there is something special in God's eyes about the Jews, and He has a special love for them that is shown by their continued existence despite every effort to destroy them. That's a tribute, not a critique or a slam. I'm afraid you have not accurately represented her words. Theologically I may or may not agree with her, but if you're going to try to nail her like this, at least do her the courtesy of addressing what she really said.

Thank you - this is why I don't ever "argue" religion. People who have an agenda twist and turn words to fit that agenda.

I appreciate your courtesy.

I BTW....Read your own post and then we can talk about judgmental people. And I may have trouble forming words and sentences but at least I don't ADD stuff in posts that aren't there.

Enjoy your spaghetti....


As usual when you and I discuss anything you've gone off and over the top.

Please stop using caps - it's the same as shouting at me.

Your "I may have trouble forming words and sentences ..." is, of course, a carry over from a very old argument/discussion we had, which argument/discussion you apparently can't get beyond. I'll have to dig up your "apology" over that thread.

An example of how The Christian moves on?

As usual when you and I discuss anything you've gone off and over the top.

Please stop using caps - it's the same as shouting at me.

Your "I may have trouble forming words and sentences ..." is, of course, a carry over from a very old argument/discussion we had, which argument/discussion you apparently can't get beyond. I'll have to dig up your "apology" over that thread.

An example of how The Christian moves on?
Let's review, you attacked my post, you said I was insulting, you misrepresented my words and I'm the one that isn't moving on and over the top in my response. Hello? Can anyone say "projection?

A christian is a human being with feelings. It doesn't mean I'm suppose to just lay down and let anyone say what they want to about me or my post.

I have no clue what you are talking about in regards to me having trouble forming words and sentences in some old discussion. I just repeated it because you said it in this thread. You dig up whatever it is you need to. Unlike you, I don't have it anywhere to dig up. I did move on. I'd say this is the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

I have no clue what you are talking about in regards to me having trouble forming words and sentences in some old discussion. I just repeated it because you said it in this thread..


Here's what you said: "And I may have trouble forming words and sentences ..."

Where did I say that?

JK..

Sigh... thanks for digging that up. I guess you have moved on... my bad.


I posted in this thread to answer the OP question. Incidentally, I didn't read your answer to the OP.

Anyway.. I stand by my thoughts. I believe the Jewish people are what proves God's word is truth.

JK..

sigh...thanks for digging that up. I guess you have moved on...my bad.


I posted in this thread to answer the OP question. Incidently, I didn't read your answer to the OP.

Anyway..i stand by my thoughts. I believe the Jewish people are what proves God's word is truth.


Dig it up? It's #32, several posts above this. Where do you think you said it or can't you remember what you post from hour to hour? Apparently you don't because #37 says, "I have no clue what you are talking about in regards to me having trouble forming words and sentences in some old discussion."

At least you now say Jewish people and not The Jews.

At least you now say Jewish people and not The Jews.

I don't see the difference. I took graduate courses from several Rabbis and they used the expression "the Jews." I'm not sure what your problem is.

I don't see the difference. I took graduate courses from several Rabbis and they used the expression "the Jews." I'm not sure what your problem is.


I don't have a problem. I'd be curious to know which Rabbis used the phrase "The" (with a capital "T") Jews. I also took courses and classes and those (Orthodox) Rabbis found the phrase offensive and derogatory.

They preferred the Jewish People.

Oh, wait - I do have a problem. I have a problem when someone posts something and within a handful of hours can't remember what she said.

The Jew?

I'm always amused by the "Love God" people who can't wait to swipe at something they don't understand - such as Judaism. I think (much as you think about The Jew) that there are two problems with organized religion: (1) People who are repenting or regreting something or other and, therefore, have turned into zealots; (2) People who judge others based on "their" religious beliefs. Oh, wait, there's a third. People who can barely form words and sentences and suddenly see the light and feel compelled to discuss it (using words they barely understand).



Post number 30 comes before 32. You said it in your critical overview in my answer to the OP. I assumed it was directed to me as the rest of the response was directed to me. Then I assumed you dug it up from something I said before. I couldn't imagine saying it as I think I do well in forming words and sentences. Some people just don't care for them.

I don't know why "JEW" is offensive.. and "Jewish" is not. But if I have offended anyone by saying using that term... a biblical one... ( wait... we are on the christianity board.. aren't we?) than I am sincerely sorry.

Again JK... I have yet to see your response to the OP. I will scroll upward... must have missed it. :)

Oh, wait - I do have a problem. I have a problem when someone posts something and within a handful of hours can't remember what she said.

Likewise.

Again JK...i have yet to see your response to the OP. I will scroll upward...must have missed it. :)


Very passive/aggressive. Touché.

Not bro my dear, more like sister, but no problem

"Sorry tickle" GOD BLESS :-)