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danielwasher
Apr 1, 2012, 05:41 AM
I am 5-8 190 pounds 44 years old I drank a fith on Tuesday then on Thursday
I drank a pint both 40 proof vodka I stopped at around 3:00pm on Thursday today is Sunday its 7:30 is it out of my urine

They sent my urine to a lab will alcohol show up in the urin test I drank a fith of vodka on Wednesday 28 th then I drank a pint on Thursday 29th I was done drinking at 3:00pm I am 5-8 190 pounds 44 years old also the vodka was 80 proof I took the test Sunday the 1st at 7:30

Fr_Chuck
Apr 1, 2012, 06:15 AM
Posts merged

danielwasher
Apr 2, 2012, 05:27 PM
Ok I drank thusday morning stopped before noon about a fith any way I drank gallons of water Friday and Saturday Sunday morning they had I surprise urine test then they sent it to the lab am I in trouble

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 10:06 AM
Add water to the cup then pee in it a little sent to a lab will it come back positive for alcohol

Fr_Chuck
Apr 23, 2012, 10:19 AM
It will fail because of the water added to it, they will see you voided the test.
** that is worst normally than failing the test on your own. Not only do you fail but you committed fraud in doing so

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 10:29 AM
it will fail because of the water added to it, they will see you voided the test.
** that is worst normally than failing the test on your own. Not only do you fail but you committed fraud in doing so what do you mean it will fail there was someone right there watching me they never saw the water will it test positive for alcohol

Fr_Chuck
Apr 23, 2012, 10:31 AM
It will test that there was water added. Water is not urine. Temp of water is not the same, adding water will just automatically fail the test and show that you committed a fraud taking the test.

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 10:54 AM
It will test that there was water added. water is not urine. Temp of water is not the same, adding water will just automaticly fail the test and show that you committed a fraud taking the test. by the time it got to the lab it was well mixed up plus they mailed it to the lab fedx

Fr_Chuck
Apr 23, 2012, 11:17 AM
Does not work like that, water is still water, water is not urine and it will show up.

Wondergirl
Apr 23, 2012, 11:18 AM
And the water does not dilute the urine to keep the alcohol from showing up. It's only a mixture, like mixing applesauce and peanut butter. Both can be separated out again.

JudyKayTee
Apr 23, 2012, 11:32 AM
by the time it got to the lab it was well mixed up plus they mailed it to the lab fedx


If you want to argue, do that with your friends. If you want legal advice: water will test when the sample is run. You cannot mix urine and water without it showing up in the test results. The test will show what has passed through your kidneys and what has not.

And on a sarcastic note - you don't think anyone has ever thought of this before? The joke is "why is his urine blue?" "Because he didn't remove the toilet deodorizer before he scooped the toilet water into the test tube."

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 12:29 PM
Took a urine test was able to fill the container with some water and some urine it was then sent to the lab by fedx well it show positive for alcohol and how long will it take before I find out

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 02:15 PM
If you want to argue, do that with your friends. If you want legal advice: water will test when the sample is run. You cannot mix urine and water without it showing up in the test results. The test will show what has passed through your kidneys and what has not.

And on a sarcastic note - you don't think anyone has ever thought of this before? The joke is "why is his urine blue?" "Because he didn't remove the toilet deodorizer before he scooped the toilet water into the test tube."

OK thank you

DrBill100
Apr 23, 2012, 02:27 PM
Are you indicating that you added water to the sample? If so how much in proportion to the urine would you estimate?

ADDED: Any substantial addition of water would not remove the alcohol but would dilute it. Dilution is automatically tested for by checking specific gravity and creatinine.

Your sample will be returned as untestable, diluted or possibly substituted based on the two factors noted above.

The sample should have been checked for temperature at point of collection. Did no one check that?

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 02:44 PM
Are you indicating that you added water to the sample? If so how much in proportion to the urine would you estimate?

1/4 water

DrBill100
Apr 23, 2012, 02:47 PM
1/4 water

It will certainly be dilute and rejected.

Can't imagine that much water not dropping temperature below acceptable range at point of collection.

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 02:48 PM
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DrBill100
Apr 23, 2012, 02:59 PM
Usually not but on request it can be tested and then returned as positive but dilute or negative but dilute (with that much water). Either way the results should be negated.

How much alcohol did you drink?

This is an amazing story. Someone watching yet able to add water, no temperature check, the coloration of the urine should have been checked. The sample should have been rejected on-site.

Was this a collection center... who's doing this test.

Fr_Chuck
Apr 23, 2012, 03:14 PM
Thank you Dr Bill, he was not believing me in the other post. He just knew that water diluted it, I told him adding water would fail the test ( show up that water was added) and be worst from the PO side than just failing the test since it showed he cheated the test.

Also he does not realise there is a safe guard at the point of testing that will indicate if the temp is not correct for urine in the body

I will say that at many collection points the person watching feels self cosciense about watching and often do not watch as close as they should.

Most people are smart enough to know that diluting it does not work and try to use someone else's urine which is why the temp issue is always watched.

danielwasher
Apr 23, 2012, 03:24 PM
Thank you Dr Bill, he was not believing me in the other post. He just knew that water diluted it, I told him adding water would fail the test ( show up that water was added) and be worst from the PO side than just failing the test since it showed he cheated the test.

Also he does not realise there is a safe guard at the point of testing that will indicate if the temp is not correct for urine in the body

I will say that at many collection points the person watching feels self cosciense about watching and often do not watch as close as they should.

Most people are smart enough to know that diluting it does not work and try to use someone elses urine which is why the temp issue is always watched. I never said I didn't believe you I even thanked you he contacted me with his appionin thank you both

Wondergirl
Apr 23, 2012, 03:27 PM
i never said i didnt believe you i even thanked you he contacted me with his appionin thank you both
He didn't contact you. You started a new thread.

DrBill100
Apr 23, 2012, 04:03 PM
Thank you Dr Bill, he was not believing me in the other post. He just knew that water diluted it, I told him adding water would fail the test ( show up that water was added) and be worst from the PO side than just failing the test since it showed he cheated the test.

Also he does not realise there is a safe guard at the point of testing that will indicate if the temp is not correct for urine in the body

I will say that at many collection points the person watching feels self cosciense about watching and often do not watch as close as they should.

Most people are smart enough to know that diluting it does not work and try to use someone elses urine which is why the temp issue is always watched.

I am very skeptical of the commercial drug testing industry and little surprises me but this was an observed collection where the subject had access to water, and temperature must be taken immediately at time of provision and most of the required transport containers furnished by the lab have a built in temp-check, the sample should be visually checked for color. All of this should be accomplished before the sealant ID strip is applied to the shipment container.

An observed collection that is found to be dilute or substituted or even adulterated would seem unenforceable. Usually the observation is based on suspicion and occurs only following an un-testable sample (re-test).

Up to the point of shipment all of the safeguards failed or were ignored.

If the proceeding follows the preceding my guess is that nothing will come of this as no sooner than the sample arrives at the lab one of the techs will spill it on the floor before it ever gets to the analyzer.

Fr_Chuck
Apr 23, 2012, 04:31 PM
I will be honest I have done a urine test many time for various jobs and the such, and in most cases there were suppose to observe, but not once was it ever done properly. Often they had me go into a bathroom, leave the door cracked and told me not to run any water till I handed them the container. And that was about the most watched it ever got.
I know in the PO office I worked at, seldom did they stand and watch it being done. I never had to personally take any, most of my job was locating some of the ones who did not come in.

DrBill100
Apr 23, 2012, 04:51 PM
I will be honest I have done a urine test many time for various jobs and the such, and in most cases there were suppose to observe, but not once was it ever done properly. often they had me go into a bathroom, leave the door cracked and told me not to run any water till I handed them the container. And that was about the most watched it ever got.
I know in the PO office I worked at, seldom did they stand and watch it being done. I never had to personally take any, most of my job was locating some of the ones who did not come in.

Perhaps that is what he was referring to. When an observed collection is ordered it requires that the individual remain in full view during the provision of same. That is that the observer would be in the room with the subject, physically hand them the container and recover it immediately on completion. That procedure is unusual and is generally ordered as part of a re-test resulting from a dilute, substituted or adulterated finding on the original. Otherwise avoided.

Perhaps I was assuming the strict interpretation whereas he was referring to the fact that someone was nearby and not really a direct observation.

Still leaves unexplained the temp-check. The sample should never have left the collection point.

danielwasher
Apr 25, 2012, 02:28 PM
I added water to my urine it was sent to the lab to be tested it came back positive can they check it again and tell what alcohol was drank

DrBill100
Apr 25, 2012, 03:42 PM
i added water to my urine it was sent to the lab to be tested it came back positive can they check it again and tell what alcohol was drank

No. They detect ethanol which is common to all beverages.

danielwasher
Apr 25, 2012, 03:46 PM
No. They detect ethanol which is common to all beverages. but they can tell if it was wine or vodka or ken they

DrBill100
Apr 25, 2012, 04:03 PM
but they can tell if it was wine or vodka or ken they

No. That isn't done.

danielwasher
Apr 25, 2012, 04:08 PM
no. That isn't done. thank you