On probation for disorderly conduct. Doing randoms for it. Urine came back diluted. Could there be something wrong with my kidneys not working right or something? I haven't done drugs or drank alcohol. Hope can I prove it?

On probation for disorderly conduct. Doing randoms for it. Urine came back diluted. Could there be something wrong with my kidneys not working right or something? I haven't done drugs or drank alcohol. Hope can I prove it?

What were the readings? Creatinine, specific gravity, pH? Each should be on the printout.

Creatinine. I'm very cautious about drinking water and how much of it. Never have more than 2 glasses a day. They said I would have had to drink gallons of water to dilute it, but I haven't. Went to the Dr to ask him to order me some type of urinalisis test to see if there was something wrong with me. Told him the situation of course. Only words he told me were guilty until proven innocent. Told me by looking at me that there was nothing medically wrong with me. I told him if I was guilty, why would I pay $100 to see if there was something wrong with me. Obviously, if I had done something, I already would've known. Hence saving $100...

First two glasses only is not near healthy enough, you need to double or triple that just for your kidneys and body to work properly

The more I drink water, the more diluted the tests are. But I have excessive thirst either way. Is there any way to prove my innocence?

On probation for disorderly conduct. Doing randoms for it. Urine came back diluted. Hello m:

Diluted doesn't LEGALLY sound dirty. Seems like drinking a lot of water would do that, and there's nothing illegal about drinking water... Sounds to me like "diluted" is just another word, for let's "BUST his a$$" and use this BOGUS reason..

I'd demand a second test. Do it in writing, and be polite. Send your letter certified, return receipt requested... Yeah, they're not going to like it... So? Doesn't sound like they're being especially friendly.

excon

Well, here's what happened..
I got out of jail last October. Went in for my first random and gave me a mouth swab. Stupid me, I assumed they all would be swabs, since never being in the situation before. 3 days later, called in again for urine test. Wasn't prepared as I thought it'd be a swab again. Couldn't pee enough so they revoked. Went to 2 separate agencies and had 3 tests done to prove myself that same day. That made them irate. Also made them mad that I turned myself in and bailed myself out at the same time. Few months ago, urine came back diluted. I couldn't understand why. Went for my last one June 17. Went to probation the 25th of this month for another random. Got arrested right there. They waited over a month so I couldn't prove myself again. They hate me because they think I'm trying to beat the system and that is not the case. I don't know what to do. I go to court for this on the 9th and I'm scared to death because I know they're trying to get me before my prob is up in Oct. I've made them very angry by trying to prove my innocence. I need to know how to prove it this time...

Believe excon has hit it on the nose. The letter is a good idea.

Here is a link that provides information on how the term "dilute" is applied in lab drug testing.

USDTL Newsletter (http://www.usdtl.com/uploads/rte/files/generalnewsletterv2i1_FD_121610.pdf)

Thanks soooo much. Wouldn't believe how much I appreciate advice and suggestions right now!

Thanks soooo much. Wouldn't believe how much I appreciate advice and suggestions right now!

Use of swab is at least as effective as urinalysis. Both tests can be performed at the same time. If they are somehow dedicated to UA then it is simple enough to perform a scheduled observed collection. You report 3 hours early and stay there and then the sample collection is observed. That overcomes any question of internal or external dilution. You may want to offer that as a solution. The testing agency should have.

The problem of diluted samples is ubiquitous in the drug testing field. That it should pose a problem for an agency that regularly tests is simply ridiculous. Which reinforces the points of excon.

I've made them very angry by trying to prove my innocence. I need to know how to prove it this time....Hello again, m:

Yes, they don't like to be challenged..

Couple things. First off, even with your letter, I don't think they'll test you again. Besides, as you said, we're in a different time frame now... But, I wanted you to DOCUMENT your situation... In fact, I think you should write another letter to them, citing the very facts you outlined in the above post...

No, not to get them to do anything. But, to show the judge who will be the guy who HEARS the violation charges and sustains them or not. I'd also download the stuff Dr. Bill turned you onto. If you can afford to hire a lawyer, I'd do that...

Finally, you can't "prove" yourself innocent.. Only guilt can be proven... Besides, they don't need proof anyway.. This isn't a trial where they need to prove stuff beyond a reasonable doubt. If the judge thinks you did it, that's all it takes... If this is going to happen, and it probably will, just cruise with it and KNOW that you fought the good fight...

At this point, in my view, your only hope is that your documentation will embarrass them so much, that they'll be ashamed to bring it up in front of a judge.

excon

Believe excon has hit it on the nose. The letter is a good idea.

Here is a link that provides information on how the term "dilute" is applied in lab drug testing.

USDTL Newsletter (http://www.usdtl.com/uploads/rte/files/generalnewsletterv2i1_FD_121610.pdf)

“… A number of medical conditions, medications and circumstances may explain a low creatinine result. Medical conditions, such as glomerulunephrititis or renal failure, may result in low creatinine, as well as working in the sun while consuming a lot of fluids. Use of diuretics dilutes the urine. …”

Ok Im on house arrest. I got an observed uds(urine drug screen) 1 sent to lab, not dipstick. It was possibly dirty for pot & Benzos (Xanax specifically) ,I smoked 1/2 a joint 9 days ago & had 7 bar Xanaxs (14 of the blue 1 mg 1s) over the course of Friday, sat,& sun. I don't need any lectures of how I should have stayed clean- I know that. What happened was this: I dk it was going to be observed because the previous 1 wasn't. I had clean urine in my bra, I just couldn't use it. I didn't pee enough the 1st time so they had me drink water 1/2 of a 32oz.pop to be specific) .the lady that observed the uds had me save the 1st sample,when I cld go again,she had me combine the 2 samples. She checked that the toilet wasn't flushed after I peed. Then by a stroke of luck,my HA guy hates handling UDS samples so he sent me to the bathroom 2 get a papertowel to sit the sample on so we cld apply stickers,bag it, etc. I took the urine with me,dumped 3/4 of it out & filled it up w/ water (not all the way up just enough to make up the difference). It got bagged & tagged just fine.it will be litmus tested , then GCMSed. I don't think it will even be GCMSed because it won't pass the integrity test. My ? Is when it comes back diluted can I get in trouble because it was observed?

Mickey- I am so sorry my ? Came up on your thread, 1st time user to this site & I messed up