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CaliforniaMom
Dec 27, 2010, 06:05 PM
I'm SHOCKED at this development. They are 28 and 30 and have constructed a fiction of abuse at my hands. I certainly wasn't a perfect mom - but I never hit them, read lots of books, pretty much got professional advice on parenting throughout their childhoods (I'm divorced and their dad was ALWAYS VERY involved - we get along great - in fact, we are neighbors).

Now when they come to visit, I dread it. I get yet another version of how bad I was. Sometimes I almost laugh because it's so ridiculous. Most of the time I'm extremely confused by what they are saying - and SADDENED. My son is the sweet one and after a "talk" he always feels bad and says he wants to end the visit on a positive note. I have told him I think this is a developmental thing - he didn't like that much.

My 30 y.o. daughter is EXTREMELY enraged at me because I cannot give her money any longer. My income has dropped by 75%. Yes, I was sending her money all these years while she "got started" in god knows how many careers.

I think my kids are entitled, spoiled, and self-centered. I love them enormously - I would literally die for them in a minute. I'm a mom. But I'm weary of this treatment and recently began to realize it's emotional abuse.

My wonderful sister-in-law has helped me a LOT. She was there the whole time - she saw how they were treated by me and by their dad. She says there is NOTHING for either of us to feel guilty about. She agrees I'm being emotionally abused. And she counsels abused women and children.

Ready for the punch line? I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST! I am! I'm a doctor! Managed "care" has destroyed my income and I cannot afford therapy. How ironic! I know what to do and I'm doing those things with my head - now that I recognize that I'm actually being emotionally abused, especially by my daughter. And I know my greatest guilt is in having spoiled her for so long.

I am a kind-hearted person. In fact, I'm guilty of being a doormat. Working on that. Standing up to my daughter and saying "I cannot send you money - you are hurting my retirement" has utterly enraged her. But I am not giving in. I'm NOT going to start cashing in retirement savings so I can send her money! I'm 56 years old! I need to continue SAVING money.

I know this is overly long and poorly organized. I'm frankly heartbroken. And I think there are a lot of other parents who are dealing with this same thing. I want to hear from them. I want to hear their stories. I'm the doctor - I can't talk about my problems! So here I am, on the Internet, looking for some consolation from others. Thank GOD for the Internet!

Okay, my brothers and sisters out there! Let's hear what you have to say. I bet I'm not alone in this.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 27, 2010, 06:09 PM
Oh! A bit more - I THOUGHT if I was kind to them, it would sort of rub off. I think part of it is generational - I think a lot of young adults now are in what I call "The Entitled Generation." BUT - I clearly did not require enough of them - I didn't hold their feet to the fire enough. And I'm a psychologist - I've heard HORRIBLE stories about truly abusive childhoods. I've reported abusive parents to Child Protective Services. My best friend's mother was a paranoid schizophrenic - now THAT is a bad mother!

I just don't get it. Partly (mostly... ) I'm waiting for them to GROW UP. No clue how long that will take, but it sure seems like it's taking a long time. When I think of ALL those times I held my tongue, gave thoughtful replies, sat for hours listening to tales of woe, was patient, patient, patient... and now I get THIS rubbish??

It's crazy-making. And I'm supposed to be an expert. HA!

Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2010, 06:10 PM
There must be counselors in your area who work on a sliding scale. Or meet with a minister or priest who has a good rep as a counselor. You need to talk through this with someone. (I'm a master's level counselor.) And keep posting here too, please. This site has some amazing people on it.

gemmax
Dec 27, 2010, 06:14 PM
Hi. You certainly are not alone. I recommend a very good and down-to-earth book to you called "When Parents Hurt". You can search for it on amazon.com or your local bookstore.
Since this has occurred in my own life, I have searched for all the information I can find. It seems that we may have tried to be a bit too enlightened, been too concerned about every aspect of our child's life and just perhaps too "good" to them. This has been the most painful experience of my life, and I do not see how I will ever get past it, but with the support I have found so far, I have been able to rid myself of guilt, and learned how to respond to my child. I am so sorry that you are experiencing this, however, from what I understands there is an epidemic of this circumstance in America today. Please obtain this book and read it right through and keep it to study. I promise it will be very helpful to you.

gemmax
Dec 27, 2010, 06:19 PM
One more thing, many counselors are now finding that they may have actually advised adult children to stop seeing their parents or to confront them, without understanding the entire situation.Then, it seems many of them are facing this situation too.

Fr_Chuck
Dec 27, 2010, 07:22 PM
Well there are still many of high paying carreers in you field, including private counseling and the such, so I do not know what your 100 percent income was, but there is no reason you can't earn enough to earn a good living. Perhaps there is a budget issue that needs to be addressed.

As for the kdis, cut them off from money and giving, they are grown and need to stand on their own.

And the lies or negative meetings, just don't have them over, or let them know as soon as they start complaining or making up stories, you will ask them to leave. ** and do it.

You control who comes into your home and what they can or can not say without being told to leave.

jenniepepsi
Dec 28, 2010, 10:32 AM
Cut them off and kick them out. Do NOT invite them over. Make it clear that they are NOT welcome until they can behave like adults instead of spoiled children. Cut those strings mommy! Good luck *hugs*

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:23 PM
WOW! I just took a look on Amazon. This is exactly what I need - how ironic - I have had parents tell me this same story I'm telling you... and usually I was guilty of thinking there must have been SOMETHING horrible they did. Wow. THANK YOU!

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:27 PM
Thank you, Wonder girl! I think I'll talk with one of my shrinky friends. It's embarrassing because I have this great reputation for advising parents - even wrote a book! Now I'm thunderstruck and heartsick. It feels terrible.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:30 PM
I think it's some kind of developmental thing... I have been searching the literature and can't find anything really - but it just has to be something worth researching. Just look at those books about it! So bewildering...

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:42 PM
THANK YOU, Fr Chuck! My field has really been impacted by the economy. I'll figure it out. This thing with my kids is SO bizarre because I'm one of those "experts" who advise other people on how to parent. I never DREAMED this would happen to me.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:43 PM
Fortunately - or unfortunately - they live in other states. So our lovely Christmas visit had them both ganging up on me with their list of complaints - nothing specific. Nothing concrete. It's almost like they are 13 again. It's so strange.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 02:45 PM
Hehe - Jennie - thank you. They don't live with me. Gosh, I might kill myself if they did! Yes, the strings are cut - and I think I should have cut them long ago, frankly. The economy did it for me. I just thought they would really be adults by now.

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2010, 02:49 PM
Comment on Wondergirl's post
I think I'll talk with one of my shrinky friends. It's embarrassing because I have this great reputation for advising parents - even wrote a book!
You might want to consider talking with a non-friend shrink (i.e. someone with a good rep in the right area but who doesn't know you). When I was a teacher, my most difficult students were my own kids, and as a counselor, I avoided working with friends and relatives. You know we aren't to be friends with clients; it works the other way too.

And I'd love to read your book, but don't want to mess up your anonymity. Remember the motto, "Physician, heal thyself." Our most difficult clients are ourselves.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 28, 2010, 04:09 PM
Gosh, you are SOOO wise! But I just don't have the cash to pay anyone. Sucks. It's very, very strange - like someone telling you they can't stand how your hair talks all the time. I understand what you are saying - THANK YOU! You're a sweetie!

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2010, 04:47 PM
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But I just don't have the cash to pay anyone.
Now c'mon. If you're in the business, you know there are counselors that offer help on a sliding scale, and I hope you know that townships and counties have a human/social services department that also offers counseling on a sliding scale. And, of course, ministers and priests do counseling (I know my Lutheran minister father did), a number of them quite effectively and would not demand money or that you join the church, but might ask for a thank-you contribution to the church somewhere along the line.

I would not want a psychologist/counselor friend counseling me and hearing so much about my personal business. That's not fair to that person and to the friendship.

Jake2008
Dec 28, 2010, 07:59 PM
Adult children need to act like adults.

Regardless of how much you have allowed them to be dependent upon you financially and otherwise, they need to grow up.

Think of the positive side of this. If you put your foot down, set some simple boundaries, make it clear what the consequences of crossing them are, and stop enabling them to live their selfish, self centered lives, you are doing THEM a favour.

Start by setting some house rules. No more ambushes. Period. Any resentments they hold toward you will no longer be entertained. You are no longer going to be a sitting duck for their abusive behaviour. They are welcome in your home to visit, but their conversations are no longer to revolve around their personal assaults on you.

Stop the money flow. If you cannot get the words out to your daughter in person, send her an email, with a copy to her father. Simply tell her that at her age, she is now responsible for her own financial successes and failures. Don't offer any excuses, or justifications for your decision.

While you may very well be responsible to some degree for allowing them to remain dependent upon you well into their adulthood, it is now time to do a little 'correction', and let them know that what they have enjoyed and come to expect from you, will no longer happen.

The most important thing is to simply stop them. If they are in your home and begin to lament about what a rotten mother/person you were/are, stand up, tell them the visit was nice, but it's now over. And I mean over. Time for them to leave.

Don't revisit the visit. If they are angry, or make phone calls, or send email, delete it all, and let it sink in, that you are serious, and they are no longer able to treat you the way they have been, because there are consequences.

It is never too late to change, you, or them. Life will be so much easier for you when you decide to put an end to their behaviour.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 29, 2010, 05:24 PM
Thank you, Jake! Now that I've had a couple of days to think, I realize this is developmental - a very late separation/individuation. Ironic - I considered parenting my best thing. I feel a lot better and I'm taking NONE of it in. No more.

CaliforniaMom
Dec 31, 2010, 04:23 PM
Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. Some GREAT people here! I think I'll stick around.

I'm feeling much better - a couple of days went by and I'm over the shock of my son treating me this way. I was used to it from my daughter - she's always been more work. But we each have our own path to growing up.

My sister-in-law (the family calls her The Goddess - she's wonderful) helped me review my life as a mother. She knows absolutely everything about me - she is my best friend. I tell my brother if they ever divorce, I'll miss him! I sat down and made a list of all the therapists we took the kids to over the years. Each one got his/her own therapist - as well as my ex and me. The therapists all had consent to talk with each other... and we had one for all of us as a family. Putting it down on paper, I realize what extraordinary lengths we went to in order to assure the best childhood we could provide. If horrible things were going on, SOMEONE would have said SOMETHING.

I don't know why my kids are doing this - it's incredible to me. I always valued kindness. But I know I am not alone... I've seen other similar stories here and in other places on the Internet. Few people are willing to say this out loud and I understand why. Because people would wonder... you must have done SOMETHING awful for your kids to be so upset, right?

That's what I used to think. I did. There must have been something. Well, it isn't necessarily so. My kids are entitled and over-indulged. That's on us. But we were kind and supportive of anything they were interested in. And we got along great with each other, even though we were divorced. We weren't perfect but we were damn close. There are no guarantees.

So - I'll continue to be kind and firm and count myself lucky that they aren't criminals! I certainly am not going to cash in retirement savings to give them money. And they absolutely cannot live with me. And from now on, I'll make it clear that they are welcome to visit but they will be asked to leave if they sing in the "Mom's not perfect" chorus. That choir is not welcome in my home.

They'll grow up. Eventually. Until then, I'm okay. Thank you, all. You are so kind and I am very grateful.

Jake2008
Dec 31, 2010, 05:00 PM
I think you just needed to hear that you aren't a rotten person, or a rotten mother. This has all most likely been causing you a lot of grief for a long time, but, you are to be forgiven. The best parents doing all the right things don't always produce the result we expect.

I agree with the entitlement idea. We give too much even if we can't afford to because we don't want them to have any disadvantage in life. And if we can afford to give, we give too, because we don't want our kids to have any disadvantages. The whole spectrum of raising kids isn't defined by income, or profession. I've worked with all stripes in all mental health professions, and the bottom line is, we are all just human, and sometimes we just don't see what's in front of us.

I think some years I deserved at least one gold medal for screwing up with my kids. Any good parent I know would say the same.

But, you're on the right track, and it's good to see your new resolve! I am hoping that you will feel some sense of satisfaction in taking control of your life, and no longer letting your children treat you poorly. No doubt they will test you because they've had it too good, too long. Stick to your guns Californiamom, you're doing the right thing, and you're going to be just fine.

Happy New Year!

fotocopiesrus
Jan 23, 2011, 12:28 AM
I am so sad to hear of your predicament, I'm in the same boat and don't understand why! My son is almost 37, married at 24 to his childhood sweetheart, had an affair with a married woman 9 years into the marriage which lasted 9mths then on New Years Day dropped the bombshell on his wife and 2 kids (7 and 5 at the time)that he was leaving to live with the married woman who also told her husband of not quite 1 year that she was leaving to live with my son within 5mths the new girl was pregnant, (planned apparently, they had a beautiful little boy who will be 4 in Feb.
So that's the story in a nutshell, now this is how I have been treated since he moved out at 18 with his sweetheart. I was basically a single mum and he and I use to get on very well until the year of his affair, he became rude, disrespectful, I just couldn't understand, I knoew something was up but the last thing I thought of was an affair, OK I get that his guilt etc was probably the cause of his mean and nasty attitude towards me and I would not stand up to him because I wasn't use to it or more to the point I didn't know how to handle it, so I'd let it go. When the break up happened I was in another state as he made it quite clear how bad I was as a mother and all the things I'd done wrong etc etc, I thought I had done a pretty good job but in his eyes, no way! I was informed by my daughter in law after a couple of days so I got on a plane and came straight back, only to find my son had moved into my place without informing me, I didn't know what was going on, we talked a little and he was upset but I was fine, then he got te kids overnight, on condition they stayed at my place for the night. Well, he kept putting crap on me, I said nothing, just went along with him, thinking he was venting and in a bad place, so I suggested getting tea together for the kids, he'd gotten sausages for the kids and a huge steak for himself and told me I was having sausages, I suggested a small bit of the steak (from my fridge) for me and a couple of sausages, he went off, still said nothing, thought it was best for him to calm first. Then as I was taking the plates to the table for us to eat he told me I was nothing but a crack head drug addict and that was when I went to slap him across the face for saying a lie like that, he then shaped up to me put his hand (in a choking manner) around my jaw and pushed me to the other side of the room. The kids were beside themselves, I was devastated about what had just occurred, he was screaming and yelling like I had never seen before! It was that bad I told him that if he didn't stop I would call the police, he didn't so I pretended to, with that he said he was going and not coming back, he threw his things into the car then came back and told me he was taking the kids, I was truly concerned the kids safety and he knew their mother wanted them to stay at my place. That was Jan 2006, he didn't speak to me until Feb 2010 at my instigation after many failed attempts. So now what is happening, my 2 grandsons now 12-13 and 11 go every 2nd w-end to my son's place who he shares with the same girl and their son. I have always encouraged them to go regardless of the situation between us back then and still. I rarely see my 3rd gradchild or them for that matter since making contact in Feb 2010. I get on well with my x daughter in law after all she is the mother of 2 of my grandchildren on not only that she is the most easy person to get along with and DOESN'T like confrontations at all and goes along with whatever my son does or says so se hasn't created any dramas for him or his family. What happenes whenever they go to their fathers' every other w-end about every 2nd time the girl says they have nits then their father shaves their heads as she says it's the best way to be rid of them. I know the 2kids are not wanting to go each time because they don't know what they are in for. He rang to complain they had nits and I suggested not to shave their heads as they may resent him for it and not come anymore... his answer 'well that's their choice', I said his x and he had decided that she would have the kids hair professional cut so use the solution, with that he screamed at me that I side with the x all the time, (which I truly don't for obvious reasons), he called me f!@# c!@# amongst other things and hung up and now the kids are back home and they rang me to see how I was because they thought I would be upset cause they heard their father screaming at me, they were upset and now I am at a loss, hope my situation makes you feel your not alone... if you have any suggestions Iam open to them

CaliforniaMom
Feb 2, 2011, 11:06 AM
Oh my goodness - that's HORRIBLE! Oh gosh - I can't imagine how you must feel. I'm so, so, so sorry to read this. I do think he must be mentally ill - these behaviors are very extreme. I'm SO sorry!

PristinePortia
Mar 20, 2011, 08:55 AM
I am in a similar situation. I have been married for 30 years. Most of the time my husband was away so I tried to make up for his absence. I gave my son everything he wanted. He wanted to study abroad and I made every effort for him to go to a public school. I knew that if I separated from his father I would never be able to give my son a lifestyle. I thought that in time he would go to university and take on responsibility. I was wrong. He now blames me for having sent him away to school even though he wanted to go. Also the money given to him his never enough. He is always asking for more money. I am 53 and I need to save for myself. I love him too much. He is abusive and lately he has been resorting to physical violence.. I don't know where this is coming from! All I know is that I am deeply saddened. I feel like life has come to an end... there is not much point in dragging it any further. He is my only child.. sometimes I feel that I should give him everything I have and just die!

foolishme
Jun 17, 2011, 08:36 AM
I wonder if it is a CA thing, I am in the same situation. It is heartless and cruel . I thought they loved us as much as we loved them. They play games and spread lies. I just don't know why. My husband is disabled and I am in poor health. No we were not perfect but we never ever did anything to deserve this treatment. It seems to be about money but we were never rich. Nor did we make allot .it is very strange. No one left us anything. I just don't know.

dandnw
Sep 1, 2011, 12:37 AM
Wow, My heart goes out to every one of you and I wish you didn't have to go through this, but I must say I am both relieved and horrified to learn that I am not alone in this nightmare. I would describe the dynamics and history of my relationship with my oldest son, but it would literally sound like I had copied parts of each of the above 4 postings.
I recently wrote a document that I gave to each of my boys entitled "Healthy boundaries for Adult children and their parents". I outlined some basics that I gave both boys then I did a specific "financial boundaries" for each as they are 21 and 28 and the younger one is in college (actually taking a semester off). I began the document by explaining that I had just recently realized that in my attempt to be helpful, (but in actuality serving as the backup plan for everything from an increase in utility bills to paying for their pot to doing their laundry as if I were fluff and fold... )I have inadvertently failed to give them the opportunity to become financially independent etc. I explained further that I wished I had figured this out earlier but better late than never and then I laid out specifics of what I would and wouldn't cover and for how long.
At first my younger son said it wasn't fair and when I asked why he said "because you ENABLED my brother until he's 28+ why don't I get the same amount of time?" Yes, HE said ENABLED. I then pointed out that he answered his own question. Since that time, he has not asked for a penny and has gone out of his way to let me know that he really appreciates the six months of cell phone and car insurance that I am providing for both during this transition etc. My older son, however, has not been nearly as gracious (understatement). He says I'm greedy and selfish which is consistent with the terrible childhood fantasy he hit me with a few years back. He decided that having to walk (could have driven but lost his license due to DUI) two blocks to get his brother from day care at 5:30 and watch him until 6:30 or 7:00 four days a week (for which I paid him $20a day/hr) was neglectful. That has morphed into a story about having raised his brother because I was not around.
I am learning that is on the mild side of the stories he tells. The bits and pieces that have gotten back to me don't even seem to have been spun from real incidents - perhaps he picked them up from TV shows or movies? The scariest thing is that I think he now believes the crap he made up, He is very invested in his avoidance methods and nothing and nobody is too big a price if these are threatened.
Just yesterday when he was telling me to F off, he mentioned that I have grandchild coming and I'll be lucky to see the child. Until I heard this I have been so looking forward to becoming a grandparent. He has dated several nice girls over the years however, the one that is evidently pregnant is a 20 year old 'mentally disabled' gal who already has a one year old and according to my son (grain of salt) is an unfit, sometimes abusive parent. So I'm having a little trouble feeling excited about what may be an upcoming birth of my 1st grandchild because this baby will be starting life having drawn short straws as far as genetic mental stability and two emotionally disturbed parents.
It is an upsetting yet evidently not unique set of behaviors/beliefs. I'm guessing that within a few years it will have a name such as 'childhood memory disturbance syndrome... ' I for one, hope it is named after the person who figures out the cure or anecdote... and I hope that happens soon because living in this bizarre parallel universe is a nightmare!
I know that women are more likely to reach out for help and support. I wonder if that is why it seems that only women are posting about this or as women are we easier targets?
Wishing all of you peace,
Nancy

Betysboots
Oct 11, 2011, 09:19 AM
You aren't alone. My 30 year old daughter made some really bad decisions. She lost everything and brought her 4 year old to come live with my husband and I. We have a tiny house. Only 2 bedrooms. I set everything up in the spare room so her and her daughter would have a good place to sleep. She and her daughter have been with us now for 10 months. She had a few part time jobs for a few weeks, then decided she was going back to college. She has never given us a dime. The baby's father occasionally gives her money, but we never see any of it. My husband is retired (disabled) and I recently lost my job. I will be 60 in a few days and have gotten a seasonal part time job. The biggest problem is she treats me so badly. If she wants to go out and doesn't want to take the baby, she gets furious with me if I say I wanted to do something. If I don't do what she wants she says hurtful things to me. Yes, she thinks I owe her this life? I raised her and her sister with love and respect. But she believes I need to continue to support her and make sure she gets everything she wants. Her sister is completely self sufficient and very loving. It's like they didn't grow up in the same family. I will buy the book recommended by someone else on this post. I am hoping it will help me.

CaliforniaMom
Nov 20, 2011, 03:52 AM
These messages are so helpful and saddening! I do appreciate these responses. I'm still so baffled, but I think my daughter has a personality disorder. She was always difficult and I tried SO hard to be the best mom for her! We had her in therapy on and off for her entire childhood and adolescence. She was just do difficult. And not ONCE did any of those people tell us we were messing up. Doesn't matter - we KNOW we were kind and loving. But we indulged them too much. I was so confident I was doing it right - I teach parenting classes. I have parents and kids in therapy. It's so ironic.

Some of you might be interested in the work of Elizabeth Loftus, Ph.D. She does research on memory. We all have false memories - and yes, they can come from movies, TV, stories in the news, things you hear from others. I know my daughter was never abused by us. There were times, when she was young, that I would ask her if she ever had been mistreated by anyone - she was SOOOO emotional. She always said she was not. And she's so fierce when she thinks any POSSIBLE wrong has come her way, I just cannot imagine her not telling me. Now she's 31 - surely, she would have told us by now.

I told her that she was hurting our retirement and she screamed, "I don't give a F*** about your retirement!! You OWE me!!" I was speechless.

It's been three years now - three years since she told me she wanted nothing to do with me because we were no longer supporting her. She has poisoned her brother a bit - but he's not as difficult as she is. Our two adopted kids (how ironic!) think she's "crazy" and don't understand why both of the bio kids have any problem with us at all. They are lovely young adults - responsible, working, married - living adult lives. And both biological kids are giving us hell.

It's extremely painful. But it is lovely of the good people here to reach out to a stranger and offer support - as well as telling their own stories. I think if we tell each other these most painful things, it helps - it helps us all to not feel so alone in these baffling, agonizing situations. I thank you all for your kindness.

Walrusnotes
Jan 12, 2012, 08:34 PM
I am in this same situation with my 23 year old son. He is an immature,self absorbed brat and I get phone calls that start okay, then he moves to a "poor me" conversation, then when I don't respond the way he thinks I should respond (which is always the case no matter what I say), he starts to get angry, and I become the "whipping boy" for him to beat up on verbally and mentally. I too will get the book, I really have to put a stop to this. As for your daughter,like my son, when he does not get his way he will make darn sure that absolutely no one else in the world is happy if he can't be happy. My husband says it is displacement,but really at this point of exhaustion and abuse and anxiety when he calls who really cares what it is. It is just wrong.

CaliforniaMom
Jan 20, 2012, 11:16 AM
WALRUSNOTES: I am truly sorry to hear you are dealing with this problem, as well. This must be the entitled generation. I am to be blamed for supporting my daughter for far too long, and for not requiring enough of her. But she's 31 now and it is no longer something I should feel guilty about. I know I was consistently kind to her - she was extremely difficult. Looking from a few paces of distance, I believe she has a personality disorder. To be specific, narcissistic personality disorder. She is entitled.

I think that is a problem with this generation of young people. I think we parents were so concerned that they have happy childhoods and we didn't want them to feel deprived, that we robbed them of enough situations where they had to deal with disappointment. I think I did, anyway. Oh, she had disappointment, and I was well aware that I was allowing that. It was for her development. Life slams the door shut in our faces sometimes. Life says "no" to us sometimes. And life is certainly not fair. But I am certain I didn't allow ENOUGH "nos" in her life. And with what looks like narcissistic personality disorder - at least some traits - well, I don't expect anything from her. I honestly wonder if she loves me. I mean really loves me. It is a thing I may never know.

I wrote the original post over a year ago and nothing has changed. That's not quite true... I am more okay with all this. I no longer weep when I really think about it. Not always, anyway. And I have told some close friends and done so without weeping. Progress.

I found a wonderful book by Joshua Colemn. "When Parents Hurt: Compassionate Strategies When You and Your Grown Child Don't Get Along. It's a terrific book; Dr. Coleman had his own issue with his daughter. It helped me enormously to see another psychologist having the struggle I'm having. I felt a bit of a fraud before I read his book - I'm the expert. I'm the person people come to for answers... and I am having my own baffling problem.

http://www.amazon.com/When-Parents-Hurt-Compassionate-Strategies/dp/B002WTC94W/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327082369&sr=1-1

The other book mentioned in these posts was mine, actually. I didn't name it because I would lose my anonymity - the Internet lives forever, you know. It is a parenting book. There are many excellent parenting books. I recommend, for your phase in life, Dr. Coleman's book. It will help you feel better about YOU - and about your parenting.

It's ironic - so ironic. Here I am, a person who has been in the media as an expert, author of a parenting book, someone who gives lectures and who helps others with their parenting. I worked SO HARD to do everything right - and I did really well, outside of not allowing enough disappointment. But a personality disorder is extremely difficult for a parent to deal with - even a parent such as me.

I know you love your son... but YOU matter, too! You are somebody's daughter, just as he is your son. Your feelings matter. Your well being matters. Your life satisfaction... your happiness... these things matter. Your son's brain isn't finished physically developing - that's the good news. He has a few years yet - but even if he continues in this manner... even if he, like my daughter, is unkind to you at age 31, YOU matter. It is time to nurture your mother's daughter.

I wish you well. I wish I had the power to change this for you. For all of us.

makesmecry
Sep 21, 2012, 10:56 PM
You are not alone, and you are not immune, just because of your profession. I am that doormat personality, and have tried to be nicer to a daughter who gets off on her emotional assinations of my character. Truth is I'm guilty of being a loving mom that over mothers, and Im learning to not let her have that control, but its scary I get that feeling that Ill lose her. Ive considered helping out other teens or donating my time to kids without parents, because maybe it will get my focus in a better direction. Also, maybe it will give me a sense of satisfaction because I do love helping others, and I was a foster child, so I understand how it feels to want a parent, and have none.

Just know that sometimes therapy doesn't hold all the answers, you already know by now it happens to us all. Maybe you enabled but after a while of holding you ground you'll send the message to your children that you deserve to be treated like more than a bank, but like a mother. Someone told me not to let my kids break me emotionally don't let them see that they can upset me, just smile and show them that I won't fall apart at their command. I try, but its hard, it really does hurt. I think sharing with others who are going through it helps to know that its not just us, and for support and encouragement to stay uplifted. I hope your children come around to realizing your their mom, the only one they'll ever have, and that you cannot be replaced, and deserve their love and respect. Hang in their, at least you can know it happens to us other moms too. :)