View Full Version : I'm paying CS for my 18 year old, my children are suffering- what can I do?
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 11:01 AM
I have a child support case in Nashville Tennessee with my ex-husband G***. We have a 18 year old special needs daughter who I am paying child support for in the amount of $319.00. He is also receiving $233.00 for her from SSD. I am on disability and receiving $629.00 a month. I currently have a four year old and am due to have another child in two days. I have lost my home and am now living with my parents because I cannot afford to live on my own due to the child support payments. She is in school currently and my ex-husband's thought is to keep her in school as long as he can so he can continue to receive the checks. He has three children with his current wife and both of them are working. I am receiving food stamps and on medicaid. I don't mind providing for my daughter but now my two other children are hurting because of this. What can I do?
adthern
Dec 27, 2010, 11:20 AM
I doubt there is much you can do, however you could apply to the court for a modification of CS. Usually, though I am not at all familiar with your jurisdictions laws, what happens after a CS order is made is usually irrelevant to the CS order. Much in the way that when I decide to have a 4th child I must have the money to support the additional child. The court figures, if you decide to have subsequent children, as you did, then that's your choice, but you must still meet your responsibilities to the previous children.
If you feel that the decisions being made are not in the best interests of your child, then you can ask for a GAL to be appt. to determine if school is the right choice.
There are usually plenty of free legal help available through the court, bar associations, or law schools to the indegent.
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 11:45 AM
We did not "decide" to have the fourth child. This was a menopause baby (oh my goodness!). I am currently supporting his younger three children and our 18 year old is nothing but a nanny and a income (trust me, my husband and myself both have knowledge of how it is honestly going). He and his current wife refuse to allow me nor our 20 year old daughter to speak, see, or even write to our daughter. As for free legal help, in the state of Tennessee, there isn't anything I have found so far that would even come close to helping me. There is plenty for single fathers but I have found NOTHING for mothers. I have contacted every person, organization, government, etc that I know of and have come up with nothing. Very frustrating! This case has been going on for two years now and he has just decided to increase the child support. THAT is why we are hurting right now. Any more suggestions? By the way, what is "GAL"?
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 11:57 AM
I put the comment on the answer line. Sorry. Anymore suggestions?
adthern
Dec 27, 2010, 12:06 PM
Let me say, by way of deciding to have another child, the court looks at it this way: 1) did you intend to have intercourse? 2) Is pregnancy the foreseeable result of intercourse? 3) therefore you intended to bear the risk of preganance and thus another child. It isn't about your actual intent. It would be the same as when a couple of 15 year olds get pregnant, maybe they didn't intend to have a child, but they intended to have sex and did and now they pay CS. Simplistic maybe, but it's the law.
As for no legal assistance available, I did a Google search for legal assistance in TN and this looks like quite a bit.
WomensLaw.org | Tennessee: Legal Assistance (http://www.womenslaw.org/gethelp_state_type.php?type_id=1638&state_code=TN)
Do some more research and I think you will be surprised at what's available.
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 12:11 PM
I am on disability and can't afford anything but I want to see my daughter. My exhusband and his wife have her. She is special needs but 18 years old (I don't think that makes much difference due to her mental status). He will not let me talk, see, nor write her. His words to me were "This is payback for when you didn't let me have the kids". Can he really do this? I pay CS. I provide medical insurance. I need legal help from SOMEONE.
Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2010, 12:19 PM
Do you have a social worker? In Northern Illinois, we have a pro bono lawyer group called Prairie State Legal Services. Area lawyers volunteer or charge very low rates in order to help people with limited means. Ask your social worker (or call the reference desk at your library) to find out if your area has such a service, or, if it doesn't, what other similar avenues do you have.
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 12:26 PM
In need of legal help in Florida AND Tennessee. Any ideas?
jenniepepsi
Dec 27, 2010, 12:28 PM
Ad, she was menopausal. That makes it reasonable to believe that pregnancy is NOT foreseeable because of sex.
Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2010, 12:37 PM
Ad, she was menopausal. that makes it reasonable to believe that pregnancy is NOT forseeable because of sex.
Until there has been no period for at least a full year, a woman must use birth control if she doesn't want to get pregnant.
adthern
Dec 27, 2010, 01:03 PM
Ad, she was menopausal. that makes it reasonable to believe that pregnancy is NOT forseeable because of sex.
This is where law and "common sense" part company. If she were 90 and became pregnant in the eyes of the law, it would have been a foreseeable consequence of intercourse.
The reasoning is: who is less culpable the woman who has intercourse and becomes pregnant or the disabled child that was born to her 18 years previous.
adthern
Dec 27, 2010, 01:06 PM
"Can he really do this? I pay CS. I provide medical insurance. I need legal help from SOMEONE."
First, no he can not violate the court orders any more than you can. Second, the only person who can give you legal advice is an attorney in the jurisdiction of the action. You are talking to people all over the country who have different laws that govern their states.
I gave you a link to a list of groups in TN that provide free legal advice in TN. Also, Wondergirl made an excellent suggestion to look to your social worker and ask about pro bono services. There is help put there, you need to go get it.
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 01:16 PM
Does my current pregnancy/child have anything to do with what he is doing at this moment?
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 01:16 PM
Do you honestly believe that if I KNEW I was going to get pregnant right now, I never would have had my daughter 18 years ago in order for both of them to have a better life now?
The question at this moment is, what do I do with the current issue? He wanting more CS, my daughter needing clothes and such, me being able to SEE my daughter, my other children in need, and who can I go to for help?
I have been to every group, organizations, government agencys, etc I could. No one I have talked to so far offers mothers free legal help in Tennessee unless the child/you have been abused. There are no social workers in Tennessee that do that.
I have been working on this for two years. I have no where else to go. I know you are not attorneys but I know there is SOMEONE out there who is or has gone through what I am going through now and has more intelligence on the subject than I do.
Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2010, 01:25 PM
Did you check at the library (reference)?
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 01:29 PM
Unfortunately. Nothing. I have found all kinds of information on fathers rights but little to nothing on mothers rights.
momoftriplea
Dec 27, 2010, 01:36 PM
Thanks for the web site Ad- I'm checking it out now.
I think I have a hit. Thanks Ad!
cdad
Dec 27, 2010, 04:59 PM
How long ago did the child support start ?
momoftriplea
Dec 28, 2010, 04:12 PM
It started two years ago. He is trying to increase it right now.
Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2010, 04:59 PM
Comment on Wondergirl's post
Unfortunately. Nothing. I have found all kinds of information on fathers rights but little to nothing on mothers rights.
Did you ask a librarian for help during your search? I'll call a TN library tomorrow.
this8384
Dec 29, 2010, 03:14 PM
Here are my questions:
1) Has your income changed since the support order was entered two years ago?
2) Are you currently paying any arrears or is the money you are paying strictly the current monthly amount of $319/month?
3) Are you paying for just the one 18-year-old daughter or are there more children being accounted for in the monthly amount of $319?
If you answer those three things, we'll be able to get you a better answer - rather than nonsensical bickering about whether you should/shouldn't have gotten pregnant.
momoftriplea
Dec 29, 2010, 04:14 PM
This8384, My income has not changed. I am on disability. Arrears of $100/mth and $219/mth CS which I pay faithfully. He also gets $233/mth from my disability. He and his wife both are currently working making more than three times of what I bring in. He lied to the child support office and said neither he or his wife were working (I know he did because I was sitting right there when he said it. I tried to tell the worker but she blew me off.) My income runs $663/mth. I am now paying for one daughter. Our other daughter is 20 years old.
momoftriplea
Dec 29, 2010, 04:17 PM
Thank you wondergirl
this8384
Dec 29, 2010, 04:26 PM
This8384, My income has not changed. I am on disability. Arrears of $100/mth and $219/mth CS which I pay faithfully. He also gets $233/mth from my disability. He and his wife both are currently working making more than three times of what I bring in. He lied to the child support office and said neither he or his wife were working (I know he did because I was sitting right there when he said it. I tried to tell the worker but she blew me off.) My income runs $663/mth. I am now paying for one daughter. Our other daughter is 20 years old.
If he is the primary custodial parent, it doesn't matter if he's working or not. Child support is based on the non-custodial parent's income, not on the custodial parent's income.
Were you receiving disability at the time the support order was entered? Was your daughter also receiving disability payments?
According to this:
Tennessee Child Support Calculator - AllLaw.com (http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/Childsupport/Tennessee/default.asp)
Your monthly support payment without arrears should only be $139/month, not $219. Each state has set guidelines for basing child support. Something's not adding up; that's why I asked if your income changed.
Does the order grant him extra money to pay for added expenses - medical, educational, etc?
P.S. You said earlier your monthly income was $629 and now you're saying it's $663. If you'd give us factual answers, we can better assist you.
J_9
Dec 29, 2010, 04:30 PM
Please don't use the comments feature to respond. It doesn't provide enough room for lengthy responses. Just scroll down to the Answer box.
Here is another link you can try.
Legal Aid Society of Middle Tennessee and the Cumberlands (http://www.las.org/free_lawyer)
momoftriplea
Dec 29, 2010, 04:41 PM
This8384, yes and yes.
momoftriplea
Dec 29, 2010, 04:44 PM
This8384, No the order does not grant him extra. As for the amount I am receiving, It is in the 600's. It is directly deposited into my bank account so I would have to go back and look on the statement.
this8384
Dec 29, 2010, 05:18 PM
Then something is wrong. You're overpaying by $80 a month. I'd file for a modification.
this8384
Dec 30, 2010, 07:46 AM
jenniepepsi finds this helpful : I'm confused, why did they use my income to decide what my daughters dad pays me then?
Laws vary by jurisdiction. Typically, the NCP's income is the only one factored. However, when the child(ren) spend 25-50% of their time with the NCP, it's considered shared physical custody so the CP's income is also factored into the equation.
That's how my husband's ex went from paying $185/week to $68/week - she gets the kids for the summer, but she's still going to be paying him child support for those months.
momoftriplea
Jan 15, 2011, 12:03 PM
I'm paying child support for my 18 year old disabled daughter. Round about, how long do I pay the child support? There is no order for me to pay child support after the age of 18.
JudyKayTee
Jan 15, 2011, 02:31 PM
Depending on the disability it can be for her entire life. Also depends on the State.