Im a 22 year old mother of two my boyfriend and father of my children is 36. I just recently had a baby three months ago. About four months before he was born my boyfriend and I pretty much entirely stopped having sex or doing anything with each other. We wouldn't lay together hold each other I don't even think we kissed often. He would come home from work take his shower and eat and fall asleep or "pass out" on the couch. I just figured it was because this pregnancy I got a little bigger and it was all belly. Im a skinny girl though I only gained maybe 15 pounds, before my pregnancy I was probably 105. Anyway About a month AFTER the pregnancy we still weren't having sex and he was still distant. One day while he was taking his shower I walked in because we were supposed to be leaving shortly so I wanted to finish getting ready. I opened the shower curtain to give him a kiss and he was totally erect! So that whole time I was deprived from contact and sex he was good taking care of himself! Behind my back of course. We talked about it and I told him I could understand why we didn't have sex at the end of the pregnancy but I don't think you shouldve been hiding that from me. Also I thought it was wrong that he didn't even ask if I wanted to get him off or if I wanted to get off he just worried about himself. He said he would stop even though I only requested him to tell me if he was going to do that cause ill just do the same and we can never have sex. One week later he woke me up in the morning after caring for the baby to tell me he is getting in the shower and he didn't want me to think he was doing something again. What? So I got up went into the bathroom to pee and there was a stain on his shorts. I went into the kitchen and the there was a paper towel soaked with you know what right on top! Why did he even wake me up to tell me that when he all ready did it! So we talked again he said he doesn't learn right away and he doesn't know why he did it again. Moving on just last week about a month after all this I get up after he leaves for work before the kids wake up to clean the bathroom I kneel down to pick something off the floor and something is wet on my pant leg figuring its pee I get pissed off and continue cleaning about 10 minutes later I noticed it dried and its white, deffinitely not pee! So I call him and ask him if he is still hiding this from me and he denies it up and down for like and hour till finally he says yes he did it again. Now we talk and he claims that he did it because he was aggravated from our little, very little, argument from the night before.

Ok so I guess my question is why? Why is he hiding this from me, why does he prefer it over me when we do have a good sex life when we actually have sex, why does he keep doing it? Also why doesn't he give me a chance to get him off before he resorts to that, don't men usually prefer to have good sex instead of really quick jerk off and hope you don't get caught?

Also am I wrong? Is it still a private thing when your in a committed relationship. Like if I wanted sex and he isn't going to give it to me ill tell him that ill just have to take care of it. Im not ashamed!

I need answers from men and women here any advice or answers will be well appreciated!! Thanks

I think he does it because he enjoys it, and he hides it and lies about it because he doesn't want to argue with you about it.

I think you shouldn't take it as personal rejection; people like to mix it up, and nobody likes to feel that somebody else owns their sexuality.

Would it be possible for you to accept that he likes this sometimes and not get so upset about it? Would you be open to showing him that you desire him for himself and not just sex? No matter what, you should talk about it; it sounds like he feels accused of doing something wrong, and that's never a good feeling. I hope you can work this out!

You just had a baby hon. You have other children. Do you remember how long it takes for your hooha to NOT look like a torn piece of roast beef? It is a huge turn off for a lot of men. Give it time. He will come back around. And don't ride him so hard about it.

*hugs* good luck. I know its tough. But if you are suffering, invest in some good masterbating toys for yourself until the lust comes back into your relationship. And remmeber, a 3 month old is NOT exactly a stress free thing. :) it could be that the stress is killing him. And masturbation is a stress reliever. You may enjoy it as well until you are BOTH ready to bring sex back in

Thanks for the response.
I guess I do have a negative reaction toward him doing this but I honestly felt neglected and that it was a selfish act when he was ignoring me and doing this instead during and after my pregnancy. Didn't he think that maybe I wanted to get off too and he was only concerned about himself. I told him I don't care if he does it but I just wanted him to tell me he was still going to do it not tell me he wasn't going to anymore and still do it behind my back. I told him that we wouldn't argure if he just told me the truth and that I would probably do it too then but it seems that whenever I say that he doesn't want me to do it so he says he won't anymore. IM CONFUSED!! The other thing is that he totally stopped having sex with me and does that instead. Im not trying to be concieded in any way but I'm a pretty 22 year old and he is 36 and not that good looking. I love him for who he is and he should know since I tell him two times a day. Your totally right when you say he probably feel like he is doing something wrong since the first time I freaked out but I didn't know how to react when something like that is put in my face. I did apologize though and told him I don't think its wrong but I think its wrong to hide it from your partner. He said he is embarrassed and that it's a private thing. What is there to be embarrassed about? He seen me have two kids we been together for 3 years. I don't understand.

I don't think he is embarrassed hon. It sounds like he wants to save you the heartache. You know those stupid white lies told to keep someone from being hurt. You don't like it, he knows it. But he needs it, so he told you he wouldn't do it anymore. He was WRONG to do that. But I hope you can understand it from his point of view.

At this point I say you need to sit down and tell him everythin gyuo have told us. How you feel, and let him know you don't mind that he does it just not to hide it from him, and to give you some attention too. And remmeber what I said about 3 months after giving birth. It still looks pretty nasty down there lol. It took me quite awhile to get back to normal with all that stuff.

I also think you need to get yourself some toys to satisfy yourselfwith for a while :)

That's the other thing like I know a lot of women get crazy stiches and stuff when the have a baby. But didn't either time and I really never had any problems after labor... IM LUCKY! This time it was a little till I even thought about jumping back into bed since the baby was a little bigger and all. But I think I'm back to normal and we are having sex now just he still does it and lies. I just want the truth there shouldn't be secrets in relationships! Idont know...

Maybe you could start over and just tell him you feel neglected, that it's been a long time, and you would like to make a date for sex. Is there someone who can babysit? I don't think you should frame it like he's been selfish or owes you attention, just say you miss him and want to be close.

For many people masturbation is a private thing and they do get embarrassed talking about it. It is actually amazing how many people still deny that they masturbate and go to great lengths to keep up that illusion.

He shouldn't be hiding the fact that he masturbates from you. He shouldn't have to announce it or ask permission, but he shouldn't feel the need to hide it either. Neither should he feel like he needs to make promises that he knows or has a good idea that he can't keep.

There can be many reasons for someone to want to masturbate and only he can tell you why he does. Reasons range from it feels good and it can relieve stress to it is release without having to worry about another person and that person's needs. It may be that deep down he is concerned about another pregnancy.

A keystone to any relationship is open and honest communication. You both need to be able to express your needs and concerns. Not just about sexual acts, but all aspects of life including finances and raising your children. However, you shouldn't have to tell each other every little detail. The difference between telling him you eat and telling him about every time you put food in your mouth.

Masturbation is in a way a selfish act. At the same time, wanting your partner to provide all of your stimulation can be seen as being selfish, too. Talk with each other and see if you can reach a compromise. You accept that he needs some alone time and he tries to give you more attention.

Bah... have to spread the rep.

Good post, Cat.

Thank you for the advice cat! If you check this out again could you help me understand why he does it behind my back but then when I approached him he said he would stop. I asked him to just tell me if he couldn't stop to just tell me instead of continuing breaking his promises, which he made on his own. I said that if he wants we could both do it but I still want a sex life with him he doesn't need to tell me when he is doing it or anything like that I just want to be able to agree on it either way... His answer was no, I asked why and he said thst if I start doing it too then we probably will never have sex. How is this fair? All I want is to be open and honest with each other. I feel like I'm missing out while he is sneaking around.

I bet if he would just have sex WITH you sometimes, this wouldn't matter so much. My personal feeling is you shouldn't even ask him to stop masturbating. I'm certain he doesn't plan it out, and he doesn't do it to get back at you. It sounds more like pure impulse. I think it feels like a destructive impulse to you now because you aren't getting attention like you want; I think you should step away from the "lying behind my back" and get to the bottom of, "why don't you want to have sex WITH me". If he's not attracted, is looking at somebody else, or he just wants out, or he's afraid of another pregnancy... these are things you need to know so you can deal with them.

You say this is your second baby; I'm wondering if you had a hard time getting back to a normal sex life with him after the first baby. If not, then something has changed in the relationship and you need to figure out what that is.

THANK YOU SUMMER_GIRL.

My first pregnancy we never stopped having sex, I think we had sex the morning before I had her. That's what is confusing me too. He completely stopped having sex or even asking me to get him off which he is fully aware that I would do for him, and I thought he enjoyed. I think most of my anger comes from that fact that he hid this from me the whole time, and as we all know a woman's hormones go crazy during pregnancy, so I felt like I wasn't good enough pretty enough etc. Plus I did feel really neglected for that fact that I wasn't even a part of his night. He would pretty much ignore me and fall asleep every night. His reason for this was that he had a hard day. I know his work is hard but that NEVER stopped him before. I get the whole lying thing from the fact that HE made this promise I Didn't ask him too make it. Why would he make a promise he can't keep and I didn't ask for why doesn't he just agree to the you do I do it all I asked was for him to say the truth, which would probably be that he really can't stop ( but maybe limit himself so it doesn't ruin our sex life). Im young and in my prime I want sex and affection more now then ever and all I want is him to give it to me I can't be satisfied completely by myself, Don't men feel the same? I gcould go on forever...

If you accept that he masturbates, then there is no reason for him to say anything about it and he isn't 'hiding' it. He isn't making it obvious.

People (men and women) will often make a promise thinking they can keep it or that they don't want to upset the other person. You may not have asked him to promise, but he may have felt it was the best thing at the time because you were upset. It could have been, in his mind, a way to comfort you. It didn't work.

Just as he should not need your permission to masturbate, you should not need his. His reason for saying he doesn't want you to is his own issue. Most women do not have the longer 'recharge' time that men do and female masturbation can be used to increase the amount of sex a couple is having. Because it takes longer for a female to get aroused, masturbation (the act of arousing one's self) can be used to speed up foreplay when you don't have very much time for intercourse.

I think there may be more to his masturbating than self pleasure. Talk to him about other things that he may be concerned about such as work, finances, health, the economy, family, friends, raising two healthy children, the fear of having more, etc. Stress and exhaustion are very big libido limiters. The affect they have changes over time. What may not have been a big issue three years ago may seem like a mountain now. He is 36 years old with a young family to support. It may be hitting him harder than he realizes.

Do you see sex as the main form of affection and intimacy between you? Are you feeling like he doesn't love you as much because the sex isn't as often?

I guess that used to be one of the most common ways he used to show affection toward me. He isn't a really emotional guy. On the other hand he used to hold me ALL THE TIME as well as kiss me so much I would almost get annoyed, I never expressed negative feeling toward this though. He used to chase me down for sex and never was shy to ask for something else. He got distant toward me and after all this happened he tries to be like he used to, affectionate that is, but its seems fake to me. To me its like he would rather do that then have sex cause its "quicker and all" <those are his words. Shouldn't honesty be a key here? I know this is normal and to me it's a private thing when your single or dating but we are way past that. Deep down I do have a jealousy with him doing this probably because when he was I noticed that the effect was him completely ignoring me sexually and emotionally, if I would have never walked in on it then he would still be doing this and I would be sitting wondering what's wrong with me? Why doesn't he want me? Is he cheating?

Look at it this way... you just had a kid three months ago... that without a doubt it taking most of your attention and time... he needs a release without a 4 day in advance plan that can be disturbed at any moment by a crying baby.

Look at it this way... he's taking care of his needs without dumping on you, knowing you already have a full plate. And everyone knows a 3 month old isn't up to doing anything for itself... except soiling diapers at an alarming rate.

My whole response didn't send so this is the rest...

<those are his words (quicker). I honestly probably do have some jealousy toward him doing this because before I walked in on him we weren't having and sexual relationship. I feel like if I never walked in that day then he would still be doing it and I would be sitting here wondering what's wrong with me, why doesn't he want me anymore? is he cheating on me? Do I suck at sex? Don't I please him enough?

The other thing is how can he be satisfied with just that even when I do that I still want to be close and have affection shown toward me. Is this a problem that he didn't want that also? I guess it seems like all he wants is a quickie and he doesn't need anything else from me, If he even chooses to include me. HELP!

Is the baby sleeping in the same room or even the same bed.. Most guys are creeped out by having sex in front of their kid... even if at that age there is essentually zero comprehension of what's going on with you two.

I think your are reading too much into this and making a big deal out of what is actually an attempt to not impose on you for the time being. At 3 months your homes aren't exactly back to their normal point just yet and its triggering this.

Consider this... you KNOW he's wanking off... isn't that better than not knowing how or where he's getting off?

I keep hitting a button and deleting some of my stuff!!
Anyway... I think I feel some jealousy toward him doing this because before I walked in on him he wasn't showing me anything ( it was like we were just friends) he would say I love you that's it. I feel like if I never walked in that day he would still be doing this and ignoring me. While he was "releasing" himself I was sitting here wondering why don't we EVER have sex Why doesn't he even want oral sex? (this was before the baby deffinitely had time for it) what is wrong with me, don't I turn him on, Do I suck at sex? Or is he cheating? He doesn't even kiss me! Hold me! And he started to pass out on the couch! <all of this was before I walked in on him. After he started to have sex with me he started to hold me and he slept in the bed every night why did it take him getting caught do start to do this stuff again? It feels fake!

The baby does sleep in the room but if you knew him you would know that doesn't bother him at all! He has sex with me when our 2 year old is upstairs and there is no lock on our door! The one night he wanted to have sex in the kitchen when she was awake upsatirs. At least in the bed we are covered and would be aware if she would walk in since our door squeaks lol. I had to say no to the kitchen thing cause she couldve walked in on us at any moment. He got mad and we didn't have sex then.

I want him to impose on me though! We have time the baby is on an excellent schedule and fall asleep almost every night by 7 and our daughter is in bed by 8 sleeping by 9. I want to have sex with him I want him to appraoach me and try. And I've told him this I told him he could wake me up any time.

Yes it is better to know but I had to find out by it being put right in front of my face! I didn't like that! I rather him do that then cheat but at the same time I want him and I want to satisfy him and I told him that.

Really I don't care if it a quickie in the bathroom with me wouldn't a man prefer to be with his woman the majority of the time?

I'd like to add one thing, when you found the paper towel and stained shorts... If he were keeping his promise he may have nocturnal discharge (wet dreams) which could be the reason.

That said, the lack of intimacy is more concerning than the lack of sex, there could be many reasons for him not to be in the mood. He could be stressed about supporting the family (as mentioned before). He could feel overwhelmed with the amount of kids or the new born issues (diapers, feedings, lack of sleep). He could feel jealous. My suggestions, stop worrying about what he is doing with his penis and worry about what you are doing with your vagina. If you need release, grab a vibrator and go to town (maybe you might let him "catch" you doing it). Maybe his attraction to you as a sexual being is overcome by his view of you as "mom" to his children. It happens. Maybe a shock to his system might rekindle things. You mentioned he used to enjoy oral sex, why not try waking him up like that.

It is hard to tell what will "fix" the problem... you know him better than we do... if you had some intimate games maybe you could try those.

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really i dont care if it a quickie in the bathroom with me wouldnt a man prefer to be with his woman the majority of the time?


You really should be using the Answer this question rather than the comment feature... it makes it harder to keep the thread orderly when there are multiple responders.


You are ignoring the main point I was making... THe baby is attached to your hip 24 hours a day or within a few feet... isn't it? It's only 3 months old so I'm guessing it is. You never answered that... if you did I didn't see it.

Most guys DO rather get off with a woman, you ARE right about that... BUT toss in a baby watching the whole thing and its going to take a whole lot of fun out of it... IF they could even pull it off at all. Because the reality is that is dangerously close to flashing. How much different is it having public sex in front of your own kid vs... say the neighbor kid? And at what age is it OK, and when does it not become OK any more? See my point?

This is what's rolling through his mind.

I was going to leave this thread alone as smoothy, cat, and synenn have it reasonably under control. Sometimes it takes just the right view to get everything in perspective.

You've been pregnant and you've just given birth. Relax and let your hormones even out. You are over reacting to relatively minor things.

A man will masturbate regardless of how happy and regular his sex life is. It is what we do. There is a saying, 90% of men will admit to masturbating and the other 10% are lying about it. Over generalization I know. We are just looking to... unload the gun. We don't want sex, we don't want to make love, we just want to masturbate. It isn't a reflection upon you or your abilities. We have a need that we're taking care of.

That being said. What I see here is almost a classic killed libido. While he was pounding you all through the first pregnancy things were probably a lot... I hate to say better. You probably were financially secure. You probably had low stress and low exhaustion. Most of the major triggers for a low libido weren't present.

From what I have read, as I have read this in spurts, I don't think you have calmly sat down and talked to him about this. You have come up with things that he's said to you. Though I get the feeling that lot of that was during emotional confrontations.

In an emotional confrontation it can be hard for a man to be honest and straight forward. So you need to sit down and talk to him and make sure he knows how you're feeling, not what your emotions are but how you're feeling. Be honest and non judgmental. Don't bring up the past, i.e. why aren't you plowing me like you were before, but that you're feeling neglected. Your sexual needs aren't being met.

As for oral sex, some men like it and others don't. He does enjoy sex with you, your two children should be evidence enough of that fact. It is just going to take a little bit to get everything back on track.

I know this is a hard situation, but if you just stay the course and Communicate with him. It will all work itself out.

Babysitter + hotel room

Just sayin'. It might get things back on track to where you can calm yourself down some and not be making it into a huge personal rejection. Lots of couples have a hard time getting their groove back after a baby. Adding the second one is usually the hardest time in a marriage in terms of demands on parents, and sometimes a second baby sounds easy until you try it and then it's really hard. Also you've got a big age difference there. His fatigue is valid and I hope you won't discount that.

Please give yourself a break and back down a little. Like others have said, he's keeping it at home and that's a good thing. I think if you give it some time, you'll get some love. Sign up for Groupon in your area; they often have good deals on hotel rooms. ;o)

K thanks. Just want to ask you this... I offered him a night out before christmas, movies dinner and maybe a couple drinks. We ahd a babysitter. His response was he hated the movies! So we never did it, 4 days later he took his son to a movie! I was really offened because he told me no and then turned around and took Junior. (thats his son from a different relationship.) Also that night he stayed in a hotel because we got in a argument (small argument but he tends to blow things out of proportion!) so while I was sitting at home with 2 kids he was out going to the movies he said he hated and spending the night with his son. I think my point is why did he deny me but then turn around and go a couple days later? And when I was at home crying and wondering where he was since he wouldn't answer then phone he was out having a good time!

In short... he admitted to doing it then he lied at first but then he told me later. I thought about the catching me thing! And all he has to worry about is work I have the rest under control and I still want to have sex at the end of the night.

No what I mean is HE is the one who wanted to have sex in kitchen with our daughter awake! I don't think the kids even phase him when it comes to sex. He rather do it somewhere other then the room which is more private.

We sat down and talked a couple times first he didn't want to talk at all cause it is a "private thing" but then he did. I have tried everything even to telling him that he try to give me a chance first.

Also the one time that he woke me up to say he was taking a shower he had just did it in the kitchen. What is our daughter wouldve walked in on that!

As for the baby, yes he does require a lot for me but he also sleeps amazingly! 5 hours at a shot, has a regular schedule, almost every night he is sleeping by 7 out cold! My boyfriend will watch TV till he falls asleep instead of being with me..

Not talk about masturbating. You shouldn't care about that. Not even a little bit.

You need to talk to him about intimacy. Why you're suddenly shut off. Don't even bring up his needs or his habits. You need to impress upon him that you're feeling neglected. That your needs aren't being met.

If you bring up masturbation then you've already shut him down. You need to open him up. If you attack him then you won't get anything from him. If you don't attack him and explain what your feeling and how bad it has gotten then he might get the point.

You're fixated on this one point and it is almost trivial. You're missing the big picture for a missdrawn corner.

I got dice for christmas as a gift he didn't even take them out of the package! Thought that wouldve been a hint. I don't know. Sometimes I feel were having sex to shut me up and in his mind then he thinks I don't think he is doing that anymore.

I see what your saying. I have told him that I feel neglected that he isn't showing me intimacy or pretty much anything but mastrubation probably came up in that conversation also. Maybe I should try again. But we are having sex occasionally now

Ok, keep in mind we only have one side of the story and we look at what you say and how you say it (sometimes how you say something tells more than what you actually said) to try to form a mental picture of what the other party might see.

You may have more than one issue at play here... you may not even be aware of what a few are.

He may be upset about something... it sounds a bit like there may be a fair amount of push and shove taking place (power struggle) tied in with the extra stress and confusion a little one brings to the table.

Its possible there is even something else nobody even thought of going on as well.

But I believe there might be a combination... and in a combination each on its own can seem minor and insignificant... but in combination a few little problems can become as bad as one big one. And rather than just letting it out... he's sucking it up and keeping it to himself.

The biggest thing is that he made this stupid promise but breaks it all the time and then remakes it I think in an attempt to keep me from mastrubating. He said that if I mastrubate then we will never have sex. I don't understand that comment!

GOOD POINT! I did forget to say that last time he told me he did it because he was aggravated from the night before. Now the argument was because he fell asleep on the couch while I was up struggling with two kids in the same room.

My 2 yr old needed to be read a book and tucked in the baby was fussing I don't know why and he was sleeping through this commotion! So I told to get up and go in the bed because I was jealous that he was sleeping and I was struggling and I also was

Losing my patience. But that didn't seem like a huge stresser to me since I was the one actually dealing with the chaos. He just woke up and went to bed. Then the next morning he woke up at 430! And for no reason everyone was sleeping and did that.

The only things we argue over is when he decides to go out drinking all night and not answer my call which isn't right and sometimes we have diffenrent outlooks on the kids. But minor ones. Oh and of course we did argue when I had this issue come up.

He does tend to hold things in and I always ask him what's wrong if I notice. But at the same time he does blow things out of proportion A lot.

Look at it this way... if its really such a dumb promise... then forget it was ever mentioned... I'll bet you made some promise you never really intended to keep... so would YOU get upset if the person you made it to kept hounding you about it? Seriously... if in the heat of passion you promised him you'd do a threesome sometime after he mentioned something to that effect... and in reality you would never think about doing such a thing... but he keeps hounding you on it non-stop? Should you really do it just because you make one promise? No... and neither should he... just let that issue drop. Once Ok... twice gets old... but the 4th or 5th time it becomes nagging.

Take a step back... take a breath... whatever you might be constantly telling him or pushing him on... let it slide... is it REALLY worth getting upset over if it causes him to shut down even IF he isn't openly yelling and screaming mad?

This might actually take care of itself IF that is where the problem actually lies.

Not saying its really you... or you really have done anything... just that if it appears to him you have it can be the same. We call that being the adult in the family, just let him "win" and then forget about it... and not trying to win a push and shove contest... there is never a winner when you have one of those... you both lose.

I've seen cases with friends where the wife starts ordering him around like he is one of the kids... and obviously he's going to take offense to it... even if he might not be upset enough yet to blow a gasket.

See if that defuses the situation before it gets any worse. It may take days or weeks... but if that's the source of the problem its going to improve... maybe not overnight... but over time.

But menatally take a step back... visualise this as a third party might see it from his side as well as yours trying to leave personal feelings out... as if it was friends of yours in exactly the same situation what would you do? Or how about if you reverse roles and it was the other way around. Sometimes looking at something this way can help.

First I want to say thank you for reading AND responding! OK so you have a lot of good points I don't want you to think I'm not listening to them. I don't know if you can give me a basic to this or not knowing that your not him. But why does he keep

Making this promise on his own when I've said to him all I wanted was to have a simple not every detail open relationship. I told him that I don't mind him doing it but if he not satisfying me as well I'm going to do the same. He said NO to that and

When I asked why he said that we will never have sex then. So in his mind is he saying that its OK for him but not me? Because if I'm satisfying myself we will never have sex but that's exactly what he did to me. I kind of already scratchd his promise

Knowing he isn't going to keep it I'm just trying to get the whole story out because I really need help with this.

I think I just don't want him to lie to me and say he isn't going to do it when he actually is and I just want to be able to come up with a compromise. My sex drive has doubled since this last pregnancy so I want to have sex and mastrubate also.

I told him that would be fine doing both in moderation but we shouldn't be only focusing on ourselves we need to focus on each other too. He doesn't want that. So he keeps saying he won't do it so I won't do knowing that I'm not a hypocrite.

You are still using the comment and not the answer box... thats why you get cut off so soon...

Got three words to say...

"Let it go".

Is it worth stewing over? No.... what else might you be stewing over? Remember what I said about sometimes its how you say it as much as what you say? You keep going back and hammering that same thing over, and over and over. If you do it on one thing...you do it on others....and it can be very irritating to the other person when it occurs.

Let it go.

There is a saying "take care of the big things and the little ones take care of themselves... "

In other words... micromanaging ANYTHING creates more problems than it solves.

Lifes too short to worry about every little thing... next thing you will know this little one will be graduating High school... or going out on her first date or getting married... and then how important would this be in comparison?

Ri, PLEASE use the "Answer this question" box at the bottom of the page instead of using the comments section. Your comments get cut off, and when you have multiple responses from the same person, we have no idea which post you're commenting on.

Honestly, I think you're making this into a big deal when it isn't. Have you ASKED him, calmly and when you're not arguing about it, what he meant by that statement?

You need to sit down and CALMLY talk about this. You also need to TRUST that he's being honest with you.

Sex does NOT equal love. What ELSE does he do to show you or tell you he loves you? Does he do chores? Surprise you with gifts? Share his secrets?

Bottom line is that if you aren't talking to him about the fact that you FEEL neglected (whether or not he is doing so), he can't address it.

And frankly, you might have higher expectations of how often sex should happen than most people in their mid-30s do. Hell, my husband and I are lucky if it's once a week sometimes! And we don't even have kids! I have an exhausting job lately, and the LAST thing I want to do is have sex--regardless that we used to do so more often. It has NOTHING to do with my husband.

And frankly, sometimes that quick release after a couple minutes of masturbating is ALL I am looking for. I don't want to have sex. I don't want to snuggle, I don't want ANYTHING except a quick orgasm. That ALSO has nothing to do with my husband.

And let me tell you, if he constantly pestered me about it, I'd shut down completely and REALLY not want to have sex.

TALK to him about it. Don't freak out, get emotional, cry, whatever. Tell him how you feel, and ask him to talk to you about it.

Thank you Synnen! Yes he does tell me he loves me sometime he could show it better. He does occasionally help around the house which I appreciate knowing his work is hard. I agree with you when you say that there are times when I don't want to have sex but want to feel that release.

Yes, since this became an issue again right before the holidays, I waited till last night to talk to him. I told him (calmly) that I don't want him to make a promise he can't keep, I said that I love having sex with him and that I do long for the emotional things as well. I said that people do this it normal but I want honesty not lies to shut me up. If you want to do it that's fine but I will too. He simply said he doesn't want to do that and I asked why not and he just said that if I do it too then we probably will never have sex. He doesn't tell me everything I think he is leaving something out here.

Like your husband knows you do that right you don't lie and hide it from him completely? Am I wrong for wanting the truth in this situation?

I have told him multiple times that I feel neglected in an argument and also calmly sitting down and talking.

I am going to talk to him again try to use some of the advice everyone gave me. I think its helped just venting and talking about it.

Like I said before the biggest thing that bothered me about all this was that he made me feel like crap (probably not intentional but) when I was pregnant he never said I was pretty, beautiful, o just looked nice. He didn't give me any attention emotional or sexual. He didn't even ask if maybe he could get me off and I could do the same for him. It hurt me and I'm probably relating that hurt to this situation and that why its so big to me. Like every time he does this I think about how bad it hurt walking in the bathroom seeing that and feeling crushed/shocked. He was fine with just that he didn't need me AT ALL. Not even mix it up a bit. Anyway it something I probably need to work out myself, the feelings that are connected to this.

I have a question for CRAVENMORHEAD...

You said in your one response that "we dont want to have sex, make love, we just want to mastrubate. we have needs and were taking care of them"

Why wouldn't he want me to take care of them? He loves oral sex, I used to get him off every different way without having sex or even expecting anything in return. Why does he want to take care of them?

Weird question I know just something I thought of. If you can't answer that's OK.

Thank you for the other responses.

Im not sure what you all are talking about replies and such. I only see ONE way to reply. Maybe she does too. I'm confused what other reply there is other than the 'quote user' and 'answer this question' I don't see anything else lol.






Anyway, another poster pointed out something about a power struggle. If you are open to it have you tried being a submissive wife? Many women disagree with this type of relationship but it works for many others as well. Basically you allow him to be head of the house and make all the rules and deciisons and you follow them, you can always give your opinion, you can always explain what you want and how you feel. But ultimately YOU leave it up to HIM. You GIVE him those reigns to the relationship. Sometimes it can be a HUGE change in a relationship for the better.

Im not sure what you all are talking about replies and such. i only see ONE way to reply. maybe she does too. im confused what other reply there is other than the 'quote user' and 'answer this question' i dont see anything else lol.






anyway, another poster pointed out something about a power struggle. if yuo are open to it have you tried being a submissive wife? many women disagree with this type of relationship but it works for many others as well. basically you allow him to be head of the house and make all the rules and deciisons and you follow them, you can always give your opinion, you can always explain what you want and how you feel. but ultimately YOU leave it up to HIM. you GIVE him those reigns to the relationship. sometimes it can be a HUGE change in a relationship for the better.

It depends on which layout she is running... I preffer the old one myself.

Im not sure what you all are talking about replies and such. i only see ONE way to reply. maybe she does too. im confused what other reply there is other than the 'quote user' and 'answer this question' i dont see anything else lol.






anyway, another poster pointed out something about a power struggle. if yuo are open to it have you tried being a submissive wife? many women disagree with this type of relationship but it works for many others as well. basically you allow him to be head of the house and make all the rules and deciisons and you follow them, you can always give your opinion, you can always explain what you want and how you feel. but ultimately YOU leave it up to HIM. you GIVE him those reigns to the relationship. sometimes it can be a HUGE change in a relationship for the better.


She's in the newest skin, Jennie.

ALSO--while the submissive wife works in SOME situations, in others it turns out HORRIBLY---to the point of abuse and control. And frankly, ain't no WAY it would work in my household. My husband would be bored with a "yes-woman", and I'd explode letting him handle everything.

He says he doesn't want to admit to masturbating because if he does then you will and you two will never have sex? Have I got that right?

My husband masturbates and so do I. Yes, we both know the other does, but it doesn't mean we have to report back on every occasion. If I walk in on hubby I either give him a smile, and maybe a kiss, and leave him to it, or offer to join in. As for my masturbating meaning less sex, hardly. Quite the reverse if anything.

When you walked in on him and were shocked I assume the shock was because you were feeling neglected. I'm not sure exactly why the sex had dropped away, although it's hardly rare where pregancy and young babies are concerned. I think you took it way too personally, although with pregancy and hormones etc that's highly understandable. As for him, imagine being caught masturbating and your lover reacts with shock and horror. How would that make you feel? Most of us would feel a little vulnerable in that situation.

You say he hates going to the movies but took his son. I loathe going swimming but took my kids regularly. That's what parents do.

You have both built up some mountains out of molehills. Very easily done with new babies and high emotions around. You both need to try and relax around each other. Let the unimportant stuff go and separate out the important stuff and work on that together. Don't make it all a battle.

I have a question for CRAVENMORHEAD...

You said in your one reponse that "we dont want to have sex, make love, we just want to mastrubate. we have needs and were taking care of them"

Why wouldnt he want me to take care of them? He loves oral sex, I used to get him off every different way without having sex or even expecting anything in return. Why does he want to take care of them?

weird question i know just something i thought of. If you can't answer thats ok.

Thank you for the other responses.

Very easily in fact. Men get off. Sometimes it is in a woman and sometimes it is in our hands. The difference is timing and impression. When we, I use the royal we here, masturbate it is to a specific end, usually to reach orgasm as quickly as possible. To unload and move on. Clear the head if you will. We, at least I did, feel bad about using a woman as a ***-dumpster. The reason why is probably because at this juncture he didn't want romance, he didn't want to worry about turning you on and getting you wet. He just wanted release. He didn't want any of the additional emotional and physical overhead of a sexual encounter with you.

Chances are he wants to get off and doesn't want you to think that he is just using you as a masturbation aid. It is also a time thing, 5 min compared to... how long would it take for you to get him off, that includes dropping EVERYTHING that you are doing?

It never was meant to be a slight against you. It is always nicer to have a woman take care of you, but there are times when you just take care of business.

I didn't do a good job of explaining that did I?

Something you should know about men, we do not like (and it doesn't arouse--most of us that is--)to be continuously blasted for things and not listened to.

I am saying that because, you have been told multipole times not to use the comment box to reply, yet you continue to do it... I imagine that is not something unique to this board, you need to chill out...

I agree with Cravens point, let your hormones relax and mellow out... it sounds from what you have posted that you are going at him left right and center... and being a little bit "crazy" isn't unusual after child birth, you need to go and get some "me" time... alone... just you... and recharge yourself. Try getting a babysitter and going to a friends house or get a hotel room and have a datenight with yourself... whatever it takes... but if you are at him as much as it sounds you are going to destroy whatever chance you might have of fixing the problem.

Pressure/stress is the enemy of intimacy.

It also sounds like you are feeling overwhelmed with the kids and he isn't helping as much as you feel he should be. You might want to figure out what the real issue here is for you, and deal with that one.

I feel for you, I had twins and was the promary caretaker for them for their first 3 years, get some help with them, family, nanny, whatever... take a little of the stress off yourself.

ADTHERN:
There might be a lot of "real" issues that are causing my stress about this. I don't know if you saw the one thing I posted but I'm just going to say it again... I think I'm relating his masturbation to the fact that he TOTALLY shut me out when he was doing it faithfully. I feel like that is the reason I get no imtimacy from him, even just holding me after a long day, I guess it would feel good for me to know someone appreciates what I do for my family, maybe just give me a good hug.

About the night to myself you are totally right I do need that but he won't give it to me. I shouldn't have to get a sitter when he is capable of doing it. Hes has gone out like 5 or 6 times since the baby was born and usually he doesn't answer his phone and drinks all night. This causes anxiety and jealousy.

The other thing when you said 5 minutes instead of whatever time it takes for us. To be honest he doesn't take long to go sometimes he does but rarely. A lot of times I would have sex just to get him. Like I said I love to turn him on I like to be involved most of the time just for him, maybe that's why I feel so unappreciated cause I always tried to do what he wanted and all of a sudden he just stopped wanting it.

EVERYONE:
I don't know, I gues the next help I need is How can I approach him without him getting so upset. Last night I tried to talk to him using the advice I got here and he still got pissed off. He just refuses to talk about anything that might have to do with this whole situation. Even if I don't bring up mastrubation he knows that's what its coming down to and tells me he doesn't want to talk about it.

EVERYONE:
I dont know, I gues the next help i need is How can i approach him without him getting so upset. Last night i tried to talk to him using the advice i got here and he still got pissed off. He just refuses to talk about anything that might have to do with this whole situation. Even if i dont bring up mastrubation he knows thats what its coming down to and tells me he doesnt want to talk about it.

Maybe BECAUSE its right on the heals on what he sees as hounding... he's not ready to hear anything just yet.

Basically you have to let the fire die down before you try to spread around the ashes, otherwise all you do is spread the fire. Give it a little bit of time... like a few days , a week maybe. And when you do... be REALLY careful what words you use. Pretend its YOU that was on the receiving end about something YOU are really sensitve about. Leave you personal opinions out of it if that makes sense as to what I'm trying to say.

You can't negotiate if you walk in swinging and refusing to hear ANY other perspective... and this IS a negotiation.

Good saying to remember is this...


"Opinions are like Buttholes.....everyone has one, and they all stink."

Go in remembering there is ALWAYS more than one perspective to any situation... and sometimes they can BOTH be right, or wrong.