I got a new dog last night. She is an 8 month old pomeranian. She came from a home that was a small duplex with 2 other dogs, 2 cats and 3 people. The people I got her from said before that they rescued her from some people that were not taking good care of her. She looked a mess and starved. She was a little scared on the way home. She took to me but I have a 3 year old 5lb chihuahua fighting for my attention. He did not bite and won't Now she is scared and that is to be expected at first in a new place. I let her out back last night to go potty and check out the back yard but I can't get her back in. She would not even come in when it was raining. She is still out there and I am worried she might get sick. I don't want to force her because it will just upset her more. Any good Advice?

Let me start by saying I think you had good intentions but...

So she's outside in the rain, has been without food, water, shelter all night and you don't know what to do?

How did you introduce her to the other dog? Did you keep them separated or did you allow your other dog to bully and frighten her?

What does "he did not bite and won't" mean? Did your other dog start a fight, a dispute, become aggressive?

SO - lock the previous dog in one place, put the new dog in another. Allowing her outside (again, no shelter, food or water) is neglectful. And no, being scared is NOT to be expected in a new place. I've taken in dogs my whole life and been very careful how they are introduced to each other. I just brought an 18 pound, 3 monh old puppy into my home. I have a 138 pound (at the moment) German Shepherd - and I did my "homework" so I knew no one would be frightened or injured or would have to "fight for my attention."

Was this an organized rescue or simply someone who took her from someone else? Didn't they do a home study?

I don't know what "fighting for my attention" means but I get the feeling something unpleasant happened.

Now - get her inside and separate them. It will take time to get them to co-exist. Did you read anything like this before you got another dog - Leerburg | Introducing a New Dog into a Home with Other Dogs (http://leerburg.com/introducingdogs.htm?set=1)

Are you an adult or a child?

OMG don't start making up scenarios when you have no clue yet. First she does have food and water out there I gave it to her. Second my dog did not bully her. As soon as I noticed him starting to chase her I got him away and put him in my room. Nothing unpleasant happened. I was just trying to say that the chihuahua is not mean and won't bite. Good grief!

And we introduced them at the other woman's house. They were fine with each other. When I got them home and let them off there leashes then the chihuahua wanted to play and chased her. Yes he wants my attention so he cuddles up on my so she can't. When she was on my lap and he was also. He acted like he was mad and would not look at me.

Assumtions----Assumptions---Assumptions!

I know! That is not helpful! I am a very good pet owner. I get my pets spayed and nuetered. Keep all shots up to date. Give them revolution and a pill for intestinal parasites because revolution only covers heartworms, fleas and tics. I'm just not a pet phsycologist and need a little help on calming a scared pup.

And we introduced them at the other womans house. They were fine with each other. When I got them home and let them off there leashes then the chihuahua wanted to play and chased her. Yes he wants my attention so he cuddles up on my so she can't. When she was on my lap and he was also. He acted like he was mad and would not look at me.


Did you read the info I posted about introducing a new dog to an old dog?

You thought he was mad. I can't imagine what the new dog thought.

And I apologize if the dog was outside in the rain and had shelter, food and water.

And we introduced them at the other womans house. They were fine with each other. When I got them home and let them off there leashes then the chihuahua wanted to play and chased her. Yes he wants my attention so he cuddles up on my so she can't. When she was on my lap and he was also. He acted like he was mad and would not look at me. Try this----- Bring chihuahua outside on leash---Allow the two dogs to get acquainted. This may incourage the new dog to come back inside since chihuahua is outside and not inside. Best wishes with your new addition to your home---The 2 dog's will come around and become best of friends. Best of luck---fFrank

Try this----- Bring chihuahua outside on lease---Allow the two dogs to get aquainted. This may incourage the new dog to come back inside since chihuahua is outside and not inside.Best wishes with your new addition to your home---The 2 dog's will come around and be best of friends in a short time frame. best of luck---fFrank

Thank you very much!

Leave your door open and let the dog come in at will.

Sometimes rescue dogs that have been bounced from house to house are completely confused and their worlds are turned upside down. Sometimes the best course of action is to do nothing. Open your door, bring the food inside and ignore her. Dogs naturally want to be around other dogs and people. She may not come right up to you, but she will be close enough. Once she is in the house. Walk around and do what you normally do... IGNORE HER. If you can make it to the door, then close it.. if she runs out right away, just ignore her and leave the door open and continue to do what you do. Let the other dog lose.. if your dog goes in and out and no harm is done to it, than the new dog will follow.

Once you have caught her.. I would suggest to tie a very long rope to her so you can grab her at will. I know you don't want things to be traumatic, but if it comes down to the safety of the dog, she's just going to have to deal with you dragging her butt inside. But unless the situation calls for that... put the rope on her for security and just toss her extra nummy treats. Toss them out where she feels safe.. and if she starts eating them, start tossing them closer and closer. Eventually she'll take them from your hand.

I hate to say it, but there is a reason this dog was given up and ignored. Dogs that go with the flow rarely find themselves in these types of situations. You have a lot of work ahead of you. Is it impossible? no.. Are you going to be trying different methods? Very much so.. Is it going to take a while? Yes it will. Trust is one of the hardest things to accomplish with an abused or neglected pet.

And.. he is not mad at you or your other dog. Him not giving eye contact is his way of avoiding you.. If he can't see you, you can't be there...

So... like I mentioned... just ignore him. Open the door to your house, let your other dog go in and out at free will and carry on your day like you always do. The dog will come around.. they're too curious and pack oriented not to. Its just going to take a lot of time, patience and hard love.

Did you read the info I posted about introducing a new dog to an old dog?

You thought he was mad. I can't imagine what the new dog thought.

And I apologize if the dog was outside in the rain and had shelter, food and water.

Of course I did not read it. I just got on here because I needed some help. Just because you may have some experience with dogs and know things does not give you the right to be rude to everyone. If you are not going to be helpful then don't write anything. Also, if I could get her inside I would not have posted this. My problem is getting her inside. I know I have to separate them and I have.

Leave your door open and let the dog come in at will.

Sometimes rescue dogs that have been bounced from house to house are completely confused and their worlds are turned upside down. Sometimes the best course of action is to do nothing. Open your door, bring the food inside and ignore her. Dogs naturally want to be around other dogs and people. She may not come right up to you, but she will be close enough. Once she is in the house. Walk around and do what you normally do... IGNORE HER. If you can make it to the door, then close it.. if she runs out right away, just ignore her and leave the door open and continue to do what you do. Let the other dog lose.. if your dog goes in and out and no harm is done to it, than the new dog will follow.

Once you have caught her.. I would suggest to tie a very long rope to her so you can grab her at will. I know you dont want things to be traumatic, but if it comes down to the safety of the dog, she's just going to have to deal with you dragging her butt inside. But unless the situation calls for that... put the rope on her for security and just toss her extra nummy treats. Toss them out where she feels safe.. and if she starts eating them, start tossing them closer and closer. Eventually she'll take them from your hand.

I hate to say it, but there is a reason this dog was given up and ignored. Dogs that go with the flow rarely find themselves in these types of situations. You have a lot of work ahead of you. Is it impossible? no.. Are you going to be trying different methods? Very much so.. Is it going to take a while? Yes it will. Trust is one of the hardest things to accomplish with an abused or neglected pet.

And.. he is not mad at you or your other dog. Him not giving eye contact is his way of avoiding you.. If he can't see you, you can't be there...

So... like I mentioned... just ignore him. Open the door to your house, let your other dog go in and out at free will and carry on your day like you always do. The dog will come around.. they're too curious and pack oriented not to. Its just going to take a lot of time, patience and hard love.

Great thank you so much. This is what I was doing except I put the food and water outside closer so she knew it was there and could get it. It gets very hot her in Florida and I was so worried about her. I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing.

Leave your door open and let the dog come in at will..


What did you think about the site I posted? Valuable, not so much? I don't want to keep posting it on other threads if it isn't correct.

(Good post, by the way - very thorough.)

Great thank you so much. This is what I was doing except I put the food and water outside closer so she knew it was there and could get it. It gets very hot her in Florida and I was so worried about her. I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing.

As long as she has shade and water to drink, she'll be fine in the heat. Dogs are tough... we have a tendency to overly baby them.

Maybe instead of dog food, you should set out some type of cooked food like browned hamburger or chicken. Sit out in the back and focus all your attention on your dog by making a HUGE deal about giving her the treats. The other dog may show up... if so.. throw a piece of food her way. She's not feral, just scared.. but treat her like a feral dog.. throw her the food and ignore her and continue to focus on your dog.. once the other dog seems really interested in what you are doing, walk into your house in a very up beat tone and hopefully the dog will follow.. You might have to do that a couple of times.

What did you think about the site I posted? Valuable, not so much? I don't want to keep posting it on other threads if it isn't correct.

(Good post, by the way - very thorough.)

Thank you!

I haven't read that site... I'll try to get to it sometime tonight if I can.

Thank you!

I havent read that site... I'll try to get to it sometime tonight if I can.



I only know from experience, not from training, so it's difficult for me to know what is valuable and what is not.

As long as she has shade and water to drink, she'll be fine in the heat. Dogs are tough... we have a tendency to overly baby them.

Maybe instead of dog food, you should set out some type of cooked food like browned hamburger or chicken. Sit out in the back and focus all your attention on your dog by making a HUGE deal about giving her the treats. The other dog may show up... if so.. throw a piece of food her way. Shes not feral, just scared.. but treat her like a feral dog.. throw her the food and ignore her and continue to focus on your dog.. once the other dog seems really interested in what you are doing, walk into your house in a very up beat tone and hopefully the dog will follow.. You might have to do that a couple of times.

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I took your advice and it turned out great. Both of the dogs are now laying in my lap inside resting while I'm typing this. Lol
She is very high strung and scared of everything. The least little noise scares her. It will take some time, work and patience but I think she will do good here. Poor thing has never even been potty trained. Once again thanks for your help and your right I do tend to baby my pets.

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I took your advice and it turned out great. Both of the dogs are now laying in my lap inside resting while I'm typing this. lol
She is very high strung and scared of everything. The least little noise scares her. It will take some time, work and patience but I think she will do good here. Poor thing has never even been potty trained. Once again thanks for your help and your right I do tend to baby my pets.

I'm glad she's inside. I would highly recommend an animal behaviorist to help you with this pups issues, since she is so skittish, and has been tossed around from home to home. It will help a great deal, and now is the time to do it, since she's still young.

I know that babying is the human way of dealing with a frightened animal, but babying too much can actually be very detrimental to our pets. If we coddle them when they show fear, they learn that that fear is justified. Then that fear becomes a phobia and an issue.

I wish you all the best with your new fur baby.

@ JudyKayTee-
Wow you're coming down pretty hard on someone who has their heart in the right place and IS doing her"homework" by asking questions
You are just rude and thoughtless why not help her out by encouraging
Get off your soap box!
@ TeresaM--First yes you should bring her in and separate them I too have a new dog and it is very scared too I have him I the bathroom with his bed food and water and until he relaxes and comes out from under the counter he will stay there... then we will go from there
He is from a farm where he was not socialized to other people well he is also a year old and so he is very stuck in his ways and very terrified as he endured a plane ride customs and new people myself and my family and new dogs that he can smell
Every dog is different but with patience and frequent visits to the bathroom wher I talk with him and pet him (as best I can) and he will eventually want to come out ; then we will introduce slowly over time to the other dogs and playing it by ear as to how he reacts and they react as well --it isn't easy and can be messy (they usually pee etc if terrified) and time consuming but if done right it is worth it in the end because then everyone was properly introduced etc and harmony is usually reached in time --theer will be squabbles and sometimes dogs just have to work that out themselves --as long as it isn't serious injurious squabbles etc --dogs are pack animals and need to know their place in the pack to feel happy and have a job --it just isn't known to us... I would love to get inside their minds and see how they figure it all out
Good luck to you!

@ JudyKayTee-
wow you're coming down pretty hard on someone who has their heart in the right place and IS doing her"homework" by asking questions you are just rude and thoughtless why not help her out by encouraging - get off your soap box!


Once again I find it fascinating that "someone" takes the time to choose a user name, sign on, pick out ONE question out of - literally thousands - criticize me and then roll on.

So - what is your other user name? I'm sure you used the same IP address.

Oh, as long as you're criticizing me, you might run a spell check and try using punctuation. It makes you sound more educated, and it's easier to read.

I'm new here and was looking up how to coax a fearful dog and how others have dealt with this common theme-- and ran into your rather insensitive reply to this obviously young girl hoping to help her new dog --maybe she wasn't doing things as we may have, but she was trying and you landed all over her--people like you irk me so I replied-- not realizing as I scrolled down she had worked it out which is great for her and for her 2 dogs... No, I have never been on here before and likely not again --people come for help, suggestions etc... not to be picked apart for silly things such as grammar and punctuation.. except people like you who see the flaws first
... sad

I'm new here and was looking up how to coax a fearful dog and how others have dealt with this common theme-- and ran into your rather insensitive reply to this obviously young girl hoping to help her new dog --maybe she wasn't doing things as we may have, but she was trying and you landed all over her--people like you irk me so I replied-- not realizing as I scrolled down she had worked it out which is great for her and for her 2 dogs...No, I have never been on here before and likely not again --people come for help, suggestions etc...not to be picked apart for silly things such as grammar and punctuation..except people like you who see the flaws first
...sad


Come back after you've posted 39,000 times and criticize anyone you like. Until then - you don't know enough judge anyone.

I didn't realize you were searching for an answer. I thought you answered a question. For the benefit of people who don't "irk" you, what is your question?

People like me "irk" you. People like you, judgmental, no background, "irk" me. I'm "insensitive" based on one post. Well, then, that's to be expected because you admit you answer without reading.

I guess we're even. Not that it matters because you won't be back.

You did read what the expert, Lucky, said, right? "walk into your house in a very up beat tone and hopefully the dog will follow.. You might have to do that a couple of times."

I'm new here ...No, I have never been on here before and likely not again --people come for help, suggestions etc...not to be picked apart for silly things such as grammar and punctuation..except people like you who see the flaws first
...sad
And thus you are going to leave the best Q&A site on the Internet because you didn't like what one person said?

Rory, this is what you wrote to Judy.


you are just rude and thoughtless

I always find it amusing when someone comes here, posts once, and calls someone else rude and thoughtless. That in itself is rude and thoughtless. So you don't like it when someone else is, what you consider "rude and thoughtless", but you have no problem, and feel that you're entitled, to be rude and thoughtless right back?

This is the pot calling the kettle black.

OK so,maybe I was wrong to do as I did, and the other member is just as at fault --it's just people seem so quick to get up on their high horse and judge! This girl was quite distressed and she herself was upset by the useless reply.. and yes, maybe I reacted too hastily too,but as mentioned it's a pet peeve
OK it's over now right? --we can move on I admit it I'm an idiot with bad grammar and a really scared dog under my bathroom sink.

Rory, this is what you wrote to Judy.

I always find it amusing when someone comes here, posts once, and calls someone else rude and thoughtless. That in itself is rude and thoughtless. So you don't like it when someone else is, what you consider "rude and thoughtless", but you have no problem, and feel that you're entitled, to be rude and thoughtless right back?

This is the pot calling the kettle black.


I will add that two specific things come to mind: "wow you're coming down pretty hard on someone who has their heart in the right place ..."

I worked in animal rescue. I do not right now. I saw and cared for and placed any number of dogs that were owned by people whose "hearts were in the right place" but their brains were somewhere else. Have I seen previously indoor dogs left outside to cope with animals, both pets and wild, heat, cold, dark, rain, no water, no food, no shelter while people tried to "figure it out." Yes, I have. Have I seen dogs badly injured by the "family pets" who are trying to get everyone to be one big happy family? Yes, I have.

Have all my dogs been rescues? Yes, they have.

Do your homework first. These aren't stuffed toys. These are living, breathing creatures.

How to you know the OP is "obviously (a) young girl"? Not that it matters, but how do you know?

OK so,maybe I was wrong to do as I did, and the other member is just as at fault --it's just people seem so quick to get up on their high horse and judge! This girl was quite distressed and she herself was upset by the useless reply ..and yes, maybe I reacted too hastily too,but as mentioned it's a pet peeve
ok it's over now right? --we can move on I admit it I'm an idiot with bad grammar and a really scared dog under my bathroom sink.

If course we can move on. I hope you stick around.

If you do, you'll see why we sometimes post the way we do. If you spend a few hours every day answering dog questions, most of which consist of "My dog has a gaping wound with maggots coming out, should I take her to the vet?" and things like "My dog is in labor, one of the puppies is stuck, but I can't afford a vet. Can I save the puppy? I'm selling them for $2000 each and I need the money. I can bottle feed if the mom dies".

After a while it gets to you and you shoot first and ask questions later.

Not saying that's a good thing, but we're all human. We're not robots, and we go to the pet forums because we love animals. Sometimes we just get upset because it's too much.

Rory, dry what I do with feral cats. Sit down on the floor and just be there. Talk to yourself, sing a little bit, say out loud the story of Goldilocks or Hansel & Gretel or recite Bible verses or poetry, and let him get used to your voice, but totally ignore him. Do this for a week and reassess.

OK so,maybe I was wrong to do as I did, and the other member is just as at fault --it's just people seem so quick to get up on their high horse and judge! This girl was quite distressed and she herself was upset by the useless reply ..and yes, maybe I reacted too hastily too,but as mentioned it's a pet peeve
ok it's over now right? --we can move on I admit it I'm an idiot with bad grammar and a really scared dog under my bathroom sink.


Laughing - this is an apology? The "other member" is just as at fault? The "useless" reply? Oh, but it's okay because it's a pet peeve.

Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought - oh, never mind.

I will add that two specific things come to mind: "wow you're coming down pretty hard on someone who has their heart in the right place ..."

I worked in animal rescue. I do not right now. I saw and cared for and placed any number of dogs that were owned by people whose "hearts were in the right place" but their brains were somewhere else. Have I seen previously indoor dogs left outside to cope with animals, both pets and wild, heat, cold, dark, rain, no water, no food, no shelter while people tried to "figure it out." Yes, I have. Have I seen dogs badly injured by the "family pets" who are trying to get everyone to be one big happy family? Yes, I have.

Have all my dogs been rescues? Yes, they have.

Do your homework first. These aren't stuffed toys. These are living, breathing creatures.

How to you know the OP is "obviously (a) young girl"? Not that it matters, but how do you know?
Case and point --you are still carrying this on when I laid down my sword... I don't know I just got the impression by the wording etc that she was...
You are right I guess you get jaded by people doing and saying crazy things as the other members have pointed out Im sorry I offended now can we move on?

Rory, dry what I do with feral cats. Sit down on the floor and just be there. Talk to yourself, sing a little bit, say out loud the story of Goldilocks or Hansel & Gretel or recite Bible verses or poetry, and let him get used to your voice, but totally ignore him. Do this for a week and reassess.

Ive been doing that and touching his head and paws which he likes --I can tell he will eventually be OK, but thanks and he does seem to be responding. I have been taking in dogs as well for a while but this guy is especially terrified so yes --we wait until he makes his move... thank you for the help though.

case and point --you are still carrying this on when I laid down my sword....I don't know I just got the impression by the wording etc that she was ...
you are right I guess you get jaded by people doing and saying crazy things as the other members have pointed out Im sorry I offended now can we move on?


- And here's why you drew blood with the sword you have now put down. I was very much upset by the insensitive remark. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm inappropriate.

Don't call me insensitive.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/blog/andi-phyllis-diller-dogs-judykaytee-678813.html

Laughing - this is an apology? The "other member" is just as at fault? The "useless" reply? Oh, but it's okay because it's a pet peeve.

Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought - oh, never mind.

I think you're catching on... never mind... works for me.

Okay, enough.

Rory, if you have a dog question then please start a new thread. More people will see it. By posting your question here only the people that have already subscribed (posted) to this thread will see it and answer.

Also, try to remember that even if you don't like the way someone posts, just because it's not your style, or it's a peeve of yours, doesn't mean you have the right to put that person down. Does it happen? Of course. We're all human. But you really did stick your foot in your mouth coming here and dissing a highly respected member of this site in your very first post here. Not a great way to make friends and influence people.

Let's all start fresh, and go about what we're here to do, answer questions.

Clunk, off my soapbox. :)

[QUOTE=Alty;3217652]

- okay, I was inappropriate. Sorry, Alty - I really am.

- And here's why you drew blood with the sword you have now put down. I was very much upset by the insensitive remark. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm inappropriate.

Don't call me insensitive.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/blog/andi-phyllis-diller-dogs-judykaytee-678813.html

Nope I have to stick with insensitive --especially since you simply won't let this go, Ive apologized and even recognized the error in my ways but you cannot let it go.. for the last time as you so aptly put it... never mind.

- Or your high horse!

Point taken thanks

- Or your high horse!

LOL! True enough.

Just don't want to see this thread get shut down because of hijacking and arguing. You know as well as I do that the mods will likely delete all those posts anyway. Also, Rory obviously isn't going to let it go. Sometimes walking away proves your point far better than beating a dead horse. :)

I do agree with you, I just don't see any point in arguing with someone that obviously just wants a fight.

(hugs)

- okay, I was inappropriate. Sorry, Alty - I really am.

No, I didn't take it in a bad way. You don't need to apologize. I also agree. Dog knows I have no right to say anything, I've fought with people on this site too. Many times. It's easier to give advice than it is to take it. :)

Judy, you know you can tell me whatever is on your mind. If you don't like what I've posted, then tell me. You and I have been there and back, and I think we know each other well enough to know that we don't always have to agree, but we can disagree respectfully. We learned that the hard way, but fact is, we did learn it. :)

LOL! True enough.

Just don't want to see this thread get shut down because of hijacking and arguing. You know as well as I do that the mods will likely delete all those posts anyway. Also, Rory obviously isn't going to let it go. Sometimes walking away proves your point far better than beating a dead horse. :)

I do agree with you, I just don't see any point in arguing with someone that obviously just wants a fight.

(hugs)

I didn't come to fight, however, if not backing down from someone who thinks they are the only one in the right then I guess it's a fight... I was insulted as well-- I was accused of having poor grammar etc by this "highly respected" member --to me that type of low digging is not the makings of a truly good person in any forum. Its darned insensitive actually.
I said my piece I tried to make peace and it just didn't fly with Miss Judy-- so as you so well recommended Alta-- Ill not post again --My apologies to the other members for having to witness this mess --it was and is my fault too I was acting foolish to stick up for someone who seemed helpless... hmmm... ok Im done.
Keep saving the animals ladies and gentlemen that's what's important in the end

I was accused of having poor grammar etc by this "highly respected" member
No, you weren't. She asked you to add punctuation to your posts so they would be easier to read. And I agree. And I am the site editor and a mod.

And if one person on this site bothers you, stick around until the evening. Twenty more are going to come out of the woodwork. Being on here is sort of like real life, Some people will annoy you and some people will agree with you. You learn to ignore those who annoy you, or your blood pressure goes up.

No, you weren't. She asked you to add punctuation to your posts so they would be easier to read. And I agree. And I am the site editor and a mod.

And if one person on this site bothers you, stick around until the evening. Twenty more are going to come out of the woodwork. Being on here is sort of like real life,. Some people will annoy you and some people will agree with you. You learn to ignore those who annoy you, or your blood pressure goes up.

Well site editor --go back and reread that post ! It was a low blow --I'm not denying punctuation is nice, and makes for nice clean reading, but that is not at all how it was portrayed and you know it. So for my blood pressure do you suggest Chamomile tea or straight to something like propanolol?

Well site editor --go back and reread that post ! It was a low blow --I'm not denying punctuation is nice, and makes for nice clean reading, but that is not at all how it was portrayed and you know it. So for my blood pressure do you suggest Chamomile tea or straight to something like propanolol?

Rory, you keep saying you won't continue to post, yet you do.

What you don't understand is that you came here and delivered the first blow.

I guess you think you can say whatever you want to people and they're just supposed to sit back, smile nicely, and take it. That's not how real life works. If you want to slap someone, expect to get slapped back.

I think it's time to close this thread. I tried to be nice Rory, but enough is enough.

Well site editor --go back and reread that post ! It was a low blow --I'm not denying punctuation is nice, and makes for nice clean reading, but that is not at all how it was portrayed and you know it. So for my blood pressure do you suggest Chamomile tea or straight to something like propanolol?
So now you are coming after meeeeeeeee?

This thread is closed.