I am learning disabled, unemployed and been looking for work for over a year and a half now. I do not have much work experience. Sigh. I have come to point where I am on public assistance but still unable to pay my utility bills. They are going to shut everything off the day after tomorrow. No air no phone nothing.

I know people have a lot of problems in this world, but I reach my wits end. I try to get on programs to help myself but nothing pans out, just keep getting run around. Family have give me money in the past and cannot ask them anymore. I have no friends.

I want to know when it's considered okay to commit suicide if you cannot handle your outstanding bills and have no ways to remedy them?

Everyone want to say 'oh don't do it,' but yet I have no other solutions.

I am learning disabled, unemployed and been looking for work for over a year and a half now. I do not have much work experience. Sigh. I have come to point where I am on public assistance but still unable to pay my utility bills. they are going to shut everything off the day after tomorrow. no air no phone nothing.

i know people have a lot of problems in this world, but i reach my wits end. i try to get on programs to help myself but nothing pans out, just keep getting run around. family have give me money in the past and cannot ask them anymore. i have no friends.

i want to know when it's considered okay to commit suicide if you cannot handle your outstanding bills and have no ways to remedy them?

everyone want to say 'oh don't do it,' but yet i have no other solutions.

PLEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE DO NOT DO IT!! You would hurt your family and you would hurt me. :( would it be possible to move in with one of your family members? At least you would have a place to live and food to eat, and while you are there you could look up jobs and stuff to get back on your feet :) stay strong

No I cannot live with them, there's not many of them in the first place but made it clear I cannot stay with them in the past. :(

Also like I said every one say 'don't do it' but I don't care anymores. I have NO other solution for these issue. I really don't care about 'hurting' other people how is that going to help me? It's not. So who cares what they think they are not the ones in my situation. Ty.

Would you do me a favor and wait?

no i cannot live with them, there's not many of them in the first place but made it clear i cannot stay with them in the past. :(

also like i said every one say 'don't do it' but i don't care anymores. i have NO other solution for these issue. i really don't care about 'hurting' other people how is that going to help me? it's not. so who cares what they think they are not the ones in my situation. ty.
Your right, not hurting people isn't going to help you but I wanted you to know that you mean something to someone. :) would it be possible to go to a homeless shelter? :/

I have got money from an agency to fix this problem! If I had commit suicide I never would have fix it. But every time I have a problem I cannot fix my mind just goes to suicide. Do not know how to stop this. Sigh. Ty.

The issue here is, if you are on government assitance, you can get a free phone, ask your case working, You should get food stamps, medicaid and so on. So you may have to find a boarding or rooming house, even a shelter, but we all have to start over somewhere

Yes I need learn to start over but just want to give up instead

People who live through suicide attempts always are grateful because they realize their problems weren't as bad as they seemed. Pick up the phone and call a suicide hotline. The operator can connect you. I bet they can refer you to the services you need. Please live!

yes i need learn to start over but just want to give up instead


I don't understand how you can be suicidal here and over here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/adult-sexuality/confused-about-sexuality-halfway-through-adulthood-686278-2.html) concerned about your sexuality and dating.

At any rate I'm sure you've heard it all. My best friend killed herself (suicide doesn't even come close to describing it - she KILLED herself) and has left scars on all of us, her friends, her family. Maybe you care about the people around you, maybe you don't.

Would her problems have resolved themselves - I'll never know. Neither will she.

And the World lost a good person who was having a bad time.

I don't understand how you can be suicidal here and over here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/adult-sexuality/confused-about-sexuality-halfway-through-adulthood-686278-2.html) concerned about your sexuality and dating.

At any rate I'm sure you've heard it all. My best friend killed herself (suicide doesn't even come close to describing it - she KILLED herself) and has left scars on all of us, her friends, her family. Maybe you care about the people around you, maybe you don't.

Would her problems have resolved themselves - I'll never know. Neither will she.

And the World lost a good person who was having a bad time.


You don't understand it but I do. You can be both suicidal and still have to live in this world with these people everyday and concern yourself with the samethings they do until you do die.

Sorry hears about your best friend. Nothing I can really say about her situation because I don't know her or her circumstance why she believe it was in her best intersest kill herself.

Are you taking any medications to deal with Asperger's?

There is no medications for a.s. I take a depression medicine and anti anxiety medicine. That's it

You may need an adjustment on your meds if you are suicidal and on depression and anti-anxiety meds.

They always adjusts them and doesn't matter never does anything anyway.

they always adjusts them and doesnt matter never does anything anyway.


You have a negative response to every suggestion. I do agree with the other thread - you don't want help.

You just want to feel sorry for yourself.

Are you going to lose computer access when your utiities go off?

You have a negative response to every suggestion. I do agree with the other thread - you don't want help.

You just want to feel sorry for yourself.

Are you going to lose computer access when your utiities go off?



It wasn't a 'negative' response it was the damn truth. Like I said in the other thread I don't know what your problem is and don't care. If you don't want to stay on the topics here then go to ANOTHER THREAD, instead of telling me what I "just want to do," which you have no idea what you're talking about anyway because you are not me. Has nothing to do with the other peoples posts here, instead it's just creating a useless back and forth with you.

it wasnt a 'negative' response it was the damn truth. like i said in the other thread i dont know what your problem is and don't care. if you don't want to stay on the topics here then go to ANOTHER THREAD, instead of telling me what I "just want to do," which you have no idea what you're talking about anyways b/c you are not me.
I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, but you came to ask for our help/advice. We are not paid to help. We tried to help you, but you don't seem to want any advice. I have worked with many people with Asperger's. With meds helping control symptoms and counseling, they have gone on to lead productive lives. If your meds aren't helping, and you truly do need help, see a new Dr.

they always adjusts them and doesnt matter never does anything anyway.
Which meds are you taking and at what dosage?

Are you going for counseling at least once a week?

I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, but you came to ask for our help/advice. We are not paid to help. We tried to help you, but you don't seem to want any advice. I have worked with many people with Asperger's. With meds helping control symptoms and counseling, they have gone on to lead productive lives. If your meds aren't helping, and you truly do need help, see a new Dr.
Like I said I didn't have a problem with your suggesting but what do you expect me to pretend like I haven't tried that a few times? That's why I told the truth and said I did already. I had a problem with that lady coming in here going off topic and insulting me, telling me what I want and think when she have no idea what's she talking about.

I know people say the aspergers people other then myself go on and lead great lives get married etc. but its always someone else story not mine no matter what I try. I think my time better invested at this point in purchasing a gun to get off this planet.

Which meds are you taking and at what dosage?

Are you going for counseling at least once a week?


Hereis the medicines I took before: pritiq, cymbalta. And now I take wellbutrin250mg. And I also takes vistaril 50mg

I go for the therapy with this woman and I don't like the cbt she is trying to do on me. It's just so stupid honestly. I am tired of trying now. Sigh.

hereis the medicines i took before: pritiq, cymbalta. and now i take wellbutrin250mg. and i also takes vistaril 50mg

i go for the therapy with this woman and i dont like the cbt she is trying to do on me. it's just so stupid honestly. i am tired of trying now. sigh.
Why don't you like the CBT?

Do you take your meds when you are supposed to and the right amount, or do you play around with taking them?

I don't like the cbt because okay it's a type of therapy that she does. In it she tells me how to changes my thoughts and keep insist that I am in control of all of them. I am tired of trying to control my thoughts. Its so stupid. She says other people can do it but I can't DO IT. It's just frustrating and I don't want to hear anymore about the cbt. But that's all she wants to talk about to me.

I used to play around with the medications but I do not do that for like a year now. Its just frustration with this world and not fitting in anywheres. And also I get tired of people "oh you feels sorry for yourself." I'm tired of it since they know it all why do I bother being in this world with them then.

How often do you meet with her? Does she come to your house?

What are you some kind of doctor wondergirl and know about this therapy and medications or something?

Now she talk for over 5 month about group therapy and how I need to TRY something and try it. Okay so I do it and once again it don't work out. Dead ends

I goes to her once a week. I go to the office where she's at and where the doctor that gives me the medicine is at. They are in a building in my town.

I have come to believe life is for some people and not others. The ones its not for should just get it over with and stop trying to be a part of it because its never going to happen.

What do you think you need help with as the #1 thing?

I am 32 wondergirls. I just wanted to be a part of the normal life. Instead of watching everyone else. That's all. I couldn't ever figure it out so now I don't want to be bothered with it anymore. Ty

Okay. Does the counselor know that? And she thinks CBT will make it happen?

Does your counselor know that she is supposed to get involved with you and stuff that she wants you to do? She can't just sit there in her cushy office and tell you how she thinks your life can get better by changing your thinking. She has to move her butt and get physically involved. If she wants you to go horseback riding, then as a CBT counselor, she has to go with you and ride a horse too. If she wants you to volunteer at a nursing home, she has to go with you and volunteer too and show you the ropes. She is your counselor and your real-time coach. I know this. I used to be a CBT counselor.

Okay. Does the counselor know that? And she thinks CBT will make it happen?

Does your counselor know that she is supposed to get involved with you and stuff that she wants you to do? She can't just sit there in her cushy office and tell you how she thinks your life can get better by changing your thinking. She has to move her butt and get physically involved. If she wants you to go horseback riding, then as a CBT counselor, she has to go with you and ride a horse too. If she wants you to volunteer at a nursing home, she has to go with you and volunteer too and show you the ropes. She is your counselor and your real-time coach. I know this. I used to be a CBT counselor.


What's a CBT counselor? I really don't know.

Cognitive-behavioral Therapy (CBT) --

cognitive = thinking
behavioral = actions

Change the way a person thinks about something so that person's actions will change.

Cognitive-behavioral Therapy (CBT) --

cognitive = thinking
behavioral = actions

Change the way a person thinks about something so that person's actions will change.


Off to read up - thanks.

Okay. Does the counselor know that? And she thinks CBT will make it happen?

Does your counselor know that she is supposed to get involved with you and stuff that she wants you to do? She can't just sit there in her cushy office and tell you how she thinks your life can get better by changing your thinking. She has to move her butt and get physically involved. If she wants you to go horseback riding, then as a CBT counselor, she has to go with you and ride a horse too. If she wants you to volunteer at a nursing home, she has to go with you and volunteer too and show you the ropes. She is your counselor and your real-time coach. I know this. I used to be a CBT counselor.

She don't get out of the office and go do nothing like that with me. She cant. She have client after me I go for one hour a week. She justs is tell me to snap a rubberband when I have negative thought and replace with positive thoughts. But I can't do it. I am tired of trying to lie to myself.

It is too late for me to be a normal part of life wondergirl. Don't you see that? I am now too old and out of the game for any men to want me and also I don't have friends and don't want them. So what's the point of living.

It is your responsibility as a paying client to snap this counselor into reality. She is not doing what she should be doing. Snapping a rubber band on your wrist is pathetic and apparently doesn't help you. It's no wonder you feel hopeless!

The next time you see her, I want you to do what I advised my clients to do with me when something wasn't working for them -- raise your hand up in the air and say "Stop! This isn't working for me! This counseling isn't helping me!" When she recovers from her shock, I'm hoping she will begin to ask you honest questions and figure out a better and more effective way to do the counseling.

Let me know what happened.

I don't want to causes trouble and tell her how to do her job though. I am not trained therapist in anything.

I don't want to causes trouble and tell her how to do her job though. i am not trained therapist in anything.
No, you are the client. Do you pay her money for therapy? You are the customer, the consumer. It is your responsibility to tell her this is not working for you. She needs to know that so she can adjust how she does counseling with you. Otherwise, you are not being fair to her.

This is not to cause trouble. It is to help your therapy.

If you don't, she is clueless and you are angry and hopeless. Nothing positive gets done.

No I do not pay money I am on assistance until I can find someone hire me. She's a nice lady and everything.

no i do not pay money i am on assistance until i can find someone hire me. shes a nice lady and everything.
But you are not a happy client who is improving.

Well wondergirl that's why I think I should just quit the therapy. It doesn't seem working for me I been in it for 2 and a half years now. Everybody else I knows my age is married have kids or live in partners or whatever and good jobs. I did what I could to try and make it happen for myself but it doesn't work out ever. I don't believe there's much hope for myself anymore. Its simply too late to try and fix anything now.

well wondergirl thats why i think i should just quit the therapy. it doesnt seem working for me
Therapy isn't working for you because you and the therapist are working against each other. Does she know you are not happy with the therapy? She needs to know that.

And don't you dare quit! You are still very young with plenty of time ahead of you to make this work better.

I have to chime in.. Your comment about it is simply to late to try is bull. I am in my 40s and started DBT for my issues. Is it hard work YES. Was it easy NO but I am starting to live a life worth living. I have learned new coping mechanisms, am learning Interpersonal skills and off all my mental health medications..
Did I get the help I needed the first time I went out looking heck no. I had to keep looking take what worked from each bit I learned. I too wanted to quit my therapy(DBT) as they were asking the impossible and in fact did walk out once. Change is hard and I had to listen and try even the hard stuff. I still struggle with issues but know skills to use to help me.

IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO GET HELP NO MATTER YOUR AGE.

Well mogrann that's all well and good for your situation and if you have the patience and whatever to keep beating down doors then that's fine. But I'm not you. I really have just had it altogether. I'd rather spend my time looking for ways to get the hell off this planet. I had it with the ways of people and things that go on. None of it make any sense. If I couldve got something to go right by now, maybe I would be thinking different. The coping mechenism and all that garbage doesn't do nothing for me and maybe it's not meant to either.

Have you ever had a positive thought in your life, redlipstick?

Therapy isn't working for you because you and the therapist are working against each other. Does she know you are not happy with the therapy? She needs to know that.

And don't you dare quit! You are still very young with plenty of time ahead of you to make this work better.



I can't tell her I'm not happy with the therapy because that's not true. I just think it don't work regardless if it's her or another therapist which I did have 2 other before her. Far as I can tell it's just a bunch of crap that other people claim work for the but it never work for me. Just tired of hearing about other people success all the time and how they claim 'it could be me too,' it's just lies. I had it with ALL OF IT.

well mogrann that's all well and good for your situation and if you have the patience and whatever to keep beating down doors then that's fine. but i'm not you. i really have just had it altogether. i'd rather spend my time looking for ways to get the hell off of this planet. i had it with the ways of people and things that go on. none of it make any sense. if i couldve got something to go right by now, maybe i would be thinking different. the coping mechenism and all that garbage doesn't do nothing for me and maybe it's not meant to either.


I think this has gone on long enough - this person neither needs nor wants help. She just wants to whine and complain.

I have no idea why it takes time to figure out ways to get the hell off this planet.

I see nothing but argument at every turn, at every suggestion.

I appreciate that this person needs personalized intervention. I'm just not sure that this is the forum for that.

And, no, OP has never had a positive thought or experience - I think that's apparent, nor does she WANT to have a positive thought or experience. She complains that she can't find a job, doesn't have any friends, isn't married, doesn't have children (thank God!).

Goodness knows WG has advanced degrees. All I tried to do was stay awake, so she comes from a far better, more educated place than I come from. My thought is that this thread, these posts, are purely for the attention - the heading alone ("When is it 'okay' to commit suicide over problems") gives an idea about the mindset of the OP. This person would set her hair on fire and run through the streets if she thought people would notice.

Again - English major, not Psych major but... I think the reasons are apparent. I'm just not sure that playing games here is helping anyone.

Judy if you don't want to post in the thread then move to another one. Everyone else is communicating on topic except you. You keep coming back and telling people what they should and shouldn't be doing and also attempting to tell me about my own life and thoughts (which you know nothing about) excepts what I have posted on here. Just move along already if this thread isn't what you want. Otherwise stop trying to bullguard everyone else into not communicating with me about this, its not an argument or rejecting suggestions. I tell the truth. I am getting responses and talking it out with them, there's nothing else to be said to you except you don't like the thread --- so go on another one.

Edit: as 2 examples: of you talking out your behind and not knowing anything about me: I would not do anything to get noticed. If that was the case I wouldn't stay in most of the times and avoid people. Again, you don't what you're talking about where I am concerned or my life experiences. Second example: it take time to find ways to get off the planet because I do not have access too somes of the things I have looked up. Do not want to end up a vegetable.

Anways point is: nobody is twisting your arm but yet you keep coming back to a conversation you think is a 'waste of time,'

Have you ever had a positive thought in your life, redlipstick?

Well aside from judy thinking she knows what goes on in life. I'll answer this for myself. Yes I has wondergirl. I was mostly positive all my life I believed if I did all the right things it would work out for me just like everyone else my age back then. Up until a few years ago when I see things are not working for me no matter what I choose. I go to school get an education get friends and try to blend in. but it end up not mattering what I try I still end up way far behind peers in life despite doing similar things as them. So that tells me I am really not meant to be here if things don't work out the same or similar to them by this point.

Redlipstick, this is what you say to your counselor --

"i just think it don't work regardless if it's you or another therapist which i did have 2 other before you. far as i can tell it's just a bunch of crap that other people claim work for the but it never work for me. just tired of hearing about other people success all the time and how they claim 'it could be me too,' it's just lies. i had it with ALL OF IT."

By the way, Judy is my other half. We're a team, Judy and me.

so that tells me i am really not meant to be here if things don't work out the same or similar to them
No, that is NOT what it tells you, not at all.

You ARE meant to be here.

Let's make things work out.

redlipstick, this is what you say to your counselor --

"i just think it don't work regardless if it's you or another therapist which i did have 2 other before you. far as i can tell it's just a bunch of crap that other people claim work for the but it never work for me. just tired of hearing about other people success all the time and how they claim 'it could be me too,' it's just lies. i had it with ALL OF IT."

By the way, Judy is my other half. We're a team, Judy and me.

OK. Honestly I sees her tomorrow at 1pm. I will say this to her because it's not like telling her how to do her job and I will tell you what she said too.

And if judy is your so called other half you should tells her to stop trying to mind read and control the other posters on here that are participating on the topic. If she do not want to come back she is not obligated to.

No, that is NOT what it tells you, not at all.

You ARE meant to be here.

Let's make things work out.



I am being serious. I don't know how you can figure that is not what it mean when you looks at other people lives and see the same patterns then look at your own and see the opposite and nothing at all despite all of you did the same things in the beginning?

Besides saying what you said to the therapists I don't know how to make them work out anymore. I just don't.

OK. Honestly I sees her tomorrow at 1pm. I will say this to her because it's not like telling her how to do her job and I will tell you what she said too.
YES, YES, YES! Wonderful!! Be sure to tell me what happened. Mention my name (Carol) if you want to and this thread. You can even tell her I have a master's in psychology and am a counselor (really, I am!). Tell her I want your therapy to be a good thing and be successful -- and you do too.

and if judy is your so called other half you should tells her to stop trying to mind read and control the other posters on here that are participating on the topic. If she do not want to come back she is not obligated to.
I love Judy (even though she can be cranky at times). She always gives me something to think about. She is very smart and is like a drum, while I am like a piano -- different, but we can make beautiful music together.

i am being serious. i dont know how you can figure that is not what it mean when you looks at other people lives and see the same patterns then look at your own and see the opposite and nothing at all despite all of you did the same things in the beginning?

besides saying what u said to the therapists i dont know how to make them work out anymore. i just don't.
I married a guy with Asperger's and we have a child who is autistic. So I should give up too?

I married a guy with Asperger's and we have a child who is autistic. So I should give up too?



no. if he/you is married then that is what I am talking about. If child is grown up and married again. That's what I'm saying. People seems to find a way to make a normal life excepts for me. It just is not in the cards I don't think at this point 32 years old and nothing to show for it. Even though I did try like everyone else

He had no choice. I made him marry me. He may hate it, I don't know.

Our son will never marry or drive or have friends, so he should kill himself?

YES, YES, YES!! wonderful!!!!!! Be sure to tell me what happened. Mention my name (Carol) if you want to and this thread. You can even tell her I have a master's in psychology and am a counselor (really, I am!). Tell her I want your therapy to be a good thing and be successful -- and you do too.

I love Judy (even though she can be cranky at times). She always gives me something to think about. She is very smart and is like a drum, while I am like a piano -- different, but we can make beautiful music together.



Okay well I did not knows about your degrees in this. My therapist is doing her ma degree psychology she have to take patients like me for it for a few years now. Somebody told me if I do not do what all she say she will have to drops me for a client because thereis no point/progress in me. I don't have no one else to talk to excepts the therapists and I hopes she don't drop me.

She said the group therapy going to help me for months and I did it and it was not good at all. I hate it and decide never to go back.

He had no choice. I made him marry me. He may hate it, I don't know.

Our son will never marry or drive or have friends, so he should kill himself?



Well I am not going totell your son what all he should do but I do feels if you are never getting a normal life then why waste time, you know? Whatever his age if he does not have a normal life like other peoples and marriage children etc. then what is the point of staying here? Again, not saying he should do this but if he looks at his situation and see no hope. Then I geuss there's the answer. Can't you see wondergirl this world is made for people to fit together that is the same not outsiders.

My degree is an MS which is even better than an MA. :) (I had lots of math.)

She won't make you quit. You are a challenge. She will be a much better counselor if she is able to figure you out.

Be relieved you aren't MY client!!

So if my son won't ever marry or drive or have friends, there is no reason to keep living? He's 41, by the way.

And all the people in wheelchairs should commit suicide because they don't have a normal life? And all the old people in nursing homes should commit suicide because they don't have a normal life? And doctors should kill all the new babies that are disabled in some way because those babies won't have a normal life?

What the heck is "normal"?

so what are you saying you drop your clients then when they are lost cause in your opinion?
I have never had a client who was a "lost cause"! There is no such thing.

I don't believe she has to figure me out there is no figuring imo some people need admit they are beyond help anymore. Maybe if I was 21 or 22 and was starting there would be more hope but not at my age. Sorry to say
Then you are missing the boat on what therapy is. The counselor figures out the client, and the client figures out the counselor, Once they get each other figured out, they work together to get things done.

well I don't know what all the peoples disabled should do and all the old peoples in the nursing home. If I was in their shoes sorry to say that's what I would do, commits suicide. Just because people say there's so much life to live they are not in those situations to say what kind of life is life for those people, they are using their own life as a measurement to come to that determination.
No, they are NOT using their life as a measurement. My autistic son is capable of certain things, but I don't demand that he drive or have friends or get married so he is "normal" just like me. I accept him just as he is and accept both his strengths and his weaknesses and let him be who he is.

you know damn well what's normal is come on: normal is you go on dates as a teen, normal is go to dances in hs, normal is you go to college and parties and dates. Normal is you get a job and normal is you get marry and get a house/apt and/or have kids. That's why you see it's a pattern and most every other adult has these things. Because it's normal.
NO ONE is normal. We are all individuals with our unique abilities. We are not like cookies cut out from the same cookie cutter.

My father would not let me go to school dances, so did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and like everyone else? I couldn't date until I was 16, but the other girls dated much earlier. Did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and not like the other kids? I couldn't go to parties because they were in town and we lived out in the country 10 miles away and my father refused to drive me to the parties. Did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and like the other kids?

He had no choice. I made him marry me. He may hate it, I don't know.

Our son will never marry or drive or have friends, so he should kill himself?


And this is why you are my dear friend, why I trust you totally, why you do good work, how you get to the point. I enjoy the "where is the person going, what is this person doing" aspect... and you focus in on the "why." I knew you would get around to your husband and son. Always brutally honest, sharing, helpful. Shakes me back to the reality of other people's lives every time.

Sometimes a thread has to be shaken up to change direction and get to the chase. Someone has to be the enemy. I do have to smile. Someone else got there before I did - but I'm the enemy.

Cranky? That's a much nicer word than the usual description I heard. That other word also ends with "chy" and starts with a "b."

I hate wearing a black hat on these hot days.

I have never had a client who was a "lost cause"!! There is no such thing.

Then you are missing the boat on what therapy is. The counselor figures out the client, and the client figures out the counselor,. Once they get each other figured out, they work together to get things done.

No, they are NOT using their life as a measurement. My autistic son is capable of certain things, but I don't demand that he drive or have friends or get married so he is "normal" just like me. I accept him just as he is and accept both his strengths and his weaknesses and let him be who he is.

NO ONE is normal. We are all individuals with our unique abilities. We are not like cookies cut out from the same cookie cutter.

My father would not let me go to school dances, so did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and like everyone else? I couldn't date until I was 16, but the other girls dated much earlier. Did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and not like the other kids? I couldn't go to parties because they were in town and we lived out in the country 10 miles away and my father refused to drive me to the parties. Did I commit suicide because I wasn't "normal" and like the other kids?


Hello wondergirls I went to my therapy appointment. The only part I tell her is I cannot take it anymore and want it all to end and I also tell her that I do not think cbt work. And lastly I said I am tired of hearing about successes.

She told me I can have successes too but maybe I do not want them. And she said cbt do work because her other clients do it and it work for them. She want me to makes a list next time for what I want to happen in my life. I tell her I will make the list BUT I do not have any hope that what's on the list is going to ever happen.

She said do I need to go to emergency room for suicide or something like that and I said no. and then I have to do a suicide contract. Which is stupid because if you are going commit suicide who cares about that paper? She said she would be sad if something happen to me and feel guilty. But listen she will go on with her life I am pretty sure about that I told her.

Anyway ty

Maybe you did not commits suicide because your brain is normal like other people. Maybe you have a will to live or whatever they call it. You have a children and a husband and reason to live. I have a dog that someone could take in as a rescue or something. Personally I don't care what happens to me next I am just tired. If your sons cannot do most of the NORMAL things in life and you don't care and they don't care then it's not a problem. It's a problem when you wants to be normal but can't no matter what you try.

I'm glad you told her all that.

You have a misunderstanding what is normal. There is no normal.

Does anything make you feel happy?

Do you live anywhere near the Delaware River?

Hope you don't mind if I take a stab at a few things, just to try and get a better understanding of what's happening.
(I appologise beforehand for all spelling and grammar mistakes)

From what I've read so far and the fact you came to a 'help site' tells me you don't really want to commit suicide, but more along the lines of feeling 'obligated' to since you seem to put yourself down and label yourself as not worth it.

The parts I've read about you saying you don't have many friends or family that you might be able to stay with and staying in and avoiding people, makes me think that what might be one of the more central feeling is, your lonely.

Which feeling unloved, saying you won't be able to get married and such explains why your feeling so negative about yourself.

You said you don't feel unhappy with going to the therapy even though you don't think its working or is likely to work with you, so why keep going?

You know what I think, I think you go just for the human contact, you've said she is a nice lady, I think you go to the appointments, just to see and talk to her, because she seems like a friend, someone who wants to help.

I also think that you don't truly believe the things you've said about your disability holding you back, but you seem to be failing where other people who don't have this disability are doing well, so it must have something to do with why you feel so out of place right?

I mean, you have a dissability, and just that word seems to mean your at a disadvantage to everyone who doesn't, right?

And with the utilities thing going on, its just made things worse, the tip of an underwater iceberg, and seemingly brought it all to a head. I mean, what I'm getting is that you seem to think you won't be able to recover from this, and that you feel your life is as good as over, so why not go out on your own terms.

Am I close to anything with that lot?

Are there any Asperger's groups or groups for singles in your area that have social events and parties and stuff like that?

Lena, your title is when is it OK to commit suicide?
I claim it's OK whenever you want as long as you have no one dependent on you.
People who have terminal illnesses want to exit while they still have all their marbles. People who have lost the ability to do what they loved. Usually people with very dramatic losses to their bodies. Switzerland has legalized assisted suicide, and people from all over the world go there to die painlessly, with help (for a high fee though).
I assume that you aren't interested in violence to yourself and also don't want to end up a vegetable or otherwise unable to have control over your life after failure. I have a feeling you are also looking for reasons to stay alive. Nature designed us for survival. We can't just hold our breath and stop breathing, can we?
What I want to know from you is do you feel any better knowing that there is a trend in the world toward allowing people to time their exits the same way they time having babies and health care and trips south for the winter and all sorts of other controls over their lives? It follows that as the world gets geometrically overpopulated and also living longer and longer that 'timed death' would be a new concept.
If someone offered you this option today, would you take it?
Do you feel any relief knowing that you can go another day, and another day after that, and think about it later?
I know you don't like the 'oh please don't kill yourself' responses or the 'look at all the other people who struggle to live under horrible conditions.' So, what about my questions?

Hope you dont mind if i take a stab at a few things, just to try and get a better understanding of whats happening.
(i appologise beforehand for all spelling and grammar mistakes)

From what ive read so far and the fact you came to a 'help site' tells me you dont really want to commit suicide, but more along the lines of feeling 'obligated' to since you seem to put yourself down and label yourself as not worth it.

the parts ive read about you saying you dont have many friends or family that you might be able to stay with and staying in and avoiding people, makes me think that what might be one of the more central feeling is, your lonely.

which feeling unloved, saying you wont be able to get married and such explains why your feeling so negative about yourself.

you said you dont feel unhappy with going to the therapy even though you dont think its working or is likely to work with you, so why keep going?,

you know what i think, i think you go just for the human contact, you've said she is a nice lady, i think you go to the appointments, just to see and talk to her, because she seems like a friend, someone who wants to help.

I also think that you dont truly believe the things youve said about your disability holding you back, but you seem to be failing where other people who dont have this disability are doing well, so it must have something to do with why you feel so out of place right?

i mean, you have a dissability, and just that word seems to mean your at a disadvantage to everyone who doesnt, right?

and with the utilities thing going on, its just made things worse, the tip of an underwater iceberg, and seemingly brought it all to a head. I mean, what im getting is that you seem to think you wont be able to recover from this, and that you feel your life is as good as over, so why not go out on your own terms.

Am i close to anything with that lot?


Hello. Yes you are right about a lot of things here in this thread. It is no secrets to me I go to the therapies with that lady because she is nice and she doesn't ever call me names or make me feel stupid (most of the time). I can tell some subject make her uncomfortable so I don't talk about it like my problem with the men not wanting anything to do with me. There's nothing she can do about that anyway. She is just someone talk to because I had friends and drops them all years ago. I don't even care to find them no more. They had 'normal life' even though Wondergirl said it's no such thing. Most of them have job, families, kids, and partners, like socializing. I am just alone with a dog and its weird to these people so why bother going around them? So I don't.

I don't know what your life is like if you are one of these mentally stable people or if you are more normal with your own family or kids etc. I believes what holds me back is AS and never properly socialize as a child. So now I do not know any of the 'rules,' just becomes problems sigh.


The utilities was just the final straw and you're right about that, but now that's fix temporarily. I have become very very tired trying to fit into this world and convince at my age there's nothing left to change for me. I am too fars behind my peers now to look back and wish on anything. I know they all think I am weird because I don't have anything like them to show for OR they think I am lazy and did not try. But that's not true :( they just don't know what it's like to want normal life and can't ever have one. Ty

I know you don't like the 'oh please don't kill yourself' responses or the 'look at all the other people who struggle to live under horrible conditions.' So, what about my questions?


To the contrary I think this wouldn't be posted if there weren't "Oh, please don't kill yourself responses."

If someone said, "Who cares?" the thread would end.

To the contrary I think this wouldn't be posted if there weren't "Oh, please don't kill yourself responses."

If someone said, "Who cares?" the thread would end.

True, but I offer a different type of response, something very different in a sea of responses. I myself find it soothing and not at all inflammatory or negative.

Lena, your title is when is it OK to commit suicide?
I claim it's OK whenever you want as long as you have no one dependent on you.
People who have terminal illnesses want to exit while they still have all their marbles. People who have lost the ability to do what they loved. Usually people with very dramatic losses to their bodies. Switzerland has legalized assisted suicide, and people from all over the world go there to die painlessly, with help (for a high fee though).
I assume that you aren't interested in violence to yourself and also don't want to end up a vegetable or otherwise unable to have control over your life after failure. I have a feeling you are also looking for reasons to stay alive. Nature designed us for survival. We can't just hold our breath and stop breathing, can we?
What I want to know from you is do you feel any better knowing that there is a trend in the world toward allowing people to time their exits the same way they time having babies and health care and trips south for the winter and all sorts of other controls over their lives? It follows that as the world gets geometrically overpopulated and also living longer and longer that 'timed death' would be a new concept.
If someone offered you this option today, would you take it?
Do you feel any relief knowing that you can go another day, and another day after that, and think about it later?
I know you don't like the 'oh please don't kill yourself' responses or the 'look at all the other people who struggle to live under horrible conditions.' So, what about my questions?

I do not have children that's dependent. And I never heard of that thing in switzerland but I agree the terminal illness peoples should not have to live if they decide its too much for them. Not saying I am in their boat but I also have no life to live for like them. I never really did have a life in the first place even though I tried to get one like everyone else did

Well I wish I could holds my breath and stop it all but its not that easy. You cannot just do anything and become a veggie over it. I have look into two methods now. You can go to the subway and jump in front of the train but then I read online about the conductor is messed up mentally for his lifetime after someone did that to him. Sigh. The same thing about drive your car head on into tractor trailer. All the other method is either expensive or very dangerous.

My therapist say to be logical about it and I am. Look at my life I really don't have anything to show for if you're being honest about it. Now just like that other lady/man I don't know what your life is about either. For all I know you can be a disabled person yourself or you can have a family and be happy etc.

Well I like this question:

Do you feel any relief knowing that you can go another day, and another day after that, and think about it later?

I like that its always an option and nobody can makes me stay here. The way I look at it logical, why waste all the resources when you are just a waste of time? It makes no sense.

I'm glad you told her all that.

You have a misunderstanding what is normal. There is no normal.

Does anything make you feel happy?

Do you live anywhere near the Delaware River?



Hi wondergirl yes I guess I do not understand about what you mean there is no normal. To me there is and always will be. Its why they say some people are losers when they have nobody or 'cat ladies' when they live like me. Sigh.

I like music and I like books. What about you?

I live near the Delaware.

To the contrary I think this wouldn't be posted if there weren't "Oh, please don't kill yourself responses."

If someone said, "Who cares?" the thread would end.



Oh please judy only one person or two has even said that. Otherwise we just are all talking. Even if they did say 'oh just go do it,' that would be one response. Who cares. Again go to another place then. Jesus.

I like music and I like books. What about you?
I like those too. In fact, I write articles and stories. I was almost a music major in school, but switched to literature for some silly reason. Do you live near the library?

I live near the Delaware.
Warren County?

I like those too. In fact, I write articles and stories. I was almost a music major in school, but switched to literature for some silly reason.

Warren County?



I am not telling where I lives. Why are you trying to finds this out... literature is a good major you can read a lot of books and then write papers on them. Also there's jobs for english/lit majors in the world, I mean like teaching and things like that.

What is the lasts book you read wondergirl?

I just read a book called american rust. It was really good too. Also the hunger game

I am not telling where I lives. Why are you trying to finds this out
I know someone with Asperger's in Warren County -- thought you might know her.
literature is a good major you can read a lot of books and then write papers on them. Also there's jobs for english/lit majors in the world, I mean like teaching and things like that.
Yes, I read all those books and wrote all those papers and I taught school until I became a librarian.

I like thrillers right now. I recently finished reading all the books by Lee Child and am waiting for the new one to come out in September. Lee Child's main character is Jack Reacher. He is tall and handsome and headbutts the bad guys and he carries a fold-up toothbrush around with him as his only luggage. He buys new clothes every three days or so, and throws away the old, dirty ones. He has no car, but walks and hitches rides and always ends up helping people overcome evil somehow.

oh please judy only one person or two has even said that. otherwise we just are all talking. even if they did say 'oh just go do it,' that would be one response. who cares. again go to another place then. jesus.


You know the way you respond to me and not to other people who pretty much seem to say the same thing makes me wonder if we've crossed paths before - ?

Seems to be some old history here on your part.

I know someone with Asperger's in Warren County -- thought you might know her.
Yes, I read all those books and wrote all those papers and I taught school until I became a librarian.

I like thrillers right now. I recently finished reading all the books by Lee Child and am waiting for the new one to come out in September. Lee Child's main character is Jack Reacher. He is tall and handsome and headbutts the bad guys and he carries a fold-up toothbrush around with him as his only luggage. He buys new clothes every three days or so, and throws away the old, dirty ones. He has no car, but walks and hitches rides and always ends up helping people overcome evil somehow.



I never heard of lee child's before. I will check it out and it sounds like an action movie type book. Sigh. I been very very depressed that's all. I keep seeing everyone around with 'normal' lives and then these peoples on the internet claim there's no such thing as normal life. It's annoying. Well I am tired of it and only thing I can think of is I just want OUT. That's it. I have had it. I am never going to have a normal life and do not thinks I am capable of even trying to get one at this point.

i never heard of lee childs before. i will check it out and it sounds like an action movie type book. sigh. i been very very depressed that's all. i keep seeing everyone around with 'normal' lives and then these peoples on the internet claim there's no such thing as normal life. it's annoying. well i am tired of it and only thing i can think of is i just want OUT. that's it. i have had it. i am never going to have a normal life and do not thinks i am capable of even trying to get one at this point.
Have you read Janet Evanovich's mysteries or those by Lilian Jackson Braun? Or Gothic adventures by Daphne du Maurier? I especially like short stories -- stories by Bret Harte or Nathaniel Hawthorne are good.

I think more than anything you are bored. Are there singles groups in your area, groups that have activities and short trips and lunches together?

Have you read Janet Evanovich's mysteries or those by Lilian Jackson Braun? Or Gothic adventures by Daphne du Maurier? I especially like short stories -- stories by Bret Harte or Nathaniel Hawthorne are good.

I think more than anything you are bored. Are there singles groups in your area, groups that have activities and short trips and lunches together?


Raising my hand and recommending Ann Rule, anything she's written, anything!

Have you read Janet Evanovich's mysteries or those by Lilian Jackson Braun? Or Gothic adventures by Daphne du Maurier? I especially like short stories -- stories by Bret Harte or Nathaniel Hawthorne are good.

I think more than anything you are bored. Are there singles groups in your area, groups that have activities and short trips and lunches together?


I have heard of janet but the others I never heard of. I will write them down and at least look them up. Some books I like and some I do not. Like those james Patterson I don't like them. I also do not likes series but I did read hunger games which was really good.

I reads a book now called 'memory keeper's daughter' and 'tree grows in brookllyn.'

No I am not just bored. Every single days I think about death and dying. I am just tired of living there's nothing here for me at all, if there was I would've found it by now. I wish I had enough money to buy a gun and end it all. I tell my therapist that and I will not do it again because she want send me to the hospital. Sigh. So there's no one to tell. I go to a group before a women's group and I do not fit in. I just don't belong here.

If you like Hunger Games, you probably would like many of the YA (Young Adult) books like Life of Pi or Holes. I bet you would like the adult (not YA) fiction Outlander (time travel to the past) too by Diana Gabaldon. It's the first book in the series, but it's the best one. Did you ever read Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel? It's long and thick, but worth it!

The next time you are at the library, ask a librarian to show you where the YA books are and give you suggestions.

i reads a book now called 'memory keeper's daughter' and 'tree grows in brookllyn.'


I have read "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" every Summer since I was 17 - honestly. I LOVE that book.

I like her other books but not nearly as much.

If you like Hunger Games, you probably would like many of the YA (Young Adult) books like Life of Pi or Holes. I bet you would like the adult (not YA) fiction Outlander (time travel to the past) too by Diana Gabaldon. It's the first book in the series, but it's the best one. Did you ever read Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel? It's long and thick, but worth it!

The next time you are at the library, ask a librarian to show you where the YA books are and give you suggestions.



Honestly I try to avoid all you books and always have since I was a teen because they seems to immature for me. The hunger games I finally gave in and read it and liked it. Otherwise I only reads adult fiction book. You know a lot of book and most of them I have never heard of. Lol. I go to my therapy the other day and she say she do not know how to help me anymore. Sigh. I do not know what to say to her anymore either. Just dead ends.

I have read "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" every Summer since I was 17 - honestly. I LOVE that book.

I like her other books but not nearly as much.


I can only read a book once and don't know how people re-read books like that. A lot of people like this book but say its very sad. I just started it this week.

honestly i try to avoid all ya books and always have since i was a teen b/c they seems to immature for me. the hunger games i finally gave in and read it and liked it. otherwise i only reads adult fiction book. you know a lot of book and most of them i have never heard of. lol. i go to my therapy the other day and she say she do not know how to help me anymore. sigh. i do not know what to say to her anymore either. just dead ends.
I have ideas for her to help you. :)

I worked in libraries for 30 years, so yes, I know lots of book titles.

What have been some of your favorite books over the years? Do you like mysteries? Not thrillers, it sounds like, or if they aren't bloody and violent?

i can only read a book once and dont kno how people re-read books like that. a lot of people like this book but say its very sad. i just started it this week.


What is sad about A Tree Grows in Brooklyn? The widow, the children, they are all survivors, remained family through tough times.

What strikes you as sad about that?

I see the word 'normal' being used a lot but I don't know what you mean by that.

Can you explain to me what you mean when you say you see people with 'normal lives'?

I see the word 'normal' being used alot but i dont know what you mean by that.
"Normal" to her (she explained in this thread or another) means having a spouse and children, being able to drive, having a significant other, having a job, etc.

"Normal" to her (she explained in this thread or another) means having a spouse and children, being able to drive, having a significant other, having a job, etc.



Yea albear this, also add home ownership or apartment. That is what a normal life is supposed to be and most people have it unless something wrong with them.

What is sad about A Tree Grows in Brooklyn? The widow, the children, they are all survivors, remained family through tough times.

What strikes you as sad about that?

OMG. I didn't read the book YET Sigh. I am on like page 5. That is what others people say. The book is sad. I think you told me that on purpose.

OMG. I didn't read the book YET Sigh. I am on like page 5. That is what others people say. the book is sad. I think you told me that on purpose.


I told you what on purpose?

It's difficult to post accidentally.

I can't help but think you and I have a previous history. You appear to be very sensitive to what I say - or don't say. I see nothing in this thread that would cause that reaction from you.

The Bell Jar spoiler:

I read a book in a book club at the library 2 or 3 years ago. I really liked the bell jar and it's one of my favorites because I can relate to that depress girl in it. Anyway I start going to the book club and we read that for the first time. Anyway we discussed the ending and I said: I wish at the end the girl would have kill herself. It was stupid how she went to some clinic and got better like presto chango' everyone just look at me sigh. :( I never went back to the that book club even though I see their advertisements for good books, I just reads them on my own now. I do not fit in anywhere.

I told you what on purpose?

It's difficult to post accidentally.

I can't help but think you and I have a previous history. You appear to be very sensitive to what I say - or don't say. I see nothing in this thread that would cause that reaction from you.


The ending of the book, tree grows in Brooklyn. . maybe that will not ruin it. I don't know seem like it will.

yea albear this, also add home ownership or apartment. that is what a normal life is supposed to be and most people have it unless something wrong with them.
You live on the street? Not in a house? You have a computer and Internet access? You have on clothes and shoes? You slept in a bed last night? You are able to care for yourself and keep yourself clean? You are able to leave the house and go places?

I love your definition of what normal life is like. I had a client who was divorced, lived in an apartment, and had a small daughter. This client firmly believed that every housewife/mother in her neighborhood wore a dress and high heels all day and lived in a luxurious house and was married to a wonderful man and had perfectly behaved children and cooked delicious meals for dinner.

If she only knew...

The Bell Jar spoiler:

i read a book in a book club at the library 2 or 3 years ago. i really liked the bell jar and it's one of my favorites because i can relate to that depress girl in it. anyways I start going to the book club and we read that for the first time. Anyways we discussed the ending and i said: i wish at the end the girl would have kill herself. it was stupid how she went to some clinic and got better like presto chango' everyone just look at me sigh. :( I never went back to the that book club even though i see their advertisements for good books, i just reads them on my own now. i do not fit in anywhere.


I'm sure you know that The Bell Jar is believed to be autobiographical and Sylvia Plath DID commit suicide.

You got the ending you hoped for - it just took a while.

I know she commit suicide, just talking about the character and the way it played out in the book.

You live on the street? not in a house? You have a computer and Internet access? You have on clothes and shoes? You slept in a bed last night? You are able to care for yourself and keep yourself clean? You are able to leave the house and go places?

I love your definition of what normal life is like. I had a client who was divorced, lived in an apartment, and had a small daughter. This client firmly believed that every housewife/mother in her neighborhood wore a dress and high heels all day and lived in a luxurious house and was married to a wonderful man and had perfectly behaved children and cooked delicious meals for dinner.

If she only knew....

It's a long story but this is not my house and I can't stay in it. So no I basically don't own a home or have one. I don't even care anymore about it.

Now that is overboard, that woman I mean. Life is not like on TV and if she believe that, God help her. But come on. I'm tired of people in denial that there's no such thing as a normal life when its all around us. Even that divorced lady had a NORMAL life. Supposedly 1 percent of the population is like me, so obviously I feels like I don't belong here and I mostly don't. No reason to believe otherwise based on my own life. I HATE it and will be glad when it's over.

I don't feels bad for suicide people like slyvia plath, IMO she isn't missing much and neither is her son who also died.

it was stupid how she went to some clinic and got better like presto chango' everyone just look at me sigh.
Why was that stupid?

Why did everyone look at you?

Why the sigh?

it's a long story but this is not my house and I can't stay in it. So no I basically don't own a home or have one. I don't even care anymore about it.
So where will you live when this house is gone?

even that divorced lady had a NORMAL life.
She had virtually no money, she was living on public aid, the government was on her case to get a job, she had no boyfriend or husband to love her, her two-year-old daughter was a willful brat whom she couldn't control so would just ignore, and she was fat and had a huge nose. Yes, real normal. I could tell you stories of normal people like that all day and night.

supposedly 1 percent of the population is like me, so obviously i feels like i don't belong here and i mostly don't. no reason to beleive otherwise based on my own life. i HATE it and will be glad when it's over.

i don't feels bad for suicide people like slyvia plath, IMO she isn't missing much and neither is her son who also died.


Nobody said they felt "bad" for Sylvia Plath.

1% is like you in what aspect? Homeless? Jobless? Suicidal? Something else?

Its never OK to kill yourself OK now get a job wash kars work at wendys

Nobody said they felt "bad" for Sylvia Plath.

1% is like you in what aspect? Homeless? Jobless? Suicidal? Something else?

I didn't say anyone felt bad. I said I don't.

1 percent of the people have aspergers. They says 3 percent of population is gay and 1 or 3 percent population is asexual. I reads about it online and I am probably a freak asexual because I don't belong no where else. If not I am something they haven't discovered yet either way there's no place for me here that's for sure.

its never ok to kill yourself ok now get a job wash kars work at wendys

I am over it and don't care anymore

When some people have minds that are messed up it's not right to think they should keep having to suffer on like that just so other people don't feel inconvenienced. Its not forme to be here and I am tired of trying for other people so no point anymore.

when some people have minds that are messed up it's not right to think they should keep having to suffer on like that just so other people don't feel inconvenienced. its not forme to be here and i am tired of trying for other people so no point anymore.


So stop posting and you won't have to listen to anyone here.

You said "i don't feels bad for suicide people like slyvia plat ..." I said apparently no one else does either.

So stop posting and you won't have to listen to anyone here.

You said "i don't feels bad for suicide people like slyvia plat ..." I said apparently no one else does either.



Okay fine if nobody else does. You can stop posting in this thread anytime you want as well instead of keep coming back again and again.

when some people have minds that are messed up it's not right to think they should keep having to suffer on like that just so other people don't feel inconvenienced. its not forme to be here and i am tired of trying for other people so no point anymore.
Aspies are smarter than the general population, have better retention of facts and information, have specialized knowledge about things, have clear-cut ideas of what is right or wrong and will speak the truth about situations, have better focus than most people, are independent thinkers, look at problems from the inside out and at a 3-D level, are very logical and rational, are known for being direct (speaking their mind and being honest and determined), have a strong sense of social justice, and are loyal friends.

Why was that stupid?

Why did everyone look at you?

Why the sigh?


It was stupid because in the book they make it like this girl was soooo depressed and 'omg' etc. but then in the ends she go to some dumb clinic andget fixed. Like oh that's all it took. She wasn't that depressed in the first place IMO. What a crock.

My theraist said everyone look because that was an inappropriate response to the girl in the book's problem.

she go to some dumb clinic andget fixed.
Why is that not a good ending?

Clinics are dumb? You mean I wasted $20,000 and three years in studying to be a counselor?

my theraist said everyone look because that was an inappropriate response to the girl in the book's problem.
My husband makes inappropriate responses all the times. He made one just two hours ago. My writers' group friend does it all the time. That's what Aspies do.

Aspies are smarter than the general population, have better retention of facts and information, have specialized knowledge about things, have clear-cut ideas of what is right or wrong and will speak the truth about situations, have better focus than most people, are independent thinkers, look at problems from the inside out and at a 3-D level, are very logical and rational, are known for being direct (speaking their mind and being honest and determined), have a strong sense of social justice, and are loyal friends.

Well maybe that's your husband and son traits then. Because if I had those quality it would have been showed by now not 32 years into life. I don't have nothing to offer again if I did it would have come to pass by now. Basically by continuing here I am wasting everyone's time space and resources. Could be put to people that have something worthwile to offer the rest of the world.

Why is that not a good ending?

Clinics are dumb? You mean I wasted $20,000 and three years in studying to be a counselor?

My husband makes inappropriate responses all the times. He made one just two hours ago. My writers' group friend does it all the time. That's what Aspies do.

No you didn't wastes your money. There is some people out there that are help by counselors and everything. Those are the people you should be focus on not the ones with zero hope. Just face it there's people like me that have no hope and no will for survival anymore.

If your husband and his friend is okay with making comments that other people find weird or inappropriate I guess it'snot a problem then. But someone like myself just wanted to be normal and like everyone else not a freak.

no you didn't wastes your money. There is some people out there that are help by counselors and everything. Those are the people you should be focus on not the ones with zero hope. Just face it there's people like me that have no hope and no will for survival anymore.
But that's what counselors like best -- to work with clients who think they have zero hope. That's what many of my classes were about. It's wonderful to finally see a light bulb go on over someone's head when that person realizes there IS hope after all.

if your husband and his friend is okay with making comments that other people find weird or inappropriate I guess it'snot a problem then. But someone like myself just wanted to be normal and like everyone else not a freak.
Aspies are okay with it. I'm not. So I have strategies to deal with it.

Why don't you step up to the plate and be proud of being an Aspie and stop wishing you are "normal" (whatever that is). My life improved when I finally stopped wishing I was a boy and finally enjoyed being a girl.

But that's what counselors like best -- to work with clients who think they have zero hope. That's what many of my classes were about. It's wonderful to finally see a light bulb go on over someone's head when that person realizes there IS hope after all.

Aspies are okay with it. I'm not. So I have strategies to deal with it.

Why don't you step up to the plate and be proud of being an Aspie and stop wishing you are "normal" (whatever that is). My life improved when I finally stopped wishing I was a boy and finally enjoyed being a girl.


What? Why were you trying to be a boy? There is a class of people like that stuck in the wrong body, they call it. How can you treats people if you have identity/gender crisis yourself? I am not judging. Just asking

My therapist is at wits end with me I can just feel it. Therapist want to treat patients that have no hope but really there is hope for them. Not ones who are hopeless all the way around like me

Aspies are not okay with it. I'm not okay with it at all today something embarrassing happened. I went to see my worker and the lady at the desk was turned away on a phone. Another lady was in the office going through papers and she said 'just wait a minute she will be right with you.' I said who *worker's name?* how do you know I was here for her? And the lady walked out the office. There was 2 men cleaning and they bust out laughing. Sigh. I realize later she was talking about the desk lady.

Anyway that's the type of stuff that keep me wanting to be just be normal and never accept aspergers because it result in too many fau pauxs

I posts a new qustion and if you really are counselor maybe you can go answer that one too.

I's never okay! I feel very sorry for you, but you'll just have to live through it. Never give up on yourself. If you commit suicide, you'll never see what tomorrow brings you! There is always a light at the end of a tunnel.

what? Why were you trying to be a boy? There is a class of people like that stuck in the wrong body, they call it. How can you treats people if you have identity/gender crisis yourself? I am not judging. Just asking
I don't have that. I was a tomboy when I was young. I knew men were in charge (back 60 years ago) and women just stayed home. I didn't want to be stuck at home; I wanted to be in charge. Then the civil rights movement came along and women's lib, so I found my place as a woman.

my therapist is at wits end with me I can just feel it. Therapist want to treat patients that have no hope but really there is hope for them. Not ones who are hopeless all the way around like me
Have you ever had a happy, positive thought in your entire life?

aspies are not okay with it.
If anyone is okay with it, it is Aspies--who are the most smug, contented, sure-of-themselves group around.

anyway that's the type of stuff that keep me wanting to be just be normal
That could happen to anyone.

I posts a new qustion and if you really are counselor maybe you can go answer that one too.
I'm on it like a warm, cuddly blanket!

I'm on it like a warm, cuddly blanket!


Like a warm, cuddly PATIENT blanket!

Like a warm, cuddly PATIENT blanket!
Yes, I am always patient.