My best friend likes me and I've known him for 5 yrs. One time we were having a conversation and he asks if there's a possibility of us ever happening and I said yes but with uncertainty.or I would say yes and no. and he knew how indecisive I was but not the reasons so I told him. I told him that I'm christian and I was looking for a guy of my similar faith because it's a big part of who I am and I know that if I am in a serious relationship with someone with a different religious background than it would cause problems in the relationship. He says that he's catholic but that he's willing to support me and my religion. Thing is I feel that he's just doing it because he likes me and wants me happy but if you are going to follow a religion just for me then isn't that wrong? Shouldn't you follow a religion for yourself and because you want to? Its great that he's supportive but I want to be in a long term relationship and I know that eventually its going to bother me and there's going to be conflicts. What can you guys suggest?

Catholic is Christian, in fact, was the first organized Christian church body.

You are Protestant? Which denomination?

Personally, I think you might find that your fears may be misguided... I have an Aunt and Uncle, well, my mom's Aunt and Uncle really... They are of different faiths as well... He is some denomination of Christianity, and she is Catholic. They've been happily married for over 50 years now...

Whatever the differences are, remember that both Christianity and Catholicism have a universal belief in the one true God. Catholicism was created basically at the want of Jesus in order to educate people about God and the path to salvation. Christianity centers a little more on what Jesus did and is still doing for the world, but still has the same purpose of educating people in Christ, God, and salvation.

There are different customs of course, but there are the same customs as well... Like communion...

One of the things I recall from one of my high school classes (probably history) is that Christianity and Catholicism are sort of "Universal Religions" willing to accept anyone and everyone into "the family"... That's why there are people who convert from other faiths into different faiths. My own father was raised Catholic, but today we attend a Christian church. He says that the main difference he sees is in the customs like confession and reciting prayers. Catholicism, he says, is very robotic... The same thing over and over again every week. Whereas in Christianity there are the things that get done every week, like Worship through song, but it is different. Different songs, no monotony, faster paced messages, etc...

The point I'm trying to make is that you should consider the similarities between you and your friend more than the difference in Religion. You have the same belief, just different ways of showing it. And look at more than that. Do you two have the same sort of personality? Do you have fun together and understand each other and care for each other like you are family? Besides your religious preference, could you see yourself with him for the rest of your life?

If you are best friends and do all sorts of stuff together outside of school or work and have no problems with religion at those times then why not give it a shot and make yourself an official couple and see where life takes you?

Food for thought. Remember that you are both believers one way or another. :) Good luck. :D

Christians don't pray to mary or bow down to saints. "you shall not have no other gods before me". We don't follow the sacraments or any of those man made traditions. Catholicism is actually very different from christianity when comparing the two.


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholicism_is_of_the_devil.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_vs_bible.htm

True, but Catholic people don't see them as God's. They are the people who were the closest to God. Perhaps they have the ear of God and can pass on my message and get it listened to...

The main idea is that they believe in Jesus and God.

The other post said that Catholicism is Christianity... It's true... It's a denomination.

Like me... I'm an Evangelical Free Christian...
Your friend is a Catholic Christian
My Grand Father is a Pentecostal Christian

They all go about things in different ways, but they all hold the same beliefs.

Even Mormons... They are Mormon or "Modern Day" Christians of Latter day Saints...
There are Jehovah's Witness Christians and Lutheran Christians and so on and so forth...

The one thing that they all have in common is Jesus Christ and the one true God.

Actually I read the bible so I do not think I'm "misguided". Catholics believe in the one true god like we do but they prey to saints and statues of mary when she is not the one true god our lord jesus christ. You have to remember also that in the 10 commandments it says "thou shall not have no other gods before me". I am happy that your aunt and uncle have been married for 50yrs and I wish them many more but not everyone is the same and we as christians have to take a stand against evil.

Catholics don't pray to Mary or the saints.

Catholics were the original organized Christian church.

My friend the fact that you don't see them as gods but bow down to them is pretty disturbing. Jesus strictly forbids this as this is an abomination unto the lord. None of these traditions will save you only the blood of christ. Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing which are these false religions. God bless you friend

Which denomination do you belong to, ladylove?

I didn't mean that your knowledge is misguided. I meant your fear of conflict. You said it in your title and in the question itself. This is about your best friend. If he is your best friend then what is there to be afraid of? He already accepts you for who you are and you accept him for who he is.

I'm assuming that you didn't get to my second post before replying, and I'm probably missing out on something you are typing as I type this, but let me re state my theory about who they pray to.

Catholics view the Pope as the modern person that is closest to God. Perhaps they see Mary and St. Christopher and all the other Saints as the past people who were closest to God. It was Mary who birthed Jesus after all so what made her special? Why did God pick Mary? Maybe the Catholics believe he picked her because she was/is special to God and thus, she is closer to God... They might pray to her on a certain subject so that she may pass the message along to God and get them some attention... As to the statues... I don't know how to explain that except that maybe it makes them feel closer to the person...

Even in other Christian churches it is not uncommon to see a statue depicting Jesus on the cross... What do many people do when they pray? They either fold their hands and close their eyes with their head down, or they look to the heavens and in many cases, directly at the statue of Jesus...

Why pray to Jesus? Jesus himself says to pray to God and not to him... Just another thought... We see Jesus either as the human form of God, or as God's son and thus, the person closest to God. We pray to him and he gets his dad, God, to listen and respond...

Another thought... People ask others to pray for them... Example, I might ask you to pray for me to lose weight... Maybe I think that you are closer to God than I am and that's why I ask this of you...

So when a Catholic person prays to Mary, maybe it's because Mary is no longer with us for us to ask her in person so we have to ask her to pray for us by praying to her... Again, this is just my own theory...

Now... I've probably missed a post or 2 since starting to write this... Keep that in mind in case I said something that someone else said or that you said or whatever... I'm replying specifically to the post you made at 8:52PM...

I just refreshed and no response to my last post... I have to go to work right now, but I'll look at this again in the morning... Good luck in finding the answers you need in the meantime... Oh... and when I said 8:52 PM I meant in California time (PST)...

Please read the two links I posted to fully understand what I'm saying. That born again christians do not bow down to any idols of any kind while they pray. Even if its an idol of jesus and you are simply looking up to him. Remember that god is a spirit. This is why my best friend and I will have complications.

Please read the two links i posted to fully understand what im saying. the fact of the matter is that born again christians do not bow down to any idols of any kind while they pray. even if its an idol of jesus and you are simply looking up to him. remeber that god is a spirit. this is why my best friend and i will have complications.The links you posted clearly put you in the "fanatics" camp. You will not find a suitable mate outside of your specific denomination.

Well... After all of the posts and suggestions you don't seem to want to look at things any other ways... I ask this simple question. Why ask for advice if all you are going to do is disregard it and not even consider the advice of others? Again, putting aside the religion aspect, he is your best friend... There has to be a reason he is such a good friend. You must trust him in some way... He obviously wants to try to make things work on a deeper level with you...

My last piece of advice is to give the 2 of you a chance... If the religion is such a big deal for you, then perhaps you can convert him... Take him to a few services at your church and see what he thinks... He may like it and attend with you regularly...

You are refusing to give things a try with someone who may possibly be the person that God meant for you... Dating people is how we find the person that we love and who loves us in return... Love is unstoppable, if he has been trying to be more than a friend with you for an extended period, then it may be real... Just give it a try... What do you have to lose? Time with someone else, maybe...

Give our advice some thought, or don't... It's your choice... :)

I am a christian plain and simple. I am not part of a denomination or a religious camp.

i know that eventually its going to bother me and there's going to be conflicts. what can you guys suggest?
After reading all that you've written, my advice is to keep him as your friend but find a life partner within your church. You are already expecting emotional upsets and conflicts if you get marry him, so don't go there. Keep your religious life uncluttered.

That will unclutter his life too.

iam a christian plain and simple. iam not part of a denomination or a religious camp.

Actually you are. Anyone who would use as their reasoning a URl with "False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholicism_is_of_the_devil" clearly has some very specific views of people who do not engage in religion the same that you do. Most christians are much more tolerant than that.

actually i read the bible so i do not think im "misguided". catholics believe in the one true god like we do but they prey to saints and statues of mary when she is not the one true god our lord jesus christ. you have to remember also that in the 10 commandments it says "thou shall not have no other gods before me". iam happy that your aunt and uncle have been married for 50yrs and i wish them many more but not everyone is the same and we as christians have to take a stand against evil.

Ladylove keep on with your beliefs I was once a Catholic now I am a Pentecostal, you never know your friend might also find Christ and one day believe as you do. The way I see it is Catholics are sometimes misguided by a religious mindset and they fail to examine the whole Bible and ask questions. They have no revelation of christ being the head of every man. As a Christian statues hold no interest for me, nor does the use of intercessors. Unfortunately, this message hasn't gotten through to many Catholics. Substance over form, this is what we are really talking about. This things were originated when the population was uneducated and could not read the Scriptures for themselves.

Good Lord... it's ALL Christianity... NO denomination has a full revelation. The main point is if someone believes in Jesus Christ as the son of God. To get down to your question... yes, some denominations will make it more difficult to be with someone from another... i.e. the catholic who lives with a pentecostal. Focus on Jesus and all that other stuff might begin to fade into the background. Focus on Jesus and you two might actually begin to compromise on the denominational stuff. This Catholic vs. protestant bickering is worthless, gets nowhere, and really builds nobody up. If somebody knows Jesus as their savior, they are my brother or sister.

Ladylove, the fact is you are being wise in your hesitancy of this relationship. If you don't see a relationship between Him and Jesus, he probably isn't taking it seriously... a "non-practicing" type if you know what I mean. I say hold out for someone that will challenge you and help you grow. A relationship like this will only drag you down, I've seen that over and over. There is a reason the bible tells us not to be yoked with an unbeliever, it most likely will compromise your relationship with God.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Needkarma-Actually many born again would agree with what I say because they consider more the scriptures and know that we are not part of any denomination. To lable me a "fanatic" and say that I won't find a suitable mate is ridiculous. Also saying this: "Most christians are much more tolerant than that" is sinful thinking.Mark 7:6-13 and Romans 10:3-4 condemn the Catholic religion to Hell.


Solidzane-im not disregarding I just don't agree with what you are saying because I really have to consider the scriptures in this and according to the bible it is forbidden to worship any false idols even if its mary. Mary was a sinner like everyone else. Jesus is the only one we should worship in spirit as our holy savior. :) I understand that he wants to have a depper relationship with me but I also need to be careful as I am dating for the purpose of marriage and I posted this thread because I wanted and was looking for opinions on the matter from a biblical perpective. Many religious claim to follow god and be christian but we must be vigilant and aware what religions are truly christian.

paraclete- yes I do agree with what you are saying most catholics have a religious mindset and therefore disregard or don't consider biblical scriptures.

hauntinghelper-its better to just have a relationshp with christ so that there wouldn't be any religious catholic teachings holding us down since like paraclete said catholics have this religious mindset and they get misguided. Born again christians need to focus on god and only god. I think it would be better if I be with someone who will like you say help me grow instead of bring me down in my faith and that have a similar mindset as I do. Good example with 2 corinthians. Also he is not the practicing type which can damage my relationship with god in the long run.

I am not trying to debate or argue I am simply providing my reasons and taking a biblical stand on the matter. :)

Needkarma-Actually many born again would agree with what i say because they consider more the scriptures and know that we are not part of any denomination. to lable me a "fanatic" and say that i wont find a suitable mate is ridiculous. also saying this: "Most christians are much more tolerant than that" is sinful thinking.Mark 7:6-13 and Romans 10:3-4 condemn the Catholic religion to Hell.


Solidzane-im not disregarding i just dont agree with what you are saying because i really have to consider the scriptures in this and according to the bible it is forbidden to worship any false idols even if its mary. mary was a sinner like everyone else. jesus is the only one we should worship in spirit as our holy savior. :) i understand that he wants to have a depper relationship with me but i also need to be careful as iam dating for the purpose of marraige and i posted this thread because i wanted and was looking for opinions on the matter from a biblical perpective. many religious claim to follow god and be christian but we must be vigilant and aware what religions are truly christian.

paraclete- yes i do agree with what you are saying most catholics have a religious mindset and therefore disregard or dont consider biblical scriptures.

hauntinghelper-its better to just have a relationshp with christ so that there wouldnt be any religious catholic teachings holding us down since like paraclete said catholics have this religious mindset and they get misguided. born again christians need to focus on god and only god. i think it would be better if i be with someone who will like you say help me grow instead of bring me down in my faith and that have a similar mindset as i do. good example with 2 corinthians. also he is not the practicing type which can damage my relationship with god in the long run.

iam not trying to debate or argue iam simply providing my reasons and taking a biblical stand on the matter. :)


Its at this point that I have to ask. Have you actually read a Catholic Bible? You seem to do things directly against biblical teachings and Im just trying to figure out why.

Just my final few words... The point I was trying to make is that they don't worship the statues or the people they represent as Gods or idols... Just as another means of communication...

They aren't Gods, and the Catholics know that... Good luck. :)

SOLIDZANE-they shouldn't even be communicated with. But its your choice :) thanks anyway.

CALIFDADOF3-I read the kjv 1611 bible.which is the proper bible to read. Nothing is altered or changed in this bible and I read this one.its the only one I need to read. What biblical teachings am I going against? Why don't you explain?

CALIFDADOF3-I read the kjv 1611 bible.which is the proper bible to read. nothing is altered or changed in this bible and i read this one.its the only one i need to read.
Proper Bible? It isn't altered or changed from what?

Do you understand how that version came to be?

CALIFDADOF3-I read the kjv 1611 bible.which is the proper bible to read. nothing is altered or changed in this bible and i read this one.its the only one i need to read. what biblical teachings am i going against? why dont you explain?

Your not suppose to be judging others except for their earthly deeds. Its against the bible to condem someone to hell. Its not your earthly decision to make.

Califdadof3- I'm not judging anyone on anything. I said that these scriptures Mark 7:6-13 and Romans 10:3-4 condemn the religion itself to hell according to the kjv bible. And I know how it came to be and what? It is the bible that has the authority which is gods word not the church.

i know how it came to be and what? it is the bible that has the authority which is gods word not the church.
There are much better translations. Please research Bible scholarship and compare the various translations. And interpretation is everything!

Mark 7:6-13 and Romans 10:3-4 condemn the Catholic religion to Hell.






ladylove25,

Can you please explain how these verses condemn the Catholic religion to hell? Please reread the verses and point out how you made that interpretation from what is written.

Thanks

I'll even print them out:

Mark 7:6-13 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them , Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written , This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do . 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said , Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say , If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered : and many such like things do ye.

Romans 10:3-4 (KJV)
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Wondergirl-i prefer this translation.

DouLaLC-ok to put it simply in mark 7:6-13 it basically explains that people will worship god but will do so in vain because they will teach man made traditions and commandments of men. Which will make the word of god have no affect because of those traditions.

In romans 10:3-4 they being ignorant of gods righteousness and instead would go make their own through their teachings.

The catholic churh does has man made teachings that decive many people who follow them and eventually they die not truly being saved and becoming born again through the blood of christ only, thus they go to hell. I'm not saying all but most do. The road to hell is paid with good intentions.

wondergirl-i prefer this translation.

DouLaLC-ok to put it simply in mark 7:6-13 it basically explains that people will worship god but will do so in vain because they will teach man made traditions and commandments of men. which will make the word of god have no affect because of those traditions.

in romans 10:3-4 they being ignorant of gods righteousness and instead would go make their own through their teachings.

the catholic churh does has man made teachings that decive many people who follow them and eventually they die not truly being saved and becoming born again through the blood of christ only, thus they go to hell. im not saying all but most do. the road to hell is paid with good intentions.

Great this explains it all now and makes it so clear. You're a fanatic running around without a church (denomination) or following so you have the freedom to condem at will and interpret the bible any way you see fit. Don't worry you will still be in my prayers as someday you will need them dearly.

That will unclutter his life too.

Yes, it will certainly cut down on the drama.

CALIFDADEOF3-so I'm a fanatic for following the kjv bible and that I am without denomination so I have the freedom to condem at will and interpret the bible any way I see fit? Nothing can be further from the truth. God's word is final whether I am in a denomination or not. If that makes me a "fanatic" so be it.

Do you read the Bible literally?

CALIFDADEOF3-so im a fanatic for following the kjv bible and that iam without denomination so i have the freedom to condem at will and interpret the bible any way i see fit? nothing can be further from the truth. God's word is final whether iam in a denomination or not. if that makes me a "fanatic" so be it.

It seems you just want to cherry pick the bible rather then understanding the true word. That is a very dangerous position to be in.

Here is but one passage of what God has to say about it:


Note what God says in Hebrews 10:19 25. Carefully read the passage:

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. "

In these verses the Lord is teaching us to do several things:


1. To "draw near with a true heart in the full assurance of faith (V22)."
2. "To hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering (V23)."
3. "To provoke unto love and to good works (V24)."
4. "To not forsake the assembling of ourselves together (V25)."
5. "To exhort one another (V25)."



Ref:

What is so important about attending church? (http://www.bible-truth.org/whyatten.htm)


There are plenty more that are directly from the bible. Take a look for your own self.

Califdadof3-also denominations are man made. Churches are man made. My following is gods word.


Wondergirl-yes I do. Because it is the way to determine what god really is trying to communicate with us. When we piece of literature, but especially the bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate. Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author's intent. But this is not what God intended, which is why God tells us to correctly handle the Word of truth. 2 timothy 2:15.One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said "it is raining cats and dogs outside," you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious.

Califdadof3-may I ask to which bible are you referring to? Thanks :)

You should remember that whatever your intrepretation being a lone Christian is a lonely place to be

califdadof3-may i ask to which bible are you referring to? thanks :)

You should find those references in any bible.

How exactly am I cherry picking?

I agree with what the scriptures say, but I am talking about the man made traditions of the catholic church (the 7 sacraments,confession, etc.) and their good works. The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24). These issues alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as being unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on Scripture. That is why Scripture must be the standard of Christian faith and practice. The Word of God is always true and reliable. The same cannot be said of church tradition. Our guideline is to be: “What does Scripture say?” (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:11). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

So your church is the only correct one, the only way to salvation? There are many Catholics and Lutherans and Methodists who believe in salvation through grace (not works), through Jesus Christ.

Wondergirl-i never said my church was the only correct one or the only way to salvation. Only the blood of christ one truly can be saved. Salvation is not found not in good works or in religion but in a person which is jesus. :)

Also

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Lutherans/luther-on_mary.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Apostasy/methodists.htm

Wow! You've got Luther and Lutherans all wrong.

Wow! You've got Luther and Lutherans all wrong.

Maybe before you consider anything reliable for the websites that were posted you need to just look at the home page.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven! (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/)


Im sure Alex Jones is proud.

Maybe before you consider anything reliable for the websites that were posted you need to just look at the home page.

Yup, I saw that. I was just being feisty.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven! (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/)




I wonder, ladylove25, were you raised in a family that held similar beliefs or did you research and discover that this is what made sense to you?

I also wonder what you might believe in if you happened to be born and raised in Japan, for example... or perhaps in Egypt, or India?

Doulalc- I was raised christian and born in Florida.

Wondergirl-not my article but if you say so :)

Califdadof3- cute comment. The man who writes these articles speak the truth and provides evidence with scriptures and sources. He's not wishy washy and cowardly like some people who are christian my friend. Please view this YouTube channel who is also supporter of this website.

http://www.youtube.com/user/hensssley

Godbless friends:)

califdadof3- cute comment. the man who writes these articles speak the truth and provides evidence with scriptures and sources. hes not wishy washy and cowardly like some people who are christian my friend. please view this youtube channel who is also supporter of this website.

hensssley's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/hensssley)

godbless friends:)

Im not so sure I would follow the teachings of a man that has to hide because he is a child molester. Very odd choice to be making if you ask me.

This is the man that owns the website you referred to. And is preaching in the videos.

David J. Stewart Indicted for Sex with Minor | David J. Stewart Exposed! (http://davidjstewartexposed.blogspot.com/2009/07/david-j-stewart-charged-sex-with-minor.html)

Forgot this one.

David J. Stewart Exposed! (http://www.davidjstewartexposed.blogspot.com/)

Doulalc- i was raised christian and born in florida.

wondergirl-not my article but if you say so :)

califdadof3- cute comment. the man who writes these articles speak the truth and provides evidence with scriptures and sources. hes not wishy washy and cowardly like some people who are christian my friend. please view this youtube channel who is also supporter of this website.

hensssley's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/hensssley)

godbless friends:)

So you think he is the end all and be all my dear? So this is the way you show your face to us to let us know what you believe in ?

You are charlaten, and he who you follow.

This thread should be closed before I hear anymore of your diatribe.

Doulalc- i was raised christian and born in florida.




Again, I have to wonder what you would believe if you were born elsewhere. You happened to be born in Florida and raised in a Christian household. Most people follow the beliefs that they were raised to believe in.

What do you think becomes of those who were born and raised in China... Iran... Morocco... Japan, etc. where Christianity is not the most common religion?

In response to your original question... if you feel that your beliefs would be in direct conflict with this man's, and that you would not be able to be accepting of his beliefs, then don't marry him.

Just remember that acceptance does not have to mean agreeing. Most couples will find that they have differences that they will need to accept... or just agree to disagree.

Don't even get into a serious relationship with him if you don't believe it will be what you are looking for.

tickle- not saying he is the end all be all so no need for insults.

Califdadof3- I've seen this article. Could be true but I just read his articles and he speaks the truth. He talks about a lot of topics.

califdadof3- ive seen this article. could be true but i just read his articles and he speaks the truth. he talks about alot of topics.


You were the one quoting scripture to back your claims that the Catholic Church is evil.

Mark 7:6-13 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them , Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written , This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do . 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said , Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say , If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered : and many such like things do ye.



Yet you prefer to ignore the truth when faced with it and follow someone who clearly can't follow your version of biblical teaching.

The man is a hypocrite and until / unless he is repentant then he has no business trying to teach right and wrong to others. His view is warped at best.

Califdadof3-maby he did repent I mean do you talk to him? And no I'm not ignoring anything since I read the article.

califdadof3-maby he did repent i mean do you talk to him? and no im not ignoring anything since i read the article.

I haven't spoken to him and I see nothing to indicate his repent. Have you spoken to him as a follower for your religion of 1 ?

alifdadof3-well no. I have read that article before a very long time ago. I don't know David J. Stewart personally. A cult is a religious group that doesn't line up with biblical truth, a group that will teach something that will cause a person to not get saved... such as saying "baptism is necessary for salvation" or that "jesus was not God in the flesh." I have read a great deal of his website and as far as basic bible truth goes he is exactly right about all of it. He teaches salvation is by grace through faith, that Jesus is the son of God(God in the flesh). He exalts Jesus Christ all over his website. He goes by what the bible says so his site isn't a cult. He also exposes tons and tons of bad music and other false doctrines. As far as what he is teaching, it is exactly right, other than a few minor things that I don't agree with. He really seems like he loves the Lord. I have no idea if that article is true or not. That could be someone trying to ruin his name. If it were true, that's between him and God. I know a preacher that was really right with God and preached the truth in all of his sermons, he slipped into sin and committed adultery... he got right with God and started preaching again. A lot of people said he shouldn't be a preacher anymore because of it. We all sin and slip up, I fail God everyday of my life. I'm so grateful Jesus shed his blood for me because I'm a dirty sinner and there is no way I could ever earn my salvation. Even saved people still have a sin nature, we still slip up and sin even though we are saved. The same people that said that preacher shouldn't preach anymore are sinners too and also fail God. I believe like this... if someone is living in sin... for example... having sex outside of marriage and continue to do so.. then they shouldn't be preaching, singing in the choir, or anything else until they get that sin out of their life and ask for forgiveness. But if someone committed a sin in the past and has asked forgiveness for it and is trying their best to live right then they should be able to preach, sing in the choir, etc. God called Noah a preacher of righteousness, Noah also failed God when he got drunk. Failure isn't final with the Father. ALL of our sins are covered by Jesus blood. I hope that article isn't true. I have no way of knowing. All I know for sure is that his website goes by what the bible says. Also when your on his website, don't take his word for it, look it up in your bible and see if what he is saying is true. :)

baptism is not necessary for salvation
Jesus was God in the flesh
salvation is by grace through faith
goes by what the Bible says
one cannot earn salvation
saved people still have a sin nature
ALL of our sins are covered by Jesus' blood

If one believes the above, then what?

Then that's all you really need to know

That's what Lutherans believe.

I love that last post by wondergirl at 8:09... lol.. And now I think I'll fuel the fire a bit... First understand that I am a believer and accept what the bible teaches... a while back you all were ralking about man made traditions and religion...

I hate to break the news to you, but the bible is man made too... I forget the year place and people, but a group of men decided what books would go into the bible and which wouldn't... they also decided in what light to show jesus... as in, they decided to make sure people believe that he is the son of God and that he lived essentially a sin free life...

The bible as we know it is technically incomplete...

The king james bible is simply a translation that james liked the best when he was growing up... That is, an interpretation of the hebrew and other languages into english...

If I recall correctly, jesus asked peter to carry on with jesus' church... what church might that be??

Like I said, I know I'm just tossing gas onto the fire here, but seriously... does your friend believe that jesus is the son of God? Has he accepted him into his life?

As to your want of only getting into a serious relatonship... how can you possibly expect a guy to say that he will be with you forever and ever if he hasn' t had the chance to date you and get to know you on a deeper level? The way things usually happen is; dating, living together, marrying each other, finish the story with a couple different ways... Though, studies have shown that people who live together before marriage tend to not stay married than those who get married when living in separate houses...

Have fun screaming at me now... ;) And please, correct me if I'm wrong in places...

Oh, just as a reference, I read from a "new king james version" bible... :)

Wondergirl-they still follow traditions which are unblibical.

solidzane-the words in the bible is gods inspired word. How is that man made? About my friend he says he believes in god but he never told me he was a born again. Also he says gods name in vain a lot and I barely see his interest in living a christian life. But its his choice I'm not going to stop being his friend cause of that. And I know him at some deep level just not that relationship deep level. His religion is not the only thing that's a problem just a big portion of it. But its true people who live together before marriage tend to not stay married then those who living in separate houses :)also be careful about the type of bible you read.

http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/nkjv.asp?FROM=biblecenter

Wondergirl-they still follow traditions which are unblibical.
Such as?

For those who care, it was the Catholic Church that meet and decided what books are in the bible and which books was not.

It was the Catholic Church that actually protected the bible and keep it and copies it during the years when many tried to destroy it.

But heck what is a little facts when one wants to hate a denomination.

Oh my gosh... the only big difference between kjv and nkjv is some wording... as in nkjv uses some more modern language than kjv... just a random example might be saying "you" instead of "thou" or something like that... that's really the main difference in most versions of the bible... interpretation of the old texts... that's why most of the writing reads the same, but some verses are slightly different...

As to the man made comment... it is people who wrote every book in the bible... moses did so based directly at the word of God, but what about the rest? Now, I know this won't make you happy, but there is a reason they call parts of the bible "stories"... They are stories about the lives of people, written by people, for people... Man Made...

As I said though. I still believe... kind of like danny gokeys song titled "i still believe"... look it up, it's a good song...

Wondergirl-such as false doctrines. Lutheran sacraments- "which teaches that God earnestly offers to all who receive the sacrament forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation. most of those churches still practice the "seven sacraments" of the Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox Church".

wondergirl-such as false doctrines. lutheran sacraments- "which teaches that God earnestly offers to all who receive the sacrament forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation. most of those churches still practice the "seven sacraments" of the Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox Church".
I so wonder where you are getting your incorrect information. And no, "most of them" i.e. Lutherans don't have seven sacraments.

Oh my gosh... the only big difference between kjv and nkjv is some wording... as in nkjv uses some more modern language than kjv... just a random example might be saying "you" instead of "thou" or something like that... thats really the main difference in most versions of the bible... interpretation of the old texts... thats why most of the writing reads the same, but some verses are slightly different...

As to the man made comment... it is people who wrote each and every book in the bible... moses did so based directly at the word of God, but what about the rest? Now, i know this wont make you happy, but there is a reason they call parts of the bible "stories"... They are stories about the lives of people, written by people, for people... Man Made...

As i said though. I still believe... kinda like danny gokeys song titled "i still believe"... look it up, its a good song...



You can go here to look up many different versions of the bible if you want to compare words.


BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages. (http://www.biblegateway.com/)

Wow I completely disagreed with everything you said haha. The NKJV and every version besides the KJV is incorrect and changes major parts. I completely disagree with the part where you said "the bible is man made." That is so not true. The whole bible is the words of God. I also believe everything in the bible happened. I have heard people say that Jonah and the whale wasn't an actual story that happened but it did. Luterans believe baptism saves you. They also believe you are suppose to confess your sins to a pastor/priest when the bible plainly says only to confess your sins to Jesus because Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" —1st Timothy 2:5

The new versions of the bible... the NKJV, the niv, etc... change James 5:16 to say that we are suppose to confess our sins and trespasses to each other... which is wrong. We only confess our sins to Jesus. One of the many reasons the new versions are so wrong. The lutheran church is definitely a cult. Because it goes against fundamental bible teachings. They believe in works for salvation. Any religious group that changes the plan of salvation is a cult. I'm not one of those people that are against other denominations for no reason, I'm against a lot of them because they preach unbiblical things.

Luterans believe baptism saves you. They also believe you are suppose to confess your sins to a pastor/priest when the bible plainly says only to confess your sins to Jesus becuase Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.
That is totally not true. I have been a Lutheran since before I was born. Your source of information is incorrect.

Can someone just close this thread as the original question has been given several suggestions, most of which the asker has compltely disregarded... this thread has turned into a religious debate that is not showing our best sides...

There is no reason to continue debating since the asker is so set in her beliefs that she leaves no room for other possibilities...

As a final response to the asker from me. The king james version of the bible is only as correct as the translations from the original languages. If you really want to read the bible the way it was written and meant to be read, I suggest you learn hebrew and greek and any other languages originally used.

As I said before, the kjv is the one of several translations that king james of england liked the most and he declared it to be the "authorized" version. Simply because he lliked the translation into english. You are welcome to your beliefs, but please don't tell us that we are wrong just because we don't hold all the same beliefs as you do. Good luck in life.

And we don't have the original books that eventually became the Bible.

Can someone just close this thread as the original question has been given several suggestions,.

I asked this two days ago, solid, but it was ignored, I ask that again too as I believe the same way you do,but I saw it coming before you did. OP is going around in circles, she loves the attention and has an audience which she probably never has anywhere else.

Wondergirl is probably nashing her teeth as well read as she is, at some of OP's off the wall responses

OK GUYS LETS CLOSE THIS BEFORE IT GOES ANY FURTHER, CURLYBEN WHERE ARE YOU

I could really care less as I was just showing you why I disagreed. :) attention? Hahaha why would I want attention here? At this point you solidzane are just making up reasons as to why I am debating in "circles". Regardless you believe in what you want to believe in I am not anyone to tell you otherwise. If you think I am arguing in circles then why keep answering? All I was doing was showing my side of the argument. I am in no way angry or seeking attention that's just silly.anyways I still love you guys as god loves us all. By the way I never said you were wrong but disagreed in the things you said. Same goes for everyone. Good luck in your life and thanks for advice :)

I saw all this coming, see my posts way back on page 2. :-)

I was going to close it, but was told to let it go on for a while. Closing this now. Thank you all for your input!