Hello:

Didja hear that Obama's trip to India is going to cost $200 MILLION a day? He's taking 37 warships, booked the entire Taj Mahal hotel, and is the worst president in history?? Didja hear they're going to dismantle TWO of Obama's helicopters and reassemble them in India?? Didja hear he's taking 10% of the military? Didja hear? Didja?

If you didn't, tune into Fox News.... (http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/11/04/obamas-200-million-a-day-trip-to-india-a-case-study-in-pathological-lunacy/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog)Is it true? No. Does Michelle Bachman, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s49oPA9Dimw)the limp one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXbRg9Biqh8), or his friend Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW4hk3rXh1k) care. No!

Do you?

excon

Actually, the first I heard of this was a conservative site debunking it (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/no-obamas-not-taking-34-navy-ships-to-india-with-him/)... and laying the blame on Drudge, not Fox.

And speaking of India, the unrepentant terrorist wife of Bill Ayers (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=18659) was caught whining about the real terrorists in the U.S. to Indian media, those darn teabaggers.

It's embarrassing to see what your conservatives do to spread lies for their gain.

Another example: Sarah Palin's 'Favorite' Tweet Is About Our 'Taliban Muslim Illegally Elected President' (http://gawker.com/5681802/sarah-palins-favorite-tweet-is-about-our-taliban-muslim-illegally-elected-president?skyline=true&s=i)

Sarah Palin recently "favorited" an Ann Coulter tweet that linked to a picture of a sign about "The blood of Jesus against Obama," our "Taliban Muslim illegally elected President USA: Hussein." This might be awkward if she runs for president!

It's embarrassing to see what your conservatives do to spread lies for their gain.

I take it you've never visited the Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, Think Progress, or watched MSNBC, where the chief liar Olbermann was just suspended indefinitely without pay (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/05/keith-olbermann-suspended_n_779586.html)?

I take it you've never visited the Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, Think Progress, or watched MSNBC, where the chief liar Olbermann was just suspended indefinitely without pay (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/05/keith-olbermann-suspended_n_779586.html)?He's suspended for contributing to campaigns, you wrote "chief liar" in the link, where does it say that in the article?

you wrote "chief liar" in the link, where does it say that in the article?

It doesn't.

and laying the blame on Drudge, not Fox.Hello Steve:

I neither know, nor care who started the lie. I only know who perpetuated it. One was a sitting US Congresswoman, and the other a news organization... I had to bite my tongue when I said that...

Olbermann didn't disclose that he made a political contribution?? What a bastard??

excon

And I heard all the liberal members of AMHD was going with him to post from India

And I heard all the liberal members of AMHD was going with him to post from India
Where did you hear that?

It doesn't.
I know, you lied. Thanks for being an example of the thread topic.

I overheard myself telling my wife when we were talking about excons post.

But it may have been a second cousin of a maid of the banker who is paying out the 200 million

I have tried a dozen times over the year to get a good story going, like the end of the world at 2012 but nothing, sending excon to India sounded like a good one

With QE2 it's possible it could cost that much .They plan on using Farmville currency.

Funny thing is I don't recall any of us mentioning the costs;the fleet ,
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459
The cutting down the coconuts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8109295/Coconuts-removed-from-trees-in-preparation-for-Barack-Obamas-India-trip.html
,the clearing the streets of suicide vest wearing monkeys
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/8102597/Monkey-catchers-on-guard-for-Barack-Obamas-India-visit.html
;the building a mile long bomb proof tunnel so the President could visit the Gandhi museum at Mani Bhavan
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_tunnel-for-obama-near-mani-bhavan_1461946
;the insulting of the Indians by the amateurish State Dept plan to ask them for ID before they could enter an event at the Taj Mahal hotel hosted by the President
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Maharashtra-CM-No-2-may-skip-Obama-meet-over-checks/articleshow/6873911.cms
... or the fact that the President will not be visiting the Gurudwara Bangla Sahib temple in New Delhi because he doesn't want to be seen in a turban. http://news.indiamart.com/news-link.html?url=http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2010/11/02/sikhs-to-obama-please-visit-a-delhi-gurudwara/
(note none of the links are FOX)

I do recall that I have mentioned the trip here. As I recall it was on the silly rant op about the Chamber of Commerce and the bizarre unproved and ridiculous assertion that the Chamber was funnelling foreign money into the Congressional campaign .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/obamas-war-main-street-516251.html
As I recall that lie went through all the lefty news outlets and blogs and was even spread in the White House by Baghdad Bob Gibbs. I pointed out at the time that part of the reason for this junket was so the President could attend an economic conference sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce. Funny... now that the campaign is over I doubt you'll hear a word from the White House demonizing the chamber and smearing them with lies.

Did you hear that this trip will have a historic 1st ? This will be the 1st time in the history of the Grand Hall of the Indian Parliament that a teleprompter will be used in an address to Parliament.. Way to go!! TOTUS going where no teleprompter has gone before.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_teleprompter-to-make-its-debut-in-parliament-when-obama-speaks_1456549-all
Yet there is no truth to the rumor that he is bringing his Greek columns along for the speech.

By the way this would've been a good time for a joint exercise with the Indian Navy and a Carrier taskforce. I actually would not fault the President for having a carrier group shadowing him on this trip to India ,Indonesia , South Korea,and Japan.

I take it you've never visited the Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, Think Progress, or watched MSNBC, where the chief liar Olbermann was just suspended indefinitely without pay (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/05/keith-olbermann-suspended_n_779586.html)?

NBC’s Football Night in America got sick of his act also.
Do you think he revised his 'Worse Person in the World segment yet to include MSNBC President Phil Griffin ? I think he's toast. They are making room for FORMER (lololol )Congressman Alan Grayson.:D

NBC's Football Night in America got sick of his act also.
More lies. Here's the real story:


When the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in 1998, The Big Show with Keith Olbermann morphed into White House in Crisis. Olbermann became frustrated as his show was consumed by the Lewinsky story. In 1998, he stated that his work at MSNBC would "make me ashamed, make me depressed, make me cry." Olbermann left MSNBC for Fox Sports Net shortly thereafter.

In 1998, Olbermann joined Fox Sports Net as anchor and executive producer for The Keith Olbermann Evening News, a sportscast similar to SportsCenter, airing weekly on Sunday evenings. While at Fox, he again hosted the 2000 World Series as well as Fox Broadcasting's baseball Game of the Week.

According to Olbermann, he was fired from Fox in 2001 after reporting on rumors that Rupert Murdoch, whose News Corporation owns Fox, was planning on selling the Los Angeles Dodgers.So he left MSNBC originally because of journalistic integrity (ie. All Lewinsky all the time), then was fired by Murdoch for reporting an inconvenient truth i.e.. Doing his sports reporter job.

His departure from Football Night in America was reported without giving any cause to his departure.

Put 2 and 2 together. They didn't want a flaming lunatic anchoring their Sunday night sports programing . He was a no talent sports guy long before he was a no talent political pundit.

Do you think he revised his 'Worse Person in the World segment yet to include MSNBC President Phil Griffin ? I think he's toast. They are making room for FORMER (lololol )Congressman Alan Grayson.:D

It's a perfect fit, he has the right attitude and was on his show 62 times so there's a replacement already groomed for the slot. His first "worst person" can be olbermann. :D

put 2 and 2 together. They didn't want a flaming lunatic anchoring their Sunday night sports programing . He was a no talent sports guy long before he was a no talent political pundit.
When all you have is ad hominem attacks then you have no substance at all, just punditry (which anyone with a keyboard can do).

I neither know, nor care who started the lie. I only know who perpetuated it. One was a sitting US Congresswoman, and the other a news organization... I had to bite my tongue when I said that...

Well, my point was conservatives also debunked it.


Olbermann didn't disclose that he made a political contribution?? What a bastard??

I'm not surprised and I don't care, let him keep his show. What's funny is watching all the libs defending Olbermann for being blatantly biased with one breath while still slamming Fox hosts for being biased in the next.

I know, you lied. Thanks for being an example of the thread topic.

Nice try, I didn't claim the story called him chief liar, that was my designation. And (http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E559725059/index.html) for (http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/05/kurtz_olbermann.php) good (http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/07/countdown_with_310.php) reason (http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/01/caught_on_tape.php).

NK its ratings period. He would not have been pulled from either if his ratings justified it.
His show could be renamed 'Countdown to no ratings'.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/07/01/msnbcs-countdown-with-keith-olbermann-adults-25-54-audience-down-over-50-since-q4-2008/21842

Hello again,

Here's what Dr. Rachel Maddow had to say on the subject... (http://lezgetreal.com/2010/11/dr-rachel-maddow-speaks-out-about-olbermann-suspension/)She's right on...

“Let this incident lay to rest forever the facile, never-true-anyway, bull-pucky, lazy conflation of Fox News and what the rest of us do for a living. I know everybody likes to say, 'Oh, that's cable news, it's all the same. Fox and MSNBC, mirror images of each other.' Let this lay that to rest forever. Hosts on Fox News raise money for Republican candidates. They endorse them explicitly, they use their Fox News profile to headline fundraisers. Heck, there are multiple people being paid by Fox News now to essentially run for office as Republican candidates….They can do that because there's no rule against that as Fox. They run as a political operation; we're not.”

I know you wingers won't/can't get the distinction between Fox and MSNBC, cause you can't tell the difference between end of life counseling and a death panel...

excon

Dude, Maddow can sit on her high horse all she wants but it's a straw man.

A) Olbermann was suspended for violating MSNBC policy, not donating. MSNBC policy is he needed prior approval which he didn't get. Fox pulled Hannity from a Tea Party rally (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/fox-news-pulls-sean-hanni_n_539719.html) in April, so don't tell me they have no policies.

B) Having partisan analysts on the payroll is nothing new. MSNBC also has partisan analysts.

C) The media has historically endorsed candidates (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/23/opinion/20081024-endorse.html) in EVERY election. It's nothing new.

B) Having partisan analysts on the payroll is nothing new. MSNBC also has partisan analysts.Hello again, Steve:

Ok. I'll buy your argument. But, it really makes no difference.. You can call it partisan analysis, or you can call it news. What is WAS, was BUNK - pure unadulterated BUNK (http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/11/04/obamas-200-million-a-day-trip-to-india-a-case-study-in-pathological-lunacy/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog). If it IS a news organization, it isn't a very good one...

excon

Are we talking about Olberman now or the India trip ?

Olberman ? I see nothing wrong with his contributions. As Steve says it was internal policy that he violated. Like I said ;I believe it's more corporate politics and ratings .

Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club nails it in the comment section of his latest posting.

If the idea of prohibiting contributions is to ensure that Olbermann and those in similar positions are 'nonpartisan' or 'objective', then that confusing appearances with reality. Then it is about making it seem like Olbermann is nonpartisan or objective, though who exactly would believe that is open to question. Better that he should nail his colors to the mast then sail under the Jolly Roger, like a ship of no nation. In that way people could watch Olbermann knowing where he is coming from. Those who agree with him can agree and those who disagree can disagree.

Belmont Club The Lights of Mirkwood (http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/11/05/the-lights-of-mirkwood/#more-10951)

Still waiting to see if the WH will disclose the cost of this trip. If it is $200 million per day I would not think it excessive. So why should they be afraid to disclose the fact that there is a lot of security associated with a junket of this nature?
I happen to think it imperitive that the US and India become close allies with multiple levels of cooperation .

So why should they be afraid to disclose the fact that there is alot of security associated with a junket of this nature?Hello again, tom:

I agree, disclosure is good when it comes to WHO is contributing money to defeat or elect our representatives... But, it's NOT so good when it comes to security matters... Do I detect some admiration for Wikkileaks??

However, pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell told reporters he was making an exception to the practice of not discussing presidential security details to shoot down the reports.

“I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president's trip to Asia,” said Morrell at today's Pentagon briefing. “That's just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.”

If THIS isn't disclosure enough for you, we'll have to make up a name for people like you. Birthers and tenthers are already taken. How about $200 millioners...

excon

Hello again, tom:

I'm just wondering, if Dan Rather gets fired for making up news, why doesn't Eric Bolling? (http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/11/04/obamas-200-million-a-day-trip-to-india-a-case-study-in-pathological-lunacy/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog)

excon

Yes but I have no doubt a carrier group patrols the Indian Ocean . I don't think it would be a bad idea at all.
As for the costs... already the President has announced $10 billion in business deals in his 1st day. I cannot emphasis enough how important nurturing a solid economic ,military alliance with India is for our future. GW Bush got the ball rolling and it is critical that a bilateral friendship is nutured by the current ,and future POTUS .

it is critical that a bilateral friendship is nutured by the current ,and future POTUS .Hello again, tom:

It IS... But, that isn't what we're talking about here... It's the LIES and MADE UP STORIES, and how it reverberates within the rightwing noise machine. It's about how a sitting congresswoman has the balls to go on TV and repeat those lies, and doesn't even bother to vet the story... She's a CONGRESSWOMAN.. She has a RESPONSIBILITY to speak the truth to the nation, and she has the RESOURCES to check out the story... But, she didn't.

It's also about a so called news organization who has the same responsibility to tell the TRUTH to the nation. They TOO didn't bother to check the story out... What's WORSE, is they have the balls to call themselves a news organization.. I say again, they are a political machine for Republicans...

THAT is what this thread is about...

excon

And we know it lies because some Navy spokesperson said the carrier group in the Indian Oceans is not dispatched their specifically to guard the President .

I know of at least one carrier deployed there possibly more . There has to be at least one just to support the AfPakia effort. A carrier group is possibly as many as 15 support ships and subs .
I don't know how many ships we have there... but the original reports were from India news sources .Hard then to claim that it was a made up story . Yeah they probably should've vetted the story or sourced it before making a definitive statement about it.


It's also about a so called news organization who has the same responsibility to tell the TRUTH to the nation. They TOO didn't bother to check the story out.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about the phony Chamber of Commerce story again.

Here's the deal on Olberman . He caused his boss to look like an idiot.
Ollby went on one of his rants about FOX parent company News Corp about donating to Republicans. Then his boss Phil Griffin got in the act and issued a challenge to News Corp saying "Show me an example of us fundraising."
The New York Times > Log In (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/us/politics/24cable.html?_r=4)

Well then came the revelation about Olby's donations.Griffin had no choice... Olby isn't coming back .

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what fundraising Fox News specifically did. Citation please?

And here (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106) is the Indian source:


Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million (Rs. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city.

"The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit," a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.

About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.

"Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy," the official said on condition of anonymity.

Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama's stay. The city's airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President's arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.

The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President's security, the official said.

The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.

The source's source was an Indian government official... and it sounds expensive. If you want some really dramatic news with a spin, try this place (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/).

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what fundraising Fox News specifically did. Citation please?
Burns asks if Fox News "is trying to replace the Republican Party" | Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004210065)

Z on TV: Hannity, Fox cross line with on-air GOP fund raising - TV show critic David Zurawik on the show business, culture and craziness of television - baltimoresun.com (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/10/hannity_crosses_line_with_part.html)

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

It's not me who made the call. I think Olby should remain. It's his boss who's panties are in a knot .

Does anyone think that he even pretends to be objective ? The few people who watch this kook know exactly what they are watching .

Burns asks if Fox News "is trying to replace the Republican Party" | Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004210065)

Z on TV: Hannity, Fox cross line with on-air GOP fund raising - TV show critic David Zurawik on the show business, culture and craziness of television - baltimoresun.com (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/10/hannity_crosses_line_with_part.html)

A) I'm sure no other candidate has ever plugged themselves on any other network... ever. :rolleyes:

B) I already linked (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/post-election-prognistication-522531-4.html#post2590992) to the George Soros Media Matters nonsense, so you're a little behind. They're shocked, SHOCKED, that their employees have appeared on their network some 269 times. (and didn't I say that Alan Grayson was on Olbermann's show 62 times?)

And again, I also said Olby should keep his show (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/right-wing-consistancy-lunacy-lies-523227-2.html#post2592432). I don't get overly excited that an opinion guys shares his opinions and donates to people he likes, unlike those of you who think the opinion guys on Fox should be objective news reporters.

Olby will be back on his high horse tomorrow (http://www.nbcuniversal.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.aspx?ReleaseID=2458&NewsAreaID=2&ClientID=7).

As for Maddow's claim that Fox hosts were raising money for the GOP...

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As for Maddow's claim that Fox hosts were raising money for the GOP...Hello again, Steve:

Those bastards...

excon

Two days... I wonder if the suspension coincided with any vaction time he had coming ? This has the look of a publicity stunt. You know tomorrow he will have his biggest ever audience listening to his Howard Beale rants.

I prefer the honesty of people disseminating information being open about their political leanings. It beats to hell the days when phoney's like Walter Cronkite hid their leanings and pretended to be trusted gate-keepers of truth .

Kudos to the President for the suggestion today that India become a permanent member of the Security Council .

Kudos to the President for the suggestion today that India become a permanent member of the Security Council .

Absolutely... he should avoid dancing though.

Bammy is just the front man trying to dump some aircraft on them and hope they have the $ to pay for them. The rest is just for show. He hasn't had a vacation in 20 minutes to I guess he's due to take another one to take up the slack since he can't seem to pay attention to anything that is going on in the WH these days. Best to leave the scene of the crime until the "cops" leave and the coast is clear.

Who knows just why he had to take this trip when HillDog could have "sold" the surplus planes instead with much less overhead involved.

Also what's up with the proposed new Embassy in Afganistan?

Fell off my chair last night when I saw a trailer for a new TV show. It's called Palin's Alaska staring Sarah Palin and her pathetic family. Gosh, I'll make sure I put that show on my "ignore" list for sure.

I am thoroughly convinced they are now officially out of new ideas for TV shows...

There was more business done than just the Boeing deals making the expense involved in the trip well worth it. In total, around 20 separate business deals are in the works and this trip was a key part of the negotiations.
The good will from this trip will have even greater benefits.

Further ,by going exclusively to democratic nations in the region the President is sending a signal to the world that he could be making a "course correction"... Note that China is not on the docket.
Maybe he has ceased his faulty premise of reaching out to our enemies while insulting our friends.

We'll spend $550 million in expansions to our existing embassy in Kabul . That's the equivalent of 2 travel days for the President .It's a better signal than the date certain withdrawal .

Palin's documentary series of Alaska should be a huge boost for the State's tourism industry.

I just find it a complete embarrassment that our president goes there to beg crumbs. But then I already know Amerika has been dismantled. From the inside.

It's a realistic assessment of what India's place in the world is and will be in the 21st century.
It also represents our best hope from reliance on a terrible business partnership with China ,and a frankly ridiculous Cold War relic relationship with Pakistan.
The Anglo-sphere would be wise to strengthen economic and strategic ties amongst themselves . I do believe relationships like this will be the 21st century version of NATO.

Palin's documentary series of Alaska should be a huge boost for the State's tourism industry.
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We'll spend $550 million in expansions to our existing embassy in Kabul . That's the equivalent of 2 travel days for the President Hello again, tom:

You're a good foot soldier.

excon

And yet I have so far lavished praise on the President for this trip.
But that will probably end when he is deservedly thrashed at the G-20 meeting .

I know you wingers won't/can't get the distinction between Fox and MSNBC, cause you can't tell the difference between end of life counseling and a death panel...

Getting back to spinning the message, Ed Shultz asked the Rev Jesse Jackson what we're facing if we repeal Obamacare. His answer? "Creeping genocide."

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"...this really is a mass march toward the kind of humane, uh human destruction the likes of which we've never known."

Nothing outrageous about that, huh? With all the talk of a new 1930's Germany in America, "creeping genocide" and other human destruction since the election, no wonder the left is now calling for second amendment remedies.

Hello again, Steve:

The Rev is correctamundo... If the health care law is repealed, the insurance companies will once again, take up their roll as "Death Panels".

Certainly, when an insurance adjuster DENIES a person certain medical procedures, as they'll be able to do if Obamacare is repealed, he's sentencing that person to DEATH... I call THAT a death panel. You? Not so much.

excon

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group."

So if Obamacare is repealed, there will be no laws, no safety nets, no regulation, just anarchy and insurance companies will deliberately and systematically destroy who, blacks? The poor? The homeless? Union members? Who are they going to deliberately and systematically destroy and how is that going to grow their business?

Will this replace the "black genocide (http://spectator.org/blog/2005/09/30/jesse-jackson-abortion-is-blac)" of abortion he fretted about but learned to love in order to run for president? Creeping genocide bad, eugenics good? Is that it?

and insurance companies will deliberately and systematically destroy who, blacks? The poor? The homeless? Union members? Who are they going to deliberately and systematically destroy and how is that going to grow their business?Hello again, Steve:

There would be TWO categories of people who would be destroyed: the sick and the uninsured. Neither of those groups of people would grow an insurance company's business anyway.

Now, if you want to rest your argument on the word "genocide", I'm not going to split hairs with you.

excon

""Death panels" actually sounds a little mild compared to "creeping genocide" and "human destruction the likes of which we've never known."