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Grandparent
Feb 12, 2011, 09:51 PM
If you're the supervisor in the supervised visitation and you let the parent leave with the child unsupervised what happens to the supervisor?

GV70
Feb 13, 2011, 01:49 AM
If it is court ordered, the supervisor may be held in contempt.Another question is whether the CP may transfer the case to paid supervisors... For example in Pa it is about $150/h and it must be paid by the NCP.

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 07:36 AM
Also the CP, can then not let the supervisor function as the supervisor. By the name you chose I suspect you are the child's grandparent. So another consequence could be the CP's limiting the time you have to spend with the child.

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 08:21 AM
What if the supervisor is a family member! And they are suppose to be there the hole time but isn't, They let them take the child any where the want.This is not a paid position it's a family court appointed supervisor.They have proof this is being done!

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 08:43 AM
It would help us help you if you tell us the WHOLE story in the beginning. Included what your relationship is to the situation.

Again, if a supervisor is not doing what they are supposed to its up to the Custodial Parent (and no one else) to bring this to the attention of the court. The custodial parent CAN refuse to turn the child over to the supervisor or the NCP when in the presence of the supervisor) if they believe the supervisor is not doing their duty. But the CP will need proof and should bring an action in court before doing so.

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 09:51 AM
I'm the grandparent, and my daughter is the cp.The NCP's father is the supervisor of the visitations.he was appointed my family court mediator, Who happens to be friends with the ncp father? When my daughter tries to tell them what's happening they tell her she's a bad mother and that she is unfit and uncooperative. My daughter has another son that's autistic and the Dr's and the RCOC people can't believe was they are saying about my daughter. They say she is a great mother and they even put it in writing. But yet they let this happen. The ncp can't even pass a drug test but still gets to see his son? He threatens my Daughter all the time.The father of the ncp is the supervisor for the visitations and he has been letting his son take my grandchild where ever he want's for example last night he took the 2yr old to a bar! And no supervisor was present.

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 10:01 AM
Now we know the story s we can make some suggestions. One question though:
You said; "When my daughter tries to tell them what's happening they tell her shes a bad mother and that she is unfit and uncooperative.". Who is they?

You have no legal standing here so your daughter has to do everything, but you can help. The first thing is what proof do you have that the father has been allowed unsupervised visitation? You need CONCRETE proof. Testimony from the bartender of that bar, a PI's report from following the NCP after the child was turned over. You need irrefutable evidence.

Your daughter is going up against someone who is part of the court system. This is going to make it harder for her, but not impossible. I'm going to ask some more questions, but these are also suggestions of things she should be doing or has done. Does she have an attorney? Has she spoken to the judge who issued the order of supervised visitations? Does she live in a small town or a large city. If in the US it might help knowing what state (but nothing closer than that).

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 10:24 AM
My daughter was with the ncp before my 2nd grandchild was born and the ncp was nice for awhile but then when my daughter got pregnant with the ncp's child he had no interest he left her multiple times and always tried getting back with her when something went wrong with his other relationships the ncp would force my daughter into sex and would demand her so clean and stay at home while he partied. Then he left my daughter again in February 13th 2009 then when my daughter was going into labor he wouldn't come he said he was to tired from 2 hour of work she had to have a friend come and be with her I the grandparent was there when my daughter gave birth and the ncp was no where to be found the ncp didn't come till the day after and the ncp's parents had to drag him out to he his son. My daughter then moved in the him and he beat her and my grand children then back in October he left her and the children in 2009 and she never heard from him again until she served him with paper of paternity that was a year ago February 2010 and then he started harassing her and saying he wanted his son or else threatened her life and saying weather she lied it or not the ncp would get his son. Then court came and visitation with my wife and she made more of attempt then she should to let the ncp see my grandson and the ncp and the ncp's father said she didn't and then my daughter went back to court and they gave every-other visitation with my wife and the ncps father and we still had problems the ncp would harasses my daughter and the ncp and ncps father would tell my wife and daughter that they wanted them more with the ncps father and then we had more problems went back to court and they had visitation with the ncps father two times a week and then every-other Thursday and Sunday and the ncp would not be supervised my daughter would watch the house or have someone watching and would see the ncp not being supervized with my grandson also my wife and youngest son would get to the ncps's fathers house early about 5 minutes early and would see the ncp alone walking with my grandson around the block. And now my daughter goes to court and they say that the ncp needs more time with my grandson and he has already failed 2 drug test for marijuana and then at this hearing the ncp told the court he was going to fail cause he celebrated and the courts said that was the same time he found out about the last court date and that. And they still gave the ncp more time with my grandson even with all the proof of not being supervised and all her statements cause all this time my grandson has come home with marks and buries and they yelled at her in court for taking pictures of all this and are now saying she is a bad mother and she has statements about how people have seen him come back with marks and since the ncp has been in my grandsons life a change in how he acts and in marks on his body and he had so much visitation that my daughter pretty much only has her son on Mondays and Wednesdays this was only suppose to be a visitation problem in court and now this is turning into a custody battle .

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 10:34 AM
First, I'm sorry but that last post is hard to follow and it doesn't really answer my questions. We need specific answers to the questions.

If the court ignored your proof, maybe it wasn't concrete enough. But we need for you to address our questions rather than rant. Otherwise its hard to help.

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 10:38 AM
The person who approved all this was the guardian at-light um and the mediator and are saying she's a bad mom and that they don't think its right she is trying to take my grandson away from the ncp also she has talked to the judge but also the ncps attorney wanted this judge and so it was changed when the ncp hired him also yes my daughter has an attorney this is Wisconsin and the proof is visual proof and having statements of the ncp being unsupervised and the bar didn't go so well the bar tender and the ncp are best friends so we can't get anything there in stone.and when my Daughter has done police report and they say they can't help cause its not a civil court case all the police can do is get cps involved and still no help there

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 10:49 AM
Ok, this is better. What it appears to me, is that either there is something else going on here or the local judicial system looking the other way because the NCP's father is part of the system.

If that's the case, then your daughter's attorney needs to request a change of venue. What I don't understand is why your daughter's attorney agreed to a judge that was handpicked by the NCP's attorney.

A mediator should not be giving opinions about the mother's qualifications. That should be grounds to remove the3 mediator. The Guardian Ad-Liteum is supposed to represent the child's interest. If it can be proven the GAL is biased towards the NCP, the GAL can be sued. It certainly is within the scope of being a GAL to give opinions on the mother's capabilities. But if the GAL can't justify what she's saying (and if you have testimony from other's that contradicts the GAL it would seem she would have trouble doing so) then the GAL should be removed.

It may be necessary to have the actions of the court reviewed on the state level. Especially if the NCP's father is involved and the court is showing bias towards him. If your daughter's attorney is not pursuing all these aspects then he should be or should be replaced.

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 11:00 AM
Can you recommend one? I need a pit bull!

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 11:34 AM
Yes your daughter does. Try contacting the State Bar association.

Grandparent
Feb 13, 2011, 11:56 AM
Thank you for everything!

ScottGem
Feb 13, 2011, 12:12 PM
Good luck and keep us posted.

cdad
Feb 13, 2011, 02:15 PM
A mediator should not be giving opinions about the mother's qualifications. That should be grounds to remove the3 mediator.

I disagree with this. Mostly it depends on the mothers attitude during mediation. If all she does is insult the opposing party and keep bringing alegations then the mediator is within their right to pass that information along to a judge. Mediators can see PAS. And if it is occurring blatantly then it will come out in the recommendations.

Parental Alienation Syndrom.

GV70
Feb 13, 2011, 08:26 PM
I disagree with this. Mostly it depends on the mothers attitude during mediation. If all she does is insult the opposing party and keep bringing alegations then the mediator is within thier right to pass that information along to a judge. Mediators can see PAS. And if it is occuring blatantly then it will come out in the recomendations.

Parental Alienation Syndrom.

I agree with califdad!

the person who approved all this was the guardian at-light um and the mediator and are saying shes a bad mom and that they dont think its right she is trying to take my grandson away from the ncp
Even
the guardian at-light um /I guess Guardian ad litem/ had an opinion that the mother was not co-operative...

ScottGem
Feb 14, 2011, 04:25 AM
Dad and GV make very valid points that I didn't consider. Attitude is important. If the mother is continually bad mouthing the NCP and being confrontational and uncooperative, this could affect the court. If this is happening the mother needs to back pedal and deal only with the best interests and safety of the child. I know it is frustrating, but there are two sides to every story.