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michelle41
Jun 22, 2011, 02:52 AM
Don't know what is the matter with my dog he want eat turns his head away all the time he is drinking when he tries to eat its like he has sore throat when he tries to swollow he spits it back out can't afford to take him to vet or less they let me pay it up
tickle
Jun 22, 2011, 03:58 AM
We can't tell you what is wrong with your dog. Hard to diagnose from a description. How old is your dog, what kind of dog is he?
The only thing I can suggest is a vet visit.
Aurora_Bell
Jun 22, 2011, 08:44 AM
It could be anything from a blockage to allergies. There is no way for us to diagnose him like Tick mentioned. Owning pets does cost money, and that's something you will need to work out with your vet. One thing for sure, is you can not let him suffer. Try to make payment arrangements, or you may need to surrender him so he can get the health care and medical he deserves and needs. I am not trying to sound harsh, but your description is very vague. It could be his age and him being a picky eater, he could have Parvo, he could could have a bad infestation of worms, he could have a blockage in his throat or intestines, or he could have something lodged in his tongue or gums.
In the mean time, keep him hydrated, make sure he has access to fresh water 24/7. Is this something that has just occurred or has he always been a picky eater? How many days has he gone with out eating? Have your tried bland meals, such as boiled rice and burger or chicken? Have your tried soft foods?
I am sorry none of us can pin point what is wrong, we would all love to help your pup, but when a drastic change in behavior or health happens, it's best to seek medical advice from a vet.
paleophlatus
Jun 23, 2011, 12:23 AM
Sounds like he may have a major tooth ache, or something stuck between a tooth or other foreign object in his mouth. Maybe something sharp that has gotten stuck in his throat, or into his cheek from the inside?
Many weird things have been taken out of a dog's mouth, or throat. Getting a needle stuck in the throat or back of the mouth is not unheard of. If he will let you open his mouth and have a look, you may be able to see something. A piece of bone, often chicken, can get stuck between teeth, or a broken tooth ?
If you can't find anything or otherwise get him out of his misery, you will have to find a vet to examine him. Call different vets and explain the problem. Hopefully there are still some vets that will think of the animal foremost, before money.
Best wishes.
michelle41
Jun 23, 2011, 03:52 AM
He is 2 years collie/ spanial he is drinking plenty water and I gave him rice and milk last night he drank all the milk and left some rice my son takes him for walk and he runs and jumps about when he brings him back he want eat just drinks
michelle41
Jun 23, 2011, 03:53 AM
Thank you he is getting a little bit better now just eating little but drinking plenty
michelle41
Jun 23, 2011, 03:55 AM
That's what I thought he is eating little bits now not much but still drinking plenty
Aurora_Bell
Jun 23, 2011, 04:34 AM
Skip the milk, dogs can't digest cow's milk. Just stick with fresh water. Glad to hear is getting better.
paleophlatus
Jun 23, 2011, 03:58 PM
Since your post about his activity, it is also possible that he had something in his mouth like a stick, and ran into something, or the stick dragged on the ground for just an instant and jabbed him in the back of his mouth, causing a moderate scrape, or abrasion. Drinking would make it feel better, and if he is willing to eat now, he is hungry enough that 'it doesn't hurt quite as bad', plus, it may be healing enough to relieve some of the pain.
How do you act when you have a really sore throat?
paleophlatus
Jun 23, 2011, 04:05 PM
And, if he has been drinking milk off and on for some time without developing any diarrhea as a result, it isn't going to harm him now.
This would be a good idea IF he hadn't had any milk since he was a pup and had lost all the bacteria that digest the lactose. Then he would be intolerant of lactose and have diarrhea for a day or so just to prove it.
Alty
Jun 23, 2011, 04:16 PM
Michelle, please keep in mind that no one on this site can see your dog, therefore no one can give you an accurate diagnosis. Please don't take any of the posts as a definite diagnosis, as that's not possible to do over the internet, even by a licensed vet.
Paleo, please see the guidelines for posting in the pet forum. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/read-before-posting-dogs-forum-501894.html
Your best bet is always to see the vet. The above are just guesses, and guesses should never be taken as fact.
I wish you all the best. :)
Aurora_Bell
Jun 23, 2011, 05:29 PM
I always avoide most dairy products all together, it's really not good for them. If you really must feed milk, try something low in lactose, like skim or lactose free milk.
Lactose is actually a kind of sugar… not just one single sugar… but two sugar molecules chemically linked together.In order for a dog to digest milk… the lactose must first be broken apart into its two more basic… and easy-to-absorb… sugars.
And that’s just it. A dog’s body must be able to produce its own special lactose-splitting enzyme… an enzyme known as lactase.
And that’s one thing very few dogs can reliably do. Dogs are inherently lactose-intolerant. ( Just finished this study in biology and wrote the exam on Wednesday :) )
paleophlatus
Jun 23, 2011, 06:42 PM
I agree, no diagnosis to be made. For clarification, what diagnosis, not just opinion, have I given?
Alty
Jun 23, 2011, 07:28 PM
I agree, no diagnosis to be made. For clarification, what diagnosis, not just opinion, have I given?
Since your post about his activity, it is also possible that he had something in his mouth like a stick, and ran into something, or the stick dragged on the ground for just an instant and jabbed him in the back of his mouth, causing a moderate scrape, or abrasion
No, you didn't say "This is what the dog has", but you didn't really leave any room for anything else. In fact, your posts made it sound like this is what's going on. At least that's how most people would read it, especially someone that's worried about their dog.
When we post in the pet section it's good to give options, if you think you know what's going on, but remember, the people that come here for advice see "It's likely this", and that's all they hear. They hear that the dog will be fine, and they don't read that a vet appointment is still needed, because they've gotten a diagnosis here. It's dangerous.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to help, or offer opinions, but we should be careful how we word things so that there's no doubt in the OP's mind that we're not making a diagnosis, we're just guessing, which is all anyone can do on the internet. :)
tickle
Jun 24, 2011, 03:45 AM
I think we are missing something here, if you check paleo's profile you will find he is a retired vet.
Tick
Aurora_Bell
Jun 24, 2011, 03:48 AM
Regardless if he is a vet or not (anyone can say they are anything online), we CAN'T diagnose animals online! Can you imagine if I told an OP her dog was fine, just ate too much, when in reality he had stomach cancer or something equally lethal, and the OP decided against going to the vet because of my online diagnosis?
We have human doctor and nurses on the site who don't diagnose, we should follow the same rules.
tickle
Jun 24, 2011, 02:35 PM
Sounds like he may have a major tooth ache, or something stuck between a tooth or other foreign object in his mouth. Maybe something sharp that has gotten stuck in his throat, or into his cheek from the inside?
Many weird things have been taken out of a dog's mouth, or throat. Getting a needle stuck in the throat or back of the mouth is not unheard of. If he will let you open his mouth and have a look, you may be able to see something. A piece of bone, often chicken, can get stuck between teeth, or a broken tooth ?
Best wishes.
I have actually had to deal with some of these in years passed. Brook, (paleo she is a houndX but her face looks like a staffy, but nothing fits on her body, she is several different breeds gone crazy, but she is a beauty) just the other day, ran down the sundeck stairs with a stick poking out of her mouth and I crossed my fingers she would make it before it rammed down her throat. She just loves raiding the wood pile and I have scour the lawn for logs and such before cutting.
Lucky098
Jun 24, 2011, 02:38 PM
I thought dogs got no nutritional value from milk?? Especially cows milk..
tickle
Jun 24, 2011, 02:43 PM
Regardless if he is a vet or not (anyone can say they are anything online), we CAN'T diagnose animals online!! Can you imagine if I told an OP her dog was fine, just ate too much, when in reality he had stomach cancer or something equally lethal, and the OP decided against going to the vet because of my online diagnosis?
We have human doctor and nurses on the site who don't diagnose, we should follow the same rules.
I was waiting for the backlash from my comment, and I think paleo knows by now he can't diagnose and I really didn't read where he did actually diagnose and suggested a vet visit.
I totally agree so don't actually jump down my throat about it, okay.
Tick
tickle
Jun 24, 2011, 02:46 PM
I thought dogs got no nutritional value from milk??? Especially cows milk..
No they don't Lucky but it does taste really good to them ! Brook gets it every now and then and, really, have not noticed any ill effects from her drinking milk, same with my Taffy. On the farm dogs would always get their fair share of the milk pail, lick out the dregs, so to speak. It will give a very young dog a lot of gas and bloating though so not cool to give it to pups.
Tick
paleophlatus
Jun 24, 2011, 03:20 PM
Respectfully, Yes, they do--providing they can digest it, which as pups they can, for a while. If it isn't digested, it comes out in a 'rush', which is correctly called an intolerance to lactose. But, not seeing that, it has been de-constructed (digested) into it's basic chemical components, absorbed, and utilized by the body. Forget not that there is more than lactose in milk... it also has proteins and fats. Ergo, it then has provided nutritional value. Dogs do not have the capability of producing the missing digestive enzyme lactase in their intestinal cells. Humans do. Dogs rely on symbiotic organisms (Lactobacilli) to provide this service... they digest (break down) the lactose into sucrose and galactose. Bacteria other than Lactobacilli don't completely utilize the lactose, and result in making gas as a byproduct of their incomplete reaction with lactose. The leftover sugars then draw water, from the body, which results in some degree of osmotic diarrhea.
Alty
Jun 24, 2011, 03:25 PM
Any further discussion about the topic of diagnosing on the pet forum should be discussed on this thread that I started.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/diagnosing-wording-posts-dog-forum-583883.html
Since this thread has been completely hijacked, and the OP has been given accurate advice, I will close this thread.
If anyone wishes to discuss milk intake in dogs, or other medical issues not related to this thread, I suggest starting a thread for that discussion.
If the OP wishes to have this thread re-opened she can PM me. :)
Thanks.