silvercannonca
Feb 15, 2012, 02:23 PM
I apologize up front for how long this is, but trying to give good picture. The reality is, friendships are very important, but sometimes a bit more sticky and I need help to know is this my opportunity to work on myself and grown in being able to accept people as they are, or do I need to cut loose, grieve, and move on?
I moved to a new city a year ago -- met this person who became a great friend very quickly. We would meet 3x a week to ride before work, she'd invite me over for dinner with her family now and then, would keep me updated on what is going on in her life, we'd go shopping with her kids, holidays with her parents, etc. One morning, she suddenly stopped riding - her excuse, 'my leg hurts'. About a week later, she had too much to drink and said, my leg never hurt, but that was still the end of the riding. -- I did wonder how she was able to get up so early to ride, work all day, and take care of her kids, husband, house, etc (we were riding at 5:15), but she never told me, 'i'm too exhausted to continue this' or something truthful. I kind of got the feeling that the reason we rode in the first place was she could tell people we were riding and invite a third person she was trying to mend a relationship with -- I was the pawn in that game. I also felt like sometimes the invites to hang with the family were because she was lonely, not because she wanted my friendship specifically. The holidays were genuine - I think (is this just my insecurity?)
Now I realize a reason she was so available for a friendship so quickly and fully when she had already lived in the community for 8 years is that she has friendship issues, but we'd been having great fun and laughs and I should be more accepting of people and I'm confused -- are her issues just pushing my buttons wrong or is she a real jerk?
Some background on her: privileged upbringing, one brother, her father was a colonel in the military but her family was very insular -- her parents had no friends (they have told me repeatedly how it was always just the 4 of them, they didn't have friends, and with the holidays, zero family friends, only immediate family). Other than her parents being very insular, they moved every couple years so my friend had little opportunity to make lasting friendships through neighborhood/school. She then went on to Ivy League school and medical school. She talks about never fitting in at Ivy school as she was 'fat'. She actually never was fat, just needed to lose at most 20 lbs and I do know that she had enough of a good experience that she went back for her 20 year reunion. Her family is 'perfect' in terms of her parents never raising their voice, always there for their kids, always tell them they love them, and her mother even told me a story of how one day her daughter (my friend) went to school after she had scolded her, then she, the mother, went to school to pull her out of class to apologize and tell her she loved her 'because you should never let your think you are angry with them'
Medical school - again, very privileged. Her parents paid for everything, her grandfather bought her a two bedroom condo to live in, etc. Once you are a doctor, people want to be your friend just because you are a doctor -- she often talks about how everyone wants something from her and she feels like the rich 'friends' she have make her feel like she has to buy their friendship. -- reality or not, to some extent is true, but she also has a ego that makes her announce to people that she is a surgeon upon first meeting them. My take, she has very little practice having appropriate interactions while growing up, and grown up world she is in a privileged world.
My background - very family, parents very involved in the community, always had people over or going to visit people, sports, etc. My families faults are the opposite - my parents had no money, my day was pretty violent in terms of hitting us with boards, hoses, etc. punching, choking, and such several times a week. My middle brother and I were not protected by my mother, so get more of it than the others. My parents never hugged us - ever, never said 'i love you', ever, and I was sexually abused by my father and uncle, which my mother blamed on me. I only say this to give a background of my insecurities. Despite the messy parts, I am pretty well adjusted, lots of friends, involved in the community, have an advanced degree, have traveled the world, etc. What I don't have is a significant other - mostly because, well, maybe because I haven't found someone right, or at the end of the day, while I trust most people, I have never thought someone really loved me enough to put me first so have not seen it until too late when it could have developed into something.
So, her problem - she has little experience interacting appropriately in non-offensive ways, or saying biting things (she knows this). My problem, I have a rejection fear. Our blow up -- I called her on saying biting things, her response, 'why can't you accept me for who I am' since then, our relationship completely changed. She still sends me text messages now and then saying things like blowing a kiss, but we haven't had a good laugh in too long and she no longer instigates any contact. She shows up if instigate, but where she always instigated before, now she does not. Part of the problem is, in her view, she has this terrible burden of her family, so much work to have two kids in elementary school, with one kid needing extra tutoring to make honor roll, and a stay at home husband, and parents who take the kids three nights a week, etc. Of course, I think, come one, get over it, but I have not said it.
Finally my question, am I being a fool by trying to make this work by telling myself, these are my issues, a healthy friendship does not have as much involvement as we did the first six months, and now even though we haven't had a meaningful outing since the blow up, we do still see each other once a week. To me it feels very forced and she is hoping I withdraw and she is just being nice, because as she has been characterized "the most non confrontational person in the world). On the other hand, she is busy with her professional and personal life (why more now than a year ago or six months?) and she has done with me as she has with all other friendships - tired of it, or taken it for granted, or got overwhelmed because she invested so much more into it then she could to glam on, but it was not sustainable.
I thought of her one of the best friends I have ever had, now I think I need to grow emotionally -- either by realizing this is a healthy relationship and accept her as is, or by realizing this is not healthy and letting to, mourning the loss, and moving on.
I moved to a new city a year ago -- met this person who became a great friend very quickly. We would meet 3x a week to ride before work, she'd invite me over for dinner with her family now and then, would keep me updated on what is going on in her life, we'd go shopping with her kids, holidays with her parents, etc. One morning, she suddenly stopped riding - her excuse, 'my leg hurts'. About a week later, she had too much to drink and said, my leg never hurt, but that was still the end of the riding. -- I did wonder how she was able to get up so early to ride, work all day, and take care of her kids, husband, house, etc (we were riding at 5:15), but she never told me, 'i'm too exhausted to continue this' or something truthful. I kind of got the feeling that the reason we rode in the first place was she could tell people we were riding and invite a third person she was trying to mend a relationship with -- I was the pawn in that game. I also felt like sometimes the invites to hang with the family were because she was lonely, not because she wanted my friendship specifically. The holidays were genuine - I think (is this just my insecurity?)
Now I realize a reason she was so available for a friendship so quickly and fully when she had already lived in the community for 8 years is that she has friendship issues, but we'd been having great fun and laughs and I should be more accepting of people and I'm confused -- are her issues just pushing my buttons wrong or is she a real jerk?
Some background on her: privileged upbringing, one brother, her father was a colonel in the military but her family was very insular -- her parents had no friends (they have told me repeatedly how it was always just the 4 of them, they didn't have friends, and with the holidays, zero family friends, only immediate family). Other than her parents being very insular, they moved every couple years so my friend had little opportunity to make lasting friendships through neighborhood/school. She then went on to Ivy League school and medical school. She talks about never fitting in at Ivy school as she was 'fat'. She actually never was fat, just needed to lose at most 20 lbs and I do know that she had enough of a good experience that she went back for her 20 year reunion. Her family is 'perfect' in terms of her parents never raising their voice, always there for their kids, always tell them they love them, and her mother even told me a story of how one day her daughter (my friend) went to school after she had scolded her, then she, the mother, went to school to pull her out of class to apologize and tell her she loved her 'because you should never let your think you are angry with them'
Medical school - again, very privileged. Her parents paid for everything, her grandfather bought her a two bedroom condo to live in, etc. Once you are a doctor, people want to be your friend just because you are a doctor -- she often talks about how everyone wants something from her and she feels like the rich 'friends' she have make her feel like she has to buy their friendship. -- reality or not, to some extent is true, but she also has a ego that makes her announce to people that she is a surgeon upon first meeting them. My take, she has very little practice having appropriate interactions while growing up, and grown up world she is in a privileged world.
My background - very family, parents very involved in the community, always had people over or going to visit people, sports, etc. My families faults are the opposite - my parents had no money, my day was pretty violent in terms of hitting us with boards, hoses, etc. punching, choking, and such several times a week. My middle brother and I were not protected by my mother, so get more of it than the others. My parents never hugged us - ever, never said 'i love you', ever, and I was sexually abused by my father and uncle, which my mother blamed on me. I only say this to give a background of my insecurities. Despite the messy parts, I am pretty well adjusted, lots of friends, involved in the community, have an advanced degree, have traveled the world, etc. What I don't have is a significant other - mostly because, well, maybe because I haven't found someone right, or at the end of the day, while I trust most people, I have never thought someone really loved me enough to put me first so have not seen it until too late when it could have developed into something.
So, her problem - she has little experience interacting appropriately in non-offensive ways, or saying biting things (she knows this). My problem, I have a rejection fear. Our blow up -- I called her on saying biting things, her response, 'why can't you accept me for who I am' since then, our relationship completely changed. She still sends me text messages now and then saying things like blowing a kiss, but we haven't had a good laugh in too long and she no longer instigates any contact. She shows up if instigate, but where she always instigated before, now she does not. Part of the problem is, in her view, she has this terrible burden of her family, so much work to have two kids in elementary school, with one kid needing extra tutoring to make honor roll, and a stay at home husband, and parents who take the kids three nights a week, etc. Of course, I think, come one, get over it, but I have not said it.
Finally my question, am I being a fool by trying to make this work by telling myself, these are my issues, a healthy friendship does not have as much involvement as we did the first six months, and now even though we haven't had a meaningful outing since the blow up, we do still see each other once a week. To me it feels very forced and she is hoping I withdraw and she is just being nice, because as she has been characterized "the most non confrontational person in the world). On the other hand, she is busy with her professional and personal life (why more now than a year ago or six months?) and she has done with me as she has with all other friendships - tired of it, or taken it for granted, or got overwhelmed because she invested so much more into it then she could to glam on, but it was not sustainable.
I thought of her one of the best friends I have ever had, now I think I need to grow emotionally -- either by realizing this is a healthy relationship and accept her as is, or by realizing this is not healthy and letting to, mourning the loss, and moving on.