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iiheartloserrrs
Feb 20, 2007, 05:48 PM
so I just got out of jail on a BAIL for my 3rd DUI in less then 1 1/2 year! I'm only 20 years old and I haven't even gone to court and got my charges for my 2nd DUI yet? And I just got my 3rd DUI. I have court in 2 weeks from today and I'm scard! People are saying that I could end up spending time in PRISON? OK and YES I've learned a lesson yes I know after my 3rd DUI but this is the first time I got actully booked in jail =( it was horriable! I hated it! Well what do you think imma get charged with? I know I'm FU****!


UPDATED::

I know its not cool at all driving drunk and yes I know if I hurt someone while driving under the influence I would feel real worthless! I've been through a lot in life and I'm only 20 years old and yes I do have a 4 years old son! YES yell at me for my stupidity but I know its not my time to go cause I've tried so now I'm just living it! The first time that I got my DUI I was drunk, pissed, and angry. My friend demanded me to stay over that night but I was angry and was not trying to stay at her house so I stoled my keys from her and drove off. It was a 15 min. drive to my house and I blacked out all the way home and finally I crashed into a poll, I didn't hurt no one luckily! I finish my DUI class pay my fines. After a year I decided to drink at a co-workers party on Friday the 13th, I got wasted, my friends took my keys from me so I stayed the night at their house. The next morning I woke up still pretty much drunk but I took my keys from my friends pocket while he was sleeping and drove home. When I got home I got into a argument with my little sister and I punched her in the mouth! I was shocked to see her crying and blood running down her mouth. I never ever had hit my little sis like that ever because we were always getting along and never had to fight like that ever but I guess I was still drunk from the night before and the anger had came out! I was shocked that I hit her and I felt REALLY bad, you don't even understand? Well I thought ill drive off to cool myself down but as I was driving I was cring also at the fact that I had just hit my little sis! I felt real bad I wanted to hurt myself? Just to get me back for what I did to her! I blacked out again driving 20 minutes. North on the highway I got to a cliff where I thought maybe I can end this for good so I did! I went off a 200ft. Cliff... I guess like everyone said its not my time to go? I survived! Woke up in the hospital with only 8 staples on my knee. Still feeling really bad for what I did to my little sis! I guess you can say suicidal comes to my mind sometimes! After my accident I never touched a car until now! I only had 3 beers I was totally not drunk at all we were going up 2 blocks to DENNY'S and the cops pulled us over and said I was going to slow? I was going speed limit! I knew the cops were in back of me but I didn't think I was drunk so I didn't care if they were in back! I passed all the test except for the breathalizer test! Dame it! I knew I F***ed up for good this time and I knew I was going to get locked up for good this time too! Well I guess I deserve some jail time whatever but I rather be dead then do jail time cause my life sucks anyway! And don't feel sorry either!



UPDATE again::

Jesushelper76-- IM A GIRL dude!

excon-- YES I minus well kill myself before I kill anyone! Thanks

J_9--its OK don't "apologize" I am listening to what you are saying and I
understand what you had to go through when you had your family members
killed by a drunk driver! And I'm sorry for what happened!

valinors_sorrow--and yes I know some people don't know what
others do go through but I know I am wrong! I will get help! Thank you.

Nosnosna
Feb 20, 2007, 05:55 PM
You'll be lucky to get out with anything less than the maximum penalty (fine and possibly jail time and a suspended (or revoked) license for quite a while), and your car insurance is going to be extremely expensive for a long long time. Leniency is for your first offense... second and third show the court that you really don't care. What those penalties are will vary based on your state laws. I hope that they do lock you up for a few months... it's easy to say you've learned your lesson, but I doubt you have.

I highly recommend you stop drinking, permanently... you obviously don't have enough self-control to be drinking. Join AA if you have to.

shygrneyzs
Feb 20, 2007, 06:17 PM
You could also be sentenced for alcohol evaluation and classses to follow - which you pay for. Some states pull the license and you do not get that back until you have successfully complied with the eval and classes and you also pay to get your license back. Some states just plain pull your license.

Yes, you could have jail time, since this is your third offense in less than in 1 1/2 years. It depends how the court sees it. I have a second cousin who committed his fourth offense in two years and all he got was huge fines, driving privileges suspended for a year, community service of 300 hours. Which, when you think of it, hurts more than going to jail.

J_9
Feb 20, 2007, 06:28 PM
I know this is going to sound harsh. But you deserve prison. I would not want you behind the wheel driving down my street with my beautiful children, precious cargo, in the backseat just waiting to be hurt by someone who did not listen and learn the first time, or the second, or the third.

I adore my children and it is people who are repeat offenders like you who threaten to take the last breath of life out of my children.

So, you say you learned from being in jail and actually being booked. Well, let me tell you that being booked is nothing. Do you have any real idea what damage you could have caused by not learning the first time? So, get yourself into AA, now, before you go to court.

Again, I know I will get a bad rep for this one, but I don't care. Boo Hoo, you got busted once, and did nothing about it, got busted twice and did nothing about it. What are you going to do this time? Will you finally learn when a precious young life is taken because you decided to drink and drive?


So, now, suck it up and do what you are required to do. Don't risk taking the life of an innocent child. Accept the consequences of your actions.

Fr_Chuck
Feb 20, 2007, 06:47 PM
In many states you have required jail time, I believe 6 months to one year in our state

RichardBondMan
Feb 20, 2007, 07:09 PM
I am an insurance agent writing mostly nonstandard or high risk auto insurance and my company for whom I work exclusively for, will not accept a driver with more than one DUI during their entire lifetime. Companies vary in what risks they will take but you will be extremely limited in your choice of insurance companies. It is very possible that your only alternative is an assigned risk pool administered by the state in which you live. I did not check your profile to determine what your legal residence is but you can easily find out if there is such a pool for drivers such as yourself by checking with either the DMV or the Insurance Dept of your state. Also you can ask agents in your area. I know that you really didn't ask for an insurance answer but if you work, need to drive as most people do, then you need to consider what your limited insurance alternatives are.

JoeCanada76
Feb 20, 2007, 07:13 PM
You did not learn from your lesson. If you did you would have not received the second or third dui. You deserve prison time. Hope you will learn before you end up killing somebody else or yourself.

J_9
Feb 20, 2007, 07:14 PM
RichardBondMan, isn't it true that some people don't care about insurance though? The old addage "it can't happen to me" or "I won't get caught" just rings a big bell here.

J_9
Feb 20, 2007, 07:22 PM
iiheartlooserrrs,

Please read this post (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/death-dying/loss-teenage-son-64768.html). Is this something you want to do to another human being?

I apologize for going off on a tangent, but I have seen the accidents that happen because people were having "fun" I have seen the parents or the children in the ERs who have been told that they have lost someone.

Sometimes it takes a wake up call, apparently you have not had one yet. I offer you to come visit me in the ER so that you can see the damage that people who drink and drive create. After a night with me in the ER, I can guarantee that anyone who drinks and drives would get sick just looking at a liquor bottle much less having a drink.

I am sorry, but I am biased, I have a cousin who was killed by a drunk driver 22 years ago, he was almost 21. Then a good friend lost her son, he was 16 when he was killed on the way to babysit. The woman who was driving him asked him to hand her a beer, he said no, so she reached back to grab one, and BAM they hit a brick wall. Shane is dead, it took 21 days of agony for him to pass. He passed on his parent's anniversary, however the driver is perfectly fine to this day but she remembers nothing.

I guess I would do better by joining MAAD.

J_9
Feb 21, 2007, 05:59 AM
i know its not my time to go cause i've tried so now im just living it!!

It is rarely the drunk driver who dies in an accident. There are many medical reasons behind it, but the drunk driver rarely dies. It is the person who gets hit by the drunk driver that dies.

So, please, stop the excuses. There is never an excuse for drinking and driving, the only excuse would be stupididy, especially after you have already been caught once, then twice, to do it again is just...

Nosnosna
Feb 21, 2007, 06:11 AM
You don't deserve help. The only reason you deserve life is because your family doesn't deserve to suffer through your death.

I'm done with this. Have fun in jail.

JoeCanada76
Feb 21, 2007, 06:12 AM
so i just got out of jail on a BAIL for my 3rd DUI in less then 1 1/2 year!! im only 20 years old and i havent even gone to court and got my charges for my 2nd DUI yet?? and i just got my 3rd DUI. i have court in 2 weeks from today and im scard!! people are saying that i could end up spending time in PRISON?? ok and YES i've learned a lesson yes i know after my 3rd DUI but this is the first time i got actully booked in jail =( it was horriable!! i hated it!! well what do yall think imma get charged with?? i know im FU****!!


UPDATED::

i know its not cool at all driving drunk and yes i know if i hurt someone while driving under the influence i would feel real worthless!! i've been through a lot in life and im only 20 years old and yes i do have a 4 years old son!! YES go ahead and yell at me for my stupidity but i know its not my time to go cause i've tried so now im just living it!! the first time that i got my DUI i was drunk, pissed, and angry. my friend demanded me to stay over that night but i was angry and was not trying to stay at her house so i stoled my keys from her and drove off. it was a 15 min. drive to my house and i blacked out all the way home and finally i crashed into a poll, i didnt hurt no one luckily!! i finish my DUI class pay my fines. after a year i decided to drink at a co-workers party on friday the 13th, i got wasted, my friends took my keys from me so i stayed the night at their house. the next morning i woke up still pretty much drunk but i took my keys from my friends pocket while he was sleeping and drove home. when i got home i got into a argument with my little sister and i punched her in the mouth!! i was shocked to see her crying and blood running down her mouth. i never ever had hit my little sis like that ever because we were always getting along and never had to fight like that ever but i guess i was still drunk from the night before and the anger had came out! i was shocked that i hit her and i felt REALLY bad, you dont even understand?? well i thought ill drive off to cool myself down but as i was driving i was cring also at the fact that i had just hit my little sis! i felt real bad i wanted to hurt myself?? just to get me back for what i did to her! i blacked out again driving 20 mins. north on the highway i got to a cliff where i thought maybe i can end this for good so i did!! i went off a 200ft. cliff... i guess like everyone said its not my time to go?? i survived!! woke up in the hospital with only 8 staples on my knee. still feeling really bad for what i did to my little sis! i guess you can say suicidal comes to my mind sometimes!! after my accident i never touched a car until now! i only had 3 beers i was totally not drunk at all we were going up 2 blocks to DENNY'S and the cops pulled us over and said i was going to slow?? i was going speed limit!! i knew the cops were in back of me but i didnt think i was drunk so i didnt care if they were in back!! i passed all the test except for the breathalizer test!! dame it!! i knew i F***ed up for good this time and i knew i was gonna get locked up for good this time too! well i guess i deserve some jail time whatever but i rather be dead then do jail time cause my life sucks anyways!! and dont feel sorry either!!

No one is yelling at you but if that is what you want. You're a jack %$$ . All you care about is yourself. I am updating what I said. DRINKING AND DRIVING KILLS OTHERS. DO YOU WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING SOMEBODY. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOURSELF IT IS ABOUT OTHERS.

I THINK A COUPLE OF YEARS IN PRISON WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU, YOU WILL ALSO HOPEFULLY GET THE PHYCHIATRIC CARE THAT YOU TRULY NEED IN PRISON. FACE UP TO YOUR IMMATURITY AND DO NOT BE SUCH AN A$$HOLE. You have a family, you have responsibility. I know people like you and if your not careful your going to end up killing somebody else. Hopefully you do learn your lesson and hopefully you do get the counseling and phychiatric care you need. Is this yelling now. Suck it up big GIRL and make the changes in your life necessary to stop this destructive behaviour.

Joe

excon
Feb 21, 2007, 06:19 AM
Hello:

You are a pitiful human being. It's not YOUR time. But you could care less if it's somebody else's time!!

You're going to sing a different tune when they put you in a cell with Big Mamma. I hope she reames you good.

excon

PS> If you want to end it for yourself, do it! But don't take anybody with you!!

NeedKarma
Feb 21, 2007, 06:24 AM
Cool, this site promotes people to kill themselves now. Interesting.

excon
Feb 21, 2007, 06:28 AM
Hello again, Need:

I am not this site, and I speak for myself. I stand by what I say.

excon

valinors_sorrow
Feb 21, 2007, 06:28 AM
If you don't solve things at the source, they simply keep popping up like weeds in our gardens. I hear your pain in this.

This is an accurate and common portrayal of the many clients I encountered in my former profession-- I used to be in the recovery business. It taught me profound lessons about the difference between bad people and sick people. I have read all your other posts, Iheart, and you may have a drinking problem. Blackout drinking is a big indicator. Social drinkers and emotionally grounded people don't routinely rack up three DUI's. At the very least, if you don't think you have a drinking problem, you have some emotional difficulties that could really benefit by some professional help. Many communities have sliding scale resources to make it possible for anyone who wants help to receive it. Calling one of the listings in the front of your phone directory could be the difference between continuing on this unhappy path and finding the happy detour and taking it instead. Its up to you. Don't die over an unwillingness to seek help-- that kind of pride is a deadly and sad joke on you.

Its your call but I would advise you to contact AA. You'll find lots of people there with multiple DUI's to tell you of their experience so you can sort out what's best from people who really know. They can help you begin playing by the rules of the world. You'll find life to be very very different (better) that way. I know I did. Once you have a better operating mind, then you can, with help, sort out all the rest -- one thing at a time. This is all so much more salvagable than you are imagining. I know when I was where you are, it was unimaginable to me too.

Ignore the others here who do not understand -- they can't help it, they don't know any better (much like you in some ways).

Seek help. Its out there.

NeedKarma
Feb 21, 2007, 06:31 AM
Hello again, Need:

I am not this site, and I speak for myself. I stand by what I say.

exconPoint taken. If you were near her would you kill her yourself?

excon
Feb 21, 2007, 06:34 AM
Point taken. If you were near her would you kill her yourself?Hello again, Need:

If you were near a homosexual, would you drop your pants?

excon

Allheart
Feb 21, 2007, 06:35 AM
iiheart -

I am not here for the law portion.

First, you need to get on your hands and knees and thank God, that you did not hurt or kill somebody or yourself.

Next, you are in desperate need of rehab. Big time. No execuses, nothing.

Every life that God creates is worth living and has a purpose. You need to straighten up and find yours.

If jail is in the future, buckle up and face it.

You can not, can not have ANY alcohol and drive. Period.

You are as blessed and as special as the next person and you are unique for who you are.
You can change your life. You are now 20 years old and in charge. What happens from today on is all a result of the choices YOU make.

Turn this around. Oh I am beyond not happy that you have 3 DUI's. And you probably drove while under the influence many more times than that but got caught 3 times.

You better take these words seriously. What if a drunk driver killed your sister? How would you feel.

It is one of the most selfish acts a person can do, is to drink and then get behind the wheel.

There are zero excuses.

I do still have faith in you though and I have hope. You better too.

Face the penalties of your actions and take control of your life.


Pick up the phone and find out about rehab. Do it today. There is so much help out there for you, but you have got to reach out for it.

Again, what if someone had killed your sister? How would you feel?

Now, I offer you a hug to support you in hopes you find your way. Please get some help.

NeedKarma
Feb 21, 2007, 06:36 AM
Hello again, Need:

If you were near a homosexual, would you drop your pants?

exconHoly strawman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman) Batman! I'm not the one who advocated her death.

excon
Feb 21, 2007, 06:46 AM
Hello again, Need:

I know you live in Canada, but they speak the same English up there don't they? Maybe a few courses in the language might help you. Interestingly, there are some words that don't mean the same thing as other words...

Advocating her demise is one thing. Carrying it out is another.

excon

NeedKarma
Feb 21, 2007, 06:50 AM
Hello again, Need:

I know you live in Canada, but they speak the same English up there don't they? Maybe a few courses in the language might help you. Interestingly, there are some words that don't mean the same thing as other words....

Advocating her demise is one thing. Carrying it out is another.

exconHello again excon,

I apoligize for using words that are confusing to you. As I understand it you're OK if she kills herself, you just don't want your hands dirty. Gotcha. Keep egging her on, she just might do it.

excon
Feb 21, 2007, 06:55 AM
Hello again, Need:

There is hope after all for our Northern neighbors.

excon

JoeCanada76
Feb 21, 2007, 07:28 AM
Allheart,

In my own way that is what I was trying to say. NO EXCUSES, the thing is when this poster got it from a lot of different people here. He came up with a list like 10 high of all the excuses for his behaviour but there is NO EXCUSE at all.

He does need help. Prison time. FACING UP TO IT. He does need phyciatric care and counseling. Very important here.

Val - I agree, AA is very important. He could do that while he is in prison or after he comes out. Or maybe the only option for him to be allowed realeased from prison is on condition he does go to AA and getting his liceance suspended for many many years.

excon - My wife agrees with your answer. It is better for him to kill himself then to kill other people.

ALLHEART - I also agree that God has a purpose for every single person. We all learn from each other. We all have our own experiances to go through. I hope you find God because he love you no matter how many mistakes you make. Every single life is important even yours, even with all the mistakes.

NeedKarma - I agree, that that statement from excon was harsh and we should not encourage somebody to take their own life. At the same time agree with the point that if he is going to kill or hurt anybody it is better for him not to do it to anybody else.

Joe

J_9
Feb 21, 2007, 01:15 PM
I am going to apologize for going off on such a tangent earlier, but this thread hurt me to the core and brought back some emotions I have not felt for 20+ years.

You see, I had some very close family members that were killed by a repeat DUI offender, such as yourself.

The man who was drunk had gotten in a fight with his wife earlier that day. He went to a bar to wallow in self pity. He stayed most of the day and
Into the night. My aunt, uncle, and cousin were on their way home from a Pittsburg Steelers fooball game when this man decided it was time to leave the bar.

The hardest thing my father every had to do was to go to the hospital to identify his sister, brother-in-law and nephew. My father was an alcoholic and drank, but never drove (he drank at home), until that night. He has never touched another drink again.

The man who caused the accident was treated and released from that hospital that night 20+ years ago. He was given a slap on the wrist and sent back out into society.

When I read this post the fear of that night, the agony of the funeral of my family, and the anger I had toward that man came rushing back. I havent' thought of those 3 for quite a long time... until yesterday.

So, I hope now that you understand my ranting. You need to get some help before you are that man who was in the bar that night 20+ years ago.

J_9
Feb 22, 2007, 05:52 AM
UPDATE again::

Jesushelper76-- IM A GIRL dude!!

excon-- YES i minus well kill myself before i kill anyone!! thanks

J_9--its ok dont "apologize" i am listening to what you are saying and i
understand what you had to go through when you had your family members
killed by a drunk driver! and im sorry for what happend!!

valinors_sorrow--and yes i know some people dont know what
others do go through but i know i am wrong! i will get help!! thank you.

I am glad to hear of this update. Just an FYI though if you scrol down and post your updates in the Quick Answer box more people are likely to see it.;)

Some of us were harsh, but sometimes it is that wake up call that some people need to see and hear to realize that they have a problem. It works well for some, and others not so well. But as you saw, this post hit home with me, flooded me with memories I had hoped were long gone.

I hope you get help for your problem. I hope that you are one that did take this as a wake up that help is needed. Understand it won't be easy, but it can be done. You are worth so much more that what you have been going through. Please don't hurt yourself or anyone else anymore. Get the help you so rightly deserve.

iiheartloserrrs
Feb 22, 2007, 02:55 PM
Thanks J_9 I think after I read all your comments and everyone else, it really made me thinking! I had found a few alcohol sites online and signed up for info, I called a few AA programs around here, and I got a few application to sign up for counseling! Thank you all very much to make me see and realalized a lot of things!

Allheart
Feb 22, 2007, 03:11 PM
Bless you sweetheart! Ya know, you should be darn proud of yourself. You just made my day and believe me, it was a real crappy one, until I read your response.

Don't rob yourself of any more sunshine :). Stay strong. Your excitement and wanting better for yourself, will bring a lot of joy and inspiration to many, and more importantly to yourself.

So very happy for you!

J_9
Feb 22, 2007, 03:13 PM
IIheartloserrrs,

That is GREAT!! I am glad you are seeing the light. You can do this and we are behind you.

Now we all know that sometimes shock tactics do indeed work in some cases.

While my story was true, I don't want that to happen to you. As I said, you deserve so much better in life. You are still so young and have a life to look forward to.

Now, go to an AA meeting, get a sponsor, and stay sober. You can do this we are all pulling for you!! ;)

This is such wonderful news!! :D

Allheart
Feb 22, 2007, 03:14 PM
This is such wonderful news!!!:D


AMEN and real nice job J_9. Real nice!

J_9
Feb 22, 2007, 03:17 PM
Oh, Allheart dear, all I did was tell a true story. Iiheartloserrs did the good work by herself. All we did was get the ball rolling.;)

This is one true example of how a slap of reality really can work.

Allheart
Feb 22, 2007, 03:20 PM
Iiheartloserrs did the good work by herself. All we did was get the ball rolling.;)

And we are darn darn proud of her!! She sure did the good work and I have all the faith
In her that she will keep it up. Iiheart, I can just feel your excitement :)

Nosnosna
Feb 22, 2007, 03:20 PM
thanks J_9 i think after i read all your comments and everyone else, it really made me thinking! i had found a few alcohol sites online and signed up for info, i called a few AA programs around here, and i got a few application to sign up for counseling! thank you all very much to make me see and realalized a lot of things!!

I thought you were beyond hope. I'm glad to see that I was wrong, and apologize for snapping the other day.

I, and I'm sure everyone else here, wish you all the best in getting help for your problem. And we'll all be here to support you if it's needed in the future.

rickdb1
Feb 26, 2007, 09:03 AM
Good thing she didn't kill herself, huh...

bowhuntingmike1
Apr 5, 2012, 04:13 PM
We are looking for a state representative to sponsor the attached bill. We need your help in introducing this bill to every state representative.

Thank You
-M.S.

Senate Bill - -
House Bill - -
Sponsor:
Senate Committee: Judiciary
House Committee: Judiciary

Date Completed: 03-10-12

TIME FRAME PROVISION FOR DUI FELONY CONVICTION

RATIONALE
The Michigan Vehicle Code makes it a Felony when there have been two or more dui convictions in a lifetime. This bill came into law when a man in 2005 was drunk driving that resulted in a manslaughter conviction known as Heidi’s Law. Many believe this law is severely shadowed and provides no judicial relief or recourse and remedy at law when incidents are victimless, void of injured party, no passengers, no death, no property damage, and do not take into account distinguishing circumstances. The categorization that all multiple offenses should be deemed felonies as the Heidi manslaughter case would have it encompasses too broad of spectrum of law and does not properly take into account simple police stop and arrests or simply sitting in a parked vehicle. These non-violent felony convictions are unacceptable and cannot be our forefathers promise for protection of rights that unequivocally walk a blatant fine line between constitutional infringements based on the vehicle code lacking the prerequisite element of common law that requires at least some form of injured party or property damage prior to eternally removing protected rights from her citizenry.

257.625 Operating motor vehicle while intoxicated; operating motor vehicle when visibly impaired; penalties for causing death or serious impairment of a body function; operation of motor vehicle by person less than 21 years of age; requirements; controlled substances; costs; enhanced sentence; guilty plea or nolo contendere; establishment of prior conviction; special verdict; public record; burden of proving religious service or ceremony; ignition interlock device; “prior conviction” defined.

(ii) If the violation occurs within 7 years of a prior conviction or after 2 or more prior convictions, regardless of the number of years that have elapsed since any prior conviction, a person who violates this subdivision is guilty of a felony and shall be sentenced to pay a fine of not less than $500.00 or more than $5,000.00 and to either of the following:

CONTENT Senate Bill XXX and House Bill XXX would amend the Michigan Vehicle Code to do all of the following:

 Adopt a 10-year “Time Frame Provision” for the reinstatement of rights for two or more convictions when offenses did not involve injured party, death, property damage or have more than one occupant in vehicle.


Proposed Bill would include subsection (iii) below:

 (iii) In the judgment of sentence under subdivision (ii) if the person’s conviction occurred without injured party, death, property damage or having more than one occupant in vehicle, a restoration of rights after a 10-year period may be provided.

Senate Bill 1241 (S-1)
Under the Vehicle Code, the Secretary of State may destroy certain records after maintaining them for a specified number of years. Records of convictions for certain violations, for which points are provided on a driver's record, may be destroyed after being maintained on file for 10 years. These include various drunk driving and other offenses.

The Michigan vehicle code felony charge is eternal that has no secretary of state, or legislative act to destroy records, and is maintained for the life of the individual on both state and federal levels and is controlled under federal nexus of Title 18 922.

Supporting Argument 1 Michigan vehicle code dui laws are improperly enacted against peaceable citizens when the offense is victimless, void of injured party, no property damage, no death, and void of vehicular passengers. Many times these convictions are based on simple police stop and arrests or from simply sitting in a parked vehicle. The vehicle code and federal law impose eternal felony convictions that do not have a fair and reasonable “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of the most basic, fundamental, and natural right of the people, to keep and bear arms, and since the U.S. Constitution along with the Bill of Rights have declared the second amendment as a natural fundamental right, this most valuable and sacred right must have a fair and reasonable “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of the second most important right.

Supporting Argument 2 This inappropriate law subsequently transforms the peaceable and non-violent citizen into a new lower socio economic class felon, whom are often forbidden from entering other countries, acquiring quality employment, attend colleges, and is essentially a death sentence to parents outlawed from ever owning or possessing a firearm for the protection of their families that is based 100% on a law that does not mandate at least some form of injured party prior to debarring rights.

Supporting Argument 3
Samuel Adams called for an amendment banning any law “to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. Thomas Jefferson said “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The current vehicle code felony laws for two or more offenses are often based on what could have happened rather than what actually did happen.
States generally do not convict a murder, arsonist or the rapist for carrying a gun, match or evil mind. The long-established rule of definition in English history for the second amendment right of the people to keep and bear arms must stand firm and paramount, auxiliary only to the natural and legally defensible right to life, and must carry the same defensible right when two or more of the convictions are victimless, void of injured party, comprise no passengers, no death, and have no property damage.

Supporting Argument 4
Michigan vehicle code has a “Time Frame Provision” for reinstating the vehicle operators “PRIVILEGE” to operate a motor vehicle on public roads after two or more convictions, and DO NOT have a “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of gun “RIGHTS” for this very same offense.

Supporting Argument 5
Abstract: What then would prevent Michigan vehicle code from issuing felony convictions for having 20 or more traffic violations in a lifetime, or having two or more convictions for texting while driving? Is texting while driving not a greater risk factor while still being victimless, void of injured party, no passengers, no death, no property damage, and do not take into account specific circumstances.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Records (NHTSA) indicate there are three (3) times more vehicular accidents caused from cell phone texting than from drinking & driving. Would it be logical to seek the removal of gun rights from people with two or more convictions for texting while driving since the vehicular accident and death rate is three times greater? This bill has the full merit of legislative wisdom that we must adopt a 10-year time frame provision for the restoration of gun rights in cases involving two or more offenses that are void of injured party, having no property damage, no death, and do not have more than one occupant within drivers vehicle.

THIS BILL DOES NOT SEEK A LOGICAL TIME FRAME PROVISION FOR TWO OR MORE CONVICTIONS INVOLVING INJURED PARTY, VICTIM, DEATH, OR VEHICLE WITH SECONDARY OCCUPANT.