Hello Tea Partiers:

I thought the Tea Party revered the Constitution... The problem with that, is they only MOUTH those words, and have NO CLUE what's actually IN the Constitution...

Tea Party candidates are fond of slogans and one of their favorites is: Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Apparently, Alaska Senate candidate Joe Miller means government by his PERSONAL SECURITY GUARDS.

On Sunday, Miller's guards "arrested" and handcuffed Tony Hopfinger, the editor of the Alaska Dispatch website, as the editor attempted to interview Miller at the end of a public event in a public school in Anchorage.

So, if you are a Tea Party candidate or a far-right extremist, your vision of government is one in which you get to demonize people for relying on and your opponent for supporting a public assistance while you TAKE FUNDS from that public assistance for your own family, demonize government subsidies while ACCEPTING such subsidies, rail against unaccountable government while yourself remaining unaccountable, and extoll the virtues of personal freedom, except for women whose personal freedom is the one thing--the only thing--the government should be regulating.

Oh, and maybe religion because everyone should follow yours.

If you are a Tea Party candidate or officeholder, you don't have to answer questions, you just make up your own truths, such as branding the respected editor of a news outlet to be an "irrational blogger" if they ask questions you don't like.

Government for the people? Guard your democracy, citizens, or it will dissipate.

excon

Yawn... funny how its fine to Bash Srah Palin at every turn, but left wing hacks are exempt from everything.

Just because he was an extreme left wing hack/reporter doesn't give him rights to do and go anywhere he pleases.

After all... the gun grabbers and the anti-free speech groups that want to silence the right are left wingers with no regard for the constitution or the Bill of Rights.

As far as I can tell the "reporter " was acting more like a paparazzi than a legit reporter.He was sticking a camera in Miller's face and provoking him looking for him to slip up and say "macaca " .

No arrest was made .No charges filed He was cuffed and escorted out because he was unruly.He was harassing Joe Miller and impeding him from leaving AFTER the town hall meeting .Miller had to turn around and leave in the other direction.That is when his security detail got between Miller and "the reporter " .

The Alaska Dispatch is an on-line"newspaper" run by Lisa Murkowski loyalist ,blogger Tony Hopfinger (who is also the "reporter " in question ) .

Just like in NY ,the so called journalists are trying to make themselves the story .These clowns are a disgrace to their profession .
Is there a point in time in your mind where legitimate journalism crosses the line and a public figure's rights are violated ? Or is it a case where a public figure like Princess Di has to take the cr@p until the point they get killed in the pursuit ?

Just because he was an extreme left wing hack/reporter doesn't give him rights to do and go anywhere he pleases.Hello smoothy - Tea Party Constitutionalist.

Let's say this leftist WAS disturbing the peace. Does Joe Miller, and his gang, have the Constitutional RIGHT to arrest and detain him? He doesn't. Doesn't it bother you that, as a Senatorial candidate, he knows SO LITTLE about the Constitution??

excon

Hello smoothy - Tea Party Constitutionalist.

Let's say this leftist WAS disturbing the peace. Does Joe Miller, and his gang, have the Constitutional RIGHT to arrest and detain him? He doesn't. Doesn't it bother you that, as a Senatorial candidate, he knows SO LITTLE about the Constitution????

excon

Well when you consider how the Messiah treated reporters that didn't bow and kiss his feet during the campaign. You do remember that he did that to anyone who was critical to his propaganda after all.

We currently have a president that doesn't have a clue... or care about the Bill or Rights and the Constitution. THAT is a far bigger threat.

No arrest was made .No charges filed He was cuffed and escorted out because he was unrulyHello tom:

Yeah, nothing UNConstitutional going on HERE! (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010_elections/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/10/18/video_joe_miller_guards) Dude. You carry his water too??

excon

That's funny, the cop in the video backed up the security guards that it was a private event. So what's your beef?

That's funny, the cop in the video backed up the security guards that it was a private event. So what's your beef?
It was a town hall event. Aren't they public?

As public as the one where the President's staff hand picks the attendees .

As public as the one where the President's staff hand picks the attendees .
Yeah, you're right. It's well known that former President Bush did that.

Yeah, you're right. It's well known that former President Bush did that.And McCain:
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Bush and McCain aren't the subject of this post. The subject is "Joe Miller ARRESTS reporter." It was a private event, crashed by a Murkowski sympathizer and security did their job. 'Nuff said.

OK so we agree both side do that . It only reinforces my point that these events are not always "public" .

Here is part of the statement released by the Miller campaign on the incident :
“While I’ve gotten used to the blog Alaska Dispatch’s assault on me and my family, I never thought that it would lead to a physical assault. It’s too bad that this blogger would take advantage of a “Town Hall” meeting to create a publicity stunt just two weeks before the election.”

The Miller campaign was required by the facility to provide security at the event. Even though Joe had spent more than 40 minutes answering questions from those in attendance, the blogger chased Miller to the exit after the event concluded in an attempt to create and then record a 'confrontation' with the candidate. While Miller attempted to calmly exit the facility, the blogger physically assaulted another individual and made threatening gestures and movements towards the candidate. At that point the security personnel had to take action and intervened and detained the irrational blogger, whose anger overcame him. It is also important to note that the security personnel did not know that the individual they detained was a blogger who was engaged in the campaign. To them, the blogger appeared irrational, angry and potentially violent.

Bottom line... there is a point where a 'reporter' (blogger) crosses the line and harassed the person they are pursuing . That happened recently here in NY where a NY Post reporter was stalking the daughter of Guv candidate Carl Palidino. He got angry at the reporter's boss and it came to a head when the guy got in his face and harassed him. All the world got to see was an angry Paladino... not the reporter who was shooting footage into his 10 year old daughter's home ;or rummaging through her mail.

Bush and McCain aren't the subject of this post. The subject is "Joe Miller ARRESTS reporter." It was a private event, crashed by a Murkowski sympathizer and security did their job. 'Nuff said.
tomder went off-topic and led me astray.

This is from Joe Miller's Facebook page: Town Hall Meeting with Joe Miller Sunday, October 17th at 3pm Central Middle School, 1405 E St, Anchorage, AK 99501 Your friends, colleges, family, acquaintances, neighbors, need to be informed and hear Joe Miller speak for himself.

town hall meeting = informal public event featuring questions from the audience and answers from the candidate(s)

If it weren't public, it wouldn't be a town hall meeting.

Hello smoothy - Tea Party Constitutionalist.

Let's say this leftist WAS disturbing the peace. Does Joe Miller, and his gang, have the Constitutional RIGHT to arrest and detain him? He doesn't. Doesn't it bother you that, as a Senatorial candidate, he knows SO LITTLE about the Constitution????

excon

I disagree with this statement. They have the right. Its called citizen's arrest. And when being witness to the commission of a crime they can have arrest powers as governed by the state.

Citizen's arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest)

Hello dad:

From YOUR link: United States

Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party.

As it turns out, they DON'T have that authority.

excon

Then no doubt Tony Hopfinger will file a complaint or file a suit against Miller and the security agency he hired for the event.

But he won't . He accomplished his mission.He harassed the candidate and provoked a reaction . He got the Macacca moment... mission accomplished.

town hall meeting = informal public event featuring questions from the audience and answers from the candidate(s)

If it weren't public, it wouldn't be a town hall meeting.

If Joe Miller rented the facilities, it's private, whatever he wants to call it and whoever he wants to have. Now if you want to address a different subject, perhaps you can be the first woman to weigh in on NOW's hypocrisy in their disrespect for Meg Whitman.

Hello dad:

From YOUR link: United States

Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party.

As it turns out, they DON'T have that authority.

excon

The common portion of it is the "felony" part. But it does state that for lessor crimes it varies by state. So you would have to defer to the state it is taking place in.

Here is a sample for Alaska.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7n.87bxMq8YAkd1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZzl1dGo zBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfOTM-/SIG=12eshcgqe/EXP=1287536444/**http%3a//www.whittieralaska.gov/docs/citizen_arrest_form.pdf


Added after post:


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7769/is_200705/ai_n32226288/

Hello again, dad:

Look. I don't know if they really had the legal power to arrest him. That may, or may not ever be determined... Nonetheless, I think it's a little brown shirty. That's all.

excon

Hello again, dad:

Look. I dunno if they really had the legal power to arrest him. That may, or may not ever be determined... Nonetheless, I think it's a little brown shirty. That's all.

excon

Is there any video posted of this because I can imagine it going either way. I have seen it from both sides and without knowing more about it according to that second link I provided in the last post it is legal. Now that doesn't mean it was correct in any way. And if all we have is writing. Then that is all we have to judge from. It doesn't look good anyway you view it.

Is there any video posted of this Hello again, dad:

Not exactly, but close. Look HERE! (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010_elections/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/10/18/video_joe_miller_guards)

excon

Seeing the video it looks like the reporters wanted to become the news. If they did have rights to the building by renting it they also have the right to refuse persons entering the building. They appeared to be away from the event. So it was clear they could have been gguilty of tresspass if asked to leave and refuse. Im sure it could have been done more tacfully but that's how yahoo's operate.

If Joe Miller rented the facilities, it's private, whatever he wants to call it
Sweet Joe announced it as a public town hall meeting in a public building.

you can be the first woman to weigh in on NOW's hypocrisy in their disrespect for Meg Whitman.
I LOVE to read up on things, but please don't use "weigh" in the same sentence as "woman." Will check into the Whitman thing.

That video is taken after the fact.

Here's the Alaska law. Once the reporter /blogger was asked to leave and didn't he became a trespasser under Alaska law.


AS 11.46.350. Definition.

(a) As used in AS 11.46.300 - 11.46.350, unless the context requires otherwise, “enter or remain unlawfully” means to

(1) enter or remain in or upon premises or in a propelled vehicle when the premises or propelled vehicle, at the time of the entry or remaining, is not open to the public and when the defendant is not otherwise privileged to do so;

(2) fail to leave premises or a propelled vehicle that is open to the public after being lawfully directed to do so personally by the person in charge; or

(3) enter or remain upon premises or in a propelled vehicle in violation of a provision in an order issued or filed under AS 18.66.100 - 18.66.180 or issued under former AS 25.35.010 (b) or 25.35.020...
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Alaska Statutes: AS 11.46.350. Definition. (http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title11/Chapter46/Section350.htm)

A citizen's arrest was in order.

THANK YOU! - Unfortunately, as we can see from their answers, those against you not really into reading, aren't very articulate in most cases, we just have to keep trying. It is truly amazing how so many will defend those taking away the very rights they claim to want to protect. Amazing.

The cop backing up illegal action is still illegal.A public forum is PUBLIC. A public figure has to answer to the public paying him/her to work for them. What is the matter with people? Yet again the result of educational funds deteriorating.

those against you not really into reading, aren't very articulate in most cases...
What is the matter with people? Yet again the result of educational funds deteriorating.


Nice ad hominems Betty . Is that what you consider intelligent discussion/debate ?

Nice ad hominems Betty . Is that what you consider intelligent discussion/debate ?

I think the attacks should be directed back to the original Alaskan Statutes you cited. Can the hall be hired as a public place while at the same time advertising it as a public forum?

The fallacy may well be taking the source at its face value. Tom, are you trying to convince us of the validity source( Alaskan Statutes) by saying we should taking it at face value.

Regards

Tut

Sweet Joe announced it as a public town hall meeting in a public building.

I LOVE to read up on things, but please don't use "weigh" in the same sentence as "woman." Will check into the Whitman thing.

So "weigh" is now some form of hate speech against women or something? I thought women wanted to be treated equally.

So "weigh" is now some form of hate speech against women or something? I thought women wanted to be treated equally.Dear FSM, you have no sense of humour whatsoever!

TUT . I can cite a number of other sources that detail Alaska law. I assure you that Alaska statutes 11.46.320-350 deal with TRESSPASSING .

The law makes it very clear that once the 'blogger' was asked to leave and didn't ,he was a tresspasser.

Also this incident occurred after the Town Hall event finished and the candidate was attempting to leave . The meeting ceased to be "public " when Miller left the podium. It was then that Hopfinger harassed Miller ;and got physical against Miller's guards. Miller rented the building; regardless of “public meeting' or not . He had a right to evict Hopfinger ,and when he refused ,to detain him until the police arrived.

I also note that when SEIU thugs were beating on conservative attendees of town hall meetings (as per the President's instructions to "get in your neighbor's face") all you could hear at this forum was crickets chirping .

I also note that when SEIU thugs were beating on conservative attendees of town hall meetings (as per the President's instructions to "get in your neighbor's face") all you could hear at this forum was crickets chirping .Hello again, tom:

I don't know about you righty's and the English language... Getting in your neighbors face is WAYYYY different than handcuffing him - at least where I live...

excon

How about a beating (as I mentioned )?
Dailymotion - Obama's SEIU Thugs Attack a Black Conservative - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5yxe_obamas-seiu-thugs-attack-a-black-co_news)

The meeting ceased to be "public " when Miller left the podium. can you quote us the law that affirms this?


I also note that when SEIU thugs were beating on conservative attendees of town hall meetings (as per the President's instructions to "get in your neighbor's face") all you could hear at this forum was crickets chirping .The SEIU aren't the subject of this post. The subject is "Joe Miller arrests reporter."'Nuff said.

How about a beating (as I mentioned )?

Totally irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

How about a beating (as I mentioned )? Hello again, tom:

YOUR video is as inclusive as the other one is, yet you made conclusions about it. Why can't I do the same thing?

excon

NK once Joe Miller concluded the meeting ,and had exited the auditorium into the hallway, ipso facto the public meeting had concluded .

NK once Joe Miller concluded the meeting ,and had exited the auditorium into the hallway, ipso facto the public meeting had concluded .So he exited into a public area and suddenly it's no longer public? LOL!

NK once Joe Miller concluded the meeting ,and had exited the auditorium into the hallway, ipso facto the public meeting had concluded .Hello again, tom:

Spin it any way you choose... But this is a PUBLIC candidate running for a PUBLIC office, and the distinction whether the venue was "public" or "private" and WHEN that occurred BLURS what happened here. The reporter followed the PUBLIC candidate running for a PUBLIC office, after his PUBLIC town hall meeting, in a PUBLIC school, to ask him a question. The PUBLIC candidate had his goons arrest him.

It's BROWN SHIRTY! It's UGLY. This man should NEVER hold power. He's a DANGER.

excon

No please read my comments carefully. I said the public town hall meeting was over when he left the podium. Since the building was rented to him he had a right to end the meeting and have the audience exit the premise when he chose.

Dear FSM, you have no sense of humour whatsoever!

Sure I do, and I don't care who you are, this (http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html) is funny.

Btw, according to the security guard in question, HE called the police after the blogger pushed another attendee into a locker. Oh, and the blogger admitted he shoved a security guard (http://www.breitbart.tv/liberal-blogger-admits-shoving-alaska-gop-candidates-security-guard/). That's kind of like, asking for trouble wouldn't you say?

Sure I do, and I don't care who you are, this (http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html) is funny.
I love that site!

I love that site!

Me too thanks for that link... I've been laughing all afternoon reading through it.