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sharon1984
Feb 25, 2011, 07:33 AM
Dr.Zakir said that the Bible is only for israel people and for that specific time but in the bible god has revealed the second coming of the jesus and the signs to come similar to quran such as 666 and most of the things are coming true... so don't you think that bible is not only for that period but is valid till today and also for the future?

hauntinghelper
Mar 1, 2011, 06:07 PM
Anybody who says the bible was only for those during which it was written... simply does not know what the bible says. I'm trying to be polite, but I don't even know how somebody could say that if they have even a BASIC understanding of it. I think this Zakir is a Muslim? I find it odd that he is even trying to compare the Quran and the bible. They do NOT compare.

But, to answer your question... you could almost say the bible is MORE for today than it was when the books were written.

AbuBakr_Fin
Mar 8, 2011, 10:32 AM
The thing is that according to all the Islamic evidence our beloved Prophet The Messiah `Iisaa Son of Maryam was sent only to the children of Israaiil, as were other Prophets -peace be upon them all- sent only to their own nations, except The Seal of The Prophets -may God elevate his mentioning, and end him Peace- who was sent to all mankind until The Hour, which means the end of the world.
All Prophets have been given knowledge of the unseen, and they have foretold future. The signs of the coming of The Hour are among those things. One of those signs was the coming of Muhammad -peace be upon him- and it has been taken out from the Bible due to an effort to hide The truth, but some signs are still there, but the one where his name "Ahmad" was mentioned by the Son of Maryam is not. The sign of a false Prophet according to The Bible is that his prophecies don`t come true. If you studied about the history and what Muhammad -sAaws- has said will happen, you would know exactly where we`re going. The second coming of `Iisaa son of Maryam is among the greater Signs of The Hour, as is the coming of Ad-Dajjaal, the `Fake Messiah`, or Antichrist before him, and this is all part of muslims belief.
The purpose is not to negate The revelations before. Allaah has said that He revealed This Book (The Holy Quran) as a guidance to those who love and fear Him much, who believe in the unseen (like Himself, His angels, The Day of Resurrection and all that His Messengers have told us), and establish the Solaah -prayers- and from what He has nourished them with, they give and share, and THOSE BELIEVE IN WHAT WAS REVEALED DOWN UPON HIM (MUHAMMAD) AND IN WHAT WAS REVEALED BEFORE HIM, AND IN THE HEREAFTER THEY HAVE CERTAINTY OF FAITH. And this is in the beginning of the second chapter in The Quran. Check it out. And this concept of believing in the Books is all over the Quran that it`s a preriquisite of faith.
Do you understand the difference? It doesn`t mean we don`t believe that The Bible isn`t true. It`s been twisted by men, that`s another thing. It`s just that when a Messenger is sent to a people from God confirming that, which was sent down upon them, they must follow him. And it abrogates what was revealed before. So if there were times (of which you find examples in The Bible) when the Son of Maryam did something which was not according to the understanding of The Toorah of those who disbelieved in him, then they were mistaken and their faith was of no use for them, because when Allaah sent to them `Iisaa Ibn Maryam -Peace be upon him- he WAS to them the `way, truth and the life`, as have all Messengers always been to the people they were sent to. So who disbelieves in one of the Messengers, has disbelieved inall of them, as if someone disbelieves in a part of The Book (any original Book of Allaah) has disbelieved in all of it, and is truly a disbeliever.

Don`t just rely upon what people say. Take your most original, trustworthy translation of The Bible, find a good translation of The Quran, and read them, and ask for guidance of your Creator, Who Alone has the knowledge of every sigle matter in the heavens and the earth, and has full power over them, and He responds to those who call upon Him.

It`s true they don`t compare. The Bible doesn`t name itself as a Book of God, unlike The Quran. So people, who claim that it is have nothing to bring as their proof. The fact is it`s writings of men and translations of long lost speech of some of Allaah`s Messengers. They don`t put together equal any authentic Revelation from God -wether it is the torah revealed to Moses, Psalms revealed to David, or the Gospel revealed to Jesus, or The Quran revealed to Muhammad -peace be upon them- and the believers believe in them all. The Bible doesn`t equal any of those original words of Allaah.

He will judge you one Day, and then you`ll wish you had made Him a judge of your affairs in stead of elevating yourself. We do need to pray for Him. As a muslim I ask His guidance minimum 17 times a day in 5 prayers. Those who are arrogant and turn away from worshiping Him will enter Hell disgraced.
Thank God He has given me the ability to make Him my Judge.

And just to answer your question: yes the Bible is a relevant Book, and we respect it, and it should be preserved until `Iisaa son of Maryam returns, because He will kill Anti-Christ and judge by The Qur-an, then the Bible won`t be of use anymore, because The Truth will be evident to all. But until that there are existing people who are sincere and believe in God Alone among jews and christians, but the Truth has not become obvious to them yet. In The Qur-an there`s an order to make jihad in order to protect synagogs and monastries and churches (22:40). I bet you thought it`s the opposite.

hauntinghelper
Mar 8, 2011, 12:45 PM
We don't need to pray about things that are obvious. God has given us the ability to judge on our own.

AbuBakr_Fin
Mar 18, 2011, 05:41 PM
That statement is only a proof of your arrogant disbelief in your Lord by making yourself the supreme judge above Him.