Hello everyone,

I have a rather new (3-4 yrs) Goodman 92 heating system. It was not responding at the thermostat so I tried resetting stuff there, etc. with no result. In checking the heating unit, I see that my Honeywell Enviracare has no power light lit and the heating unit seems to be in the same state -- no power. The outlet for the units is working. Flipped the fuse switches at my box off and on. Flipped the gas switch off and on.

What would be the situation here?

Thanks very much.

Annie

If you have checked the power plug that your furnace is plugged into and you have power there then is is something in the furnace itself. There is a door switch that has to be pushed in before you will get any power. So to check this turn the thermostat fan switch to on and then push in the door switch with your finger, if the fan runs it is possible that you are not getting the door on right and it is not compressing the switch. Check these things and then let me know what happened.

Check for a fuse on the control board, usually one of the automotive style blade ones. Even if you have power to the furnace, not much is going to happen without the 24 volt control power.

Hello everyone,

I have a rather new (3-4 yrs) Goodman 92 heating system. It was not responding at the thermostat so I tried resetting stuff there, etc. with no result. In checking the heating unit, I see that my Honeywell Enviracare has no power light lit and the heating unit seems to be in the same state -- no power. The outlet for the units is working. Flipped the fuse switches at my box off and on. Flipped the gas switch off and on.

What would be the situation here?

Thanks very much.

Annie
Thanks for the replies :)

I keep looking for the furnace switch on the unit itself, but can't find one for some reason. The woman and the hvac place said it could be the door also. There is a wall switch w/the power cords to the unit that I flipped off and on, but nothing other than the one plug has a light that goes on.

I did press on the door (which I have never taken off and it doesn't really look removable) just in case it wasn't tight somewhere, but nothing happened.

Does it make sense that both the Honeywell filter unit and the heating furnace both are not powering on? The air conditioner does go on (it's a thru-the-wall unit that I thought was somehow connected to the furnace system for output, but I think I now realize they are prob quite separate and I'm just hearing the compressor start. Didn't wait for any vent noise or anything, just quick turned it off.

Thanks.

The lighted plug shows the outlet is hot. You or a technician are going to have to go inside. Have you tried sliding the door up? There may be filters in there that need changed or cleaned regularly. Usually there is a switch that cuts the power off when you open the door. Then look for the fuse.

The Honeywell unit could power off or at least be controlled by the 24 volt transformer.

I am not familiar with that unit, and am only answering from my general knowledge of heaters.

The plub is hot? I thought that was just an 'on' inidicator light??

The serviceman was just here -- it's my thermostat. He said a new unit is $500, and it only has a 30-day warranty. Lexpro I think the name is. Anyone familiar with their quality?

So, I told him I need to research thermostats a bit because I don't want to get the same one -- $500 every few years. He charged me $60 and another $99 for not buying a unit from them (goes towards purchasing another one of their thermostats). Essentially charging me for a unit I didn't buy.

Is this a customary practice if I choose not to replace my parts?

Should I not have mentioned I was going to look around?

I have ordered a new thermostat -- 2-stage heat/2-stage cool. I think my a/c might be 1-stage cool though.

Is the 2-stage cool OK with the new therm? Meaning, up to -- either 1- or 2-stage cool systems?

Are these easy to re-hook up? I am computer literate and have tinkered w/hardware (installing new drives, memory, etc.) The tech said if I do anything with the wires I could ruin the heating system.

By hot, I meant the outlet had power. The indicating plugs like that can be nice.

My furnace and A/C are both 2 stage, but have their own logic allowing me to use a simple, 4 wire thermostat. You would need an installation manual for yours to figure it out if you could.

It is hard to do more than burn up the control thermostat if you miswire a thermostat. Even if the fuse doesn't save it, you can buy one for $10-$20.

With the thermostat controlling multiple stages, you have more wires to worry about. To white to the W and yellow to the Y, you need more wires for what you have of W1, W2, Y1, and Y2. You will have to open up the furnace and see what terminals you have and what color of wires are on them. Then try to put the same wires on the same terminals of the thermostat. Note, connect the red wire to all of R, RC, and RH. Post back with any questions once you have the thermostat instructions.

Hi LabMan,

I have the thermostat from Totaline and have read the instruc for putting the receiver on the wall. What I find that is different:

My current LuxPro has a RH and RC jumped -- the new one has neither.
A red wire goes to RC -- there is no RC on the new one.
I currently have batteries in the thermostat -- the new one has none.
The old therm was a 1-stage cool -- the new one is capable of 2 stages.

G-Y1-W1-W2-RH-B-O-RC Old config (red going to RC, RC/RH jumped)

C-G-Y1-W1-R-Y2-W2 New config

Old therm directions say the RC-RH are jumped when there is only one compressor.

There are also dip switches in there for the remote, but no real explanation other than they all need to be set to the sum (house#) for the ones set to ON.? How do I know which ones to set on 1,2,4,8,16,32,EH,HP,O/B.

Thanks for your help! :)

The plub is hot? I thought that was just an 'on' inidicator light???

The serviceman was just here -- it's my thermostat. He said a new unit is $500, and it only has a 30-day warranty. Lexpro I think the name is. Anyone familiar with their quality?

So, I told him I need to research thermostats a bit because I don't want to get the same one -- $500 every few years. He charged me $60 and another $99 for not buying a unit from them (goes towards purchasing another one of their thermostats). Essentially charging me for a unit I didn't buy.

Is this a customary practice if I choose not to replace my parts?

Should I not have mentioned I was going to look around?


All I'm going to say is... 500 dollars for a Luxpro... I'd show him the door so fast he wouldn't feel it hit his back side until tomarrow.
I'm afraid to ask how much that company charged you for a Goodman furnace.

Northern Heat -- thanks for the input... really wondering about this. You mean even for the 2-stage heat 1-stage cool (he said was so fancy :) ? I haven't found the manual yet, but guessing from their site that it's the 602 and the pro is their top model.

What do you think it should cost? I think they're full of soup :) Figure maybe they paid $150.

Terrible isn't it? He looked so surprised that I would forgo heat :)

Northern Heat -- thanks for the input ... really wondering about this. You mean even for the 2-stage heat 1-stage cool (he said was so fancy :) ? I haven't found the manual yet, but guessing from their site that it's the 602 and the pro is their top model.

What do you think it should cost? I think they're full of soup :) Figure maybe they paid $150.

Terrible isn't it? He looked so surprised that I would forgo heat :)

That stat costs him 50 bucks tops. I won't sell or install Lux, Hunter or Noma they are poor quality. I'm sure someone out there will take me to task for my opinion, but my men replace these things all the time, only 1-3 years old. Homeowners like the ease of operation and the 5 year warranty of the stats we do sell. Yes we also have a nice mark up on parts and labor and trip all adds up to big money. So if the stat isn't name brand with a 5 year warranty or more, we won't sell it.

Just saw the last part about the furnace price... oh boy. I'll have to look it up but it was exp. Think it was maybe $5000 for the Goodman, thru-the-wall ac, therm, and hookup.

Just saw the last part about the furnace price ... oh boy. I'll have to look it up but it was exp. think it was maybe $5000 for the Goodman, thru-the-wall ac, therm, and hookup.
I'm sorry to hear that. What market, state, city whatever you want to tell, are you in?

I'm in suburban Philadelphia, outside of King of Prussia PA. Curious what the Goodman 92 alone have cost 3-4 yrs ago?

Forgot, there's also a Honeywell Environcare on there.

$3600 GMC 92 2-stage
$2000 NRP Air System (a/c ttw unit)
$ 600 Honeywell Environcare Aircleaner

I'm started on wire the therm, have the backplate mounted and all wires taped and labeled, ready to go... with the ones I understand :)

Howwwever... why don't they just have little screws like the other one :( I'm looking for my magnifying glass, but can't figure out how the connectors work. Any ideas?

Fraid I can't help much on those. I came here to answer dog questions where I know what I am doing. I have ratted out some HVAC on my own and have managed to help some people here with it. I am just as happy to have Northern Heat and his professional knowledge now.

Oh, I thought I saw many threads that you answered wiring on. He was here and chatted about the pricing, but didn't pick up the wiring question. I didn't know he was a moderator at the time.

Thanks for your help, and I'll wait for him :)

OK, seems I've figured this thing out. The screws were so small they didn't look like screws even with the magnifying glass and the wires weren't going in the side... but that's what it was!

As for the wiring, what I found was that the RH/RC power for respective transformers on the old therm (prev jumped for use with only one transformer) is now simply the red power wire to Totaline's R. Don't seem to need the blue common to power the receiver, so I'm hoping it handles that itself.

It's running and I'm not even going to test the cooling system now :)

Hope this helps someone else :)

And the dip switches are simply off and my one remote seems to work fine :)

I'm glad yougot it figured out. I'm only on-line when I have time, I still do HVAC work during the day and often at night when weather is bad.

The Lux Pro sells at retail houses and at Places like Home Depot for around $70 to $80. And I do not understand what you were talking about them charging you $99 for a thermostat that you didn't buy from them. If I were you I would turn them in to the better business bureau.

Actually, the tech wasn't sure what the charges were for -- the office said it was $60 for the service call and $99 for the diagnostic. He had told me that the $99 would get deducted if I bought the thermostat. The office later told me that, no, the $60 would be deducted. Makes me feel like I'm paying for a part that I chose not to get. And if they install the different one that I buy -- $129 more.

I'm going to check into this $500 therm thing and see what the rest of the world does around here :) They have very questionable practices -- like sending a young kid over here to do all my plumbing when he wasn't a plumber, they don't have a license in the township, and no permit was taken out. No permit was taken out for the hvac system either. They also sched your time and don't even bother to call when they don't show up. Had to chase them down for the $700 they were given to do that plumbing that wasn't done due to the non-plumber issue. I'm sure I don't even remember what dealing with them was like. The system is only 3yo and I went for a week w/o heat.

And it's just such a contrast to all that award-winning service and bad-guy precautions they advertise on their website :)

Got to wonder what they're thinking :)

NorthernHeat -- how does the pricing look, above, on the system I bought 3 years ago?

I'll answer it like this. The very best Rheem 100,000 BTU furnace and 13 seer cased evaporator coil I would sell for about 3900 dollars with an extended 10 year part and labor warranty

500 dollars for a Luxpro... I'd show him the door so fast he wouldn't feel it hit his back side until tomarrow.

I'm afraid to ask how much that company charged you for a Goodman furnace.


I read this with interest. Can you believe my HVAC company wanted $900 for a new thermostat. That was 3 years in. I did show him the door, got a remote therm, and hooked up those 5 wires myself. I also wonder just how much I was scalped for the furnace. A neighbor recommended the company, Geiger, so I didn't get multiple estimates. I will never do that again!

So, in 2003, any idea about how much for a Goodman 92, Honeywell Envirocare air cleaner, and a through the wall air conditioner to be installed?