My ex-partners mother smokes around 30 cannbis joints a day. She has 4 children under 5 and I am worried about their welfare. She chooses to buy her drugs instead of things for them. Also,I am worried when my partner takes our son to see her - she is a bad role-model for him. Should I report her to social services or am I overreacting? And should I stop my son seeing her?

Take any concerns you have about your son and where your ex takes him back to Family Court.
Your worries about his mother and her children need to be left to him and his relatives.

Call the police. Report her for illegal drug use.

Then call social services and report your concerns for her children.

THEN you may have to go back to court to modify the visitation agreement so that your ex cannot take your child to see his mother.

Have you been there to count these 30 joints a day? Do you know if it was or was not prescribed?
I don't think this is DIRECTLY OP's concern other than to keep her son from the home if that is what she wants.

It's hard to advise what to do in this situation. As joypulv points out, it could be occurring in a legal state. The grandmother might have a disease or other ailment that requires medicinal marijuana and she has a prescription.

As Synnen points out, it could be illegal, the grandmother may have an illegal addiction that should be reported to the authorities.

Either way, we need more info from the OP. But, if you're really concerned, why not report it to the authorities (whichever entity is most appropriate)? If the grandmother has a prescription and is legally allowed to smoke, then the authorities will figure that out. Likewise if it's illegal and the grandmother is putting her family in danger.

I would just advise that you're careful not to act hastily and damage relations between the two families for the sake of your child. Best of luck to you.

[CENTER]My ex-partners mother smokes around 30 cannbis joints a day. She has 4 children under 5 and I am worried about their welfare. Hello b:

She may not be a very good mother, but it's not because she smokes pot. Having her children split up, put in foster care, and her being prosecuted are FARRRR worse than smoking pot.

Were you SOOO adamant about not having your son visit when your ex WASN'T your ex? I'll bet it didn't bother you so much then. Certainly, grandma just didn't start toking up. Like MOST people who ask questions like yours, you have ULTERIOR motives.

excon

I would just like to point out that 30 joints a day is EXCESSIVE. That's a LOT of pot.

Anyone smoking THAT MUCH under a medical marijuana prescription is probably in end-stage cancer and about to die any day.

I sincerely doubt this is the case.

I am a member of NORML. BUT--I don't think that people should use pot excessively around children any more than I think people should DRINK excessively around children.

I stand by my LEGAL answer.

joypulv does not find this helpful : Medical pot is allowed in 14 states and DC. Dozens more are considering it. It has been decriminalized in several more. And OP, as far as I can tell, hasn't been there to count 30 joints.


I invite you to read the site rules pertaining to when you are allowed to gave a not helpful to anyone.

Site rules state only inaccurate information is allowed for a reddie... not opinion. And your Reddie was factually inaccurate and based on opinion.


Incidentally, Federal Law supercedes any State or Local stoner law and can NOT be ignored. You can STILL end up in a Federal Prison for use and Possession... or even longer for distributing or intent to distribute.

I replied a while ago again and it disappeared? I know I saw it.
My response was to a SIMPLE question about 'Is this legal' and now that sentence is GONE from the original post.
What is going on here?
Extremely upsetting after being negged by califdad.

I replied a while ago again and it disappeared? I know I saw it.
My response was to a SIMPLE question about 'Is this legal' and now that sentence is GONE from the original post.
What is going on here?
Extremely upsetting after being negged by califdad.

Smoking POT is Illegal under every Federal Statute that exists. And Federal Statutes supercede ANY local or State law when there is a conflict. And the Federal law can be and is inforced even if some stomers try to pass a local law allowing it.

That's reality... thats a fact.

And smoking Pot around the kids SHOULD be reported to the Authorities... Specifically the Feds... I would do it in that situation. It's a situation the Kids should never be exposed to. And having known countless stoners in my life personally. With heavy usage (even a tiny fraction of that number), there WILL be neglect taking place.

Any pot smoking is excessive, from a legal point of view (unless medically prescribed, in some places); but it does seem that 30/day is extremely abnormal. The direct harm to the children would include second-hand smoke. Tobacco, cannabus, they are all bad, health-wise, from that perspective.

I know the federal law. My comment that was negged was as accurate as Synnen's.

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I know the federal law. My comment that was negged was as accurate as Synnen's.

I wholely disagree... NO local statute ever pre-empts a federal statute. ANd Federal Law on illegal drugs is very clear on the topic. And Pot is illegal under federal law.

Argue it otherwise in a federal court and you will lose every time.

Why are people assuming that OP is reporting the facts?
I don't like the idea of calling the cops on this mother.
I know marijuana law.
I stand by my opinion that dealing with the 'crime' itself is for the ex partner to deal with in regards to HIS mother.

I have twice in my life been charged with something I didn't do.

Babygirl, more background would be helpful.

Would you please supply enough of your location to know whose legal system has jurisdiction?

How old is your child?

Is there a current court order for visitation?

Are these her children or other people's children she has taken in?

Is there anyone else in the home who helps her take care of these children? Is she the primary or only caregiver?

Have you talked to your ex about your concerns? Is this a 'recent' issue or one that has been on going?

I have to wonder if she is sober enough to take care of four children under five years of age. Legal or not, medical or not isn't much of a defense when it comes to neglect, child endangerment, etc. A person who is high is just as dangerous as person who is drunk when it comes to the welfare of children.

Why are people assuming that OP is reporting the facts?
I don't like the idea of calling the cops on this mother.
I know marijuana law.
I stand by my opinion that dealing with the 'crime' itself is for the ex partner to deal with in regards to HIS mother.

I have twice in my life been charged with something I didn't do.

If you "KNOW" the Mariguanna law... then you "KNOW" that's its illegal under Federal law, which applies everyplace, regardless of what some localities might want to think.


And the fact is a Stoner , particularly one who smokes a couple joints a day ISN'T in any position to be taking care of children... much less someone that's stoned out of their mind... and anything approaching a fraction of 30 a day will do it. And today's pot is far stronger than the pot of 30 years ago was on top of that.

If they drank 30 beers a day (heck even 12)... would that be OK... what about a Fifth of Vodka... or Whiskey? What if they were on Meth... or Heroin... what about crack?

Or do you want to wait until the lives of those kids are irreversibly damaged... or someone ends up in a hospital or the morgue? What point does "acceptible" become 'unacceptible" when mood altering substances are involved.

smoothy finds this helpful: 30 a day is horrific for cigarettes... much less illegal drugs. Being they are also unfiltered... I see lung cancer in their immediate future.Hello smoothy:

Certainly, if marijuana killed people, I'd think like you. However, not one single person has ever died from smoking pot - NOT ONE.

If you choose to make legal pronouncements about the people who use it, you SHOULD know the health risks. You don't.

Excon

Why are people assuming that OP is reporting the facts?


I just want to address this part Joy.

We can only give answers based on what the OP tells us.

We have to base our responses on the info provided. You may not believe it, you may think the OP is stretching the truth or fabricating things completely, but that doesn't mean you can give advice contrary to what was posted.

The OP stated the grandmother smokes 30 joints a day. Unless the OP comes back and says that it's far less then that, that's the info everyone posting here has to go by.

If the OP is lying and she follows the advice given here, advice based on what she told us, then she will be the one to suffer the consequences. We have to assume that the OP is giving us the exact facts so that she can get the most accurate legal advice available.

Hello smoothy:

Certainly, if marijuana killed people, I'd think like you. However, not one single person has ever died from smoking pot - NOT ONE.

If you choose to make legal pronouncements about the people who use it, you SHOULD know the health risks. You don't.

excon

I do agree that marijuana isn't as bad as people think, but I don't agree that people that smoke pot should be allowed to do so in front of their children.

It's not a responsible thing to do. Heck, I've gotten high just being in a room with people that were smoking pot even though I never took a drag . Can you imagine young children being subjected to 30 joints a day?

It's almost like having a beer and giving some to your child. It's not acceptable.

Hello again:

30 joints is a lot. How many are OK? What's the minimum she can smoke before she gets ratted on?

excon

Hello again:

30 joints is a lot. How many are ok? What's the minimum she can smoke before she gets ratted on?

excon

For me it's not the number of joints she's smoking that's the main issue.

If she's smoking in front of the kids, that's the issue to me. If she wants to do pot then that's on her, but the kids don't have a choice. The least she can do is take it outside. There's no way she's doing that if she's smoking 30 joints a day and caring for all of these kids.

Thirty is excessive, and I don't see how she can be a good mom when she's stoned 24/7, which she must be if she's smoking that much.

I don't have a minimum number to offer.

If she smokes even one joint in front of her kids, that's when I'd rat her out.

If she has a few a day, but doesn't do it in front of her kids, continues to care for her children properly, then I don't have a problem.

Hello smoothy:

Certainly, if marijuana killed people, I'd think like you. However, not one single person has ever died from smoking pot - NOT ONE.

If you choose to make legal pronouncements about the people who use it, you SHOULD know the health risks. You don't.

exconIt causes cancer... And that Fedral Law has been on the books for far longer than I've been alive.

Marijuana kills people just like anything else you might smoke. Tobacco included. And not just from cancer... from accidents caused while your reflexes are impared while under the influence. Just the same as it does to drunks. I don't drink heavily beyond a glass of wine or a beer with dinner sometimes... and I never smoke... anything.

THeere is ABSOLUTELY ZERO proof marijuana has never killed anyone. ANd if you wish to make that claim... you better back it up with studies that are independent and not funded by, taken by, or influuenced by drug users.

Because Even Water... will kill you.

It causes cancer.....Hello again, smoothy:

I see you offer NO proof whatsoever except your flapping gums...

excon

THIS IS WAY OFF TOPIC.

Take the discussion of cannibis to another board.

On THIS thread, can we please stick to the LEGAL options the OP has regarding stopping her ex's mother from smoking pot around her child?

On THIS thread, can we please stick to the LEGAL options the OP has Hello again, Synn:

The legal options aren't always the best options. We're not robots here.

excon

Excon,

I know that---but this is on the LEGAL boards

It'll end up closed if we don't stay on topic and answer the OP rather than debating with each other.

Hello again, smoothy:

I see you offer NO proof whatsoever except your flapping gums...

excon

You started it ex... The Federal law is on the Books... prove it isn't. And Prove a Federal law doesn't pre-empt all lower laws. Anything else is immaterial. And we are talking Children's welfare here... CPS WILL take thse kids when they become aware of the situation. As well they should. No kids should be in a house with guardians who have substance abuse issues of any kind.

1) Take any concerns you have about your son and where your ex takes him back to Family Court.


2) Your worries about his mother and her children need to be left to him and his relatives.

** I edited the quote by adding numbered lines so this will be easier to follow. **


1) You got this part right. These concerns need to be taken up in a courtroom. Where you didn't get it is that if the child/children are in immediate danger then you must act in the best interest of the child. Its not about waiting for a judge. Even exparte orders take time.




2) You got this part wrong. As stated by the OP their child is around the person of concern. That raises the red flag and is automatic to having the OP involved in the situation. So its not just kept in the ex's family. Its up to the OP to act responsibly.



My ex-partners mother smokes around 30 cannbis joints a day. She has 4 children under 5 and I am worried about their welfare. She chooses to buy her drugs instead of things for them. Also,I am worried when my partner takes our son to see her - she is a bad role-model for him. Should I report her to social services or am I overreacting? And should I stop my son seeing her?




As far as the OP is concerned there is a direct responsibility to act even if not involved in illegal drugs. If the person doing the consuming is to be left with the child it would be irresponsible paranting to allow it. A court would act on that point alone. Impaired is impaired. The Op has every right to restrict such behavior around their child.


To OP: Act accordingly. Be responsible for your child. If your child is being put in danger or at risk then its up to you to change that situation. As far as the other children involved in this matter if the drugs are knowingly illegal then you must act as a responsible citizen or be culpable for any actions that occur from knowing what's going on.

Hello b:

She may not be a very good mother, but it's not because she smokes pot. Having her children split up, put in foster care, and her being prosecuted are FARRRR worse than smoking pot.


excon

Here is where we part ways. If a person is on drugs of any kind for medical reasons or recreational use then so be it. But if the drugs are abused then maybe it might be best to have a wake up call rather then steal the childhoods completely away from the kids. It is mentioned by the OP that they are buying drugs rather then buying needed items for the household. If that is the case and abuse is occurring then its time for intervention.

If that is the case and abuse is occuring then its time for intervention.Hello again, dad:

There's no parting of the ways. I have no problem with an intervention... That's distinctly different than snitching on them... Or, did you mean what I hope you didn't mean?

excon

Hello again, dad:

There's no parting of the ways. I have no problem with an intervention... That's distinctly different than snitching on them... Or, did you mean what I hope you didn't mean?

excon

What I mean is whatever it takes to correct the situation. If the person doesn't allow for voluntary intervention then other steps may have to be taken for their and everyone's good. Its sad but sometimes that is what it takes to correct a bad situation.

The reason I took this 'story' with only a few grains of salt from the get go is that I don't believe that the grandma can AFFORD 30 JOINTS A DAY UNLESS SHE'S GROWING IT HERSELF. Do you know how much you get for say $50 these days? Not even close to enough for 30. But even at 50/day, that's $1500 month.
I don't believe that OP has ever seen grandma smoke anything 30 times a day.
Her question about turning grandma in, I believe called for an opinion, and it was and still is my opinion that the ex, grandma's son, should be the one getting the facts straight before calling the cops.

I got negged for that, and negged back. First time I've done so, and it was justified.
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