1. What is (or where can I find) the step-by-step instructions to file a motion in court requesting to allow process by publication, or any alternative means of service of process, for a temporary restraining order petition when the respondent is intentionally avoiding service?

2. Can I file the motion on my own if I have an attorney of record, or is he the only one who can file motions on my case at this point?

3. If I have two separate requests to make of the court, can I make them in the same motion, or have to file them separately?

Thanks very much in advance for any help regarding this question.

1. What is (or where can I find) the step-by-step instructions to file a motion in court requesting to allow process by publication, or any alternative means of service of process, for a temporary restraining order petition when the respondent is intentionally avoiding service?
Where are you located? Laws vary by region regarding service.


2. Can I file the motion on my own if I have an attorney of record, or is he the only one who can file motions on my case at this point?
You can file the motion but all parties need to have a copy of the paperwork.


3. If I have two separate requests to make of the court, can I make them in the same motion, or have to file them separately?
It depends on the circumstances. Typically I'd say make the two requests in one motion but I'd need to know what your case is regarding and what requests you're making.

Oh I'm Sorry... the case in located on the California court system. Please allow me to rephrase the questions:

1. In California, can I file the motion on my own if I have an attorney of record, or is he the only one who can file motions on my case at this point?

2. What is (or where can I find) instructions, and the correct court form, to file a motion in California requesting the judge to allow process by publication for a temporary restraining order petition when the respondent is intentionally avoiding service?

3. Does a motion have to be filed before the hearing date, and is the a deadline of when a motion can be filed in lieu of a hearing?

4. If I have two separate requests to make of the court, can I make them in the same motion, or have to file them separately? They are related to the same matter, but in is a request to allow alternative means of service, and the to ask the court to enforce a civil procedure rule.

Sorry new at this :(

No apology necessary :) I understood your questions but as I said earlier, laws vary by region. I know my state, Wisconsin, will allow for publication summons if the party is unservable but won't allow for mail service.



1. In California, can I file the motion on my own if I have an attorney of record, or is he the only one who can file motions on my case at this point?
You can file the motion, but check with your attorney before doing so. You don't want to create a problem.


2. What is (or where can I find) instructions, and the correct court form, to file a motion in California requesting the judge to allow process by publication for a temporary restraining order petition when the respondent is intentionally avoiding service?
I'm trying to determine if California allows for publication summons or not; I haven't found anything positive or negative.

I think ultimately you could type a letter addressed to the court commissioner/judge which is dated and includes the case number stating something along the lines of:

"Hon. (Judge's name here),

Due to the fact that the Respondent in above referenced case is avoiding service after numerous attempts, I am respectfully requesting that a publication summons be allowed as proof of service."


3. Does a motion have to be filed before the hearing date, and is the a deadline of when a motion can be filed in lieu of a hearing?
I would file the motion prior to the hearing to alert the judge that you have been unsuccessful in obtaining service on the respondent.


4. If I have two separate requests to make of the court, can I make them in the same motion, or have to file them separately? They are related to the same matter, but in is a request to allow alternative means of service, and the to ask the court to enforce a civil procedure rule.
What civil procedure rule are you requesting that they enforce? Why is your attorney not advising you on this?

Here's a website I found for California which has a lot of information including links for the proper forms and procedures:
California Courts: Self-Help Center: Protection from Abuse: Introduction to Restraining Orders (http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/protection/introresord.htm)

Hope this helped :)

Omg... YOU rule.

Quoting veritas88:
4. If I have two separate requests to make of the court, can I make them in the same motion, or have to file them separately? They are related to the same matter, but in is a request to allow alternative means of service, and the to ask the court to enforce a civil procedure rule.

What civil procedure rule are you requesting that they enforce? Why is your attorney not advising you on this?

The first motion is regarding the service (CA Civil Code 527.6(2)m), and the second is to enforce section 527.6(q)(2)& (3)... placing the TRO in the state's database for enforcement. Every time I took the order to the police they said that I have to actually serve the respondent before they can put it in the database. I believe this is a violation of the code, not to mention my civil right?

The first motion is regarding the service (CA Civil Code 527.6(2)m), and the second is to enforce section 527.6(q)(2)& (3)... placing the TRO in the state's database for enforcement. Every time I took the order to the police they said that I have to actually serve the respondent before they can put it in the database. I believe this is a violation of the code, not to mention my civil right?

The first code you stated supports the court and the police's behavior and reads as follows:
(m) Upon the filing of a petition for an injunction under this
section, the respondent shall be personally served with a copy of the
petition, temporary restraining order, if any, and notice of hearing
of the petition. Service shall be made at least five days before the
hearing. The court may for good cause, on motion of the petitioner
or on its own motion, shorten the time for service on the respondent
(Taken from here (http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/527.6.html))

It isn't a violation of anything and technically, granting a TRO without the respondent being notified would be a violation of their rights - they have the right to a hearing and the right to object. That's why they have to be served.

So in summary: the judge won't grant a TRO without the other party being notified of the hearing and the police can't enforce a TRO that hasn't been granted. You have to obtain proof of service before you can take the next step.

You CAN NOT file a motion without permission from your lawyer and it is a specific written statement that has to accompany the documents. When you hired the lawyer you hired someone to represent you. You can't file on your own. Any legal actions must be through your lawyer unless they are fired by you or you have the document stating as to why your representing yourself.

1) Where are you located? Laws vary by region regarding service.


2) You can file the motion but all parties need to have a copy of the paperwork.


3) It depends on the circumstances. Typically I'd say make the two requests in one motion but I'd need to know what your case is regarding and what requests you're making.

1) This is correct rules vary by location and sometimes even by the courts they are going through.


2) This is not correct. The rules of representation forbid it. There are specific rules that must be followed when you already have council. If you vary away from them then the whole process goes in the can and you may have to start over with the entire process.

3) The circumstances have already been explained. The OP wants and is requesting a TRO. The TRO can contain many things as well as instructions that must be followed once approved. Also in a TRO custody can be decided at that time and for a later date custody can be agrued. So yes multiple requests can go into a single document or pleading. TRO can be a blanket one stop shop.

1) This is correct rules vary by location and sometimes even by the courts they are going through.


2) This is not correct. The rules of representation forbid it. There are specific rules that must be followed when you already have council. If you vary away from them then the whole process goes in the can and you may have to start over with the entire process.

3) The circumstances have already been explained. The OP wants and is requesting a TRO. The TRO can contain many things as well as instructions that must be followed once approved. Also in a TRO custody can be decided at that time and for a later date custody can be agrued. So yes multiple requests can go into a single document or pleading. TRO can be a blanket one stop shop.

Wow - is that a state-by-state rule? Our attorney lets us file ourselves, no problem. Then again, that's a family law case not a hearing for a TRO.

Wow - is that a state-by-state rule? Our attorney lets us file ourselves, no problem. Then again, that's a family law case not a hearing for a TRO.

I for one was flabergasted by your statement that a client can file his/her own motion when (s)he has an attorney-of-record. No, the proper procedure, if the client wants to do his/her own thing, would be for the attorney to withdraw.

It's not a matter of your attorney letting you: the court in most places won't entertain a motion filed by a client when that client is represented. See, for example, Rule 11 of the FRCP:

"... Every pleading, written motion, and other paper must be signed by at least one attorney of record in the attorney's name — or by a party personally if the party is unrepresented. ..."

Can you imagine the confusion that would ensue otherwise?


Attorney: "No, your honor, we have not asked for [such-and-such]".
Judge: :o "I'm looking at this document filed on [whenever]. it says right here ... :mad:"
Attorney: :confused: :o"Huh? I knew nothing about this! :mad:"

That should be in most places. If you have stated that you are represented then that is the conduit through which the course of law enters and exits. If you pronounce yourself as Pro Se. Then you are representing yourself. And you do not have legal council. You can't switch back and forth unless there is documentation.

That is my understanding of it and that is what I have been through. Otherwise what your doing is setting up third party representation to a 2 party lawsuit or action. 1) your lawyer 2) yourself and 3) the opposing party. The courts only want to deal with 2 parties unless there is something like a joinder of interest in the case.

That should be in most places. If you have stated that you are represented then that is the conduit through which the course of law enters and exits. If you pronounce yourself as Pro Se. Then you are representing yourself. And you do not have legal council. You can't switch back and forth unless there is documentation.

That is my understanding of it and that is what I have been through. Otherwise what your doing is setting up third party representation to a 2 party lawsuit or action. 1) your lawyer 2) yourself and 3) the opposing party. The courts only want to deal with 2 parties unless there is something like a joinder of interest in the case.

I suppose that would create a lot of confusion, wouldn't it? I guess our case was the exception to the rule.

I apologize; I absolutely should have clarified that we did NOT file anything without speaking to our attorney first and having her consent to do it. At times she'd even send something over and just have us file it because we're much closer to the courthouse. We weren't just filing papers at our convenience and having our attorney run around court like a chicken with her head cut-off.

I guess that leads back to my question a few posts back - if they have representation, why are they asking us about it? Why is their attorney not helping with this?

I suppose that would create a lot of confusion, wouldn't it? I guess our case was the exception to the rule.

I apologize; I absolutely should have clarified that we did NOT file anything without speaking to our attorney first and having her consent to do it. At times she'd even send something over and just have us file it because we're much closer to the courthouse. We weren't just filing papers at our convenience and having our attorney run around court like a chicken with her head cut-off.

I guess that leads back to my question a few posts back - if they have representation, why are they asking us about it? Why is their attorney not helping with this?

My guess is that it is very expensive to have representation and every time you want to know something they have you at hello. The clock starts ticking. Also if the lawyer said that wasn't the way to go and a friend of a friend did it that way then it must be OK.

We don't know at this point but that is a good question.

My guess is that it is very expensive to have representation and everytime you want to know something they have you at hello. The clock starts ticking. Also if the lawyer said that wasnt the way to go and a friend of a friend did it that way then it must be ok.

We dont know at this point but that is a good question.

True, very true. I know someone who complained that her attorney "billed her every time she talked to him" - duh, his time is money.

I don't see why they'd need a lawyer for this in the first place. If they don't want to pay(and I don't blame them, times are hard) they should just remove them from the case and do it pro se.

Thank you all for such a great thread... it has been very helpful. A few of you asked why I was not being advised by council, and I have briefly summarized the issues I'm having with my attorney in another thread located here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-law/can-attorney-enter-into-negotiation-opposing-council-without-consent-548226.html). I'm trying to determine my best course of action whether to fire my attorney now before he damages the success of my case any further, or keep him and hope for the best. If I fire him, then I have to make motions on my own since I don't have the money to hire another attorney (he literally took my last dime). So that's why I was asking about how to file or be heard by the judge prior to the hearing date in California. I feel as though my attorney will not ask for or accomplish what is needed at this point to secure my safety, and the hearing is next week. I simply cannot leave my only chance at protection is this mans hands. Any thoughts?

Thank you all for such a great thread...it has been very helpful. A few of you asked why I was not being advised by council, and I have briefly summarized the issues I'm having with my attorney in another thread located here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-law/can-attorney-enter-into-negotiation-opposing-council-without-consent-548226.html). I'm trying to determine my best course of action whether to fire my attorney now before he damages the sucess of my case any further, or keep him and hope for the best. If I fire him, then I have to make motions on my own since I don't have the money to hire another attorney (he literally took my last dime). So that's why I was asking about how to file or be heard by the judge prior to the hearing date in California. I feel as though my attorney will not ask for or accomplish what is needed at this point to secure my safety, and the hearing is next week. I simply cannot leave my only chance at protection is this mans hands. Any thoughts?

As excon advised you on the other thread, I'd dump this guy like a bad habit. He sounds like one of those "horror story" attorneys, the reason everyone fears them.

As excon also said, I'd speak to another attorney about suing this guy for what he's billed you and the poor actions he's been taking - most of them will at least do a free consult. Even if you don't hire them to represent you in the TRO case, they might at least be able to get your money back from this crook.

Do I think you absolutely need an attorney to file a TRO? No. The link I provided you with earlier seems to be pretty helpful in assisting you with filing pro se. I know it can get confusing so if you have more questions, we're always here and will answer to the best of our ability.

Can I ask why you're requesting the TRO? What are the specifics of the case? If you don't feel like sharing them, that's fine - it's just easier for us to give you a better answer when we know what's going on.

I often have an attorney that actually writes up my motions and court info, but I file them personally at the court.
The attorney is merely doing the paper work, not representing me in the court action, I hire them merely for consulting and paper work.

Trying to file for the publication is hard, and in some places the news papers will only accept publication though an attorney, I tried to file in Hamilton Al and no news paper in town would accept the publication since it did not come though an attorneys office.

I am in the process of suing the newspaper I used for the attorney cost now,

What is (or where can I find) the step-by-step instructions to file a motion in court requesting to allow process by publication, or any alternative means of service of process, for a temporary restraining order petition when the respondent is intentionally avoiding service? Hello again, v:

If you're NOT firing your lawyer because he knows the rules and you don't, I'm here to save you again...

What you need is a book called "Rules for Civil Procedure in X County Court" (or something like that). This book will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about motions - like how to file them, when to file them, where to file them, what size paper they need to be on, how much space the margins should take, and on, and on... You can BUY it at your local college bookstore. It's not going to tell you WHY you should file your motions - only HOW.

Now, will you fire this turkey lawyer already?

excon

Wow... thank you for your kinds words and support in this matter. It literally brought tears to my eyes that anyone wanted to help.


this8384 -- Can I ask why you're requesting the TRO? What are the specifics of the case? If you don't feel like sharing them, that's fine - it's just easier for us to give you a better answer when we know what's going on. (Sorry I don't know how to pull quote directly from other threads yet.)
My ex has stalked me for a year now.
My home, car, and mailbox have been broken into, but the police can't arrest him since no one saw him do it. I've received several hang-up calls, and have changed my number several times as a result. My email has been hack by him, with his IP address located on my accounts log files... but still the police can't do anything with them. I've had my doorbell rung at midnight, and a few minutes later the window of the car parked in front of my house was smashed. The list goes on and on.

The police advised me that this since the crimes were to numerous to be random to file for a TRO, and when I did the judge agreed. But now making the TRO permanent is in jeopardy because of this lawyer... and my hearing is this coming Tuesday.

Thank you very much for the assistance. I was told that help was available on this sight, and they were right. How can I get in touch with you personally on this system to ask the specifics of HOW to file my motion etc.

You can PM excon by left-clicking his name once and selecting "Send a private message" from the drop-down menu

How can I find such an attorney in southern California? Where would I begin looking on such short notice?

Wow...thank you for your kinds words and support in this matter. It literally brought tears to my eyes that anyone wanted to help.

(Sorry I don"t know how to pull quote directly from other threads yet.)
My ex has stalked me for a year now.
My home, car, and mailbox have been broken into, but the police can't arrest him since no one saw him do it. I've received several hang-up calls, and have changed my number several times as a result. My email has been hack by him, with his IP address located on my accounts log files...but still the police can't do anything with them. I've had my doorbell rung at midnight, and a few minutes later the the window of the car parked in front of my house was smashed. The list goes on and on.

The police advised me that this since the crimes were to numerous to be random to file for a TRO, and when I did the judge agreed. But now making the TRO permanent is in jeopardy because of this lawyer...and my hearing is this coming Tuesday.

Uh oh, I don't like the sound of that :(

It sounds to me that you are most likely being harassed by your ex - the issue is that there's no proof it's actually him harassing you. Without proof, it's going to be hard to get the TRO granted. You can still try but my opinion is you're going to need something more concrete in order to get the TRO granted.

You can PM excon by left-clicking his name once and selecting "Send a private message" from the drop-down menuHello again, this:

Not going to do any good though. I ain't no lawyer. I'd just tell her to read the book. Actually, I'd tell her to FIRE her lawyer, and hire one she trusts. She shouldn't do this alone.

excon

Hello again, this:

Not gonna do any good though. I ain't no lawyer. I'd just tell her to read the book. Actually, I'd tell her to FIRE her lawyer, and hire one she trusts. She shouldn't do this alone.

excon

Just trying to be helpful :)

You read my last post? I got a bad feeling about this...

this8384 -- It sounds to me that you are most likely being harassed by your ex - the issue is that there's no proof it's actually him harassing you. Without proof, it's going to be hard to get the TRO granted. You can still try but my opinion is you're going to need something more concrete in order to get the TRO granted.
That's exactly the issue this. And now that I was finally able to get a judge to grant me a TRO, my attorney botches the personal service to my ex, and complicates the matter. Time should be spent on our argument at hearing, and more discovery of the facts, rather than how to get this insane person served. Meanwhile my ex makes a mockery of the court system, and I get further victimized by the only system available to me that could possible lend a measure of protection. Sigh.

No worries excon, I'm just looking for answers and clues as to where to look, not legal advice. Your words of support thus far have been very valuable to me.

That's exactly the issue this. And now that I was finally able to get a judge to grant me a TRO, my attorney botches the personal service to my ex, and complicates the matter. Time should be spent on our argument at hearing, and more discovery of the facts, rather than how to get this insane person served. Meanwhile my ex makes a mockery of the court system, and I get further victimized by the only system available to me that could possible lend a measure of protection. Sigh.

So wait now - the order was GRANTED already? I thought the respondent had to be served in order to grant the TRO; you said he's avoiding service. If the order is already in place, screw him - he doesn't need to be served. If the order is pending, then he NEEDS to be served or it will be dismissed.

Filing a motion is one thing; getting your motion granted is another. We need clarification on this.

this8384 -- So wait now - the order was GRANTED already? I thought the respondent had to be served in order to grant the TRO; you said he's avoiding service. If the order is already in place, screw him - he doesn't need to be served. If the order is pending, then he NEEDS to be served or it will be dismissed.

Filing a motion is one thing; getting your motion granted is another. We need clarification on this.
Sorry for any confusion. A judge has reviewed the matter and has already granted me a temporary retaining order which is effective for 3 weeks in most cases. I am attempting to get the temp order made permanent, and that is what the h=upcoming hearing is to determine. My ex has intentionally avoided being personally served for that upcoming hearing upon advice of his council, and now since this will be the 3rd continence because we can't serve him my attorney is saying the case will probably just be dismissed. Hope this helps.

Hello v:

Why don't you hire a better process server? I'll bet he can be found.

excon

Sorry for any confusion. A judge has reviewed the matter and has already granted me a temporary retaining order which is effective for 3 weeks in most cases. I am attempting to get the temp order made permanent, and that is what the h=upcoming hearing is to determine. My ex has intentionally avoided being personally served for that upcoming hearing upon advice of his council, and now since this will be the 3rd continence because we can't serve him my attorney is saying the case will probably just be dismissed. Hope this helps.

Does your ex have a hired attorney who filed a retainer with the court or is someone simply telling him to avoid service? Why is his attorney not being served with these papers?

Where has your ex been attempted to be served? His home, his work? Process servers get paid to serve, not to wander around with papers - I get the feeling your attorney is yanking you around on this and trying to bill you for something he never paid for. Even more imperative to speak to another one about the legality of all of this. The fact that he botched the case by sending the TRO by mail speaks volumes about his professionalism.

You mentioned that you've filed for three continuances already. Have you already refiled a DV-125 (http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/dv125.pdf) to reissue the temporary order until service can be obtained? Or has your deadbeat attorney simply filed for a continuance?

Hello v:

Why don't you hire a better process server? I'll bet he can be found.

excon

Her attorney says he already did(2nd paragraph in the original post)... I don't believe it.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-law/can-attorney-enter-into-negotiation-opposing-council-without-consent-548226.html

My next question is, why isn't the respondent's attorney being served? S/he is representing the respondent - I don't see why there's all this running around. Either the respondent has legal representation who can and should receive any documentation regarding this case - or he doesn't have a lawyer and everyone is blowing smoke and this poor woman is caught in the middle.

this8384 -- Does your ex have a hired attorney who filed a retainer with the court or is someone simply telling him to avoid service? Why is his attorney not being served with these papers?
My ex has an attorney according to my lawyer, but as far as I know nothing has been filed by that opposing council with the court. I asked about having that attorney accept service on heir clients behalf, and was told that service in a TRO case must be personally served.


this8384 -- Where has your ex been attempted to be served? His home, his work? Process servers get paid to serve, not to wander around with papers - I get the feeling your attorney is yanking you around on this and trying to bill you for something he never paid for.
Agreed, I just emailed and faxed him a request for the original invoice from the process server(s), and would you guess no return email, and his fax line is busy.


this8384 -- Even more imperative to speak to another one about the legality of all of this. The fact that he botched the case by sending the TRO by mail speaks volumes about his professionalism.
I completely agree at this point. But unfortunately I did not know the process, I am since educating myself on the matter, hence all the digging I'm doing today for answers. Hindsight is 20/20.


this8384 -- You mentioned that you've filed for three continuances already. Have you already refiled a DV-125 to reissue the temporary order until service can be obtained? Or has your deadbeat attorney simply filed for a continuance?
We've filed for 2 continuances... this will be the third. And ys I have them for the past granted continuances. Hopefully the judge will grant the third, along with an order to serve by publication of posting.

My ex has an attorney according to my lawyer, but as far as I know nothing has been filed by that opposing council with the court. I asked about having that attorney accept service on heir clients behalf, and was told that service in a TRO case must be personally served.


Agreed, I just emailed and faxed him a request for the original invoice from the process server(s), and would you guess no return email, and his fax line is busy.


I completely agree at this point. But unfortunately I did not know the process, I am since educating myself on the matter, hence all the digging I'm doing today for answers. Hindsight is 20/20.


We've filed for 2 continuances...this will be the third. And ys I have them for the past granted continuances. Hopefully the judge will grant the third, along with an order to serve by publication of posting.

I'd consult with another attorney ASAP. You might be able to get the continuance granted because your former counsel(the jerk you're going to fire) was not acting diligently.

... If the order is already in place, screw him - he doesn't need to be served. ...

It needs to be served if it is effective. Otherwise, if the respondent violates it, and when faced with a contempt motion, he can simply say "but I never knew about it". As I was saying, it might not be even sufficient if he had an attorney of record who was given notice of the TRO. Personal service of a TRO is always best.


... A judge has ... already granted me a temporary retaining order which is effective for 3 weeks in most cases. I am attempting to get the temp order made permanent, and that is what the h=upcoming hearing is to determine. ...

Yes, that's sort of what I was saying.

TRO - granted prior to service
Preliminary injunction - follows TRO after service.


Why don't you hire a better process server? I'll bet he can be found.


Yes. In fairness to OP's attorney, getting the person served is not the attorney's job. It is up to him to diligently find and direct the process server, but not to hold the process server's hand & micro-mange him.

It needs to be served if it is effective. Otherwise, if the respondent violates it, and when faced with a contempt motion, he can simply say "but I never knew about it". As I was saying, it might not be even sufficient if he had an attorney of record who was given notice of the TRO. Personal service of a TRO is always best.



Yes, that's sort of what I was saying.

TRO - granted prior to service
preliminary injunction - follows TRO after service.



Yes. In fairness to OP's attorney, getting the person served is not the attorney's job. It is up to him to diligently find and direct the process server, but not to hold the process server's hand & micro-mange him.

I don't think her attorney has done ANYTHING at this point. She stated earlier that she asked him for a copy of the process server he allegedly hired - she's heard nothing back. Our attorney sent us a copy the minute she got the bill.

The whole "respondent does/doesn't have an attorney" thing is a major issue for me. This woman is just trying to protect herself and it seems as if this attorney is taking her to the cleaners and doing nothing for her. That's why excon and I keep stressing that she NEEDS to get rid of this guy and do what she can to try and salvage the situation.

this8384 -- I don't think her attorney has done ANYTHING at this point. She stated earlier that she asked him for a copy of the process server he allegedly hired - she's heard nothing back. Our attorney sent us a copy the minute she got the bill.

The whole "respondent does/doesn't have an attorney" thing is a major issue for me. This woman is just trying to protect herself and it seems as if this attorney is taking her to the cleaners and doing nothing for her. That's why excon and I keep stressing that she NEEDS to get rid of this guy and do what she can to try and salvage the situation.
Stated in a nutshell this8384. I've bee on the phone with other attorneys all day regarding this matter, but of course it all comes down to money. At this point I have to be specific and give my attorney a list of what needs to be done, and hope that he does EXACTLY that and nothing else.

If I give him a list of specific motions to make BEFORE the hearing is he obligated to get it done as instructed? The list would be along the lines of...

Please write the motions and have it filed with the court for the judges review BEFORE hearing date xx/xx/xx:
1. Please submit the attached affidavits showng the attempts made by the sheriff and process servers;
1. Request a continence until such time as personal, or another form of service can be executed;
2. Prepare and file a motion requesting that the court allowed Service by Publication or posting;
Please ensure all of the motions and requests are executed and/or filed before the hearing date, or indicate why the requests could not be executed;

What do you think?

Otherwise I need to fire him today and write these motions myself, and get them filed asap.

Wow I think I just may be able to do this on my own... writing and filing the motion to request service by publication that is. I found a great source for doing such a thing here (http://www.ehow.com/how_6455768_write-legal-motion-civil-court.html).

Please write the motions and have it filed with the court for the judges review BEFORE hearing date xx/xx/xx:
1. Please submit the attached affidavits showng the attempts made by the sheriff and process servers;
1. Request a continence until such time as personal, or another form of service can be executed;
2. Prepare and file a motion requesting that the court allowed Service by Publication or posting;
Please ensure all of the motions and requests are executed and/or filed before the hearing date, or indicate why the requests could not be executed;

What do you think?

Any lawyer that tries to file what you say should just take up their shingle and try a new occupation.

Your wanting to put the cart before the horse and expecting to get somewhere. Until he doesn't show you can't ask for a continuance. The affidavits are evidence and don't need to be filed until time of hearing or trial. At the hearing when the other party doesn't show he can make the requests as part of the pleading for continuance.

You go to court. Judge asks where the defendant is. You make your plea as why service never occurred and why it should be done in another fashion. The problem is that a TRO is very specific on how it must be handled and the rules that apply. You have stripped him of rights without representation. That is why there is a hearing on the matter so quickly. And I hope that your lawyer has explained to you that its not permanent in the sense of lasting forever. It lasts for 2 1/2 years. And can be renewed.

You either need to make a choice or move along. And if you do select another lawyer be prepared to bring lots of money. As your case is not open and shut so quickly.

Or should I just stick to writing it has a letter to the since I'm not a lawyer?

Any lawyer that tries to file what you say should just take up their shingle and try a new occupation.
Lol... ok yes I admit I'm no legal-begal.



You go to court. Judge asks where the defendant is. You make your plea as why service never occurred and why it should be done in another fashion. The problem is that a TRO is very specific on how it must be handled and the rules that apply.
I was told it is exactly because of these extenuating circumstances is why you want the request filed BEFORE the hearing... to allow the judge time to truly reflect on the matter, and so there will be something for them to consider and rule on besides just whether to continue or dismiss the case.


You have stripped him of rights without representation.
He has representation and they are both making a mockery of our justice system right now.

He has representation and they are both making a mockery of our justice system right now.

In getting a TRO you have stripped him of rights that he would have had without benefit of a hearing or trial. That is what the hearing is about. Allowing him to represent himself before the courts and any evidence against him.

So you better understand the dynamics of what we are talking about here try reading this...

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family-law/restraining-orders-499600.html

So you better understand the dynamics of what we are talking about here try reading this...
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family-... rs-499600.html

Thank you for the read, but I assure you none of this applies to this case. If you read this thread you will find examples of what this very off-balanced person as done, and will continue to do if he cannot be restrained. And again as far as his right go... he should do the right thing, except service, show up in court and tell his side of the story. There is simply nothing more noble than taking responsibly for your actions, or defending them if he feels as though he is being maligned in some way. The true ALWAYS prevails, at least at some point. Veritas.