Hello:

Right wing zealot and perpetual dufus, Michelle Bachmann makes horrendous false accusations (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/huma-abedin-michele-bachmann_n_1686557.html)against an honorable American. The attacks on Huma Abedin have been condemned by John Boehner, Marco Rubio, and John McCain.

Now, she runs away from the cameras (http://tribuneofthepeople.com/2012/07/20/crazy-michelle-bachmann-runs-away-from-reporter/)just like Sharron Angel did when she went overboard. The problem with Bachmann is she's a member of the Intelligence Committee..

She needs to LOSE her post and be censured by the entire House. She's despicable.

excon

Why should we be concerned what an airhead nonentity is doing

The letter by the Reps to the State dept does reference Huma Weiner 's family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood ;which is an indisputable fact. If that is relevant to her being granted security clearance is unclear. Should family ties be a factor in determining security clearance ? Absolutely ,and have always been so in the past. Classified information is not a right, and reasonable concern about “divided loyalties” is sufficient for a clearance to be denied... Or at least it was until we got PC.

But that was just referenced in mention in the letter . The bigger point was that the State Dept has recently made decisions and actions that seem to favor the Brotherhood;an organization still listed BY THE STATE DEPT.as a 'terrorist organization '.This is the same organization that documents produced as evidence in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation prosecution,showed was in a “grand jihad” to destroy the United States.

It is a proper role of a House Intelligence oversight committee to investigate such an apparent contradiction and shift in US policy related to the organization . It is indisputable that the State Dept policies have become Brotherhood friendly in Evita's reign.

Now for Senator McCain... he also is a bundle of contradictions.
When he was asked during the 'Arab Spring ' if he was concerned about a Brotherhood takeover of Egypt ,he replied : “It concerns me so much that I am unalterably opposed to it. I think it would be a mistake of historic proportions.”
He was “deeply, deeply concerned that this whole movement [toward democracy] could be hijacked by radical Islamic extremists.”
So back then he called the Brotherhood radical Islamic extremists;but today he dismisses the fact that the daughter of founding members of the organization is a high ranking member of the State Dept ? Huh ? He thought they had no place in a new Egyptian government :"I think they are a radical group that, first of all, supports sharia law; that in itself is anti-democratic — at least as far as women are concerned. They have been involved with other terrorist organizations and I believe that they should be specifically excluded from any transition government." But he shows no concern about the possibility of the daughter of one of the founders having a role in the US government .

I guess the real question is who does McCain hate more ;Muslim Brothers or Conservative Tea Partiers ?

The letter by the Reps to the State dept does reference Huma Weiner 's family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood ;which is an indisputable fact.Hello again, tom:

Indisputable?? Dude! Her long dead father had a friend, who had a friend, who had a son, who MIGHT have been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood...

Please... She's WORSE than Joe McCarthy and YOU support her.. You should be ashamed.

excon

For one thing ;I think history has proven McCarthy right. But as for Huma Weiner ;she has more direct family ties to the Brotherhood than her father .

Very extreme right wing there Tom McCarthy was right, right to persecute his political enemies, so much for freedom and liberty you hold so dear, it is freedom for some and not for others. When will you realise you have no say in what happens in Egypt, just as you have no say in what happens in Syria, an older civilisation is dealing with its problems in the traditional way

Hello again, tom:

As a good liberal, I TRY to empathize with people... I try to put myself in THEIR shoes to see the world through THEIR eyes... When I look through YOUR eyes, I see a government infiltrated by communists, and radical Muslim terrorists - TRUE enemy's of the US..

I took an oath the defend this country against all enemy's foreign and domestic... If I believed what YOU believe, I could NOT, in good conscience, mind my own business building my company and feeding my family.. Nope. I would have been REQUIRED to take ACTION to defeat them... That's what my oath said, and that's what it MEANS.

You didn't DO any of that.. You SAW that the enemy was WINNING, and then you went to lunch... I don't know what that says about your patriotism, but I know what it says about MINE..

excon

Don't know what the hell you are talking about .

Lets cut to the real issue here and that is believing anything Michelle Bachmann says as loony until the facts of the matter comes out. Her record of saying crazy untrue stuff speaks for itself, and is indefensible.

Its as loony as saying McCarthy was right... make that CORRECT!

Clete McCarthy didn't "persecute " anyone. He tried to tell the truth .A truth that has been more than verified by the Venona Intercepts if you care to researrch the truth . Almost every
Case he made has now been proven correct.

believing anything Michelle Bachmann says as loony until the facts of the matter comes out.
Yeah that's the problem . You are attacking the messenger . But you won't take the time to check out the claims in the letter to the State Dept.

Do you have a link to them? Please share these undisputable facts. Here let me help!

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/163300096.html?refer=y

http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120721michele_bachmann_alleges_fellow_congressma n_has_muslim_brotherhood_ties


Boehner's remarks are part of a growing wave of negative reaction from within Bachmann's own party, beginning with Arizona Sen. John McCain, who took to the Senate floor Wednesday to defend Abedin.

Bachmann sits on the House Intelligence Committee, a post she has cited in an attempt to give heft to her allegations. But that committee's chairman - former FBI agent Mike Rogers, R-Mich. - told USA Today that Bachmann's remarks about the Muslim Brotherhood's infiltration efforts are false. "That kind of assertion certainly doesn't comport with the Intelligence Committee, and I can say that on the record," Rogers said.

Can you righties make up your minds! Should I believe loony woman, or the rest of the GOP? I mean are they in on this with Hillary or not? OR!! Could there be an election coming up? Or a book deal?? TV SHOW??

A replacement for RUSH?? Glen Beck cohost??

Did you read the letter to the State Dept or not... No I'm sure you didn't .

The letter lists five policy decisions by the State Department that are favorable to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hillary Clinton's personal intervention to permit a Brotherhood leader, Tariq Ramadan, to enter the U.S

Various meetings and interactions by the State Department with the Brotherhood and/or its affiliates

Clintoon's waiver of restrictions on aid to Egypt;

Clintoon's waiver of restrictions on aid to the Palestinian authority.

Clintoon's decision to give Hani Nour Eldin, a member of Gamaa Islamiya ,a terrorist group , a visa to not only enter the country in violation of the federal laws... but to be granted a meeting inside the White House with National Security Council officials.He used the opportunity to call on the US to release the Blind Sheik ;the mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing attack.

The letter says they need to INVESTIGATE the POSSIBLE link to to which Brotherhood tied individuals have helped achieve the adoption of these State Department actions and policies. It accused Huma Weiner of nothing . If she was properly vetted given her family ties ,then there is no issue . That is why a letter also went to the Inspector General .

These types of inquiries are requested all the time by both parties. It is the proper role of a Congressional Oversight committee to raise these issues. On a national scale it is much more important than investigating steroids in baseball or which country made our Olympic athelete's uniforms .

If it was anyone else but Bachmann ;a Tea Party leader ,this would not have even made the news.(The TP angle also explains why establishment Repubics are quick to join the condemn Bachmann chorus) .

There is a serious disconnect here

Yes I read her letter, and as usual she spouts crap with no facts or foundation, and going on nut wing shows like Glen Beck spreading her misinformation doesn't help her cause or concerns. I mean she even said that Rep Keith Ellison has ties to terrorist and extremists because he is a Muslim.

The religious Christian right is no more sane than the fundamentalist Muslim, or its Jewish counter parts. The conflict between them predates the crusades and is waged even today in some form or fashion.

Now you can mimic her fears and buy her hatred but they all were spawned from the same tree, rooted in the same old testament of the bible. Many of the followers, most have evolved beyond the tribalistic thinking but fundamentalists have not, and the Ramadan controversy is settled law, but what would you expect from someone that takes government money to cure gay people?

Yes I read her letter, and as usual she spouts crap with no facts or foundation
Hillary Clinton's personal intervention to permit a Brotherhood leader, Tariq Ramadan, to enter the U.S FACT
Various meetings and interactions by the State Department with the Brotherhood and/or its affiliates FACT

Clintoon's waiver of restrictions on aid to Egypt; FACT

Clintoon's waiver of restrictions on aid to the Palestinian authority. FACT

Clintoon's decision to give Hani Nour Eldin, a member of Gamaa Islamiya ,a terrorist group , a visa to not only enter the country in violation of the federal laws... but to be granted a meeting inside the White House with National Security Council officials. FACT .

The rest of your response is more of the same attacking the messenger .

Well I can see that engagement of opposing views is not what you and Michelle agree with, seeing as how that's the basis for diplomacy.

I did check your facts, and while true, hardly rises to nefarious levels as Michelle or YOU claim. Yes I am old enough to remember when the same arguments where made about the Russians, and Chinese.

Reagan and Nixon weren't afraid to engage, so why are you??

So we finally agree my facts and her facts are correct. Good . Now the question is what prompted the change in policy ? That is what Bachmann is asking answers for . The Brotherhood is still a State Dept designated terrorist organization .As far as I can tell;that classification has not been removed .

That doesn't mean they cannot be engaged does it??

That is what Bachmann is asking answers forHello again, tom:

If Nixon's visit to China was the result of commies infesting our government, then maybe we should listen to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hmmm... McCarthyism happened during Eisenhower's time, didn't it? I wonder if the commie spy's suggested we build an interstate... Wow.. They really had control of things.

excon

Actually most of McCarthy's time was during the Truman Adm. The final hearings occurred in Ike's 1st term. But the 1st time McCarthy mentioned a list of known communists in the State Dept was 1950 . Do you know the Kennedy family was staunch anti-communists too ;and the Robert F Kennedy served some time as Joe McCarthy's council for the investigative committee ,until he and Roy Cohn had a disagreement ?
Nixon's visit to China was cold realpolitik calculation. He tried to peel China away from the Soviet Union to pave the way for an 'honorable peace'... or was that 'peace with honor' in Vietnam.

Michelle Bachmann is on the intelligence committee? That is both scary and an oxymoron. She is too ignorant for words. If you want a good laugh, look up some of her husband's anti-gay rants on YouTube. It's kind of hilarious when he says offensive things about gays while sounding and acting like Richard Simmons.

She should not be on the Intelligence Committee because of something her husband said that you don't agree with ? How is what her husband said proof of her intelligence ?

How is what her husband said proof of her intelligence ?Hello again, tom:

She's virulently anti gay and she's married to a gay man. How intelligent is that?

It's not WHAT he said.. It's HOW he said it... He SWISHES. To anybody who pays attention, he's a raging homosexual. To have him be in the anti homosexual business is very funny.

The joke is LOST on the right wing, of course.

excon

He's fathered 5 children with her . How gay can he be ?

He's fathered 5 children with her . How gay can he be ?Hello again, tom:

Pretty gay... That's the problem with you wingers.. You have NO clue about homosexuality...

excon

As far as their intelligence... she has a Masters of Law( LL.M.)from William & Mary School of Law .Her husband has master's degree from Regent University and a Ph.D. from Union Graduate School in clinical therapy .Together they have provided foster care for 23 children besides raising their 5 children.

Hello again, tom:

Pretty gay... That's the problem with you wingers.. You have NO clue about homosexuality...

excon

Oh I get it... you think it is an Ed Koch-like front to cover up his true gayness.

Hello again, tom:

They're a wonderful family... He's STILL gay, and she's STILL stupid... I don't care what degrees she has... She doesn't understand stuff. She's not only stupid... She's REAL stupid...

Here's just ONE example... She's in a LEADERSHIP role in the country.. She has NO idea that people will BELIEVE her simply because of the position she holds... NOT knowing that, she willingly spread a FALSE rumor about the vaccine for the human papaloma virus. She even SAID that some women she DOESN'T know, told her that after receiving the vaccine, her kids went retarded... Then she announced it to the WORLD on national TV as though it were a FACT.

Now, this is DIFFERENT than two neighbors discussing this over the back fence. This is a LEADER who people FOLLOW...

So, I wonder just HOW many young girls will get the cancer and DIE, who COULD have been cured if NOT for Michelle Bachmann's STUPIDITY!

excon

Oh I get it ...you think it is an Ed Koch-like front to cover up his true gayness.Hello again, tom:

I don't know about the former mayor's sexual proclivities, but I DO know that closeted gay people marry to cover up their "true gayness"... Apparently, you don't know this. Hmph.. This is simply MORE evidence that the right wing is CLUELESS in these matters.

excon

So, I wonder just HOW many young girls will get the cancer and DIE, who COULD have been cured if NOT for Michelle Bachmann's STUPIDITY!

Don't get hysterical about it . HPV infects as many as 80 percent of all adult women, and yet cervical cancer is relatively rare; it kills about 3,600 women a year in the U.S.(and Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines do not prevent all forms of cervical cancer) .

Yes her facts may have been wrong about the side effects... but she wasn't wrong about making it a public policy priority needing government intervention... or the possibility of crony socialism between Perry and Merck.

I don't know about the former mayor's sexual proclivities, And you haven't a clue about Marcus Bachmann's either... is this your own brand of "McCarthyism" ?

And you haven't a clue about Marcus Bachmann's either ....Hello again, tom:

You know the joke about the guy who comes out of the john with toilet paper streaming from his shoe.. Everybody get's it EXCEPT the guy...

Here we have ONE group who gets the joke - that's the liberals, and one group who doesn't - that's YOU. Look. I'm NOT going to try to convince you... It'll NEVER happen... After all, you believe that swishy Ted Haggard got himself CURED of the gay. Now he can start another church, and make a little bread...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Hmmm what do they call it when you prejudge someone solely on their physical appearance or mannerisms ?

Hmmm what do they call it when you prejudge someone soley on their physical appearance or mannerisms ?I don't know. What do you call someone who prejudges people solely based on their political affiliation?

Wow, there's something wrong with this woman.

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what do they call it when you prejudge someone soley on their physical appearance or mannerisms ?Hello again, tom:

In terms of homosexuality, they call it ACCURATE.

excon

How many raving queers do you know EX?

How many raving queers do you know EX?Hello again, clete:

How many do I need to know?

excon

I don't think there is a quota, but you were telling us they are somewhat obvious, and I was wondering how many had made themselves obvious to you.

Hello again, clete:

If you're trying to offend me by suggesting that gay men are attracted to me, you failed... Gay men ARE attracted to me and I like it just fine. I'm comfortable with my sexuality.

Men who take offense at being approached by gay men, generally question their own sexuality. Would that be YOU?

excon

Now ex it is obvious I struck a cord there, showing a little sensivity Ex? Personally I don't care whether you are attracted to Gays or they find you attractive, they are somewhat thin on the ground here for which I am thankfull as I wouldn't wish to have to fend off those approaches as you apparently do, and yes, I don't wish to find myself in their company. No questions about my sexuality.

You find that despite their platitudes ,the left has their own problems with tolerance.

Tolerance is what happens when the focus is out of sight, They exist, they might be 5% of the population and 90% of the nuiance. Minoraties are always colourful, and these no less than others. By the way Tom by the standards of my country I am a conservative. You might find that difficult to understand as it seems I oppose many of your views but you have not been exposed to the extreme left. We have had both the extreme left and the extreme right here and neither are pretty.

We have had that here too, Clete, and it's the same thing, the extremes right or left are loonies.

They have a lot of votes though!

No Tal we don't have them in quantity although One Nation(perhaps equivalent of your tea party) did attract quite a few adherents for a while, we have to contend with the ascendency of the Greens now, I haven't decided whether they are left of communists yet or not. What we expect is to see much of the support for the left whipped out and yet we will still be a long way left of your conservatives

Conservatives need the Tea Party vote, or they have squat, Nada, Nothing. They drag the republican further right than they want to be, and have true power, through numbers and organization. The more diverse a nation we come, the further right they force the moderate republicans, so in essence the dog wags the tail, and when they say NO, they mean NO!!

But I think they have reached their pinnacle, and the fear they instill will run its course. For a while any way, because the religious right can never die. Just be outnumbered by the more reasonable moderate right conservatives and independents.

Never know though, its possible they can put Romney in the white house. Then those righties will get screwed with the rest of us.

It's true that the Republicans have gotten too right wing, it began during the Reagan years but has now gotten ridiculous. I'm a moderate conservative, but if I were American I actually think that I would feel more at home with the Democrats, I never thought I would say that, although the Hollywood/Michael Moore element turn me off just as much as the religious right/tea party types so I'm not sure who I would feel more comfortable with. I hope that more moderates in both parties get elected in congress or else nothing productive will get done on the economy, gun control, deficit and other important issues.

It's true that the Republicans have gotten too right wing, it began during the Reagan years but has now gotten ridiculous. I'm a moderate conservative, but if I were American I actually think that I would feel more at home with the Democrats, I never thought I would say that, although the Hollywood/Michael Moore element turn me off just as much as the religious right/tea party types so I'm not sure who I would feel more comfortable with. I hope that more moderates in both parties get elected in congress or else nothing productive will get done on the economy, gun control, deficit and other important issues.

Totally agree.