After 22 months of dating, my boyfriend CP has sprung the "we need a break" card on me. We have been dating since senior year of high school (so both turning 20 this year) and currently he's working and I'm going to school. This isn't the first time he's mentioned a break so it wasn't really surprising, but the last time he mentioned it he came back in half an hour asking me to take him back. So far it's Day 2 (as in about 48 hours) since he made the decision and I have no idea how to handle this.

PRE-BREAK:

The break I guess was inevitable because of external circumstances...


2 Dogs dying early in the year (14 and 16 years old, he grew up with them)
His best friend and "brother" K deciding to run off and join the army (been friends since they were little)
Parents currently getting a divorce


... and the negative effects of these events that left him feeling abandoned and afraid of close relationships. The "last straw" I guess was me asking him to give up one day with K for me when he came back the other day on leave and surprised CP. Maybe it was a selfish request since K will be shipping out to Afghanistan soon, but I thought that not having seen each other since the week before might make him want to spend time with me as well as K (which I saw nothing wrong with the 3 of us doing something but apparently that wasn't a valid suggestion since K and I don't "know eachother". In 22 months I've maybe seen him 7 times because of him being a colossal flirt/pick-up artist/whore who'd bragged to my boyfriend that he could probably get me to cheat on him... nice friend, huh?)

And don't get me wrong, I was extremely happy about K coming back because CP had been really depressed since he left but at the same time K is kind of a jerk... CP will drop everything for him and goes out of his way to try and make good lasting memories but K totally disregards his intentions... For instance, before K left CP planned a guy camping trip/going-away thing for K with two other friends anddddd K ends up bringing the chick he was banging at the time, even though I wasn't even allowed to go help set up camp because of it being a "guy thing" and all.

Anyway, after I found out that they would be inseparable, CP's other best friend M sent me a message asking me if we were doing okay and I told him the truth. I told him that lately and maybe since K had left in January that I've felt like CP has been taking me for granted, not seeing me as much, and not treating me as well as he used to. I've been chalking it up to him working and my school schedule (I have morning and night classes) and us simply not being able to see each other but once a week because of conflicting schedules.. but M encouraged me to tell CP how I was feeling. He said "I know he [CP] cares about you more than anything, he just needs to show it more" and "If you told him then I'm sure he'd understand."...so I did tell him.

THE BREAK:

I am NOT a confrontational person and I SUCK at speaking my mind but I took M's word for it and contacted my boyfriend (by fb because his phone was stolen at work earlier that day) to tell him how I was feeling. I told him I was depressed and disappointed that he hadn't noticed and that I thought he had started working on appreciating me more but K coming back and him not having "time" for me made me feel like he was taking me for granted more than ever. And his solution? "Let's take a break... for a week... I can't handle it right now and I'm a **** for taking you for treating you that way. I need to be strong and stay away from you... And I need space to appreciate what I have"
... and then, he stopped talking.

POST-BREAK (first 24 hours):
I. was. devastated. I cried non-stop from when it happened at 7pm until I cried myself to sleep at midnight and cried some more when I woke up at 5am. I couldn't eat and was in so much pain I felt it in my fingertips. Not to mention I'd cried so much it hurt to close my eyes and I had a massive spinning headache... Two of his friends sent me messages out of concern with advice and offers of being there if I needed someone to talk to (M was one of them, the other was G who'd had similar problems in his current 13 month relationship).

I listened to their advice and followed some, asked them to check up on him and tell me how he was doing. Both of them told me that they were completely positive that he'd come back to me, that they knew how special I was to him and to not let it "kill me" although I should probably give him a little space to let it all set in.
Then I did what any desperate dumpee would do and scrounged the internet looking for answers. I stumbled upon NC and decided to give it a try. I lasted 26 hours and decided to send him a message trying to figure out what the rules of contact might be.

Ummmmmm then I guess I'll add more info if someone responds since this is really long...

How long is this break supposed to last?

I loved the part, "I'm a **** for treating you that way. I need to be strong and stay away from you."

Couples who love each other work together to find healing. How is he not going to feel "abandoned and afraid of close relationships" if you aren't in his life?

You couldn't give the guy a week that he asked for. Maybe you over reacted, but honestly, I will wait for more details. He sounds like a young guy trying to decide what direction he wants to head in, which is complicated by events in his life, and needs some time to think. So far any way.

That was basically a paraphrase, I kind of rearranged it... I think when he said "i need to be strong and stay away" he was referencing the first time he asked for a break, when he asked me to take him back after half an hour because he felt sick not having me. I think right now he's just trying to clear his mind and think about the situation logically. He feels like he can't change if he knows he still has me. I am trying to get him to work on some things with me, like I think us reading Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus might help a bit..
But I definitely agree that we should be working on it together because he's not going to overcome the feeling of being abandoned and alone... well... alone. I think I'll give him his week or until K leaves Tuesday to do it his way then try mine..

Where I left off last:
I gave myself 26 hours of no contact before I stupidly followed someone's advice to ask about the rules of this break like:
"ask him how long? set an actual date where the break ends
ask him if seeing other people is okay or not (just make sure it doesn't sound like you want to)
ask how much, if any, contact will be made by either of you."
which I realized the answers to after I had tried to contact him. I had been too busy worrying about the break when he'd proposed it that I'd overlooked what he said about basically all those points although I only asked about the contact thing. Admittedly I may have used it as a weak excuse to talk to him and I feel like I just went back to square one.. His response was "I'm not sure how long. We are broken up right now and I need to let it sit in my stomach" "I thought it was just a break but okay." "For now this is what it is until I can find myself and what I want in the world."
@Talaniman: you're right about his conflicting ideas about what direction he wants to head in. He feels like everyone around him is growing and maturing and that he's been left behind not knowing who he is or what to do. I know he wants to be a police man which I think would encourage him to grow but he doesn't see that as the person he'll be (if that makes sense). He doesn't want his job to be his identity

After I broke the NC I told him I was going back and I'd talk to him in a couple days or he could just decide when to talk to me next.
I'm thinking that maybe I'll not say anything until mid next-week because he had said we'd try the break for a week or I'll wait until the weekend..

At the same time, I don't want to sit idly by and do nothing because I feel like he's struggling and I would love nothing better than to help him even though I know he would refuse it..

Is there anything else I can do?

I hope I'm not being just a fountain of self-pity >_<

I hope I'm not being just a fountain of self-pity >_<
Nope! You were thrown a curve ball and seem to be handling it the way most women would.

I can't imagine how he thinks your absence from his life is going to improve his chances of finding healing and solutions. All of the things you mentioned he's struggling with need time, not the absence of yet another loved one.

I only have suppositions on why he would think that. I know that he is extremely independent and likes doing things himself, he hates exposing weakness (one time we were driving to go see a movie and he was talking about how much he missed Spanky--his 16 year old Norwegian Elkhound-- and how he felt like he was losing everything important to him/from his childhood and when I reached for his hand to comfort him he just kind of jerked his hand away and mumbled that he was driving and later told me that it would have made him feel worse). He feels like he can only do things on his own, or that if he relies on someone else that they might ultimately let him down.
I've been trying to work on this since we got together but with everything that's happened this year he's just kind of pulled back.

Do you know any way I might be able to convince him that I can help too?

it would have made him feel worse). He feels like he can only do things on his own

You're bumping up against the same problem women have trying to get their men into counseling. It's that stubborn male thing, "I can do it myself." It's like a two-year-old trying so hard to be independent and not rely on anyone.

That's how the West was won, but it doesn't work with emotions. Too often I've read in historical novels how the husbands refused to allow their wives to mourn stillborn babies or their young children dying. "They're dead, and there's nothing you can do about it, so forget about them." Of course, the husband buries all the suffering in his heart and won't deal with it, but it eats away at him. Now you understand why women live longer?

if he relies on someone else that they might ultimately let him down

And what if that person doesn't?

What to do? I guess give him the space he wants and don't contact him. Talk to us instead. :)

I don't think you can help him, except to support him from afar. He is in a grieving, as he has had many losses, and changes to his life that makes him very scared basically, and you must give him space to adjust on his own, and not force help he doesn't want or, understands, nor add to his issues with your own problems. He knows this is his issue to deal with, and whatever happens, you have to let him.

I think he will come out of his funk, but in the meantime back off, and do your own thing for you. This helps you cope better, so you can be a positive person should he decide to reach out to someone later. He needs time, and you have to give it to him. Not an easy thing when a loved one is hurt, and suffering, but very necessary.

I'll keep you posted if anything happens. In the meantime I am trying to stay positive. I haven't talked to him directly since last night but he did like one of my statuses on fb. I'm trying to keep busy by reading a book I ordered last week(Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus) and trying to improve my piano skills.

I am also thinking about hanging out with one my gal friends. I don't have a lot of friends because I'm more of an introverted person whereas CP who is extremely sociable/extroverted has A lot. One of the issues we've had in our relationship is me getting upset because he makes his friends a priority over me which I guess he misunderstands as me being mad at him for hanging out with friends and that makes him feel guilty and then he hides it from and yea... miscommunication is an issue I want to work on.

I'm also going to try and make more friends so when he's hanging out with friends I can hang out with mine.
Anyway, thank you for the help so far

Ugh... update
I keep checking his Facebook to see what he's up to and just saw him comment on some girl's photo of her costume for a-kon... All he said was something like "nice, I remember that character" but it still hurt me because I think the girl is a lot prettier than me.. I don't know if he's doing it to do it or if he's doing it to dissuade me from checking it.. but still.
It makes me want to break NC... What do I do?

It makes me want to break NC...What do I do?
No! No! NO!! Don't break NC!! I will cry!!

I'm trying to keep busy by reading a book I ordered last week(Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus) and trying to improve my piano skills.
That book is terrific with some great ideas, but remember while you are reading it that John Gray got his advanced degree through a correspondence school. :D Oprah used to love him, but they had a falling out and she switched over to Dr. Phil. Gray does explain things real well in that book and really found his niche.

Do you play Chopin etudes? I HATED Chopin etudes. Evil finger exercises.

Haha I'm afraid I'm just a beginner and a rusty beginner I might add. Some of the one's I've been practicing are Alfred's (Adult Piano for Beginners) Dream Echoes, Sadness and Sorrow, and the chorus of Fly me to the Moon

What do I do when I feel like breaking contact? The feeling is coming back again...

Turn off the computer!! Go for a walk! Read a book! Play "Fur Elise" on the piano!! Take a bubble bath! Bake brownies!!

I'll try that... Going to attempt to stay off Facebook until tomorrow night or Tuesday when I know that K has left. Wish me luck...

I'll try that...Going to attempt to stay off facebook until tomorrow night or Tuesday when I know that K has left. wish me luck...
No luck. Just stay off FB. But be sure to visit us here. :) I have to make a pan of roasted vegetables, but otherwise will be here.

I kind of want to give him some ground rules/show some backbone that this isn't just his break to do whatever. Would that be okay?
Was thinking of asking one of his friends to "Tell CP to contact me Wednesday and that he needs to have an answer to me by Friday (he referenced a week-long break). I accept his needing time but I want him to actually think and try to change because right now it seems like he's putting it off because K is here and keeps finding distractions. Plus, I think we'd be much better off working it out together. I love him but he needs to give a little and try my way as well."
Do you think I should do this or just let it be?
He sent me a message responding to a question I had last night but I ignored it..

I kind of want to give him some ground rules/show some backbone that this isn't just his break to do whatever. Would that be okay?

No. NC.

Was thinking of asking one of his friends

No. That's contact. NC.

Do you think I should do this or just let it be?

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it beeeeeeeeeeeeee...

He sent me a message responding to a question I had last night but I ignored it..

Good girl. He's asked for time and space. Give it to him.

I think ill just try to sleep now... not doing anything useful by staying up worrying..

I don't know if I can do this much longer... some girls trying to chat him up.

I don't know if I can do this much longer...some girls trying to chat him up.
What are you doing on FB?? You are supposed to be busy with other stuff and not spying on him. If you don't stop, I'm going to have to stand up and come over there!!

I pick up a few things about you, and what's telling, your under current of resentment that he dares have other things besides you to do, your insecurity, and a far amount of neediness, that may well come of as controlling.

While I feel for your situation, I am lousy at feeling pity, when maybe the point of this whole exercise is learning some discipline, and self control, over your own feelings, and personal issues.

Not to be harsh, but I know its blunt, but his Facebook is none of your business any more, and off limits. Think of that when you want to check up on him.

It was an accident >_< Had to restart my browser because it froze and fb is my homepage.
Disappointed in myself because I broke NC to ask him if I could ask a question that I wasn't sure would overstep any current boundaries and he read my mind and said she was just a weird friend.

Asked him if he wanted to go to lunch Friday and he said he wasn't ready. That the last few day's he hasn't gotten any sleep because there's a storm inside him that isn't calming, that he isn't sure who will come out of the storm. That I should assume that he's fighting his battles, he's been sad and depressed the last few days... he apologized for being dramatic about it but he has to take the path he's on regardless of where he ends up.

I told him that I didn't expect him to be my boyfriend again by Friday, that I just wanted to hang out and take it slow and that I support him...

He doesn't want to take anything slow or fast and I'd understand if I lived in his house and heard nothing but his parents yelling in his sleep. He said he'd figure it out but for now I should keep doing what I'm doing (piano and stuff, hanging out with friends) because he doesn't know how long it will take. That he misses me and been so sad and told me to not think I don't care because he does..

Right now I just really want to be there to support him... Helping him get back on his feet and through this "battle" is all I want to do. I think that outweighs my desire to get back together. I know he needs someone right now but should I slip back into NC and wait until he comes to me for help? Our relationship was only a fraction of the reason he wanted a break, I'm now seeing..

Leave the guy alone, let him fight his battles, and you fight your own. His words and actions are very clear.


He said he'd figure it out but for now I should keep doing what I'm doing (piano and stuff, hanging out with friends) because he doesn't know how long it will take.

VERY CLEAR!!

It's been two days since I last looked at his profile or talked to him. Not going to lie and say it's been an easy two days though.. After my last post I didn't get on Facebook in general for 5 hours straight and even now I'm not on it as often. I don't snoop back to see if he posts anything and I'm leaving him alone.

So... time update:
Two Days since we haven't chatted, 5 days since I last heard his voice, 5 days since the break, and 11 since I last saw him.
I hope he's fighting his battles and not distracting himself...

On Monday I decided that instead of staying home and moping I'd go with my sister and some other people to the lake to watch fireworks. There were 10 people total in our group (8 girls, 2 guys. 2 couples) and I guess I knew all of them in some shape or form except one of the girls boyfriends. A couple of the girls were ones who completely annoyed me, being loud and obnoxious... a few of them decided to sing this Katy Perry (I guess) song Fireworks at the top of their lungs and I was glad it was dark.
It went okay. Not much talking (we played some game called Flux that my friend Em brought) but then again I don't think I would have talked much anyway. We could see about 7 different fireworks shows from our spot, which was cool, but it didn't hold a candle to the 4th I spent with CP last year. We were right under the fireworks then (they were so loud) sitting on top of his monster of a car and (not to be mushy) holding hands. I really liked last year... I didn't cry remembering it though. I think I tried to drag some of the happiness of the time into the present.

********bleh typos. I had to go to class so saved what I wrote in a word document, finished writing what I wanted to say, and apparently the quotes and stuff didn't transfer right... ********

"I really needed him before the fireworks show, though I didn't try to contact him. The water hose in the back somehow split which made my dad (who's german and has quite a temper) pissed off which transferred into anger at me for "watering the plants wrong" and unintentionally "getting water from the split in the hose on the furniture outside" and I thought he was going to hit me. But I held back trying to get ahold of CP and handled it myself. I hope that by the weekend he'll have won the battle enough that he'll come back..

I've been reading Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus a lot and its really helped me to see how I can adjust the way I act and stop me from making so many mistakes like trying to help him when he's withdrawing into his "cave". I'm about a third of the way through."



Edited/T

It's been two days since I last looked at his profile or talked to him. Not going to lie and say it's been an easy two days though.
No one said it would be easy. One day at a time. Keep on keeping on. NC. We're here for you.

It's the apostrophes and quote marks that don't travel well from Word to an Internet site. Thanks for cleaning it up in another post.

Still doing NC, still no change from him. I'm going out again tonight, this time with my Japanese Class after finals. I'm really looking forward to it.

Wished our friend G (who talked to me a little and gave some advice when the break first happened) a happy birthday today on fb. His comment was "Thank you very much Key, I hope things are working out with what we talked about." It made me feel better that someone still cared what was going on. Also, I looked on his wall and he's responded to EVERY birthday wish except for CP's (wishing him a happy birthday and wanting to know if he'd like to do something after CP got off at 6) which was posted a couple minutes after mine. I'm a little confused as to why he didn't respond to CP as well..

I know they're really good friends, can anyone tell me why he might do this? Is it his way of showing disapproval for the break? Or do you think he just happened to miss the ONE birthday wish?

I don't want to put a rut between them..

We are not psychics and that's a question for someone else to answer. But I have to say that your version of NO CONTACT could use some improvement. A lot! Like stop the Social Page stalking for information, and hope.

You see how it sends your mind into the confusion of useless questions, assumptions, and speculations?

Stop it!

Yes, sir Tal. I admit my stupidity and am stopping that completely..
And I know this may be a stupid question (answer will probably NC NC NC!)but since he originally said a week should I say something today or on Monday (since I last talked to him on Monday)? Should I give it another week of no Facebook at all (even though since his phone was stolen that's the only way he could get in touch with me)? Or should I just keep waiting until he decides to come back?

I've been doing pretty well I think, only cried once today watching this guy singing Elvis Presley's "Are you Lonesome Tonight". It broke my heart and made me smile at the same time.. Last night I went to eat Japanese food with my class after our final... It was really fun and I think I smiled the entire time ^^. My sister and I ended up getting a comped Tonkatsu appetizer at the first restaurant we went to because the power went out, then we went to a different restaurant and had Salad, Miso, sushi and Green Tea IceCream. I even convinced some to have some eel sushi (he's never had anything but Mexican food). I did mention my boyfriend (should I put a question mark after that? Ex seems more final that a break, and trying to explain the whole thing would take too much time) because one of the girls was saying she realllyyy wanted to learn how to cook Japanese food and I told her that for Valentine's Day I made eel for my boyfriend and that I'd really like to learn how to make curry or gyouza from his grandmother (who is Japanese).

The only thing I kind of disliked about last night was that my japanese teacher invited his girlfriend along and she kind of horrified me. When she walked in I honestly thought it was some drunk woman who'd gotten lost or something but then she made a beeline for our table. She slurred a lot, and to my horror after finding out my sister and I are twins decided to inform us that most men's fantasy is having twins. It made me feel sick >_< anyway, she was distracted so thankfully didn't talk to us long before blubbering on to other people. Also, my sister ended up backing into a truck she apparently didn't see right behind us..
I didn't realize until on the way home but during that time I didn't think about him very much.. I still miss him though. Still waiting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZ1q6qWjvc guy singing Elvis' "Dear are you Lonesome Tonight" >_< I don't know why it didn't transfer over...

YouTube - &#x202a;Damian Mcginty - Are You Lonesome Tonight&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZ1q6qWjvc) guy singing Elvis' "Dear are you Lonesome Tonight"

Gee, let's find ways to make ourselves miserable. How about listening to soul-wrenching music?

Go to YouTube and watch the movie "Green Pastures."

Ah it didn't really make me miserable. Saw it on a show called the Glee Project. The guy, Damian Mcqinty, in the episode felt like his biggest vulnerability was being "numb" and he listened to the song after being assigned to sing it and broke down. He said that it made him feel like he's never felt; apparently at some point during his life he had had to choose between the love of his life and his career as a celtic singer. Him singing the song and knowing that story is what made me cry.
It made me more smile fondly on old memories I think.
And I'll watch the movie.

How much longer should I leave him be?

Continue NC. If he wants you back, he will contact you to tell you that.

I feel like I'm back at square one... I miss him.. he seems perfectly fine. He said a week a week ago and I feel like he's working NC on me. I feel weak and I don't want to be...

This is his party, not yours. He made the break, not you. He calls the shots, not you. He contacts you to reunite, you don't contact him. He doesn't suffer, you do.

Thank you..

I feel so pathetic... Can't even go 5 days not talking to him without breaking down..

I feel so pathetic... Can't even go 5 days not talking to him without breaking down..
You talked to him?

No, didn't talk to him. Almost told his friend what I just posted, but put it here instead..

No, didn't talk to him. almost told his friend what I just posted, but put it here instead..
Whew! Be strong. You don't want us to be mad at you. :D

I think its more out of cowardess that I won't talk to him instead of strength, afraid if I did that I'd lose him for good..

I think its more out of cowardess that I won't talk to him instead of strength, afraid if I did that I'd lose him for good..
We will help you turn your cowardice into strength.

So you are hoping NC will make him miss you?

I don't know.. Hope it helps him do what he needs to do so he can be here when I need him... Think he misses me.. I hope it encourages him to come back. Hope it shows him I can give him space and time if he needs it and shows how much I love him, even though NC hurts..

NC is supposed to hurt, or allow you to feel the hurt, cope with it in productive ways so the healing can start. In this way you can start regaining your strength, and self confidence to make good decisions for yourself, based on facts and not just feelings.

We each have our own timetable, or pace of recovery when good thinking can replace thinking through intense feelings, and most of us don't even recognize the way our feelings make our thoughts, and therefore actions, affect us.

You have been so distracted by your hurt, and consumed by your loss, you haven't been able to see things as clearly as you should. But in time you will stop putting your want for him above your need for yourself, and see the reality of your situation, and then maybe this so perfect mate will be shown to be the not so perfect person he is.

I don't know if you are ready to hear this or not, but its pretty obvious you need him a lot more than he needs you, and it's a BIG red flag when a partner needs space when going through trauma, when most disasters or bad times actually draw healthy couples together, not apart.

That's why you need the time for your dust to settle, to get your objectivity back, and see what was not quite right about this relationship that would lead a partner to push the other away, and destroy the chance to grow together.

When you get your objectivity back, you may find that him not letting you in to support him through his trials is only a symptom of a bigger disconnect, and while hurtful, is no one fault, just the signal that the differences in the two of you is growing. Probably has been for a while. Recent events have just brought what was hidden to light. I think once your objectivity, has come back, and your emotions are under better control, you may see that yourself, and act to protect yourself better. That's what healing brings to us, the ability to see and deal with what life has thrown at us.

That's what NC is really about, coping with yourself, so you can see reality, and make good decisions for yourself.

How do I calm this feeling in the pit of my stomach? Been happening since the break but right now I can't sit still.
I don't know for sure but I think this feeling and my breakdown yesterday are because I'm the type of person who takes time to heart (like when someone says they'll be over in "30 minutes" I expect them to be here after exactly 30 minutes or before or I get really nervous) and because last Friday he'd said "a week".

I'm trying to think objectively and if he does come back I won't let it get to the point where I rely totally on him. I think I might sit him down and try to explain some things and how I'd like them to be different. Also, I don't think I'll give as much to him and stop the neediness, improve my confidence. I hated my feelings this week so I want to improve my self-esteem so I don't feel like that again. And I'll start working on that now when I figure out a way.

Actually, saying that made me feel better :)

*update*

Woke up this morning to two messages..

First message was from my exboyfriend's friend (I'll say ex now... it hurts but I guess it's true until CP comes back, if he does). In the message, his friend told me he'd given CP his old phone and it should be active in a few days if I wanted to contact him.
I told him that I didn't want to push CP to comeback. The break was his choice, he chooses when to end it and when to talk to me.

The second message accompanied by a friend request was from a guy who has been chasing me since freshman year of high school, JC (come fall I'll be a college sophomore). What he had to say was that we could "at least" be friends and that he needed me in his life. Which is funny because the last time he tried to add me in May he said he would *never* get over me (my condition for being friends). He's the kind of guy who when I talked about my (now ex) boyfriend that would tell me to act like he didn't exist. I never complied with this and finally kicked him after he went on a Facebook status rant about me and his cousin called me a "ba po" (which means something akin to "*****" in Cantonese). I deleted him for good after asking his cousin on the status "if I'm such a ba po, why would I have to get him to stay away from meth and into rehab when DK (JCs brother) called me in the middle of the night scared out of his mind JC was going to do something stupid?" This had happened a year or so before.
Anyway, when I saw JCs message I responded that if CP came back I'd consider being friends. Fairly certain DK told JC I'd been "single" for a week and trying to "at least be friends" was JCs way of trying to take advantage of my supposed vulnerability, which I don't feel, and be a rebound guy.

Anyway, sorry for the massive rant.

You're doing well. Continue the NC. No, don't be a rebound (JC). It's time to circle the wagons around yourself and get yourself strong and happy and be the beautiful person we know you are.

Ah I wasn't going to rebound >_< I just got the impression that JC's desperate enough that he'd approach me wanting to be my friend in order to take advantage of the situation. Like I said, I don't feel the need to be comforted by a guy. In that way I think I am less insecure (tal called me on being insecure) than I used to be because a year or so ago I probably would have talked to another guy or bought what JC said.

I'm going to assume that the two of you would object to me leaving him a message tomorrow asking if he needs more time?

I'm going to assume that the two of you would object to me leaving him a message tomorrow asking if he needs more time?
You know us well!!

Of course, it's your life and your choice. I personally believe your calling him would be a big mistake.

If you aren't hearing from him, what is that telling you?

Why should you leave him a message? Hasn't his silence and absence told you something you need to know?

Okay, you want to do this the hard way, call him and tell him "times up shat or get off the pot".

If you are going to break NC, at least don't half step about it!!

Not hearing from him might tell me that he needs more time or that he really doesn't want to talk to me/have anything to do with me.

My idealistic, hypothetical, stupidly hopeful response as to why I might send him a message:
The way I see it is that if I sent him a message then he could choose whether to reply or not. So there's a 50/50 chance that he replied because he wanted to reply depending on how he'd respond and how many times. If he responded kindly and asked how I was doing, etc, then I could suppose that he's grateful without words that I've been giving him time (especially if he told me how he was doing, if he was getting better or not)and he may be genuinely curious as to how I am.

Regardless, what do I really have to lose by trying to talk? Yes, he may completely reject me but if he were intending to do that anyway... wouldn't it be better to know that now instead of waiting and pining away any longer so I can truly force myself to get back up on my feet?

Anyway, completely hypothetical. Still trying to decide whether to do it or not.

Wake up call-I think you consider yourself rejected and get on with your life.

The limbo stage of the so called breaks is not a good place to be.

Find the selfrespect needed to let this go and leave him to his ''breaks''.

Its up to you how you proceed, but you HAVE been rejected already. Give it more thought.

I got weak and broke NC last night. Called him but thankfully he didn't answer.. Sent him a message on fb saying "Sorry for calling, i shouldn't have. just wanted to say thank you for the last 2 years. I'm sorry it got so bad you had to indirectly dump me and i'm sorry for being so stupid I didn't see it til now. I guess I was so scared of rejection that I ignored it when it happened. So now I'm facing it. Goodbye."

Dramatic, yes.. but again, weak state.

I wasn't really expecting a reply and JC (guy who's be chasing me for 5 years who contacted me the other week wanting to "at least be friends" and who is sadly the only person I have to talk to) said I should probably hope I wouldn't get one because I wouldn't want it. He's probably been making me more confused and depressed the past week than I would be on my own because I'll say something to him, needing to talk to a friend, and then he'll make me feel even more ****ty since I've been rejecting him for 5 years. Rejecting him with good reason, he's fairly unstable and has said some really terrible things to me in the past. In the process of trying to find someone else to talk to.

Anyway... I looked this morning and saw that I had received a message. Of course wasn't really expecting anything good and still don't know what to make of the one I got:
"Key, I'm not indirectly dumping you... I want to hang out soon. Just dont be depressed, okay?
Its just right now what i need is to change myself. And I dont know what I'll want in the end..
Just for now do whatever you want. I need time. If you want to move on from me then do it. But understand im going through something that I need to go through for myself and for other people. Date do whatever. Hopefully I'll see you soon though."

Anyway, don't really know what to make of it. Is he saying he didn't dump me? And about the dating thing; I've told him a couple times that I have no intention of dating anyone. In fact, guys are really the last thing on my mind right now. I don't know what he's doing though, I haven't asked because I guess it's none of my business anymore, but he's said that he wasn't thinking about it.
So... still waiting for a change. In the meantime: removing pictures from phone and putting away some of the things he's given me that are really important to me. I'm giving him time but I'll also use that time for myself to kind of get back up on my feet and make myself better for the future, whether it's with him or not.

The change has to come from within you-not from anyone or anywhere else.

Make n e w friends and don't hang out with depressive people with hidden agendas.

And go back to NC.

Anyway, don't really know what to make of it.
Yes you do. Its over, but you haven't accepted that FACT!


Is he saying he didn't dump me?
No he is saying its over!! Of course he dumped you! How can you read anything else into it?

"Key, I'm not indirectly dumping you... I want to hang out soon. Just dont be depressed, okay?
Its just right now what i need is to change myself. And I dont know what I'll want in the end..Just for now do whatever you want. I need time. If you want to move on from me then do it. But understand I'm going through something that I need to go through for myself and for other people. Date do whatever. Hopefully I'll see you soon though."

You seem to have heard only the blue highlighted text, and ignored the red. The blue is what gives you false hope, the red is the facts.


and about the dating thing; I've told him a couple times that I have no intention of dating anyone. In fact, guys are really the last thing on my mind right now.
He doesn't care what you do, he said that. If he doesn't care, its over for sure.


I don't know what he's doing though, I haven't asked because I guess it's none of my business anymore, but he's said that he wasn't thinking about it.
All that matters is what you do for yourself.


So... still waiting for a change.
Stop waiting and make changes on the things you can control, and that's you, your thinking, and your actions.


In the meantime: removing pictures from phone and putting away some of the things he's given me that are really important to me.
That's a great start in a good plan of action... so far. NO CONTACT with him is the NEXT step you have to keep.


I'm giving him time but I'll also use that time for myself to kind of get back up on my feet and make myself better for the future, whether it's with him or not.
That would be a good step in the right direction... for now, until you can stop waiting for him.