Hello:

The Democrats are going to get their butts handed to them. It's a richly deserved loss. They suck. Oh, not because of what they DID, but because they never countered what the Republicans SAID they did. And the Republicans have been saying it over, and over, again and again - and not a whimper from the Democrats.. Oh, you hear sporadic defenses... But, early on the right wing DEFINED the left, took CONTROL of the conversation, and NEVER let it go.

Here's what the Republicans said and are STILL saying: Death panel, government takeover, bailouts, $500 billion CUT in medicare, the Louisiana purchase, the Corn Husker kickback, out of control spending, higher taxes, trillions added to the deficit, socialism... Those simple, short and oft repeated phrases resonated. I remember NOTHING about what the Democrats said. Oh, I'm sure they said something... I just don't remember it. And, if anybody would have, it would have been me.

Whether what they said is true or not, isn't the point of my post. The point is, the Republicans controlled the message, and the Democrats have been on defense ever since. That's why they're going to lose. They're going to lose big too. I say 50 house seats, and 8 senate seats.

The win will only be temporary, though. The TALK about cutting spending is only talk. When the nation finds out they've been hoodwinked by the Republicans AGAIN, it'll be time for Second Amendment remedies. What? You think only dingbat rightwingers think about revolution?

excon

And I think a lot of it is not really what the Dem promised last election, but what people assumed or felt they said.

You remember the people who believed they would get free rent, free health insurance and more, We say them all interviewed on TV. Welfare was going to take care of all of their needs. They are the ones that are not going to vote this time, if they did, the dems may still hold power.

But special interest groups keep the real health plan from passing, there was no control of health costs, and for those Americans with coverage, the cost went up about 30 or more precent. It may have went up anyway, but guess who gets the blame. Yep.

Now here in GA I will be voting Dem for Governor, merely the lesser of two evils but at least one I know personally

Got to think bigger than 50 seats. I'm going for 60-65 seats and 9 maybe 10 Senate seats (then the courting of the RINOs begins to see who this year's Jeffords is ).

Go DINO!

Republicans stick together, whether its good for the country, or not, its good for them. Democrats try to do the right thing, but fall short when it comes to fighting back, so I expect the republicans to be in a position to govern, and that's when we find out if they have learned their lessons, or NOT.

We the people do know there is another election in 2 years after this Tuesday, if they have NOT!!

Republicans stick together, whether its good for the country, or not, its good for them.

We the people do know there is another election in 2 years after this Tuesday, if they have NOT!!!!!Hello again, tal:

You hit the nail on the head. The Republicans saw that when they compromised, and governance happened, they enabled the opposition.. It was a losing proposition for the party. This time they forwent good governance solely so they could gain power.

So, they'll have it. Let's see what they do with it. It is true. There's another election just down the road.

excon

The "unwashed masses" will be voting enmass opposing the out of control growth of government.

If the Republicans become accomodationists to a POTUS who is too stubborn to shift to the middle ;or if they return to the days of their own excesses then they will deserve to lose in 2 years.

I don't think this will happen . The difference this time is the citizen statespeople who are not from the professional cadre political class who will ride in with the tsunami. The Republican majority will need them if they have a chance of getting anything done over the obstructionist White House .

If the Republicans become accomodationists to a POTUS who is too stubborn to shift to the middle Hello again, tom:

You're an example of the strategy I outlined, at work. Your party never did make a shift. You made NO accommodations, whatsoever. NONE! The only words out of your mouths, was NO. Yet, you have the temerity to demand that the president shifts...

The crazy thing, is that it's WORKING.

excon

I don't think telling LIES and saying NO to everything will impress the unwashed masses again.

But once you try to repeal "Obamacare", banking reform, and privatize social security, and add to the deficit by giving rich guys more tax relief, stop any more aid to the states, repeal a few constitutional amendments, and grow the government to watch rape and incest victims, all the prez, and the Dem's have to do is say NO, and look good doing it, the gig will be up. Another wave in 2012?? Another blue wave that is.

I doubt you see a red tsunami this year. Wave yes, tsunami, NO!!

The President has spent the last month futily trying to rally the base. If this wasn't going to be a tsunami then he would've been campaigning for the middle. The middle is going to entusiastically vote republican/conservative/tea party this year to a degree that I think will surpass 1994 . That year the Clintonoids couldn't get hillarycare passed and the public still punished them for their efforts.
This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine... and the Dummys did it anyway.
Have you not heard the names of the Dems in danger ? Even Barneys Frank is in danger of losing .Even Dingle (who between him and his old man has held his seat for 77 years) is going down .

1942 FDR finally faced the wrath of the American voters who were sick of the failures of the New Deal. During that cycle the Dems lost 71 seats (the Dems lost 52 in the 1994 Gingrich Revolution)FDR woud've gotten his butt kicked in the election if it wasn't for WWII .
I expect results somewhere between these 2 numbers. The people reject the Fabian socialism of the current regime and won't be fooled again with hopey changy platitudes from the community organizer .

This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine ......Hello again, tom:

THAT is the narrative that I've been speaking about... However, it's MY view, that since Obama WON, the public told the Dems to do what they ran on... That included health care reform. The REPUBLICANS, on the other hand, kept quoting the "public" like you did, but it wasn't the public at all... It was the tea partiers... Frankly, I believe the election rather than the Republican spin...

The problem ISN'T health care. It's the CONVERSATION about health care that you, like a good Republican, keep repeating ad nauseum.. But, it's working... That's the crazy part.

excon

Originally Posted by tomder55
This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine...

Actually Tom, the one that were the maddest were the ones who wanted MORE in this bill, and we all know death panels was a fabricated spin of a few, and had NO basis in fact.

Hello again, tom:

You're an example of the strategy I outlined, at work. Your party never did make a shift. You made NO accommodations, whatsoever. NONE! The only words out of your mouths, was NO. Yet, you have the temerity to demand that the president shifts...

The crazy thing, is that it's WORKING.

Excon

Funny thing is that I think the President has been the divider in chief (a view shared at the Washington Compost by liberal editorialists Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen) .There is no more straddling the fence with them. The left began cleansing their flock when they primaried Joe Lieberman and whipped the Blue Dogs into submission. The Republicans are late at the game but have been forced to do the same because what the President called 'reach out' was 'take it or leave it '.There was no compromise on his or Pelosi's part. It was and is still 'my way or the highway'.


We write in sadness as traditional liberal Democrats who believe in inclusion. Like many Americans, we had hoped that Obama would maintain the spirit in which he campaigned. Instead, since taking office, he has pitted group against group for short-term political gain that is exacerbating the divisions in our country and weakening our national identity.The culture of attack politics and demonization risks compromising our ability to address our most important issues - and the stature of our nation's highest office...

With the country beset by economic and other problems, it is incendiary that the president is not offering a higher vision for the nation but has instead chosen a strategy of rank division. This is an attempt to distract from the perceived failures of his administration. On issue after issue this administration has acted in ways that are weakening the office of the president.

Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen - Our divisive president, redux (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102905966.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

He has promised us 'hand to hand conflict ' if they lose .He has told the Latinos to 'punish our enemies'. He told voters to confront their neighbors and 'get in their face'.

So yeah ;I say it is up to the President to change the tone. Clintoon understood that . I doubt this President does. That is why he is entrenching in the White House with an even more ideological circle of advisors.

This is what I think will happen. He will increasingly ignore the constitutional role of the Legislature and try to govern by executive decree. He will use the 4th branch of government ,the bureacracy to make regulatory fiat(especially the EPA which he will employ to get 'cap and tax' ). He will double down on his use of czars to bypass the advise and consent provisions of the constitution. He will make SCOTUS appointments in recess.

So this revolution you predict is already underway. I suspect you will not be joining up with the side in power because you don't believe in the concentration of power in the executive.

The problem ISN'T health care. It's the CONVERSATION about health care that you, like a good Republican, keep repeating ad nauseum.. But, it's working... That's the crazy part.

There have a number of Obamacare updates here that tell the story better. The "divider-in-chief" as tom most accurately called him, swore up and down that it would save us money, there would be no rationing, that our health care was between us and our doctor and that if we liked our insurance we could keep it. The facts betray him as the news keeps reporting and as people continue to discover what their health insurance is going to cost them next year.

BCBS of Texas has a 30 percent increase in store. I know this because I know the lady that runs their facility here. And like others who strayed from Obama's message, the regime has put the boot to their neck for not playing along.

Unemployment still hovers near 10 percent, Obama admits there never were any "shovel ready" jobs while planning another stimulus, all this after their much heralded "recovery summer."

Add the mass demonizing of the Tea Party for daring to exercise their rights and the left has lost this pretty much on their own. We're not going to be bullied by this regime any longer.

swore up and down that it would save us money, there would be no rationing, that our health care was between us and our doctor and that if we liked our insurance we could keep it. The facts betray him as the news keeps reporting and as people continue to discover what their health insurance is going to cost them next year.Hello again, Steve:

As I mentioned in my OP, what you say IS the narrative. Like a good Republican, you keep repeating it over and over again. I like you, Steve, but you know NONE of what you said to be the truth. You're repeating what you read, or what you heard, or what they TOLD you to say. It's ALSO true, that what you said COULD be the truth, but nobody knows... It's going to take a few years to find out, because MOST of the law doesn't take effect for a while..

The crazy thing about it, your narrative is working...

The other narrative is that it's a great law, and is going to reduce the deficit by BILLIONS. However, I don't know anybody saying that... Do you? Stupid Democrats... If it's good enough to pass a law about, it's good enough to stand behind... But, they're chicken, and they're going to LOSE like the chickens they are.

excon

I'm pretty sure US politics were divisive way before Obama arrived on the scene. It's too bad you guys encourage it.

I didn't repeat any of these things, "Death panel, government takeover, bailouts, $500 billion CUT in medicare, the Louisiana purchase, the Corn Husker kickback, out of control spending, higher taxes, trillions added to the deficit, socialism."

I reported the facts.

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.

Case in point.

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.


Well that's the typical Democrat talking point . However for that to be true ,you either haven't paid attention or are willingly ignoring the many proposals published by the Republicans and the Tea party .

I reported the facts.Hello again, Steve:

The facts cannot yet be known. But, one can speculate, and repeat the speculation. I know you believe them to be facts, because you TRUST whomever told them to you... Look, I'm the same as you... I believe Keith Olbermann.

But, I also know you didn't read 2400 pages of law. I know that even if you did, you wouldn't understand HALF of what's written. But, if you managed that task, you'd KNOW that most of the law doesn't take effect till 2014... So, what you state as "fact", CAN'T be fact, unless you can see into the future.

So, I say again, you're repeating the narrative - not because you're a disseminator of propaganda, but because you BELIEVE it. That's why I said it's WORKING... But, it's a NARRATIVE, Steve. It's designed to WIN elections, not disseminate the truth.

excon

Well that's the typical Democrat talking point . However for that to be true ,you either haven't paid attention or are willingly ignoring the many proposals published by the Republicans and the Tea party .
I'm a Republican.

I HAVE read the flyers, listened to the voicemails, and read candidates' summaries in various newspapers.

I have no idea what the Republicans hope to accomplish. Four Tea Party leaders were interviewed last night and asked what they specifically wanted. They sat there with no immediate reply and then began talking about what they hate regarding the current administration.

(P.S. I already did early voting and voted for certain Republicans who actually have some good ideas.)

You may not like their response or solutions .But it cannot be said that the Republicans have not offered alternatives.

http://www.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/solutions/a-pledge-to-america.pdf

http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/
Here is a start
There are more

However for that to be true ,you either haven't paid attention or are willingly ignoring the many proposals published by the Republicans and the Tea party .Hello again, tom:

I've listened to them... They propose privatizing social security and medicare, and repealing the health care law. They want to get rid of the Department of Education As much as they SAY they love the Constitution, they want to CHANGE the Tenth and Fourteenth Amendments... Oh, yeah... Even though they scream about the deficit, they're WILLING to add $700 BILLION to it to give their rich buddies a humongous tax break, and make YOUR children pay for it... Doesn't sound so anti-deficit to me.

Did you know that in 2000, the richest 20% of us owned 59% of EVERYTHING??? (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2013296804_sirota01.html) Did you know that in 2009, the richest 20% of us owned 84% of EVERYTHING?? Uhhh, who do you think they stole it from??

So, as enticing as those proposals are to SOME, during a time of fear, they're really NOT going to happen. I don't know if you were around when George W. Bush tried that WITH a Republican Senate AND a Republican House, but he FAILED.

As I said earlier, when the nation realizes that they've been hoodwinked again, your wingers will be trashcanned..

excon

One more day, and the talking is over, and the doing starts. Guess who's watching to see who does what?? If you guys can't work together to make some good things happen, we can always find someone who will. DEM'S, REPUBS whomever.

Both are on a short leash as far as I'm concerned. Bigger government, smaller government, who gives a freak, it just better be a working government!!

According to Huffpo, Democrat insiders are fearing a loss of 70 seats (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/31/democrat-house-losses-fea_n_776735.html). If nothing else you know what good comes from this blowout? Pelosi makes for the exits (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20101027/pl_cq_politics/politics000003755885_2).

I'm lovin' that.

Ex . I love it when I am discussing politics with someone who resorts to dialetical materialism arguments. I see the economic pie as ever expanding . You see it as zero sum game. If someone is getting rich then of course someone is getting poorer quid pro quo.

It is said that is inevidible in a capitalist economy . I say it is the overburden of regulation that causes the concentration of wealth because it squeezes out the would be entepreneur from the game.

That's OK . The people heard the populism of class envy from the current crop of leaders in the last 4 years ,and are sick of their perscriptions.

Pelosi makes for the exits
Pelosi said in a live interview last night that she's not going anywhere.

The people heard the populism of class envy from the current crop of leaders in the last 4 years ,and are sick of their perscriptions.8 years of the perscriptions [sic] from republicans didn't really help things did it.

8 years of the perscriptions [sic] from republicans didn't really help things did it.

But they have learned there lesson and are ready to listen to the people and do there will.

The only bad part is that listening to JUST their party/supporters doesn't help the rest of us at all. Think they know that's why they have TWO ears? To listen to everybody??

I have mentioned it earlier, you won't get any change until some reform is done in the process to separate your politicians from their corporate backers.

Geeze ,another spelling and grammar editor . How many do we need ? You don't even make allowances for dyslexia ?

As I've conceded often , The Republicans tried to out Dem the Dems . They were booted out ,and the Dems doubled down ,and doubled down again on the dose .

Hey tom, is your avatar an image of how the left will react tomorrow night, beating their heads against the wall?

Hopefully... I may revise my prediction up to 75+ seats. I think any race within a 4 pt. margin today is going to ride the wave.

"Who dat say dey gonna beat dem 'boys" ?

geeze ,another spelling and grammar editor . how many do we need ? You don't even make allowances for dyslexia ?
I hope you're not referring to me. Believe me, I bite my tongue a lot (and will continue to). I love you all and enjoy reading the different takes on things. Dyslexia doesn't explain the spelling and grammar mistakes I see on this board.

"Who dat say dey gonna beat dem 'boys" ?

Jaguars, Packers, Giants, Lions, Saints, Colts, Skins, Cardinals, Eagles cheerleaders and the Kansas State band.

Q. What do you call 47 millionaires around a TV watching the Super Bowl?

A. The Dallas Cowboys

Q. What do the Dallas Cowboys and Dr. Billy Graham have in common?

A. They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus Christ."

Q. How do you keep a Dallas Cowboy out of your yard?

A. Put up a goal post.

Q. What's the difference between the Dallas Cowboys and a dollar bill?

A. You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill!

Q. How many Dallas Cowboys does it take to win a Super Bowl?

A. Nobody remembers and we can't seem to find out!

Q. What do the Cowboys and a possum have in common?

A. Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!

Any good hockey stories guys?

Believe me, I bite my tongue a lot (and will continue to).Dyslexia doesn't explain the spelling and grammar mistakes I see on this board.

And I overlook the ones I identify also . I spelled prescripton incorrectly clearly inverting the e and r . NK made it a point to illustrate it in his reply.

My only other defense is the fact that I don't proof read everything I type . Dyslexia was just an attempt at humor .

My only other defense is the fact that I don't proof read everything I type . Dyslexia was just an attempt at humor .
And I picked up on your humor. I've learned too much from this board to constantly pick on everyone's grammar and punctuation. excon knows how much I flinch. I've been after him for years -- and finally gave up. I enjoy the back-and-forth too much to nag any longer.

At least I restrain my use of texting acronyms.

Any good hockey stories guys?
Not really .Being the frontrunner I am ,I was a big Islanders fan in the early 1980s . Since then I lose interest in the game until the second season begins .

I lost interest once the league expanded to too many teams, then the trades begin. I'd rather play which I still do, got a game tonight!

at least I restrain my use of texting acronyms.

That made me laugh out loud.

The Democrats are gonna get their butts handed to them. It's a richly deserved loss. They suck.
Personally, I hope that some Republicans also get the boot.

Times are a changin'.

There are some good Constitution, Libertarian and Independent candidates out there.

Years ago we were rightly afraid of voting for someone other than Democrat or Republican fearing that we'd be taking votes from the "2nd best"... but I see us getting closer and closer to people being fed up with the BS from many of the mainstream Republicans and Democrats.

Some of the Republicans have been 'primaried " already. Some will be vulnerable in the next cycle.

Here is something to ponder. The Republican party was born roughly around 1854 after the Kansas-Nebraska act was passed.In the 1854 congressional elections 44 Republicans were elected to the House and several were elected to the Senate . By 1858 the Republicans won control of the House of Representatives .
Within 6 years they elected their first President(2nd candidate for POTUS) ,and the existing Whig party was rendered irrelevant and defunct.

That is how fast a party can rise and fall. The Republicans have a choice to make. They can become the Party that the Tea Party wants them to be ;or risk ceasing to exist.

Hello again, tom:

These are interesting times...

I've heard it said, because I said it myself, that Obama isn't unpopular, as the right asserts, because he moved left. He's unpopular because he didn't move FAR enough left.

This election will also rid the Democrats of their middle too. Maybe it IS good to have to TWO ideologically pure parties...

excon

I think so . It is the job of the parties to persuade the middle they are the better option... not to swing with the political winds.

I think so . It is the job of the parties to persuade the middle they are the better option....

I don't see this happening.

Both parties are trying hard to do so already - and it is not working.

Both parties are trying hard to do so already - and it is not working.Correct. As an outside observer I can't believe the divisiveness and animosity that exists in your politics - it can only harm your country, not help it.

Correct. As an outside observer I can't believe the divisiveness and animosity that exists in your politics - it can only harm your country, not help it.

Amen, Brother.

Correct. As an outside observer I can't believe the divisiveness and animosity that exists in your politics - it can only harm your country, not help it.Hello NK:

I don't know. Yeah, it's ugly, but as I'm sure tom will remind us, it's been UGLIER. We survived. I hope he's right.

excon

Yeah, it's ugly, but as I'm sure tom will remind us, it's been UGLIER. We survived. I hope he's right.

Again I agree.

We in the US can only hope that voters stop voting by party alone: that they become more active - and do more research - before they hit the button or lever on the voting machine.

To be fair the people that post anonymously on the internet are some of the worst offenders. I have family in the states and they really don't care to discuss politics or won't look down on people who support the other party (like I see here all the time).

I can assure you these are not the worse times . The founders themselves were more viral. Half of them were proponents of the French Revolution's remedies for political dissent. The battles inside Washington's cabinet between the competing visions by Jefferson and Hamilton almost destroyed the nation at it's infancy.
In many ways ,the ideological divide mirrors their competing views ,although believe it or not... the differences today are not as clear cut as they were then. The divisions have actually blurred.

Americans are emotional, expressive people for the most part, and we have had a lot of that the last few political cycle and that's what we do. You have to overlook the spin and step back from the rhetoric and just go through the process.

Sometimes in our enthusiasm to make a point we overlook the facts, and just go with feelings and don't care about the facts. After all ask any American anything and we always have feelings, and opinions and just don't care about the facts.

http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/entry.cfm?id=277621&,
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-bills

Of course, that's only the ones that the repubs didn't obstuct.

Obama’s tax cuts deserve attention - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/29/2370419/obamas-tax-cuts-deserve-attention.html)

Ever notice the louder they holler, the less they really know?? Only in America.

To be fair the people that post anonymously on the internet are some of the worst offenders. I have family in the states and they really don't care to discuss politics or won't look down on people who support the other party (like I see here all the time).

I was raised to keep politics and religion a private issue.

I was raised to keep politics and religion a private issue.
Same here. But the anonymous nature of these forums brings out something different in some people.

What NK doesn't see is the picnics with neighbors that have diametrically opposite opinions. This forum is a suitable venue for airing out the differences.

And there is nothing wrong with anonymity . When the founders published editorials ripping their political opponents they frequently used pseudonyms . I suspect that was done so they could avoid dueling.

But I love going back and forth with the fellas!! Wish we had web cams so we could make faces with each other, now that would be fun!!

But I love going back and forth with the fellas!!!! Wish we had web cams so we could make faces with each other, now that would be fun!!!!

My husband would SO get into that!

Americans are emotional, expressive people for the most part, and we have had a lot of that the last few political cycle and thats what we do. You have to overlook the spin and step back from the rhetoric and just go thru the process.

Sometimes in our enthusiasm to make a point we overlook the facts, and just go with feelings and don't care about the facts. After all ask any American anything and we always have feelings, and opinions and just don't care about the facts.

Democratic Caucus's Senate Journal - Senator Harry Reid, Majority Leader (http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/entry.cfm?id=277621&),
372 Bills That Have Been Passed by the House & Not Yet ?Acted Upon By the Senate? (as of 8/23/10) - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-bills)

Of course, thats only the ones that the repubs didn't obstuct.

Obama’s tax cuts deserve attention - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/29/2370419/obamas-tax-cuts-deserve-attention.html)

Ever notice the louder they holler, the less they really know??? Only in America.

Love it . The Dems in the House think they did a good job because they passed legislation that the Senate has not passed. Thankfully there was barely enough opposition in the Senate to block them .They damaged the nation enough with their budget busting spending .

If the Dems claim their "generosity "in letting some workers temporarily keep some of their money is a tax cut then they are more delusional than I thought. Wait until these workers have to file next year... they will find out what kind of tax cut it actually was.

Be happy Tom, it could have been a lot worse with McCain/Palin at the helm. Imagine that disaster hitting us, and where we would be now.

They damaged the nation enough with their budget busting spending .

If the Dems claim their "generosity "in letting some workers temporarily keep some of their money is a tax cut then they are more delusional than I thought.Hello again, tom:

Out of one side of your mouth, you complain about budget busting deficit spending... Then, without missing a beat, you call for tax cut for the rich that would add $700 BILLION to the deficit.

You say they need this money to create jobs... That's laughable on its face. They already HAVE 89% of ALL the money. If THAT doesn't help 'em create jobs, NOTHING will. In fact, I agree with David Stockman, Ronald Reagans Budget Director, the tax cuts for the rich should EXPIRE..
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIU70TVWRXA)
excon

Here's what I think. McCain would've done more modest stimulus and supply side solutions. There probably would've been some sort of health care reform proposed that would've been bi-partisan because McCain knows with a Dem majority he could not have gone too far in his proposal .
In foreign affairs the policy would've remained the same... even Obama realized that American foreign policy doesn't stray all that much with the change of adminstrations .

So what does that mean ? Economically we would be somewhere close to the same pace in the recovery as we are now ;but our long term obligations would be in much better shape.

And the Democrats would NOT be looking at a tsunami today.

Perhaps Obama is the best thing that could happen to the country regarding clarity. Not since the 1930s have the Fabians had a chance to accelerate their utopian folly as theyhave in the last 2 years. The backlash coming was predicatable and is necessary.

Ex there is 2 ways to balance an imbalanced budget. The Dems are hard wired to tax and spend . They implode at the thought of cuts in spending .
Tax cuts work and you know it . Even your hero JFK recognized that and implemented it.

The Dems are hard wired to tax and spend . They implode at the thought of cuts in spending . Tax cuts work and you know itHello again, tom:

The Republicans, on the other hand, IMPLODE when asked specifically WHAT cuts they'll make. They don't HAVE an answer. They'd rather smear the Dems with the "S" word.

Tax cuts, in and of themselves, DON'T work. If a nation is OVERTAXED, they would. But, our rich aren't overtaxed. NOBODY, says these tax cuts for the rich will pay for themselves... That means your children and your grandchildren will pay for them. Now, if you proposed $700 BILLION in spending cuts that PAY for the tax cut, I'll listen...

Remember when we talked about you guys voting against your own interests?? THIS is one of those times... You AREN'T the super rich. I don't know WHY you want to burden yours, and MY children for them. I have NO idea... Nope... I AIN'T buying the job creation BS. David Stockman doesn't either. It's a GIFT, pure and simple - a gift to those who need it LEAST! George Bush knew it was a gift.

excon

PS> Oh, good luck with privatizing SS or cutting Medicare. Good luck too, with repealing Obamacare... Ain't happening...

There was record revenues into the Federal coffers with the current tax cuts. The problem is that spending was never reigned in .
Here is the facts according to the CBO :
Extending the tax cuts would make revenues at 18.2% of the GDP (above the 50 year average) . Spending on the otherhand is 26.5% of GDP (exploding above the 20.3%50 year average ).The growth end of this is in the spending . The budget deficit, historically 2.3% of GDP, is projected to leap to 8.3% of GDP by 2020 under current policies. By the end of this year , the federal government will take in about $2.1 trillion in revenue while spending $3.6 trillion.
No my friend... spending is the problem. I would reform the tax structure and simplfly it and cut number one would be to make many of the accountants in the IRS jobless.

I don't know about Republicans... but I have plenty of ideas on how the budget could be trimmed. Let's start with the Federal transfer of funds to the States . That one should be a no brainer for the libs because the states with the high urban populations suffer the most from this wealth transfer .

How about eliminating completely the Dept of Education and that 'do nothing' bloated bureaucracy .Let the States use the savings to properly fund their school districts. How about this ? Bring Federal salaries and benefits DOWN to the level of the private sector.
There are many more including ending earmarks ,agricultural subsidies ,and other corporate welfare... and yes ,moving some of the entitlement structure into the private sector.
Each of these are worthy of their own op so I'll stop here. Suffice it to say that the next congressional session will have more members that think like me than there are today.

It's 'Time' to gloat. As Mark Twain famously said, the reports of his death were greatly exaggerated, so were the reports of the death of conservatism and the Republican party.

Time trumpeted the death of the Republican party (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/time-magazine-pronounces-republican-party-dead) in 2006. As Elliot noted (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/death-conservatism-410262.html) a while back, "Sam Tanenhaus, an liberal historian, recently wrote a book called "The Death of Conservastism." The totals for this election?

Republicans gained over 650 seats in state legislatures, gaining 18 chambers - the most since 1928. Can you say redistricting? Landslide in the House, pickups in the Senate and what is it, 7 or 8 governorships including a female Republican in New Mexico.

It must feel like Armageddon to the left.

Don't get too happy my friend, you still have to prove your vocabulary goes belong ONE word.

Most of you know that I am a "conservative"... and/but...

I am somewhat happy with the election results, but I am with some many others who say "This is your chance, do it well or we will kick your butt out next time around".

Rick . What exactly do you think can be accomplished with a Dem President and Senate ?
At best this election puts them in a better position to block the President's agenda and perhaps set one of their own that the Dems will block. The proof in the pudding can only be the legislation they propose and pass in the House . It is doubtful the bills will move much further than that.

This is what I will be looking for... I don't want to see the corruption that plagued the GOP when they were previously the majority. I also want them to assert their oversight role .

Don't get too happy my friend, you still have to prove your vocabulary goes belong ONE word.

Don't worry, it was just a minor gloat. But speaking of vocabulary, if I hear the word "bagger" one more time...

"This is your chance, do it well or we will kick your butt out next time around".
It's 'Time' to gloat. Hello Fellas:

Here's how I see it shaping up. When Obama won, we gloated. What we DIDN'T realize, was the vote wasn't a vote FOR Democrats... It was a vote AGAINST George W. Bush. But, the Dems acted as though they were loved... They weren't.

The electorate is saying the same thing this time. This was NOT a vote in favor of right wing ideas, as much as it was a repudiation of Obama. By virtue of there NOT being a viable third party, the onus fell to the Republicans... But, don't make the mistake of thinking this happened because they LOVE you. They don't. But, they HAVE given you a chance... Don't blow it.

It looks, however, like Mitch McConnell is conducting business as usual... That ain't going to work. In short order, I think there will Be a viable third party, or even TWO - one run by Russ Feingold, and the other run by Sarah Palin.

excon

But, don't make the mistake of thinking this happened because they LOVE you. They don't. But, they HAVE given you a chance... Don't blow it.

Something you might agree with, it could depend on who controls the conversation.

The left's message isn't going to change, Obama should have been more liberal and the right is nothing but racist 'baggers' mindlessly controlled by evil corporations, duped by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. It worked well for them this time around...

Cool!! Rush Feingold , Howard the scream and possibly Evita running primary challenges against the President!! For not being liberal enough?? Bwaaa Haa Haaa!!

The left's message isn't going to change,Hello again, Steve:

Like yours changed when you got tromped?? In fact, you doubled down. It worked. Why shouldn't the lefty's try the same thing? Dude!

The arrogance here, is that you righty's actually EXPECT the message to change. It's OK, though. I'm guilty of it too. For over 10 years, I've expected YOU to change when you heard the logic and reason of my positions... Didn't happen.

excon

Like yours changed when you got tromped???? In fact, you doubled down. It worked. Why shouldn't the lefty's try the same thing? Dude!

Actually I congratulated him, said it was historic and defended him repeatedly against the birther nonsense. And yes, I doubled down against his agenda... but I never talked like this (http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2010/12/graydon-201012).