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jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 07:01 AM
Two mothers and two daughters went shopping for new dresses for a wedding celebration. They each returned with a new dress, but they only bought 3 dresses. How can this be correct?

shunter19
Sep 10, 2010, 07:16 AM
It was a grandmother, mother, and daughter, thus 2 mothers and 2 daughters.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 07:44 AM
It was a grandmother, mother, and daughter, thus 2 mothers and 2 daughters.

I see that it was too easy for you. So here's a harder one.

The Mountaineers

A family of 4 were going on a mountaineering holiday. The second morning they were all found dead in their cabin. The coroner declared that they had all died from drowning. The faucets in the cabin had not been left on and the boiler and water storage units were undamaged. There was no sign of foul play. What caused them to drown?


Clues: 1. They were at least a mile from the nearest lake.
2. It had not rained for 5 days. Not a flash flood.
3. It was not caused by problems with a dam.

J_9
Sep 10, 2010, 07:45 AM
Chinese water torturer?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 08:36 AM
Chinese water torturer?

No...

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 08:51 AM
Did the coroner lie?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 08:54 AM
Did the coroner lie?

No, he was the best in his field. An honorable man.

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 08:55 AM
Okay.

Did the coroner make a mistake then?
Was he unsure of a fact?

Everyone is prone to mistakes ;)

adam_89
Sep 10, 2010, 09:01 AM
Did someone drown them?

Was it an accidental death for all of them?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 09:07 AM
Okay.

Did the coroner make a mistake then?
Was he unsure of a fact?

Everyone is prone to mistakes ;)

No mistake was made on the autopsies. I wouldn't do you all like that.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 09:08 AM
Did someone drown them?

Was it an accidental death for all of them?

Yes, they all died accidentally. No foul play was involved.

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 09:16 AM
I wanted to make things sure, as opposed to the things I implied as settled before. I make so many non settled assumptions :o.

Were their cabin on the mountain?
Was the mountain covered with ice?
Was it a cold night?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 09:26 AM
I wanted to make things sure, as opposed to the things I implied as settled before. I make so many non settled assumptions :o.

Were their cabin on the mountain? No.
Was the mountain covered with ice? No.
Was it a cold night? No.

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 09:32 AM
Was there any source of water in the cabin besides the faucets, the boiler and water storage units?

Did the mountaineers have an illness?

Does drowned here means that their lungs were filled with water?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 09:39 AM
Was there any source of water in the cabin besides the faucets, the boiler and water storage units? No.

Did the mountaineers have an illness? No.

Does drowned here means that their lungs were filled with water? Yes, from an outside source, not internally, from body fluids.

Keep thinking.

adam_89
Sep 10, 2010, 09:55 AM
Did they drown on their own spit or mucus? Did they drink themselves to death?

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 10:11 AM
Ok, I'll just put it here to keep it easily visible.


The Mountaineers

A family of 4 were going on a mountaineering holiday. The second morning they were all found dead in their cabin. The coroner declared that they had all died from drowning. The faucets in the cabin had not been left on and the boiler and water storage units were undamaged. There was no sign of foul play. What caused them to drown?


Clues: 1. They were at least a mile from the nearest lake.
2. It had not rained for 5 days. Not a flash flood.
3. It was not caused by problems with a dam.

Did they all die on the same day?
At the same instant?
Was there some remaining trace of water on the cabin floor?
Could it be that they were already dead when water got into their lungs?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 10:14 AM
Did they drown on their own spit or mucus? Did they drink theirselves to death?

No, external fluid source. No, no voluntary intake of said fluid source.

adam_89
Sep 10, 2010, 10:18 AM
Is it relavent that it was the second day?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 10:18 AM
Ok, I'll just put it here to keep it easily visible.



Did they all die on the same day?
At the same instant?
Was there some remaining trace of water on the cabin floor?
Could it be that they were already dead when water got into their lungs?

Yes, same day.
Within a few minutes of each other.
Yes.
No. Drowning was the cause of death.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 10:20 AM
Is it relavent that it was the second day?

No, it could have happened on the first or third day as well.

adam_89
Sep 10, 2010, 10:21 AM
Hmm, so there was water on the floor. This one is going to drive me crazy right?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 10:23 AM
Hmm, so there was water on the floor. This one is going to drive me crazy right?

Oh yes. Oh yes indeed.

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 10:58 AM
Are the ages of the family members relevant?
Are the weather conditions at the time they died relevant?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 11:01 AM
Are the ages of the family members relevant?
Are the weather conditions at the time they died relevant?

No and no.

Got to go get my kids from school. Be back in a while. Sorry for leaving you hanging.

Unknown008
Sep 10, 2010, 11:11 AM
The Mountaineers

A family of 4 were going on a mountaineering holiday. The second morning they were all found dead in their cabin. The coroner declared that they had all died from drowning. The faucets in the cabin had not been left on and the boiler and water storage units were undamaged. There was no sign of foul play. What caused them to drown?


Clues: 1. They were at least a mile from the nearest lake.
2. It had not rained for 5 days. Not a flash flood.
3. It was not caused by problems with a dam.

No worries, I have like 5 threads to be updated and all those... phew!

Were the dead people found on the floor?
Were they perhaps on the bed?
Is there a bath tub in the cabin? A recipient of water in the cabin?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 01:23 PM
No worries, I have like 5 threads to be updated and all those... phew!

Were the dead people found on the floor?
Were they perhaps on the bed?
Is there a bath tub in the cabin? A recipient of water in the cabin?

Perhaps on the floor, on the bed, on a table, doesn't matter.
No internal water source was present.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 03:16 PM
Is it relevant where the cabin is located?

Did the cabin move? For example, a landslide caused it to slide down the mountain?

Is snow involved?

Would they have found fresh water in their lungs (as opposed to saltwater or some other type of liquid)?

morgaine300
Sep 10, 2010, 04:24 PM
Was there anything wrong with the cabin?

Is there more than say 3-4 inches of water on the floor?

Did any water get in under the door(s)?

Alty
Sep 10, 2010, 05:27 PM
The Mountaineers

A family of 4 were going on a mountaineering holiday. The second morning they were all found dead in their cabin. The coroner declared that they had all died from drowning. The faucets in the cabin had not been left on and the boiler and water storage units were undamaged. There was no sign of foul play. What caused them to drown?


Clues: 1. They were at least a mile from the nearest lake.
2. It had not rained for 5 days. Not a flash flood.
3. It was not caused by problems with a dam.

Humidity? Did that have anything to do with it?

morgaine300
Sep 10, 2010, 05:30 PM
Did a big plane with a water tank come in and dump a lot of water on the cabin, crashing in the roof and drowning everyone?

(Hey, I had to ask.)

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:33 PM
Is it relevant where the cabin is located? Yes.

Did the cabin move? No. For example, a landslide caused it to slide down the mountain? No.

Is snow involved?No.

Would they have found fresh water in their lungs (as opposed to saltwater or some other type of liquid)? The water type is important.

Good questions.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 05:34 PM
Did a big plane with a water tank come in and dump a lot of water on the cabin, crashing in the roof and drowning everyone?

(Hey, I had to ask.)

Haha. Where did that crazy idea come from? That would be funny - there was a forest fire and the plane was sent to the nearby lake to get water to drop on the houses. Was there a man with a snorkel and mask dead in the cabin as well?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:34 PM
Was there anything wrong with the cabin? Yes.

Is there more than say 3-4 inches of water on the floor? Yes.

Did any water get in under the door(s)? No.

Good job.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:35 PM
Did a big plane with a water tank come in and dump a lot of water on the cabin, crashing in the roof and drowning everyone?

(Hey, I had to ask.)

I know, but no, no plane dumping water.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:36 PM
Humidity? Did that have anything to do with it?

No.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 05:37 PM
The water type is important. Is it fresh water? Saltwater? Chemically treated water?

Is fire involved? Did the water come from a firetruck?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:40 PM
The water type is important.Yes. Is it fresh water? No. Saltwater?Yes. Chemically treated water?No.

Is fire involved?No. Did the water come from a firetruck? No.

You're getting closer.

Alty
Sep 10, 2010, 05:42 PM
The house started to burn, a firetruck put the fire out not realizing that there were people inside. They were found dead because they drowned in the water from the firetruck.

Stop laughing, I'm tired! ;)

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 05:44 PM
Saltwater - Did it get hit by a tsunami?

Alty - your answer wasn't crazy. Actually for this game, neither is this.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:50 PM
The house started to burn, a firetruck put the fire out not realizing that there were people inside. They were found dead because they drowned in the water from the firetruck.

Stop laughing, I'm tired! ;)

No fire, no firetruck.

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:51 PM
Saltwater - Did it get hit by a tsunami?No.

Alty - your answer wasn't crazy. Actually for this game, neither is this.

No, nothing is crazy in the thinking game.

Alty
Sep 10, 2010, 05:55 PM
Alty will come back after she's eaten and her brain starts functioning again.

No fire? No firetruck?

That sucks!

Flash flood? Toilet overflowed? The well exploded?

I give up... for now. ;)

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 05:57 PM
Alty will come back after she's eaten and her brain starts functioning again.

No fire? No firetruck?

That sucks!

Flash flood? Toilet overflowed? The well exploded?

I give up....for now. ;)

No, no, no.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:01 PM
Was it caused by a natural disaster?

Did the saltwater come from the ocean? From a saltwater lake?

The location of the cabin is important. Is it important which continent it is on? Or do we just need to know the type of setting? Such as, is it in a forest?

Darn - I really thought the tsunami was it. :)

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 06:04 PM
Was it caused by a natural disaster? No.

Did the saltwater come from the ocean? Yes. From a saltwater lake? No.

The location of the cabin is important.Yes. Is it important which continent it is on? No. Or do we just need to know the type of setting?Yes. Such as, is it in a forest? No.

Darn - I really thought the tsunami was it. Nope, sorry. :)

Closer and closer.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:10 PM
Is the cabin on a mountain overlooking the ocean?

Is a boat involved?

Did they die in the cabin? Did they die in the ocean accidentally but were moved to the cabin? (edit - just realized that there was more than 3-4 inches of water in the cabin, but I'll leave my questions. Who knows?)

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 06:13 PM
Is the cabin on a mountain overlooking the ocean? No.

Is a boat involved? Yes.

Did they die in the cabin? Yes. Did they die in the ocean accidentally but were moved to the cabin? No, they were not moved.

You'll get it soon now.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:18 PM
You'll get it soon now.

It doesn't feel that way. :o

Did they bring the boat to the cabin?

Did the boat have a tank that held saltwater?

Was there damage to the boat?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 06:21 PM
It doesn't feel that way. :o

Did they bring the boat to the cabin? No.

Did the boat have a tank that held saltwater? No.

Was there damage to the boat? Yes.

Think harder.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:24 PM
Think harder.

Oh wait. They were going to the mountains, but did they get there? Were they in their cabin in their boat on the ocean heading to their location but something happened to the boat and they took on water?

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 06:31 PM
Oh wait. They were going to the mountains, but did they get there? Were they in their cabin in their boat on the ocean heading to their location but something happened to the boat and they took on water?

We have a winner! It's all about different types of cabins.

Here's the official answer:

They were traveling to their destination by cruise ship. The hull of the ship was rammed during the night, and their cabin was below the water line. The pressure of the water held the door shut, they could not escape, and the rescuers were too late to save them.

Great job.

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:32 PM
We have a winner! It's all about different types of cabins.

Here's the official answer:

They were traveling to their destination by cruise ship. The hull of the ship was rammed during the night, and their cabin was below the water line. The pressure of the water held the door shut, they could not escape, and the rescuers were too late to save them.

Great job.

That was so fun. I'm really enjoying these puzzles. Thanks for doing it. :)

Just Looking
Sep 10, 2010, 06:33 PM
We have a winner! It's all about different types of cabins.

Here's the official answer:

They were traveling to their destination by cruise ship. The hull of the ship was rammed during the night, and their cabin was below the water line. The pressure of the water held the door shut, they could not escape, and the rescuers were too late to save them.

Great job.



And now I better go make dinner - it's going on 7:00 already. :p

jmjoseph
Sep 10, 2010, 06:36 PM
I've got to go too. My wife is in Rome, Italy (flight attendant) and it's just us boys at home. Bedtime.

See you tomorrow.

Alty
Sep 10, 2010, 06:51 PM
My brain hurts. Thanks for that JM. ;)

Dinner is in the oven, it's "throw together what we have in the house" night. Should be interesting. I can't wait to taste it. ;)

We have noodles, spaghetti sauce, garlic, cheese, peas, and a few seasonings. I boiled the noodles, layered all the other ingredients, put it in the oven, and now I'm crossing my fingers that picky eater 1 and 2 will eat it.

Another riddle?

Anyone?

morgaine300
Sep 10, 2010, 07:01 PM
Haha. Where did that crazy idea come from? That would be funny - there was a forest fire and the plane was sent to the nearby lake to get water to drop on the houses. Was there a man with a snorkel and mask dead in the cabin as well?

Well, of course.

morgaine300
Sep 10, 2010, 07:24 PM
1. They were at least a mile from the nearest lake.

A "clue" that is intentionally misleading?

morgaine300
Sep 10, 2010, 07:27 PM
Another riddle?

Anyone?

I had already started another over here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/games/lateral-thinking-puzzle-506400-10.html