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Teaching
Feb 26, 2007, 02:11 PM
The Law of Attraction


What you focus on expands. Your thoughts, feelings, and actions will expand and return to you.


Every thought you have, is like placing an order out into the universe and it will return to you. If you truly want to change your life for the better then change your thoughts and your words. Like attracts like. Whatever you focus on will return to you.


This secret law of attraction when not understood can cause your path in life to be much bumpier than necessary. The more you understand that every thought, word and deed will create your reality then you will understand you are in control of changing your life for the better by changing your thoughts, words, and actions.

valinors_sorrow
Feb 26, 2007, 02:40 PM
Very interesting post... I tend to think there is something to this, Teaching. I don't know if its quite as absolute as its written about here, but I can tell you that a great deal more goes on that is not usually seen or heard or noticed at all for many people. Those who see or hear or notice that stuff certainly have an advantage. Intention is something humans hide too easily from themselves and to their own misfortune too. Additionally it helps to realise how reality is co-authored by everyone. But what part of reality we each experience firsthand ourselves, we largely choose. The trouble is we don't see ourselves choosing it when we do. Its important to get good at recognising that if you choose X, that Y and Z come with it. Or sometimes to solve something, you have to be willing to give up something for it. Its just how the world works and no one is capable of bending those rules anymore than they can suspend gravity or breathe underwater unaided.

Teaching
Feb 26, 2007, 02:47 PM
I saw this on one of the sites and thought it was something nice to share. I thought it might help us all on focusing on what we want.

Bluerose
Feb 26, 2007, 03:30 PM
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Val,

I created this little diagram to try to show how our worlds become entwined. We each live in a world of our own creation but our worlds inevitably overlap.

I believe we create our own world from the thoughts we entertain.

Thought is creative. All thought, good and bad, is creative and tends to become a material thing.

This is rather complicated. The short version is that we are learning to think more positive because our life becomes what we think about the most. And whatever our life becomes, it also effects everyone else's world and their’s ours.

I hope that made sense.

Teaching
Feb 26, 2007, 03:44 PM
How true, it affects other's lives and also ours...

NeedKarma
Feb 26, 2007, 03:51 PM
Like Attracts Like - The Secret (http://www.positive-way.com/like_attracts_like_the_secret_la.htm)

sexybeasty
Feb 26, 2007, 03:58 PM
This is true. It is like speaking kind words to yourself and others. The response is awsome. Instead of allowing bad thoughts to come into our heads and condemning ourselves, we need to speak kindness and beauty and love. When this changes our hearts towards ourselves, it cannot help but to spill out to others in love and truth and goodness. Positivity breeds positivity. We can weed our gardens of what can choke us and cultivate the best of our produce until we have so much that we need to give some out.

You bring out the flowery side of me, teach. Yeah, I have had this philosophy for a while now. It brought my husband to me, and he is the best!

chuff
Feb 26, 2007, 09:07 PM
Okay the story I'm about to tell is all true and now makes me wonder about what's going on here.

Last Wednesday, Thursday or Friday I was reading a book about goals and it mentioned the law of attraction. Up until then I had never heard about this in my life or if I did I never focused on it or let it sink into long term memory. Didn't think much about other than what I read. But Saturday morning when I woke up I was brushing my teeth and the thought of the law of attraction came into my head. I didn't have anything to ask for need or focus on so I just noted it in my memory but didn't give it much second thought.

On Sunday I was looking into documentaries on secret societies and I got the movie that Needkarma referenced called the secret. Mind you I got it because I thought it was about secret societies, specifically the Skull and bones secret society so I was no where close or even thinking about the law of attraction.

But I start the movie and the first couple minutes I was confused because this woman's father dies but then they start talking about the secret so I figured it was all tied in. They then have the various people talking about the secret of the law of attraction. Now mind you I had never heard of this until 2 to 4 days before last Sunday, and it had popped into my head Saturday morning to the point that I remembered it, and now I've got a movie on the law of attraction that I'm watching by accident.

So I get done with the movie and to be honest I don't know what to think. Some of it doesn't make sense but some of it does. The law of attraction basically states that if you focus on something it will happen because there are forces working to make it happen for you. Others can probably give a better definition because I still don't understand it completely. But what I found interesting to me was that with in a period of a week I heard about the law of attraction, thought about it, then had a movie about it. So in essence I used the law of attraction for the law of attraction.

So I tried it the other day when I went to Sam's Club. Now for those of you who have never been to the Lakeland, Florida Sam's Club let me encourage you not to go. The lines are ridiculesly long and I've actually complained to the store manager the time I was in there before this. The particular day I complained I had waited 25 minutes to buy frozen strawberries in one of the 4 registers opened of a possible 18. After getting an attitude problem from Chris initially I backed him right down with my thoughts. It was great too, I got Chris to admit to me that his store alone make $115 million in a year. Chris said they didn't make enough in the budget to pay other people. To which I pointed out they could pay five extra people $10.00 and hour for 10 hours and still only be out $500.00 I questioned how that really would hurt his $115 million bottom line. Anyway lets just say it was one of the few times I had someone completely defeated in a verbal argument.

In the movie they give the example of a guy that uses it to think himself a good parking spot. So before I left I said "I'm going to get a parking spot up front" I then repeated that as I drove. I get there and low and behold I get a parking spot open in the second closest spot from the front door. Although that never happens I'm still not sure about this or about what I'm really even doing but I'm pretty impressed.

But then it dawned on me that the lines here are terrible so I said I'm going to get into a line with one person in front of me. Got my milk and oddly enough find a line open with one person currently checking out and one person behind her. So I was thinking that was probably close enough considering that usuually the lines are 20 to 30 people deep.

But here's the thing, the first lady was done checking out in 45 seconds because her transaction was almost complete. The people in front of me then bought some big screen TV and they had to call security and get some kind of okay. So it still took about 10 minutes.

But I've been thinking about how to clarify this or learn more about it. I've searched some websites but they are all pay sites. What's now interesting is it's been on my mind all week. Low and behold here on the very website I spend hours at, less than 10 days after I've heard about this law and this movie we have a post about the law and the link to the movie.

Could it all be a coincidence? It could. Could it be the law of attraction, attracting me to the law of attraction? It could. I can't answer that, but I think it's interesting that all this has happened.

Scleros
Feb 27, 2007, 12:02 AM
I don't find this all that magical or surprising. The brain ignores the majority of the stimuli it receives, otherwise you could remember what you had for lunch last Tuesday and what the waiter smelled like. If you are thinking about something, stuff that is related that would normally be ignored if you're weren't thinking about it, now gets noticed.

Compounding the... environmental ignorance, for lack of a better term, is the fact that I suspect most of us are so wrapped up in the little reality inside our heads that we fail to notice even the blatantly obvious.

Frame of reference is also important to our perceived reality. Lay down on the floor sometime. I think you'll find smells and odors more intense. Our pet's reality therefore differs a good bit from our own.

kristynn
Feb 27, 2007, 05:34 AM
Can anyone try to explain why is it this way: Like attracts like?

valinors_sorrow
Feb 27, 2007, 06:49 AM
Those, Chuff, are some of the connections and patterns I often see, that I see others don't see. We make choices and decisions that are so very tiny and invisible as to appear to be "magic". I am not psychic as some of my friends claim. I simply see more of those connections, directions, patterns and outcomes than most people. I learned how to as a kid in a really desperate way in order to survive a war-zone like environment. Now it serves me well in better times.

Scleros is on to something really significant. The world experience is too big for us limited creatures and so we create filters to only let in a certain amount. Those filters are many and vary from the more obvious (like body language) to the deeply subconscious (like dreams). It is much bigger than just our thoughts, although thought very much is a part of it. If you have a certain topic-related filter clog up so that it prevents you from learning, you will stack up lots of "reminders" relevant to that particular one that will be screaming for you to clean out your filter! Most people's troubles stem from their not seeing reality as it is, but rather as they hope or fear. They trust their filters too much, and allow themselves to claim the distorted reality as real. They cultivate a subjective, rather than an objective point of view.

You apparently had a lot of different filters cleaned out and receptive to this topic, Chuff! Aren't we humans something else? LOL

This is why a small defenseless child, unaware of so much, can go into a room full of very real monsterous type adults who are all arguing and threatening with each other with destruction on the verge of breaking out and yell, STOP!! And the monsters will all stop dead in their tracks. The channels are just that open. Its why sometimes, if we are paying attention, we feel unstoppable too.


Can anyone try to explain why is it this way: Like attracts like?
I get that a very large part of it is that it functions as a very basic affirmation that we are likable. I have watched people in the world and it seems the more a person is genuinely convinced that they are likable from a variety of sources, the more capable they are of broadening their attraction and they become attractive to all kinds. That is what politicians call chrisma. A person who really likes themselves in an appropriate way (humble, not arrogant) becomes "every man" or "every woman" and is able to affirm to all kinds of people that they are likable too, not just the ones they are exacly like. Interesting isn't it? It behooves to look at who your friends are as they are in many ways a mirror of you.

sexybeasty
Feb 27, 2007, 08:50 AM
Just a tidbit I want to add, my husband knew me in jr. high. I had a terrible crush on him then and he found out.

Years later, I started to work for the Post Office, weeks before, he kept wondering about me and wanted to know what became of me. Then there I was, working at the same place as him.

I was painfully shy in his presence, as all the gals liked him. He has always been a dreamboat. For five years I could barely speak to him. Then one day I started to affirm myself. I said, "You are pretty and smart and funny and kind. You are as good as anybody here. You are worthy of love and kindness." Then I went after him and we were married in two months. Turned out, we were compatible in all areas of our lives and it took years to find this out. With the laws of attraction, things worked out. As a Christian, these are in the Bible. They are called blessings. I was blessing myself with self love.

Something else funny. A middleschool pal was making a joke in my hubby's jr. high yearbook back when signing it, and wrote "Good Luck with Cindy F******X. It was my whole maiden name. He showed it to me right before we married.

There was a lot going on where my husband was concerned.

x-mo-x
Feb 27, 2007, 09:48 AM
Errm... I don't understand it??

chuff
Feb 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
:confused: errm... i dont understand it????

I'm in the middle of it and I don't understand either. LOL.

The best way I can describe it is that if you put your focus on something enough and ask for something you will get it. Most people think about "why does my life suck" or "why are people always mean to me" and so that's what they get. Basically your supposed to think positive thoughts, focus on them, and then allow them to happen.

It's sort of like when you think about a song you haven't heard in a while but then 20 minutes later you hear it on the radio. Did that just happen or was there something at work that made that happen? Yes that brings the obvious question why doesn't everybody just think themselves happy or rich or famous to which I can't really answer yet. My guess is because when you start thinking differently for an extended period your brain starts putting up roadblocks.

This is where I kind of didn't get the movie or this belief, because I agree that if you stay positive about something and focus on it then it can come. But in the movie they were saying this kind of thing changes with in a month or two. If your dreaming to be the CEO of a fortune 500 company and you are currently working as a bagger at the supermarket it's not going to happen in 2 months. That's not to say it can't happen. It just can't happen in two months.

But I do agree that if you focus on something and think about it then there could be something at work outside of you that brings it to you. As Sexybeasty stated with her husband who she knew but lost contact with. Did it just happen that she showed up after he was thinking about her? It could be, or maybe something bigger was positioning them together. Other than my one little experiment, which I tried because I saw it the movie I can't say. But it sort of worked for me. I got the parking spot up front. The line was not exactly what I asked for, since I asked for 1 person but techniquely got two. I also assumed 1 person in front of me meant the line was going to be moving quick, which did not happen. But usually when I walk into Sam's Club I always get negative and think "Why do they not hire more people" and "Why are there lines always long" and I always got long lines. Last week when I tried it I got a short line but still had to wait. So there is a glitch in this whole formula because something can always come up that you don't expect.

Bluerose
Feb 27, 2007, 04:14 PM
The Law of Attraction:

The law of attraction is more about what we attract to us through our predominant thinking process. We are apt to get that which we think about the most... Think lack and limitation and lack and limitation is what you get.

Think and worry about debts and you just get more debts.

Think about what you want and not about what you don't want.

Instead of thinking and worrying about debt, think about all the positive ways that you can take care of the debts.

Want health and happiness think about health and happness - not sickness and pain.

The law of attraction has nothing to do with like attracting like. It's all about what we attract to ourselves because of what and how we think.


Cultivate more positive thinking.

Depending on how you choose to use it, electricity can be constructive or destructive. Used positively it can fill a room with light. Used negatively it can give you a nasty shock. Mind is creative. All thought, good and bad, is creative and tends to become a material thing. And, like the electricity, it can be constructive or destructive, depending on how you choose to use it; positively or negatively.

Val,

"I simply see more of those connections, directions, patterns and outcomes than most people. I learned how to as a kid in a really desperate way in order to survive a war-zone like environment. Now it serves me well in better times."

Had to spread it or I would have agreed one hundred percent. I could have wrote what you wrote above. I am happy and thrilled to know that I come from the same direction as such a wonderful insightful person such as yourself.

Skell
Feb 27, 2007, 07:44 PM
So if I concentrate and think hard enough on I will have Jessica Alba knocking on my front door at 9pm tonight?

Bluerose
Feb 28, 2007, 12:29 AM
chuff,

The Secret is based on The Master Key
You can get it free on line.
I read it in my twenties and a few times since as a refresher course.

The law of attraction works but we mere mortals must work at it.

The Master Key is where most of my personal philosophy comes from.


PsiTek - The Master Key System - FREE (http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTMKSContents.html)


Glad you like my new avatar. I'm always on the look out for nice 'profile pics'.

rosy_123
Feb 28, 2007, 12:39 AM
Have you read "excuse me, your life is waiting" by lynn grabhorn? I just started it, it's also about the law of attraction. So cool that you posted this.

rol
Feb 28, 2007, 01:40 AM
Chuff ,forget about boring things like supermarkets and parking, put it to better use like that of the beautiful scottish gal! :)

Bluerose
Feb 28, 2007, 01:41 AM
"So if i concentrate and think hard enough on i will have Jessica Alba knocking on my front door at 9pm tonight?" lol

It's not about concentrating, it's more about becoming a positive thinker and learning to direct your thoughts.

You desire something...

You have faith until you believe and you believe until you know... And if it was meant to be it will be. And if not, perhaps something better is on the way. Believe it!

Through the law of attraction we have drawn everything in our lives to us. Through relaxation and meditation we can learn to focus the mind and be more selective about what we want to have in our lives.

It’s also important to realise that we get what we think we deserve. If you are asking for something and it doesn’t seem to be working, perhaps it’s because you simply can’t imagine yourself with something so wonderful. Work on bringing smaller more obtainable things into your life until your confidence in the law of attraction becomes more of a reality.

Have faith until you believe and believe until you know.

That statement has nothing to do with religion.
I am not a religious person.

The Law Of Attraction was a secret.
A secret even the church spent hundreds of years trying to conceal from the peasants.

Well we are no longer peasants, and we have the secret!

It is a secret no longer! It is a real ability that we all have! It is not magic or witchcraft! It doesn’t happen over night, and it must be worked at!

I read the Master Key in my twenties and have been working on and using it ever since. My journey is endless, and I have all the time in the world.

I am not rich, perhaps this is because of my 'Nun Mentality' (one of everything is sufficient). I chose to live a simple life.

My soldier ex-hubby was injured in Northern Ireland twice during the troubles in the 70s. He received thousands and thousands of pounds in compensation - Twice!

We have had money and we have been without money. We owned a four bedroom house, cars etc. We sent our children to boarding school. And as daft as it sounds, I was never comfortable with wealth. Perhaps because I didn't earn it and therefore felt I didn't deserve it. Who knows.

I talk to people about positive thinking and the law of attraction, and I am left feeling like a Psychic who has been in a car accident, "Didn't you 'see' it coming?" lol

People will ask me, "How come, if you believe in all that stuff, you're not rich?"

Well I think that's why - because I don't want it, I don't feel I deserve it.

That may seem like a rather lame excuse for this positive thinker - believer in the law of attraction - not being a rich woman but it is the only one I have.

rol
Feb 28, 2007, 02:31 AM
Thanks for that Bluerose, very interesting.

Im also a very positive thinker and lucky person.
Sometimes I find it amazing how lucky I am and sometimes I believe it is also due to my positive thinking and thinking that all will be fine regardless.
Various things have happened to me over the years, losing objects(example I have lost my handbag 6 times in my life, twice at busy airports in busy bars and each time I have found it again, the last time it happened I was laughing and I thought to myself its OK I know I'm going to find it and someone had handed the bag into the bar, my friends think this is incredible , which it is actually.. )

I get things I want, things come easily.

But is this just coincidence? I don't know, I must check those books out..

valinors_sorrow
Feb 28, 2007, 06:17 AM
Money is like the electricity mentioned -- it can be used for good or bad, your choice. Most people who don't have money don't realise its not inherently good. I grew up in one of the wealthiest communities in the US and saw that excess money ofter exaggerated the foibles of life while oddly suppressing its zest and those people were used to handling wealth too!

I can think of at least a half dozen things that are better at making one feel "rich" than money! LOL

Bluerose
Feb 28, 2007, 10:06 AM
rol,

I don't believe in coincidences or accidents. I believe everything happens for a reason. And that reason is because somewhere along the line we thought about it happening to us.

A lot of this is quite difficult for some people to accept but I have been working with this over thirty years and I swear to you more and more people are coming to understand it and accept it as a fact.

The sales of books on Self-Help and Cultivating Positive Thinking has been going through the roof. Just check the net.

chuff
Feb 28, 2007, 02:10 PM
chuff,

The Secret is based on The Master Key
You can get it free on line.
I read it in my twenties and a few times since as a refresher course.

The law of attraction works but we mere mortals must work at it.

The Master Key is where most of my personal philosophy comes from.


PsiTek - The Master Key System - FREE (http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTMKSContents.html)


Glad you like my new avatar. I'm always on the look out for nice 'profile pics'.

Thanks for the link. I'm about two weeks into the law of attraction and all of sudden new law of attraction opportunities are being opened up to me. I viewed the site and I'll read it all in the next couple of days to a week.

Skell
Feb 28, 2007, 09:04 PM
Ok then. This is now getting weird. I had never heard of all this stuff you guys are talking about here (i.e. "The Secret", 'The Master Key System" etc) until i read this thread today. I found it interesting and decided to subscribe to reading it via the link that Bluerose gave above. I have been sent by email the first week of "The Master key System" just today

Anyway, whilst eating my lunch at work, as is do everyday, I went to smh.com.au which is Sydney's leading broadsheet newspapers online site to catch up on the news. Being a amle I started at the sport and then progressed to the other stories that interest me. Well guess what today, of all days, the most viewed article on the site is? Check the link out below.

Cosmic secret pays out earthly dollars for controversial guru - National (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/28/1172338710029.html?from=top5)

And you think your powerful Chuff because you get a good car park at the supermarket. My positive thinking (and advanced intelligence no doubt) has controlled the minds of the 6 million readers of this paper and have channeled them to finding out more about "The Secret". Get that into you!

I bet Jessica is on her way to my place as we speak!!

Im not lying either. This actually happened. I found it quite funny but also really freaky!

rol
Mar 1, 2007, 02:11 AM
Thanks bluerose, I must start reading more about it, Thanks Teaching for putting the original question also, I have seen it everywhere recently also but have never bothered to look at it as I thought it was just a new "hype" but when ye all started talking about it here it got me thinking.

The more I think about it I am starting to find it weird also... that when I am positive positive things happen but when I start thinking bad things bad things happen(rewind to the engagement phase my thoughts were God I wish people would stop talking about the ceremony and dresses etc, this is starting to get on my nerves " and 2 weeks later boom ;-)

Hmm better keep to the positive thinking from now on :-)

valinors_sorrow
Mar 1, 2007, 05:41 AM
It really has to do with what you have your filter set for... that article, Skell, would have still been there but you would not have noticed it or ascribed the significance to it you have. The world is a boggle-the-mind vast and varied garden from which we pick what we want. That goes for the weeds as well as the flowers. It is also influenced by what is planted too, again both weeds or flowers. I don't believe we are singular creators of our reality but rather co-creators and that many others are in the mix as well to a greater or lessor degree. This is why its very powerful and profitable to pay attention to what I am giving and receiving in the many many choices I make each day. Its not wise to allow this to happen whilst pratically asleep and yet I see many people every day who are asleep and therefore reckless participants in this co-creating process. You could say I am here helping on AMHD in order to wake some of them up! LOL

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 1, 2007, 06:38 AM
I feel like I have just entered a wormhole.. This thread is excellent!
I do agree that positive energy attracts positive outrcomes and negative energy attracts negative outcomes. People often follow patterns in life but I believe these patterns can be broken.

rol
Mar 1, 2007, 06:45 AM
OK so yesterday decided to put this to action... in the form of "i am going to hear from my ex tomorrow" (bad I know but was supposed to be for fun ;-)

So yesterday sent lots of happy positve thoughts out into the universe.. decided to go out last night with my new "friends" even though staying at home seemed like a better option at the time, so had a fantastic time, laughing , dancing, and positive thinking about everything and thinking last year I was preparing for a wedding and here I am now sitting at the beach with people who are smoking joints and how different life was now.

I came home at 2am and again my ex crossed my mind so I began thinking no problem I will hear from him today and if I don't ah well single life is great.

So went home at lunch today and got a card from him in the post.
This is freaky...
The date of the postmark was the 22nd but it just arrived today from a town 30 minutes away.

Coincidence or factor of positive thinking?

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 1, 2007, 07:05 AM
Interesting, but I don't understand how that works. I'm all for positive thinking though... I think it is something beyond our understanding. Maybe we are in some kind of Matrix or something where everything is a false reality controlled by machines>>>?:confused:

Like the film..

http://www.sitevip.net/the_matrix/images/Matrix01_01.jpg

Bluerose
Mar 1, 2007, 07:43 AM
chuff and Skell, a present for you.

I loved watching Dark Angel.

Jessica Alba - Google Image Search (http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=Jessica+Alba+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2)


PS. Who is your Scottish princess, chuff?

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 1, 2007, 08:00 AM
chuff and Skell, a present for you.

I loved watching Dark Angel.

Jessica Alba - Google Image Search (http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=Jessica+Alba+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2)


PS. Who is your Scottish princess, chuff?


Yum, yum, :rolleyes: Jessica Alba is quite tasty.

One question though, if Chuff and Skell and me are all channeling positive thinking to get Jessica closer to us, how does one win the battle?

LOL:D

Bluerose
Mar 1, 2007, 08:14 AM
“One question though, if Chuff and Skell and me are all channelling positive thinking to get Jessica closer to us, how does one win the battle? ”

That will depend on which one of you believes in the possibility of it actually happening.

We bring to us that which we believe we deserve. Good and bad and I think that may be where Karma comes into the equation.

Oh, God! My head hurts! Lol

rol
Mar 1, 2007, 08:17 AM
Yeah my head hurts also lol.
Think ill stop the overly positive thinking for a bit, ill try again in a few weeks.

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 1, 2007, 08:21 AM
“One question though, if Chuff and Skell and me are all channelling positive thinking to get Jessica closer to us, how does one win the battle??”

That will depend on which one of you believes in the possibility of it actually happening.

We bring to us that which we believe we deserve. Good and bad and I think that may be where Karma comes into the equation.

Oh, God! My head hurts! lol


Okay.. I will have o find a way to throw Skell and Chuff off track but I suppose that would bring negative karma.. LOL

No.. I see your point and I believe Karma to play a huge part in what we are talking about here.

Some may disagree, I appreciate that.

NeedKarma
Mar 1, 2007, 08:22 AM
You called?

valinors_sorrow
Mar 1, 2007, 08:32 AM
The first lie any of us may believe in is that my personal best reality (ie, needs/wants) and your personal best reality (needs/wants) is in conflict or competition. When you begin to see some of the Truth of things here, that lie becomes harder and harder to believe. It is just not set up that way here. A few things are limited, yes, but not in the way you think. Who's to say any of you end up with Jessica when you have yet to factor in what Jessica wants? LOL This is not a matter of experiencing karma (either good or bad) but understanding karma and learning to trust the reasoning underneath it. :D

Bluerose
Mar 1, 2007, 08:40 AM
Val,

"You could say I am here helping on AMHD in order to wake some of them up!"

Same here. But I find myself in conflict over this sometimes. I don't want to preach. I think that is why I like this media - I can write what I believe but you don't have to read it. Kind of lets me off the hook. Understand?

I have posted this already but it explains why I agree with you, Val.


We are all in real need of a wake up call. It was once believed that everyone had their own path to follow, their own journey to make. And no one else could interfier with the process. But, for some reason, things seemd to have changed. There is a need in some of us to try to help others to 'see' how things really are. We are just far enough along the road where we can backtrack and try to pass on what we know to those who are struggling. We might have to pay a price for this, but we do it anyway. Because we believe that if we have the urge to do it, and we are faithfully following our path, then our journey must involve helping others along on their path.

rol
Mar 1, 2007, 08:44 AM
<<PS. Who is your Scottish princess, chuff?
>>

Its WAP who writes here:) and she contacted him on a thread today and she has not been here for about a month ;-)..
Isn't that funny lol ;-)

valinors_sorrow
Mar 1, 2007, 08:54 AM
Val,

"You could say I am here helping on AMHD in order to wake some of them up!"

Same here. But I find myself in conflict over this sometimes. I don't want to preach. I think that is why I like this media - I can write what I believe but you don't have to read it. Kinda lets me off the hook. Understand?

I have posted this already but it explains why I agree with you, Val.


We are all in real need of a wake up call. It was once believed that everyone had their own path to follow, their own journey to make. And no one else could interfier with the proccess. But, for some reason, things seemd to have changed. There is a need in some of us to try to help others to 'see' how things really are. We are just far enough along the road where we can backtrack and try to pass on what we know to those who are struggling. We might have to pay a price for this, but we do it anyway. Because we believe that if we have the urge to do it, and we are faithfully following our path, then our journey must involve helping others along on their path.
I fully realise that how I got "here" took many kinds of people teaching me all kinds of lessons. So it is for everyone else too. It took those who taught me poorly, damaging me even and those who taught me well, who helped to heal the damage done by the others. That I learned was my choice. I honor everyone's choice to learn or refuse whatever their lesson is. So as long as I remain on the healing side of the equation, I think its all okay. The trick is to always know my intentions and should they become temporarily suspect, take a break until it passes. Those who I will not engage with think its me rejecting them when most likely its me feeling too unsure that I can maintain that necessary standard with them AND for us both.

I definitely hear you Bluerose, kindred spirit!

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 1, 2007, 09:06 AM
I don't really want Jessica, Chuff and Skell can have her.:)

Skell
Mar 1, 2007, 04:18 PM
Well if you don't want her and Chuff has his Scottish sweetheart, it looks as though little Jess is all mine. I know I haven't factored in what Jess wants, but if she knows what's best for her, she'll want Skell! LOL!!

Sorry to take away from the great discussion on this thread. It is brilliant and I am finding it great but my mind isn't at a level to contribute any more constructively then this rubbish!

Bluerose
Mar 1, 2007, 04:54 PM
"Sorry to take away from the great discussion on this thread."

Don't be sorry. That's what makes it a great thread - we can allow for a little respite before returning to the serious topic.

There is always time for some fun. Lol

chuff
Mar 1, 2007, 04:58 PM
Okay gang here's my law of attraction update. Weird thing happened last night. I was hungry for some Frosted Flakes, a cereal that I eat at all times of the day. So I went to the store to get some and at the end of the isle is a stand with DVD movies on sale. There staring me in the face as I came down the isle was a movie called "Law of Attraction" with Pierce Bronson and someone else that's probably famous. I'd never heard of this movie before and appeared to be a romantic movie which is probably why I'd never heard of it.

As weird as this sounds when I saw that, I stood there for a few minutes though and was just tried to figure out if there was something I was supposed to be picking up one at that moment. I didn't really get any "ah ha" moment but just the fact that this movie jumped out at me, at the end of the cereal isle mind you, the only isle I went to in the store was pretty interesting. Remember I've never heard of until about 2 weeks ago. Now it's kind of jumping out at me at various places.

So today I returned to Sam's Club where up until last week I had to always stand in lines that were 20 to 30 people deep. I was running some other errands so I forgot to think about getting a close parking spot. That hit me the face when I drove into the parking lot and it was completely full. So I parked and thought to myself, "I will spend one minute or less in line" for about two minutes. Then I went in and to my absolute astonishment there were about 10 people cashiering which is never the case. It's always been 3 or 4 at at time. What was even more astonishing was there were no lines. Every lane only had 1 or 2 people in them. Never, no matter the time of day in the last two years I've had a membership here has that been the case.

So, knowing normally how my luck USED to work I would get my stuff and come up and the lines would be 20 or 30 deep again. So I sat down for a second, and just said, "I will get through my line in under a minute." I got up, got my stuff and walked to the front where there for the first time ever was a cashier that was completely open. I even said to her, "I've never been here when I can just walk up to a cashier." She then answered, "Yeah, especially on a Thursday. It's unheard of." I then stood there for awhile like a deer with his eyes caught in the headlights. I was so baffled as to if this was happening because I asked for it or some kind of weird coincidence that this happened now. She finally said, "Sir, I need your card." and I snapped out of my little daze.

I'm going to try it one more time then try to up what I ask for.





Cosmic secret pays out earthly dollars for controversial guru - National (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/28/1172338710029.html?from=top5)

If I’m not mistaken that woman is the woman at the beginning of the movie who is doing the voice over and in the piece about her father dying and finding the secret. The piece is shot like a movie and not a documentary as the rest of the movie is.


And you think your powerful Chuff because you get a good car park at the supermarket. My positive thinking (and advanced intelligence no doubt)

No doubt!



has controlled the minds of the 6 million readers of this paper and have channeled them to finding out more about "The Secret". Get that into ya!!

I’d like to get that kind of power. I’m not even sure what I’m doing that’s why I’m trying it on these seeming small things. But I hope to be opening myself up to your kind of level as soon as I figure it out completely.



I bet Jessica is on her way to my place as we speak!!!!!!!!

I know, I put her on plane from Tampa to Sydney. She should be arriving about 5 pm your time tomorrow. I’m going to stick around Tampa International for a flight from Scotland!!


Im not lying either. This actually happened. I found it quite funny but also really freaky!

Coincidence or some other force at work. I don’t know but the fact that it’s been happening to me, now you makes me wonder what’s going on here.

valinors_sorrow
Mar 1, 2007, 06:41 PM
Well, do let me know how it goes, as I have been trying for years to run my car without the need to stop in at these little annoying places and pour some fairly expensive liquid into it. So far I have run out of gas twice and never once budged the fuel meter, however I tend to get some spectacular gas mileage so go figure? LOL

The problem becomes how our belief systems are built like a pyramid and my "cars run on gas" belief is near the bottom of mine. If I really were able to crack it and wipe out that belief, all kinds of other beliefs would require a commiserate paradigm shift too and I am clearly not up to that task, or if I am, y'all will get to visit me in the nice locked ward as swimming that far upstream is generally pretty hazardous to one's health. LOL

Geoffersonairplane
Mar 2, 2007, 10:55 AM
Chuff, this is all weird, how that happened at the cashiers...

So positive mental thinking can bring someone what they want. This is confusing stuff but could it really be true?

chuff
Mar 2, 2007, 11:30 AM
Chuff, this is all weird, how that happened at the cashiers...

So positive mental thinking can bring someone what they want. This is confusing stuff but could it really be true?

I don't want to say because I don't want to jinx myself! LOL.

I think there's something to this though. I think some people are thinking big deal you didn't wait in line at the store but all I can say is that has never happened in the 2 years I've gone there. Maybe it's a coincidence but I don't know. I used to always go in, even before I got in the store I would be dreading the lines and that's what I always got. Yet despite my history the one time I asked for 1 person in front of me I technically got 2 but the first was finishing the transacton. I still waited awhile so learning from that I just put out the statement "I want to go through my line in a minute or less" and it happened.

I don't play the lottery but I thought I might invest in just once trying this. But the problem is when push comes to shove I don't really believe I can win. Which is what the law of attraction states if you focus on losing you get losing.

That's why I haven't done anything major. I just am not sure of what's going on and I'm not sure if I'm even doing it right. I just know that what I've done so far has pretty much worked. That's why I'm being probably overly careful and deciding what to ask for next.

But to me the bigger thing is how this sort of snowballed for me. I mean two weeks ago I had not heard of this law of attraction and now it's jumping out at me everyday. That's why I just keep what I ask for small. I think if I start asking for something beyond my comfort zone I'm going to blow it. Which again is a negative thought so it's a catch 22.

Bluerose
Mar 2, 2007, 03:34 PM
"So positive mental thinking can bring someone what they want. This is confusing stuff but could it really be true?" - Geoffersonairplane


"I don't want to say because I don't want to jinx myself! LOL." - chuff


Lol! Well I'm not afraid to say it works.

When this started to work for me in my twenties, I freaked out I thought I was going mad. So I tried a few experiments and they worked so well that I thought I was simply having a 'lucky' streak, and I spent a long time expecting the 'luck' to stop. But instead things just got better and better.

I come from a violent abusive childhood, I was very negative, very pessimistic, I grew up hating the world and his wife until I reached my twenties.

For those of you who are just beginning to grasp the concept of the law of attraction through the power of your mind, you might think you are imagining it, you might think you are going mad, and you might get the feeling that someone is looking out for you.

I ran the whole gauntlet because I was very skeptical but my life couldn't get any worse so I decided to give it a chance.

So began my journey... It began with reading Books by Richard Bach such as Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Illusions, etc. I also read books on Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale. And it really began to make sense when I read The Master Key. I went on to read other books on Metaphysics.

I was sitting having lunch today with my daughter and was telling her how at last I was able to share what I believed. We have had casual conversations on this stuff and we have had some fun with it too -

Like one Sunday while serving dinner I had forgot to get gravy and one of my sons was complaining and I was getting annoyed, it wasn't like I had forgot it on purpose. Then a few days later I was vacuuming and heard something being put through the door, I went to see what it was and it was a FREE SAMPLE OF GRAVY GRANULES!

Here's another story... It was my birthday and I was just thinking how nice it would be to receive some flowers when the door bell went, I answered and there stood a delivery lady with a huge bouquet! Then the delivery lady said, "I hope you don't mind, these are for your neighbour but no one is home.” I took the flowers from her with a smile, closed the door and then looking up I said, "Very funny! Next time make sure they have my name on them!"



Another time the kids and I were sitting in the garden on a lovely sunny day chatting about where we would like to go on holiday. One of the kids mentions somewhere quite exotic and I said we would need to win the pools to be able to afford that. (The Pools - Littlewoods Football Pools here in UK, a bit like winning the Lottery).

Then the door went and after the kids had had a moaned about who was going to go answer the door, one of them came back with such a strange look on his face. He held in his hands a box with a picture on it of a kiddies large paddling pool. It was for next door, they were not home! I just stood up, lifted my juice glass and walked casually into the kitchen thinking... Must remember to be more specific! Lol

chuff
Mar 2, 2007, 04:04 PM
For those of you who are just beginning to grasp the concept of the law of attraction through the power of your mind, you might think you are imagining it, you might think you are going mad, and you might get the feeling that someone is looking out for you.

I can't pinpoint my feeling on it exactly, other than to say that something is going on. What that is I don't know. But I sense or have a greater awareness that something is going on. Just like I said about when I walked right to the open cahier, and she told me is was unheard of for a line to be open I just had this weird moment. I can't put it into words other than to say something was going on. I'm sorry I just can't describe it other than that.


Here's another story... It was my birthday and I was just thinking how nice it would be to receive some flowers when the door bell went, I answered and there stood a delivery lady with a huge bouquet of flowers! Then the delivery lady said, "I hope you don’t mind, these are for your neighbour but no one is home.” I took the flowers from her with a smile, closed the door and then looking up I said, "Very funny! Next time make sure they have my name on them!"

Another time the kids and I were sitting in the garden on a lovely sunny day chatting about where we would like to go on holiday. One of the kids mentions somewhere quite exotic and I said we would need to win the pools to be able to afford that. (The Pools - Littlewoods Football Pools here in UK, a bit like winning the Lottery).

Then the door went and after the kids had had a moaned about who was going to go answer the door, one of them came back with such a strange look on his face. He held in his hands a box with a picture on it of a kiddies large paddling pool. It was for next door, they were not home! I just stood up, lifted my juice glass and walked casually into the kitchen thinking... Must remember to be more specific! lol

Those two stories demonstrate exactly what I experienced the first time I tried it. I said I wanted a line with one person assuming that meant the line would be quick. I essentilally got what I asked for but didn't not for see the problem of waiting for 10 minutes. I wasn't specific.

Bluerose
Mar 2, 2007, 06:58 PM
"Those two stories demonstrate exactly what I experienced the first time I tried it. I said I wanted a line with one person assuming that meant the line would be quick. I essentilally got what I asked for but didn't not for see the problem of waiting for 10 minutes. I wasn't specific."

The seed has been sown. You are awakening. There is no turning back once you become aware of the fact that thinking positive can make life much easier.

Negative thoughts are not bad. They are simply telling you about something that needs your attention. Take care of it and move on. It's only when we try to ignore the negative thoughts and warning that we get problems. If you don't take care of the cracks in the walls you shouldn't be surprised when the roof falls down,

"I can't pinpoint my feeling on it exactly, other than to say that something is going on. What that is I don't know. But I sense or have a greater awareness that something is going on. Just like I said about when I walked right to the open cahier, and she told me is was unheard of for a line to be open I just had this weird moment. I can't put it into words other than to say something was going on. I'm sorry I just can't describe it other than that."

Something was going on with me too. I was in my mid twenties and I thought I was cracking up. I am not a religious person but my stepfather at the time was catholic and he suggested I go have a chat with his priest. Which I did and he was very kind and gave me some very good advice... He was the one who told me to avoid wishing harm on anyone and to think good thoughts. I think, even though I didn't understand what was going on, he recognised something in what I was saying. He didn't seem the least bit bothered by what I was saying.


I hope you get a better grasp of it at this stage than I did when I was just starting. It took some time for me to accept that it was me doing it - not a ghost, not Spirit, and not God.


Here is another freebie if your interested -


Free Ebook - As A Man Thinketh by James Allen

As a Man Thinketh by James Allen - Project Gutenberg (http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4507)


"Man is made or unmade by himself; in the armoury of thought he forges the weapons by which he destroys himself. He also fashions the tools with which he builds for himself heavenly mansions of joy and strength and peace. By the right choice and true application of thought, man ascends to the Divine Perfection; by the abuse and wrong application of thought, he descends below the level of the beast. Between these two extremes are all the grades of character, and man is their maker and master."


"Man is always the master, even in his weakest and most abandoned state; but in his weakness and degradation he is the foolish master who misgoverns his "household." When he begins to reflect upon his condition, and to search diligently for the Law upon which his being is established, he then becomes the wise master, directing his energies with intelligence, and fashioning his thoughts to fruitful issues. Such is the conscious master, and man can only thus become by discovering within himself the laws of thought; which discovery is totally a matter of application, self-analysis, and experience."


Earl Nightingale, widely regarded as the father of modern day personal development, called the ideas in this book, "The Strangest Secret". The secret, he said, is "we become what we think about".

rol
Mar 8, 2007, 04:06 AM
I think I am going crazy with this! SERIOUSLY!!
Everything I have thought about is HAPPENING!!

Teaching
Mar 8, 2007, 11:00 AM
Wow, that is FABULOUS. I guess "the law of attraction works".

chuff
Mar 8, 2007, 05:12 PM
I don't want to be the guy to say something went wrong since I was feeling something there for a couple weeks but I kind of had a moment. Tell me what I did wrong if anything.

First the other day I went to my favorite pizza place and the whole way there I was saying "they will make an extra order or someone will not have picked up something and give me something extra" For some reason I've always had this happen to me quite a bit at fast food places and even some nicer restaurants. Last week it happened 3 times so since I was on a role I put it out there for this pizza place. I got nothing other than my pizza.

As far as the law of attraction itself the last it appeared in my life was Sunday night. It was in a unusual way though. I was listening to a show about mixed martial arts and a UFC fight from the night before (which on a side note you should see Randy Couture vs. Tim Sylvia even if your not a fan. Long story short the fight and the end is very motivating). Anyway the radio show originates from Toronto, Canada so I was listening over the internet seeing as I live in Florida, USA and they had a commercial for some event in Toronto with the star of the movie, "The secret." That totally caught me off guard because usually they advertise health care products, gyms, mma websites, and other stuff that is geared for that crowd. The commercial only aired once during the two hour show but I was thinking "there it is again, popping up into my life."

I don't know though about that pizza thing. Was I asking for two much? I figured it was small enough and happens consistently in my life so why not try it. It didn't work though. I haven't tried since.

rol
Mar 9, 2007, 02:51 AM
<,I don't know though about that pizza thing. Was I asking for two much? >>

Maybe it was karma telling you that eating more than 1 pizza is bad for the health!! ;-) lol

chuff
Mar 9, 2007, 03:07 AM
<,I don't know though about that pizza thing. Was I asking for two much? >>

maybe it was karma telling you that eating more than 1 pizza is bad for the health!!!;-) lol

Actually you could be on to something as I usually follow a diet of chicken and protein shakes and in the last 2 months I've all but quick doing it in favor of eating out.

Jiser
Mar 9, 2007, 04:12 AM
Protein shakes! Must be a weight lifter then?

Currently on On whey - cookies and cream :P yummy

chuff
Mar 9, 2007, 04:22 AM
Protein shakes! Must be a weight lifter then?

Currently on On whey - cookies and cream :P yummy

Weightlifter indeed for almost 13 years or so. I use vanilla whey, frozen strawberries or raspberries, milk, and a no calorie black cherry flavoring blend for my protein shakes.

Jiser
Mar 9, 2007, 04:44 AM
Lush, If I could afford to buy frozen fruit I would. I got rotator cuff problems at the moment. Which means no chest, shoulders or generally much :(

It's really frustrating when you have broken up with your EX. I just want to get down the gym and BULK up! But only doing legs/back/arms/delts is annoying.

faithl
Mar 9, 2007, 06:01 AM
I used to believe this kind of thing but I don't anymore. I was positive about a guy I liked, I imagined us together so clearly in my head I actually felt joyful as if I was really there with him. I visualised this often, apparently this is supposed to be sending out positivity to the universe who is listening. Well he ended up getting a girlfriend which wasn't me so I really don't think it's that simple - if it was, we'd all be millionaires! :)

chuff
Mar 10, 2007, 12:48 PM
Lush, If i could afford to buy frozen fruit I would. I got rotator cuff problems at the moment. Which means no chest, shoulders or generally much :(

It's really frustrating when you have broken up with your EX. I just wana get down the gym and BULK up! But only doing legs/back/arms/delts is annoying.

I don't know if they have Sam's Clubs in England but here in the US we have them and there a little different from most supermarkets. You buy things in bulk so you pay more but by volume everything is cheaper. There prices are great, their service (at least in Lakeland and Kissimmee Florida stores) leave a lot to be desired. We have a chain in the southern US based right here in Lakeland called Publix, and how they get the nicest people working at their stores I'll never know but they are the might be the greatest businness I've ever been to when it comes to customer service but they do have high prices on their produce, and when you got through protein shakes like I do I just can't afford to keep buying their little bags of fruit.

That bites, about the rotator cuff, I have bad legs so I don't put a lot of stress on them but I do on my upper body, especially arms. My arms are quite huge and it's my favorite part to work.

s_cianci
Mar 10, 2007, 12:55 PM
Very wise words here. You are what you think you are. You can control your thoughts and actions. You can't control those of anyone else but you can control your own.

chuff
Mar 10, 2007, 01:29 PM
I used to believe this kind of thing but I don't anymore. I was positive about a guy I liked, I imagined us together so clearly in my head I actually felt joyful as if I was realy there with him. I visualised this often, apparently this is supposed to be sending out positivity to the universe who is listening. Well he ended up getting a girlfriend which wasn't me so I really don't think it's that simple - if it was, we'd all be millionaires!! :)

I hear what your saying and I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing but I don't think you can wish for someone if there thoughts are not condusive with your own. In other words I don't think you can say I want "John." I think you can say though, "I want a man that can cook, likes science, dog lover, etc" and then a person matching that description may come to you if what he's wanting is what you have. Bluerose can probably provide a better explanation because she knows this much better then I do.

As far as everybody being millionaires, that was actually covered in the movie and quite honesty that is the one part I seem to understand or was explained better then any other. Most people say they want to be millionaires but then go home and watch TV or surf the internet for hours (of which I'm completely guilty of) and then when the bills start coming in they complain about them or they ask themselves, "Why do I just get bills" or "Where am I always broke." People in mass are told from a young age that "money doesn't grow on trees" and "we can't afford that" and "maybe when we win the lottery." In other words people, unknowingly plant the seeds in children that money or an abundance of money is a bad thing. That is there focus and that is what they get. In other words they say they want money but they also have beliefs that tell them otherwise so they don't do anything that allows the money to come in.

In the movie, there was a part where Jack Canfield, who writes the "chicken soup for the soul" book talks about how he became a millionaire. The first time he tried it he was making $8000 a year and just asked for a $100,000 the following year. He then started to focus on that number and he kept doing it. After some time passed he came up with an idea for his book and followed it. He even throws you a curve ball and admits that he didn't make $100,000 that year. No, he "only" made $93,000. But he never would have got to $93,000 if he didn't focus his thoughts and continue to ask for the $100,000. He would still be stuck making $8000 doing what people who are broke usually do, and that is focus on being broke.

He then set his sights on a million and was the first author his publisher ever paid a million dollars too.

Skell
Mar 11, 2007, 03:18 PM
I hear what your saying and I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing but I don't think you can wish for someone if there thoughts are not condusive with your own. In other words I don't think you can say I want "John." I think you can say though, "I want a man that can cook, likes science, dog lover, etc" and then a person matching that description may come to you if what he's wanting is what you have. Bluerose can probably provide a better explanation because she knows this much better then I do.


And one must remember that we have to take into account what 'John' is thinking. His mind may be set on getting something completely different to what you are after. As you say Chuff it isn't as simple as just focusing on something and it coming true. It is much deeper than that!

Bluerose
Mar 12, 2007, 04:55 AM
It isn't even to do with what you focus on. You are creating everything and every outcome in your life through your thoughts.

It isn't about focusing on what you want. It's more about focusing on the fact that you are bringing everything into your life - whether you focus or whether you are even conscious of the fact, you are already doing it.

Your job is simply to pay attention to your thoughts and keep them as positive as is humanly possible in order to improve the quality of your life.

valinors_sorrow
Mar 13, 2007, 09:59 AM
Here are some more thoughts on this for hopefully your amusement:

What we believe influences everything we do -- every feeling, every decision, every attraction or repelling of anything. So its reaaaaaaaaally important that we know what we believe, consciously and that it be accurate, accurate for who we are AND how the world works. Where it isn't accurate, we will experience trouble and mostly in proportion to how inaccuate it is. That trouble gets routinely misinterpreted. Its meant to tell us to look there, see, there is something off in what you do, feel, think... believe! Mostly what people do with that trouble is bury it in denial, the big killer of personal growth.

Let's look at someone employs denial. She is someone who is stuck with an emotional problem. She tells herself it will take more than she has to fix -- more time, more money, more effort. That is a lie but she tells it anyway and believes it. So what she now has to resort to in order to cover that lie is denial. She'll deny every piece of evidence that comes down the pike that could reveal this emotional problem she is letting remain unfixed and lying to herself about. That would be her business and it would be all fine and well if it were not for this...

What that tells the world at large is here is a person who has so little regard for herself that she won't bother to fix or even attempt to fix a problem. So who do you think that attracts? We are all subject to the millions and millions of tiny bits of information about each other that influences this stuff, don't kid yourself here. Who that attracts is someone who won't care very much about her or who doesn't care about themselves either-- in other words, careless people like herself. The rest of us will somehow know to intuitively back away or not engage her. So the person with the problem that she refuse to fix is very likely to get hurt by someone she attracted and cry "Oh, its not my fault -- look at how they blah blah blah!"

How the other person is... is not her fault but who she attracted is. She won't bother making that distinction but instead will cling fast to her denial system, thereby ensuring she'll continue to have that sort of problem-attraction-denial merrygoround experience. Eventually that denial will move into her subconscious and she won't even be aware of it.

It works something like this only this is a very very very one dimensional simplistic version of one tiny aspect of it. There are dozens of others I am aware of and I have only begun to scratch the surface.

Once a person makes the necessary awarenesses and connections in their own life about matters such as these, they talk a different language. Those who haven't won't understand fully unless and until they do likewise. This is exactly how I understand as much as I do about others. I understand exactly that much about myself. If I can't relate to something someone does, I can only guess or give opinions, not actual tried and tested solutions. That is why there is such power in the solution that begins... "here is what I did, learned, saw, came to understand."

Phew, sorry, I wrote a whole chapter here and didn't realise it. We can talk about conscious versus subconscious later, I guess. LOL

valinors_sorrow
Mar 13, 2007, 11:37 AM
Chuff said this cool thing in another thread but I think it belongs here too...


I would also recommend reading a book called "Beliefs" by Robert Dilts. It won't really be about being picked on, but the book is about our beliefs that as humans we take and assume that sometimes are not true. At some point your brain accepted that you weren't good enough or couldn't do something because you were overweight. When you lost the weight the beliefs stayed. This book can help you change those limiting beliefs. Your weight, or your looks in general is never what held you back, it was your brains decision and reasoning. But that can be changed.

Bluerose
Mar 13, 2007, 03:46 PM
I agree with you for the most part…..

The connection and the effect we have on each others lives…

But I believe we can learn to 'fine tune' that. Fixing it so that we have much more control over our own life and reality.

We begin to realise that everyone is on a journey, a personal journey, and we have no right to interfere with their journey any more than they have the right to interfere with ours.

In most cases where we think we are helping them we are in fact hindering them - holding them back.

There must come a time when you stop being 'in the crowd', a time when you become, and then stop being, a spectator (I feel quite a few of us are at this stage), and then the time comes to realise that it is you doing it.

We can help our family and friends by silently wishing them well, and by having positive thoughts about them, and perhaps wanting, not what we want for them but, what they want for themselves.

We are very capable of writing our own scripts, creating a beautiful plan for our life, a blueprint for happiness, peace and prosperity.

rosy_123
Mar 14, 2007, 05:08 PM
"The trick is to always know my intentions and should they become temporarily suspect, take a break until it passes."

Totally agree, I try try try to do this as best I can, I think it's a very healthy thing to do. I find that it's really hard for me at times though, (taking a break, letting go) but I am still learning this whole law of attraction deal, it's all new to me.

Bluerose
Mar 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
The truth is that it is happening all the time. With every thought you have you draw stuff to you. The important thing is to be more positive in your thinking.

Bluerose
Apr 6, 2007, 08:30 PM
100 Quotes From - The Secret

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1. We all work with one infinite power

2. The Secret is the Law of Attraction (LOA)

3. Whatever is going on in your mind is what you are attracting

4. We are like magnets - like attract like. You become AND attract what you think

5. Every thought has a frequency. Thoughts send out a magnetic energy

6. People think about what they don't want and attract more of the same

7. Thought = creation. If these thoughts are attached to powerful emotions (good or bad) that speeds the creation

8. You attract your dominant thoughts

9. Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of prosperity have it..etc..

10. It's not "wishful" thinking.

11. You can't have a universe without the mind entering into it

12. Choose your thoughts carefully .. you are a masterpiece of your life

13. It's OK that thoughts don't manifest into reality immediately (if we saw a picture of an elephant and it instantly appeared, that would be too soon)

14. EVERYTHING in your life you have attracted .. accept that fact .. it's true.

15. Your thoughts cause your feelings

16. We don't need to complicate all the "reasons" behind our emotions. It's much simpler than that. Two categories .. good feelings, bad feelings.

17. Thoughts that bring about good feelings mean you are on the right track. Thoughts that bring about bad feelings means you are not on the right track.

18. Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in the process of becoming

19. You get exactly what you are FEELING

20. Happy feelings will attract more happy circumstances

21. You can begin feeling whatever you want (even if it's not there).. the universe will correspond to the nature of your song

22. What you focus on with your thought and feeling is what you attract into your experience

23. What you think and what you feel and what actually manifests is ALWAYS a match - no exception

24. Shift your awareness

25. "You create your own universe as you go along" Winston Churchill

26. It's important to feel good ( ( ( (((good))) ) ) )

27. You can change your emotion immediately .. by thinking of something joyful, or singing a song, or remembering a happy experience

28. When you get the hang of this, before you know it you will KNOW you are the creator

29. Life can and should be phenomenal .. and it will be when you consciously apply the Law of Attraction

30. Universe will re-arrange itself accordingly

31. Start by using this sentence for all of your wants: "I'm so happy and grateful now that.... "

32. You don't need to know HOW the universe is going to rearrange itself

33. LOA is simply figuring out for yourself what will generate the positive feelings of having it NOW

34. You might get an inspired thought or idea to help you move towards what you want faster

35. The universe likes SPEED. Don't delay, don't second-guess, don't doubt..

36. When the opportunity or impulse is there .. ACT

37. You will attract everything you require - money, people, connections.. PAY ATTENTION to what's being set in front of you

38. You can start with nothing .. and out of nothing or no way - a WAY will be provided.

39. HOW LONG??? No rules on time .. the more aligned you are with positive feelings the quicker things happen

40. Size is nothing to the universe (unlimited abundance if that's what you wish) We make the rules on size and time

41. No rules according to the universe .. you provide the feelings of having it now and the universe will respond

42. Most people offer the majority of their thought in response to what they are observing (bills in the mail, being late, having bad luck...etc..)

43. You have to find a different approach to what is through a different vantage point

44. "All that we are is a result of what we have thought" - Buddha

45. What can you do right now to turn your life around?? Gratitude

46. Gratitude will bring more into our lives immediately

47. What we think about and THANK about is what we bring about

48. What are the things you are grateful for?? Feel the gratitude.. focus on what you have right now that you are grateful for

49. Play the picture in your mind - focus on the end result

50. VISUALIZE!!! Rehe**** your future

51. VISUALIZE!!! See it, feel it! This is where action begins

52. Feel the joy .. feel the happiness )

53. An affirmative thought is 100 times more powerful than a negative one

54. "What this power is, I cannot say. All I know is that it exists." Alexander Graham Bell

55. Our job is not to worry about the "How". The "How" will show up out of the commitment and belief in the "what"

56. The Hows are the domain of the universe. It always knows the quickest, fastest, most harmonious way between you and your dream

57. If you turn it over to the universe, you will be surprised and dazzled by what is delivered .. this is where magic and miracles happen

58. Turn it over to the universe daily.. but it should never be a chore.

59. Feel exhilarated by the whole process .. high, happy, in tune

60. The only difference between people who are really living this way is they have habituated ways of being.

61. They remember to do it all the time

62. Create a Vision Board .. pictures of what you want to attract .. every day look at it and get into the feeling state of already having acquired these wants

63. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." Albert Einstein

64. Decide what you want .. believe you can have it, believe you deserve it, believe it's possible for you

65. Close your eyes and visualize having what you already want - and the feeling of having it already.

66. Focus on being grateful for what you have already .. enjoy it!! Then release into the universe. The universe will manifest it.

67. "Whatever the mind of man can conceive, it can achieve" W. Clement Stone

68. Set a goal so big that if you achieved it, it would blow your mind.

69. When you have an inspired thought, you must trust it and act on it.

70. How can you become more prosperous?? INTEND IT!!

71. 'Checks are coming in the mail regularly'... or change your bank statement to whatever balance you want in there... and get behind the feeling of having it.

72. Life is meant to be abundant in ALL areas...

73. Go for the sense of inner joy and peace then all outside things appear

74. We are the creators of our universe

75. Relationships: Treat yourself the way you want to be treated by others .. love yourself and you will be loved

76. Healthy respect for yourself

77. For those you work with or interact with regularly .. get a notebook and write down positive aspects of each of those people.

78. Write down the things you like most about them (don't expect change from them). Law of attraction will not put you in the same space together if you frequencies don't match

79. When you realize your potential to feel good, you will ask no one to be different in order for you to feel good.

80. You will free yourself from the cumbersome impossibilities of needing to control the world, your friends, your mate, your children....

81. You are the only one that creates your reality

82. No one else can think or feel for you .. its YOU .. ONLY YOU.

83. Health: thank the universe for your own healing. Laugh, stress free happiness will keep you healthy.

84. Immune system will heal itself

85. Parts of our bodies are replace every day, every week..etc... Within a few years we have a brand new body

86. See yourself living in a new body. Hopeful = recovery. Happy = happier biochemistry. Stress degrades the bod.

87. Remove stress from the body and the body regenerates itself. You can heal yourself

88. Learn to become still .. and take your attention away from what you don't want, and place your attention on what you wish to experience

89. When the voice and vision on the inside become more profound and clear than the opinions on the outside, then you have mastered your life

90. You are not here to try to get the world to be just as you want it. You are here to create the world around you that you choose.

91. And allow the world as others choose to see it, exist as well

92. People think that if everyone knows the power of the LOA there won't be enough to go around .. This is a lie that's been ingrained in us and makes so many greedy.

93. The truth is there is more than enough love, creative ideas, power, joy, happiness to go around.

94. All of this abundance begins to shine through a mind that is aware of it's own infinite nature. There's enough for everyone. See it. Believe it. it will show up for you.

95. So let the variety of your reality thrill you as you choose all the things you want.. get behind the good feelings of all your wants.

96. Write your script. When you see things you don't want, don't think about them, write about them, talk about them, push against them, or join groups that focus on the don't wants... remove your attention from don't wants.. and place them on do wants

97. We are mass energy. Everything is energy. EVERYTHING.

98. Don't define yourself by your body .. it's the infinite being that's connected to everything in the universe.

99. One energy field. Our bodies have distracted us from our energy. We are the infinite field of unfolding possibilities. The creative force.

100. Are your thoughts worthy of you? If not - NOW is the time to change them. You can begin right were you are right now. Nothing matters but this moment and what you are focusing your attention on.

ordinaryguy
Apr 7, 2007, 08:37 PM
Not to be a grinch about it, but this does have a dark side to it. What does it mean if a tornado takes away your house with your children in it, or a tsunami hits your beach or a hurricane hits your city, or a loved one is gravely injured or dies in a terrible accident, or is diagnosed with a gruesome and disabling illness, or any other of the million tragedies that flesh is heir to? If we're not very careful, all this happy talk about creating your own reality can turn to blaming the victim for secretly harboring negative thoughts that manifest as tragedy. If the tragedy happens to us, we may feel guilty for bringing it on ourselves; if it happens to others, we may feel smug and superior. Here's a link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/06/AR2007040601819.html?hpid=opinionsbox2) to a review of "The Secret" that makes the point more eloquently than I can.

For myself, I do see the importance of having an optomistic outlook, not continually dwelling on negative or morbid thoughts, looking for the silver lining, and all the rest of it. But all of that has to do with internal attitude, not external events and circumstances. As soon as we make the leap to believing that our positive thoughts will prevent any bad or tragic events from happening to us, we're setting ourselves up for some hard lessons. Our true character is revealed more by how we handle life's inevitable losses than how we deal with success and good fortune. Sure, success and plenty is more fun, but failure and loss may be more revealing, and ultimately more valuable. The real trick is to know and act from the highest center of our being that is serene, secure and unmoved by either success or failure, triumph or tragedy.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 03:26 AM
I have only read about The Secret on the net.

I read a much better book back in my twenties which I believe the others to be based on. It comes in twenty-four parts and you are advised to read one part a week and give your brain time to digest the information.

I agree that it is like a kind of brain washing and not for everyone. But if you, like me, had had an awful abusive childhood with no real guidance, it is a wonderful tool for getting us broken people back on track.

I personally think a warning should come with The Secret. I think one does with The Masterkey -

Free Ebook - The Master Key System
PsiTek - The Master Key System - FREE (http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTMKSContents.html)

I swear by this book.

I have hesitated getting the other one, I don't really know why except to say that I don't trust it.

The list above was from the web and I thought it might be interesting to add it to this thread. This is not to say that I agree with the whole list.

I also agree with you about the meaning and the result of taking responsibility for our own lives. In doing so we accept responsibility for everything that happens to us - to Us - not anyone else. We each need to take responsibility for our own life, and the fact that we are what we think, and we get what we think we are going to get.

I believe the whole point if the matter is that we are just becoming awake to this fact and yes there will be a lot of blaming and victims but not once we get the full grasp of what The Law Of Attraction means.

All that we feel responsible for now won't be here for us to worry about once we get the hang of creating our own reality.

I’m happy to discuss this some more.

It is rather a difficult concept to get our heads around.

In the end, we all have our own beliefs and rightly so. But we can discuss and share other’s beliefs without taking them onboard.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 03:47 AM
"They all endorse a book, with its clever "Da Vinci Code"-like cover, that presents the law of attraction as the ultimate shortcut to success and the American dream. Anyone who wants it badly enough can be a millionaire, the president, even an American Idol."

This is where The Secret lets itself down. Makes it sound like another 'How To Get Rich Quick' book.

This is such a shame because it hides the real meaning of The Law Of Attraction. And it is not about getting rich. It is about realising that you are getting everything you think about, dwell on, on a subconscious level. Your worries and your fears. Worry about debt and you get more debt, worry about your house catching fire and your house catches fire. Then you say, "I knew that was going to happen."

Forget about getting rich. And, instead, begin to cultivate positive thinking.

The quality of your life will depend on the quality of your thoughts.

People are just beginning to realise that they can control their thoughts. And the next step is to think about what you want not what you don't want.

PLAN to see the best in everyone you meet. PLAN a positive future. PLAN to live forever!

We are done with 'Go with the flow'. It is time to create a plan for your life. A beautiful blueprint for your future.

You are getting what you think about the most. Try a few little experiments - think of something you want, something small and quite obtainable. You can get to the bigger stuff as your confidence in this grows.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 05:35 AM
"Still worse is the insidious flip side of Byrne's philosophy: If bad things happen to you, it's all your fault. As surely as your thoughts bring health, wealth and love, they are also responsible for any illness, poverty or misery that comes your way."


It's not about fault. There is no fault you can only be at fault if you knew you were doing wrong. Most don't know or even understand how this works, therefore, they are not at fault.



"That isn't just implied, it's spelled out: "The only reason why people do not have what they want is because they are thinking more about what they don't want than what they do want." By this logic, Holocaust victims brought it on themselves, as did those who lost their homes in Hurricane Katrina. Come on, New Orleans, get over it! Think positive!"

This is a very good point. But it can be true without being their fault.

Jesus on the cross said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

I know this has nothing to do with Jesus but that statement rings true for all of us in the context of The Masterkey (perhaps not The Secret) - which was banned by the catholic church back in 1700s because I suspect they also thought the information would be dangerous in the wrong hands - But we must also forgive ourselves.


"For a few weeks, I joked with customers about this nonsense. One evening, I was talking to a regular who said she had come in to buy "The Secret" to "see what the fuss is about." A problem with the book, we agreed, is that it says nothing about old-fashioned luck. We hit on the word at the same time and laughed. But after she left, I took a closer look, and all at once the book's blame-the-victim philosophy didn't seem so funny."

I don't believe in 'luck' or 'accident' or 'coincidence' - Can't explain it. Just know that there is a reason for everything. And that reason lies in what we think about the most.


"Not even "Saturday Night Live," taking a poke at "The Secret's" finger-pointing fallacies, could make it so. One recent weekend, the show featured a skit about a man in Darfur being interviewed by Winfrey and Byrne. They scolded him when he lamented that his people were starving, saying it was all the result of his lousy attitude. That was played for laughs, but later that week I watched Bob Proctor, author of "You Were Born Rich" and one of the "gurus" Byrne quotes most often, being asked on "Nightline" whether the starving children of Darfur had "manifested" -- that is, visualized -- their own misery. In utter seriousness, he replied, "I think the country probably has.""

This may sound completely bazaar but did your mother ever tell you to eat all your food because you didn't know how lucky you are because there are people starving in Africa?

As well as creating our own reality, we need to be aware of how that effects other people.

Sorry, I know how bazaar this is all sounding.

I used to complain, when I was tired after doing shopping, "Oh, my back is killing me." I suffered for three years with a serious back problem until I decided to stop saying that. When I got frustrated with my children's demands I used to say, "You are a pain in the neck." I suffered with neck pain for a while until I decided to stop saying that. I just don't know how else to explain it. I always find a parking space, I always have a green light. My whole life is so much easier. I didn't deal too well with stress, I actually got a pain in my chest when I felt harassed. Now I simply sit back knowing everything is happening for a reason and any changes that happen ARE for the best.

"Imperfect thoughts are the cause of humanity's ills."

It's more a case of negative and positive thoughts. Not imperfections. Some of the terminology is unfortunate. Positive is good but this doesn't mean that negative is bad. Negative is not bad it simply draws our attention to things we should deal with. If we ignore these things what we get are negative results and those could be harmful.



"Poverty? "The only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them with their thoughts.""

There isn't only one reason why people are not getting money. I don't want money. I have had money. I am one of those strange people who would give money away. Money doesn't mean anything to me beyond keeping a roof over my head and food in my fridge. I want more. I want to feel good about myself. I want to believe that there is more to life than living and dying. I'm not religious because religion only goes so far - I have read The Masterkey and I have read The Bible. Now what? Where do I go from here. I want to know who and what I am. I want to know why I am here and where I am going when I'm done here.

Who really needs money when you can think about what you want and have it - money is the middle man, cut out the middle man. Learn about The Law Of Attrition.


"Illness? "You cannot 'catch' anything unless you think you can. . . . You are also inviting illness if you are listening to people talking about their illness." So . . . got any sick friends who need a shoulder to cry on? Tell 'em to bug off! As for Elizabeth Edwards -- how selfish is she? By making people think about her cancer, she's basically giving them the disease."

There is no need to tell sick people to 'bug off' once you understand the law of attraction - learn to attract only that which you so desire.


"The law of attraction "is not the answer to everything. It is not the answer to atrocities or every tragedy. It is just one law. Not the only law. And certainly, certainly, certainly not a get-rich-quick scheme." - Winfrey

I'll go along with that. There is a whole lot more to it. We need to forget about getting rich and simply think about improving the quality of our lives and life on this planet.

Just some thoughts of mine.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 05:36 AM
A story -

This Easter weekend I had two little grandsons coming over to stay. They bring their movies and their game consoles with them. I have one TV on which I only watch DVDs and videos, I don't watch TV. There is a spare TV in the bedroom on which the kids watch their movies and play their games. I like them to play quietly as I have an elderly neighbour in the flat below me. On Friday one TV conked out, nothing, dead. I brought the other one into the sitting room, thought I'd put it back when the kids came over later. The picture began to flicker. They are or were quite old but of all the weekend for them to breakdown. Now what do I do with two little kids who loved their movies and their games.. . And just for the record yes I had been thinking I need to get a new TV there not going to last much longer - wrong I know, I should have been more positive.. . Anyway, just as the kids are arriving on Friday evening, being helped up the stairs with their stuff by mum and dad, my next door neighbour opened his door and said, "Do you have any use for a TV?! I have one going spare and just thought the kids might like it."

ordinaryguy
Apr 8, 2007, 05:41 AM
It is about realising that you are getting everything you think about, dwell on, on a subconscious level. Your worries and your fears. Worry about debt and you get more debt, worry about your house catching fire and your house catches fire. Then you say, "I knew that was going to happen."
More debt is the result of spending more than you take in. If you stop worrying but keep spending, debt will still grow. And what if you DON'T worry about your house catching fire but it DOES catch fire? Whose thoughts caused that to happen?


Forget about getting rich. And, instead, begin to cultivate positive thinking.

The quality of your life will depend on the quality of your thoughts.
This I agree with wholeheartedly. But the quality of your life does NOT depend on getting what you want and having good things rather than bad things happen to you. High-quality thoughts are what allow us to endure even the bad things in life with equanimity.


People are just beginning to realise that they can control their thoughts. And the next step is to think about what you want not what you don't want.

PLAN to see the best in everyone you meet. PLAN a positive future. PLAN to live forever!

We are done with 'Go with the flow'. It is time to create a plan for your life. A beautiful blueprint for your future.

You are getting what you think about the most. Try a few little experiments - think of something you want, something small and quite obtainable. You can get to the bigger stuff as your confidence in this grows.
I just don't see it as having much to do with wanting and getting. The physical world (which includes our body and our brain) is a wild and dangerous place. No one gets out alive and without some measure of loss, suffering and disappointment. To pretend otherwise is just delusional. The power of positive thinking is the power to rise above the physical world and make something beautiful and meaningful and satisfying out of even the bad events and circumstances that bedevil us. It is not the power to prevent all the bad things and cause only good things to happen.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 05:57 AM
ordinaryguy,

Hi! Don't you just love a good debate? Lol

Thanks for sharing.

I don't always agree with this stuff. But then something will happen to bring me back to it again and again.

I am just now re-reading The Masterkey System. I think that's what has sparked this all off again.

I don't usually discuss my views about it but when a thread or a post hits on it, I'm right in there. Lol

Please don't let anything I say bother you. I'm still searching for answers myself. And my curiosity is enormous where this subject is concerned.

I enjoy reading your take on things and I enjoyed reading from the link you left.

I'm quite open minded and don't mind my views and opinions being stirred up on occasion, keeps me from getting too set in my ways.

Happy to hear about any thoughts you may have on this topic.

May I ask if you have read The Masterkey or The Secret?

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 06:44 AM
Made a mistake posted twice. Sorry.

Bluerose
Apr 8, 2007, 06:46 AM
You have my permission to take this with a pinch of salt.

"More debt is the result of spending more than you take in. If you stop worrying but keep spending, debt will still grow."

No. Think about being debt free and the Universe sets in motion whatever it will take to get you out of debt - You begin to spend less!

"And what if you DON'T worry about your house catching fire but it DOES catch fire? Whose thoughts caused that to happen?"

A jealous neighbour? Another reason why it is important to get on with other people. Seriously.

"I just don't see it as having much to do with wanting and getting."

I agree. Just words. It is more to do with what we think about and worry about the most.

"No one gets out alive and without some measure of loss, suffering and disappointment."

True. But what we are becoming aware of is that in the past people used to just accept these things as 'just the way life is'. Today we have so much more choice. We learn to counter-act rather than react. We know if we don't do what we can some situations will only get worse. I think it's more about dealing with what comes as positively as we can. Doesn't mean bad stuff will just go away. We still have to contend with what other people think of us.

"The power of positive thinking is the power to rise above the physical world and make something beautiful and meaningful and satisfying out of even the bad events and circumstances that bedevil us."

True.

ordinaryguy
Apr 8, 2007, 08:16 PM
Bluerose--

Yes. I do enjoy a good debate, especially with someone like you who can do it without getting all ego-threatened.

I guess for me the central issue is whether thoughts (or prayer, or God, or "The Universe") CAUSE things to happen in the physical world. More specifically, whether EVERYTHING that happens in the physical world is caused by some sentient being's thought, whether consciously or unconsciously. Honestly, I doubt it. For example, the movement of tectonic plates causes an earthquake that causes a tsunami. I really don't see much of a role for thoughts in that chain of events. But then there's the discarded cigarette butt that starts a forest fire. In that case, a thought-less act is at least part of the cause, aided by dry conditions and a strong enough wind from the right direction. But if a lightning strike starts the fire, then we're back to a thought-free cause.

I guess I'm somewhat more comfortable with the idea of influence than cause. What I mean is that there may be many influences, including but not limited to the thoughts of one or more persons, that combine to bring events to fruition. This could explain why each person's individual thoughts don't usually manifest immediately as events.

It also seems to me that there's a distinction to be made between the cause of an event and the reason for it. You mentioned that you believe that "everything happens for a reason". I'm not so sure I do, but maybe I don't really understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that every event in the physical world is initiated by the thought or will of a conscious being with a specific purpose or goal in mind? Or maybe do you mean that we humans can MAKE meaning (a reason) out of events that are caused by the impersonal working of the laws of physics, without help from anybody's thoughts?

I find myself ambivalent bordering on dismissive of a lot of the new-agey pseudo-religious happy talk about such things. On the other hand, a strictly mechanistic 19th century scientific view of the world doesn't fit too comfortably either. There does seem to be a lot more going on here than meets the eye, and a certain measure of humility and tentativeness is called for in all attempts to explain the interconnections between mind, energy and matter, it seems to me.

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 04:10 AM
This is a paragraph from The Master key -

It might help you to understand what I am going on about.


"Recognition is a mental process, mental action is therefore the interaction of the individual upon the Universal Mind, and as the Universal Mind is the intelligence which pervades all space and animates all living things, this mental action and reaction is the law of causation, but the principle of causation does not obtain in the individual but in the Universal Mind. It is not an objective faculty but a subjective process, and the results are seen in an infinite variety of conditions and experiences."

But all said and done, what I believe is that we all create our own reality from the thoughts we entertain.

Therefore, what we are discussing and comparing is your reality and my reality and they are very different. Not wrong just different.

Truth? A tough start in life left me searching for a way to survive. I haunted book stores and libraries. Then I found The Masterkey. It appealed to me a lot, I didn't take much of it in to begin with but returned to it again and again over the years.

I think you would have to read it for this discussion to continue. And perhaps you might like to recommend a book from your reality.


"Charles F. Haanel (1866-1949) Born in Ann Arbor, Michigan was a noted American author and a businessman. He had owned several major companies and was a self made success in his time. He was president of the Continental Commercial Company he is also president of the Sacramento Valley Improvement Company and president of the Mexico Gold & Silver Mining Company. He is best known for his book The Master Key System that covers everything from how to get wealthy to how to get healthy. By 1933 The Master Key System had sold over 200,000 copies worldwide."


What are your thoughts on this?

"All your life, they've taught you how to be the wise man .... But, what if they've been wrong? What if it's the fool who gets everything they want!"

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 04:18 AM
And finally, one last piece of information about the author -


Long before Anthony Robbins, there was Charles F Haanel...

The Master Key System is simply one of the finest studies in personal power, metaphysics, and prosperity consciousness ever written.

Covering everything from how to create abundance and wealth to how to get healthy, Charles F Haanel leaves no stone unturned. With precision, he elucidates on each topic with logic and rigor that not only leaves you feeling good, but also thinking good. The book was banned by the Church in 1933 and has been hidden away for decades.

Rumor has it that while he was attending Harvard University, Bill Gates discovered and read The Master Key System. It was this book that inspired Bill Gates to drop out of the University and pursue his dream of "a computer on every desktop." You probably know the results. . .

It is Silicon Valley's secret that almost every entrepreneur who made a fortune in recent years did so by studying the words Mr. Haanel penned over eighty years ago! Almost every millionaire and billionaire in the Valley read The Master Key System by Charles F. Haanel. Since this book was no longer in print until recently, copies of The Master Key System became a hot commodity in the Valley.

The book has even recently been linked with the TV event known as "The Secret".

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 04:26 AM
I posted this earlier. I put the wrong date. Don't want to cause any confusion.

"I know this has nothing to do with Jesus but that statement rings true for all of us in the context of The Masterkey (perhaps not The Secret) - which was banned by the catholic church back in 1700s because I suspect they also thought the information would be dangerous in the wrong hands - But we must also forgive ourselves."

The Masterkey Systen was actally banned by the catholic church back in 1933.

Sorry.

ordinaryguy
Apr 9, 2007, 06:13 AM
This is a paragraph from The Master key -

It might help you to understand what I am going on about.


"Recognition is a mental process, mental action is therefore the interaction of the individual upon the Universal Mind, and as the Universal Mind is the intelligence which pervades all space and animates all living things, this mental action and reaction is the law of causation, but the principle of causation does not obtain in the individual but in the Universal Mind. It is not an objective faculty but a subjective process, and the results are seen in an infinite variety of conditions and experiences."
I went to the PsiTek link that you provided and read the Introduction, the Foreword, Part One and the associated Study Questions. As far as I can tell, it is an adaptation and modernized restatement of the principles of Kabbalah, the mystical tradition within Jewish culture and thought. I very much respect and agree with the basic ideas involved, though I do think Haanel tends to oversimplify and oversell them somewhat. I've signed up for the weekly email installments of the lessons, so we'll see how that goes.



But all said and done, what I believe is that we all create our own reality from the thoughts we entertain.

Therefore, what we are discussing and comparing is your reality and my reality and they are very different. Not wrong just different.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "reality". If you mean the outer world of events and circumstances, then I would say we all inhabit the same one, (allowing for differences of time and place of course). If you mean the inner interpretation and meaning we each ascribe to these events and circumstances, then each person's "reality" is different.



Truth? A tough start in life left me searching for a way to survive. I haunted book stores and libraries. Then I found The Masterkey. It appealed to me a lot, I didn't take much of it in to begin with but returned to it again and again over the years.

I think you would have to read it for this discussion to continue.
I certainly hope not. Surely we can discuss ideas without it becoming a referendum on the relative virtue of particular expressions of those ideas.



And perhaps you might like to recommend a book from your reality.
OK. Here's one. The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment - Thaddeus Golas (http://www.aa12steps.com/enlightenment.html)
About the author: Thaddeus Golas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_Golas)



What are your thoughts on this?

"All your life, they've taught you how to be the wise man .... But, what if they've been wrong? What if it's the fool who gets everything they want!"
I think anybody who goes through life getting what they want will find in the end that they have indeed been a fool.

NeedKarma
Apr 9, 2007, 06:29 AM
I've never had a need or want for all these self-help books or systems. I really don't get it to be honest. Life isn't that complicated: take responsibility for your own actions, have something resembling of a five year plan that gets updated continuously, live within your means (learn good basic finance early in life), hang with nice people and avoid the toxic ones. Find out what you like to do and find a way to get paid to do it. Life is what you make it.

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 07:02 AM
NeedKarma,

Have you always known that life is that simple?

I only started to live when I was twenty. I had a lot of catching up to do and Self-Help books played a big part in that. I had two little children whom I didn't want to suffer because I grew up hating the world and his wife. So I am happy to say that I had at least enough sense to look for what I felt I needed from people who had coped with and survived what I was now struggling to come to terms with.

Some people are just born lucky and I think you must have been one of those.

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 07:28 AM
ordinaryguy,

"As far as I can tell, it is an adaptation and modernized restatement of the principles of Kabbalah, the mystical tradition within Jewish culture and thought."

Don't know anything about that therefore can't comment.

"I very much respect and agree with the basic ideas involved, though I do think Haanel tends to oversimplify and oversell them somewhat."

I'm glad he did oversimplify or I might not have been able to understand it. And the oversell is more in the way of repetition in order to get the message through. As in the way we use affirmations.

"I've signed up for the weekly email instalments of the lessons, so we'll see how that goes."

Good. And thank you for that book link I will read it later.

"I suppose it depends on what you mean by "reality". If you mean the outer world of events and circumstances, then I would say we all inhabit the same one, (allowing for differences of time and place of course). If you mean the inner interpretation and meaning we each ascribe to these events and circumstances, then each person's "reality" is different."

This is a hard one. I think it begins with the world within but reflects in the world without. And since it comes down to what I am thinking, I am thinking and trying to be positive about the things around me. Sounds rather selfish but I'm still figuring it out. I go along with.... That if we all improve the quality of our own life then that will improve the quality of Life in general.

Like everyone being willing to clean their own doorstep makes for a nicer neighbourhood.

"..for the discussion to continue.."

Don't take that the wrong way. I just meant to continue to discuss it we should have some idea of where we are each coming from.

"I think anybody who goes through life getting what they want will find in the end that they have indeed been a fool."

It's not about getting everything we want. It's more about getting EVERYTHING we think about, good and bad, positive and negative. And what we are trying to do is get more positive than negative things.

Hope that makes sense.

NeedKarma
Apr 9, 2007, 11:56 AM
Some people are just born lucky and I think you must have been one of those.The more I read the posts on this web site the more I tend to agree with you here.
BTW, I'm 45, married, 2 young children, so yes, I've lived a little. :)

Bluerose
Apr 9, 2007, 01:17 PM
NeedKarma,

"The more I read the posts on this web site the more I tend to agree with you here."

I hear you. But for me it's like I come from the opposite direction. When I read some of the posts here I struggle to be sympathetic sometimes. I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. But I wish all I had to worry about back then was some guy cheating on me.


".. Life isn't that complicated: take responsibility for your own actions, have something resembling of a five year plan that gets updated continuously, live within your means (learn good basic finance early in life), hang with nice people and avoid the toxic ones. Find out what you like to do and find a way to get paid to do it. Life is what you make it."

I guess that's what I was aiming for. Been a bit of a tough road though.

How old are your children?

kaitou
Apr 11, 2007, 08:05 PM
When this post was first made I didn't understand it. But a recent event has made me understand it a little.

In the past 4 months I have became close friend with this girl that I knew from high school. We always knew each other. I know that she's a nice person, and she knew the same about me. But we never became friends, because we only had 2 classes together through out the 4 years of high school. I was also not at school much, because well let's just say that it wasn't one of my best experiences in life.

So after we graduated from high school, we would occasionally say random messages to each other on msn, but we never actually have a conversation. Then 2 years after graduation, one day we started talking over msn. And the next thing I know we became close friends that hang out every weekend LOL..

It turns out that she lived only 2 minutes driving distance away from me.. and our personality really matched. I can't believe she's as weird as I am.

I'm still really surprise that we're good friends now, but I'm really grateful that it happened.

runbaker
Apr 13, 2007, 01:08 AM
The Secret Scam - A Word Of Caution.

Just a word of caution:

1) There have been many sites popping up that are selling illegal (bootleg) copies of the secret for as little as $5. People are encouraged to avoid these sites because selling bootleg DVDs is just like stealing and based on the Law Of Attraction, you don't want to participate in that type of energy. The best places to buy the DVD is from the official site (Law of Attraction :: The Secret :: Official Web Site of The Secret Movie (http://www.thesecret.tv)) or from one of the teachers. The DVDs are only $25

2) Other people reported that there was a pyramid scam selling 'gratitude rocks' as well, but fortunately these sites were shut down. Please don't get this confused with the actual secret seminar site: The Official Secret Seminar (http://www.TheSecretSeminarUSA.com).

granmaboat
Jan 19, 2008, 11:51 AM
I can tell you that a great deal more goes on that is not usually seen or heard or noticed at all for many people... Additionally it helps to realise how reality is co-authored by everyone... Its important to get good at recognising that if you choose X, that Y and Z come with it... and no one is capable of bending those rules anymore than they can suspend gravity or breathe underwater unaided.

Nothing in our lives happens by coincidence or by chance--nothing.This is the lesson so many young people don't seem to be getting. Cause and effect.Consiquence of action. Everything we do or say effects not only us but others, even when we don't want it to. Only through self-control can we hope to innitate chang, and we can only change the vibration,the degree, how we re-act, not the mode. Hot and cold are the poles, or extrems of temperature. But who is to say where one begins and the other ends. You can't change the rules but you can use them.

granmaboat
Jan 19, 2008, 11:58 AM
Smile and the world smiles with you,
Weep and you weep alone
The sad old earth must borrow it's mirth
It has troubles enough of its own.

Don't know who wrote this.

chuff
Mar 8, 2008, 08:55 PM
""LivingtheLifeinFLA disagrees: coinsidence"

Not what the disagree box is for, let's introduce ourselves by you reading the rules of the site. I'm glad to be back, and you'll be glad to have me.