View Full Version : Child Support Arrearage Exceeds $250,000
Joshua209
Aug 18, 2010, 02:13 AM
I just exited the Los Angeles County Superior Court Website - more specifically, the "Deadbeat Dad and Mom" link for Los Angeles County. There, they have posted photos and information of "deadbeat" parents who are in child support arrears. I was amazed that those in the Top 5 "Most Wanted" were in arrears of $25-40,000. MY EX-WIFE is in arrears for more than $250,000. At the time of our divorce, based on a full-blown Child Custody Evaluation, I received primary physical custody of our 4 children. Because she had a six-figure salary at the time, support was rather high. Her words to me shortly after the support ruling was something to the effect of, "I'm not worried about it. You're not getting a dime out of me!" And, she stayed true to that. At subsequent hearings over the years, judges really never focused on this issue - even though she didn't pay ANY child support - not a single penny. They made simple comments such as "Mamm, you are aware you have a financial obligation to your children, right?" To which she was reply, "Yes, your honor." And, that was that. It happened time and time again. Another issue I have had over the years was the fact that, even though she pays NOTHING, she claims each child on her annual taxes - because the court order stipulates that she may do so. So, it prevents me from doing so. After more than 6 years of this, I have no idea what to do. We were in court 5 months ago in Los Angeles County (Van Nuys) and, again, NOTHING. The case is filed with the local District Attorney's office and when I requested they take action with things such as driver's license suspension, etc - immediately after receiving notice, my ex began making payments. When I contacted the agency a month ago, they told me they could not take any action because she was making "consistent, monthly payments." Get this - payments of $100 a month!! Aughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
I'm frustrated. I have a 10, 11, 13 and 15 year old - I am financially struggling. I'm very disappointed with the court system.
twinkiedooter
Aug 19, 2010, 12:49 PM
Have you ever spent any time down at the Child Support Enforcement Office and speak to them about this? If anything THEY would be the folks to speak with - not the DA, etc. as you have been doing. S peak with a supervisor down at Child Support and see what they say. It IS in their best interest to have you collect whatever monthly amount your kids are entitled to. What's the matter with these people out there in California that they can't and won't go after her for the arrearage. Payments of $100 a month are an insult especially if this woman has a high paying job.
Did you have a for real attorney at every one of these court appearances where she prevailed or did you handle this all by yourself? If you DID have an attorney you certainly didn't get your money's worth out of him/her. You need to have an attorney reverse the ruling about letting her deduct the kids from her taxes if she is NOT paying the full amount of child support that she was ordered to pay. You need an attorney for this.
Joshua209
Aug 19, 2010, 03:15 PM
Thanks for the reply, twinkie... My ex-wife filed for divorce and SOLE custody of our children in January, 2000 - As a very active musician, she had an annual income that exceeded $150,000/year. She immediately hired a high-powered Beverly Hills attorney, and I hired an extremely reputable attorney as well. Within the first year of the case, she had spent nearly $20,000 and I had spent around $16,000 in attorneys fees. After year one and a full-blown Child Custody Evaluation in Southern California, I was granted PRIMARY physical custody and we shared legal custody. Child support was listed at $5,000/monthly. She refused to pay a dime. Within 6 months, she filed a new case attempting to reverse custody and we spent another year in court on a 2nd child custody eval. During that time, my attorney mentioned the finances; her attorney continually stated things like, "She doesn't make that type of money anymore..." and, ultimately, just prior to my retaining primary custody, I agreed to cut my losses and take the $100,000 owed at the time and bring the arrearage down to zero. And, I did that 3 additional times over the years - literally wiped out the arrearage. So, yes, I had a REAL attorney through most of this with the exception of this last year-plus-long ordeal. I can no longer afford an attorney. I have no savings at this point. So, I handled the case myself. It began with an ex-parte and my ex telling the judge she "feared" for the lives of our children... After a year-long Child Custody Eval, I won yet again! As of August 12, 2010 when the Judge signed the new order, I have sole physical and as far as legal custody I only have to consult with her on MAJOR medical - that's it. I can solely make all other decisions. And, YES - I have met with Child Support Enforcement supervisors - they were the ones that sent me a notice saying she was "consistently making payments"... She has made $100 payments for the past 4 or 5 months to avoid having her driver's license suspended. As far as attorney representation for all the above as well as tax issues I'm having, I can't afford that for a longggg while.
twinkiedooter
Aug 19, 2010, 06:31 PM
So, from what you are saying above you have ALREADY collected $100,000 not once but 4 times? Am I reading this correctly? Or were the "other 3 times" lesser amounts owed that you settled for?
I know you don't want to hear this but you should have taken some of that arrearage money and hired a shark for an attorney who would have cleaned her pockets. I worked for such "sharks" who were top notch divorce attorneys and they knew all the ropes and how to get blood out of a stone. Your attorney charging $16K is not a very high figure for attorneys and hers at $20K isn't that high either.
Right now, you are obviously in need of money so you are trying to figure out a way to have her cough up some hefty dough.
What happened those 4 times with all the money that you supposedly got paid? Makes no sense that an attorney whether good or bad would not have sent financial interrogatories to her having her spell out in great detail her sources of income and her monthly financial obligations. You don't just have an attorney pipe up in court that the person doesn't make that kind of money anymore. Doesn't happen in the real world. A judge looks at everything on PAPER when it comes to handing out decisions.
Something doesn't sound right here.
What do YOU do for a living and are you remarried now?
dontknownuthin
Aug 19, 2010, 07:14 PM
I think you should do two things. First, you need a better attorney. Her pay should be garnished and an order should be in place outlining a schedule for coming current with the arrearage and also paying on a timely basis moving forward. There also should have been a petition by now to exclude her from being able to claim the children as dependents on her taxes and perhaps a good attorney could get this restored to you annually until she is current, at which time you can revert to an alternate year schedule.
I also agree that it would be beneficial to go to Child support enforcement. They should enforce whatever your court order stipulates, not what they think is fair or reasonable or consistent.
Joshua209
Aug 19, 2010, 08:50 PM
Sorry for the confusion, twinkie. Upon re-reading my post, I saw where the confusion lies. First of all, let me say this. First and foremost, my number one priority has always been the children. That being said, what I meant to say was - that on three separate occasions, with her in arrears of, between $60,000-100,000 - I allowed her a clean slate, cut my losses, and did NOT collect a dime, and listed "past due/arrearages" at ZERO. I COLLECTED NOTHING. On three separate occasions, I was happy to have the children, grateful the court processes were over - and to express that gratitude, I simply agreed to drop the past due child support owed to ZERO. Was I being too generious? ABSOLUTELY. Could I have used that money for our children? Again. ABSOLUTELY. But, I chose not to collect a dime.
I have been an elementary school educator since leaving the music industry in 2003. The children and I live in Northern California where we have lived also since 2003. The children's mother lives in Illinois.
this8384
Aug 20, 2010, 06:57 AM
I am totally confused at this point. You say you've allowed substantial amounts of money to be dismissed numerous times, and are now complaining about not receiving money. That's like beating your head against a wall and then complaining that it hurts. You say you're disappointed in the state, but you're the one who agreed to clear the arrears.
If she was that far behind, they would have intercepted her tax refund by now. So I can't believe that you haven't seen "any" money.
What exactly is your question?
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the reply this8384... Oh, I can't see I haven't seen "any" money - I have seen a few thousand dollars (possibly not more than 5,000 given here and there over the course of more than 10 years! Letme add this part to the issue - she is SELF-EMPLOYED - and, it is nearly, and almost impossible to deal with child support and those that are self-employed. Also, add this to the puzzle - she moves quite a bit - not just down the street or around the block... She has lived in Illinois, Georgia, and scattered places in California throughout the past 10 years as well - so, I have noticed that it often takes one state 8-10 months before they've even transferred the case to the new place of residence - by then, she dances for them for about 6-months, then moves yet again.
As far as "complaining" - I'm not "complaining" about the few times I've given up the money. I'm talking about NOW! Current, as of this date, August 20, 2010, she is, once again $251,000 in arrears!! And, this time, I will NOT allow it to slip through my minds. I need to begin college plans for our children and much, much more. As they discuss with me their future goals, plans, desires, I have to financially begin to prepare for those things. So, again, I'm not "complaining" about the other times. I'm talking about what is owed at present.
Let me add this. At the time of our divorce, I further gave up "control" of our joint companies (we had two). With that, the Judge gave her the right to continue operating the companies and controlling the daily operations with the clause/understanding, that I was entitled to HALF of it's yearly receivables. It was stipulated that I was to receive HALF of all receivables within 10 days of receipt AND, I was to be provided with quarterly and annual income statements. This income was to be separate and has NOTHING to do with child support. But... once again, I've received NOTHING - not a single statement, not a single check, NOTHING... NOTHING... NOTHING...
Now, I'm sure you're saying this is my fault and asking why haven't I pursued this with the court. Well, I've been dealing with CUSTODY for the entire decade - and her extreme courtroom accusations - I've been accused of everything from "attempted rape" (on her), "improper conduct" (with the children), "parental alienation, manipulation"... and the list goes on and on and on. That being said, I've found myself always on the defensive protecting the custody of the children... each time, ending with a victory and the right to maintain custodial parent.
This time around, I'm FINISHED! With the ending of this case, I nearly have complete SOLE CUSTODY (just a few minor things I must comply with) - but, for the most part, she has lost pretty much all custody. Now that this final custody battle is over, I'm ready to tackle all the financial issues that I've been unable to approach. I need a plan and strategy on where to begin. At this point, I don't have a dime for legal assistance! What do I do??
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 09:55 AM
Problem Number one as I begin formulating my plan. I would like to start the new case regarding finances soon but... because the case originated (in 2000) in Southern California (we all lived there at the time) our most recent custody case was also conducted there as well. Do you know how financially demanding that is to travel back and forth (I now live 400-plus miles away)... And, my ex-wife currently lives in Illinois (believe me, I know the travel was far worse on her - but, she began that custody battle - so, it was simply something she had to deal with)... Anyway, how do I begin this new case dealing with finances - yet move the entire case to the city where the children and I have now lived for nearly 7 years!?
this8384
Aug 20, 2010, 10:50 AM
Thanks for the reply this8384... Oh, I can't see I haven't seen "any" money - I have seen a few thousand dollars (possibly not more than 5,000 given here and there over the course of more than 10 years! Letme add this part to the issue - she is SELF-EMPLOYED - and, it is nearly, and almost impossible to deal with child support and those that are self-employed. Also, add this to the puzzle - she moves quite a bit - not just down the street or around the block... She has lived in Illinois, Georgia, and scattered places in California throughout the past 10 years as well - so, I have noticed that it often takes one state 8-10 months before they've even transferred the case to the new place of residence - by then, she dances for them for about 6-months, then moves yet again.
Self-employed or not, she still needs to file a tax return.
As far as "complaining" - I'm not "complaining" about the few times I've given up the money. I'm talking about NOW! Current, as of this date, August 20, 2010, she is, once again $251,000 in arrears!! And, this time, I will NOT allow it to slip through my minds. I need to begin college plans for our children and much, much more. As they discuss with me their future goals, plans, desires, I have to financially begin to prepare for those things. So, again, I'm not "complaining" about the other times. I'm talking about what is owed at present.
Okay, that's good to know. But you brought it up - it doesn't have any bearing. You made a decision to let it slide in the past. That's done and over with.
In order for her to be over $251,000 in arrears, that would mean you haven't received anything whatsoever since June 2006. Did she not file a tax return for '06, '07, '08 or '09?
Let me add this. At the time of our divorce, I further gave up "control" of our joint companies (we had two). With that, the Judge gave her the right to continue operating the companies and controlling the daily operations with the clause/understanding, that I was entitled to HALF of it's yearly receivables. It was stipulated that I was to receive HALF of all receivables within 10 days of receipt AND, I was to be provided with quarterly and annual income statements. This income was to be separate and has NOTHING to do with child support. But... once again, I've received NOTHING - not a single statement, not a single check, NOTHING... NOTHING... NOTHING...
So file for contempt of court against her.
Now, I'm sure you're saying this is my fault and asking why haven't I pursued this with the court. Well, I've been dealing with CUSTODY for the entire decade - and her extreme courtroom accusations - I've been accused of everything from "attempted rape" (on her), "improper conduct" (with the children), "parental alienation, manipulation"... and the list goes on and on and on. That being said, I've found myself always on the defensive protecting the custody of the children... each time, ending with a victory and the right to maintain custodial parent.
I never once said anything was your fault. However, you did not address the support issue. You may have been dealing with custody, but it was still your responsibility to address the support issue as well.
This time around, I'm FINISHED! With the ending of this case, I nearly have complete SOLE CUSTODY (just a few minor things I must comply with) - but, for the most part, she has lost pretty much all custody. Now that this final custody battle is over, I'm ready to tackle all the financial issues that I've been unable to approach. I need a plan and strategy on where to begin. At this point, I don't have a dime for legal assistance! What do I do??
Go to your local courthouse. Explain to them that the case was originally filed in 2000 in California; both you and the non-custodial parent have relocated and you would like to file a change of venue. If your income is low, they will have forms you can complete to waive the filing fees.
Honestly, I'm quite shocked as to why anyone would let someone jack them around for a decade in this manner. You seem to have given up everything in the divorce, continually let her off the hook for child support which doesn't make sense, haven't requested the receipts and statements which you claim you're entitled too... it's like this woman is tap-dancing on your face and you're too scared to do anything about it. Why haven't you taken action on any of this?
this8384
Aug 20, 2010, 10:57 AM
Did you have a for real attorney at each and every one of these court apperances where she prevailed or did you handle this all by yourself? If you DID have an attorney you certainly didn't get your money's worth out of him/her. You need to have an attorney reverse the ruling about letting her deduct the kids from her taxes if she is NOT paying the full amount of child support that she was ordered to pay. You need an attorney for this.
That's something else that doesn't make sense. The tax exemption typically goes to the parent providing the most financial support for the child - in this case, the mother. However, if the OP is not receiving that support then all he needs to do is petition the court and request that HE be given the exemption(s) - I've seen one of my friends lose his exemption for his son for the past three years because his exwife decides she wants to claim him.
The only grounds I could see for him not receiving the exemption would be if his ex WAS paying her support in a timely manner.
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 11:41 AM
this8384... I agree with you wholeheartedly! And, as much as this pains me to say, I do believe you have hit the nail on the head. And, I shamefully admit it... "too scared"... I have NEVER wanted anything to put me in a position of losing custody. So, I've focused solely on THAT battle. But, now - after 3 FULL-BLOWN (all took nearly 1-year to complete) Child Custody Evaluations - ALL 3 of which painted the most incredible picture of me and my parenting skills; and more than 5 official "custody" case victories - I'm ready to battle on this financial end. I'm ready to finally take this situation on. Ohhh, and don't get me wrong - it hasn't been entirely ignored - there have been several court hearings regarding custody - but, the fight has usually been overshadowed by the custody issues - I'm going to begin where you advised - visit my local courthouse and begin the processes - first with the "contempt" issue - I have record of notices I sent to her (which ultimately sparked the last custody case) regarding the clause in the court order that stipulates I "have the right to contact, request financial records, and maintain a personal business relationship" with all those making payments to the companies. Unfortunately, up to now, those companies have not allowed me that right because my ex refuses to tell them I have that right - and, they have all said, they need signed consent from HER.
Another major hurdle has been finances - I've exhausted every dollar I have caring for four awesome children and fighting custody battles for 10 years - not to mention being mentally and physically worn down from the continual battle. Here we go again - thanks for the awesome advice!! Keep it coming!!
cdad
Aug 20, 2010, 01:34 PM
this8384...I agree with you wholeheartedly! And, as much as this pains me to say, I do believe you have hit the nail on the head. And, I shamefully admit it..."too scared"...I have NEVER wanted anything to put me in a position of losing custody. So, I've focused soley on THAT battle. But, now - after 3 FULL-BLOWN (all took nearly 1-year to complete) Child Custody Evaluations - ALL 3 of which painted the most incredible picture of me and my parenting skills; and more than 5 official "custody" case victories - I'm ready to battle on this financial end. I'm ready to finally take this situation on. Ohhh, and don't get me wrong - it hasn't been entirely ignored - there have been several court hearings regarding custody - but, the fight has usually been overshadowed by the custody issues - I'm going to begin where you advised - visit my local courthouse and begin the processes - first with the "contempt" issue - I have record of notices I sent to her (which ultimately sparked the last custody case) regarding the clause in the court order that stipulates I "have the right to contact, request financial records, and maintain a personal business relationship" with all those making payments to the companies. Unfortunately, up to now, those companies have not allowed me that right because my ex refuses to tell them I have that right - and, they have all said, they need signed consent from HER.
Another major hurdle has been finances - I've exhausted every dollar I have caring for four awesome children and fighting custody battles for 10 years - not to mention being mentally and physically worn down from the continual battle. Here we go again - thanks for the awesome advice!!! Keep it coming!!!
If you are pursuing a case of contempt then you can file it with her paying the lawyer fees. If the companies still exist then you should have no problem finding a lawyer to work with you. There should be liens on the businesses and also the business license too. Get started today!!
California Courts: Self-Help Center: Families & Children: Child, Spousal, & Partner Support (http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/family/support/)
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 01:41 PM
They absolutely exist - they are some of the biggest companies in the world of music and include major music divisions such as ASCAP, BMI, The Harry Fox Agency, The William Morris Agency, The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists - they are big, big companies that pay out quarterly income to "our" companies...
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 01:44 PM
Again, my current and possibly BIGGEST coup would be to get this issue brought into the city where I actually live - the "Change of Venue" - I definitely DO not have the finances to take the 400-mile trip to Southern California to deal with this case. Nor, do I have the financial ability to secure a Los Angeles Attorney and maintain phone contact, correspondence, attend conferences, etc.. I believe I could seriously pull this off if I could handle it on a local level - and, she would have to travel here!!
cdad
Aug 20, 2010, 01:49 PM
Again, my current and possibly BIGGEST coup would be to get this issue brought into the city where I actually live - the "Change of Venue" - I definitely DO not have the finances to take the 400-mile trip to Southern California to deal with this case. Nor, do I have the financial ability to secure a Los Angeles Attorney and maintain phone contact, correspondence, attend conferences, etc.. I believe I could seriously pull this off if I could handle it on a local level - and, she would have to travel here!!!
As nike says " just do it"
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 01:50 PM
Also... mark my words, she will initiate a Custody Case, yet again, once I start this one - she's learned they do overshadow financial matters...
cdad
Aug 20, 2010, 01:55 PM
Also...mark my words, she will initiate a Custody Case, yet again, once I start this one - she's learned they do overshadow financial matters.....
Just keep it separate. Go for one battle at a time. Get it done.
twinkiedooter
Aug 20, 2010, 02:14 PM
I'm still confused. How did you end up with the $251K figure when you've forgiven her the arrears in the past? Essentially when you forgave the arrears the clock rolled back to zero.
Also, once you've started a suit about the companies it's relatively easy to subpoena the business records, payments, etc. to show in Court where you are legally entitled to half of the proceeds. This suit would have absolutely nothing to do with a custody suit either. It would be filed under the "Contempt of Court Order" if that's what was in the divorce final Orders that is. And you would be able to collect YOUR attorney's fees in this case if you win as it would be a contempt matter. She would have to prove to the Court that the Judge who signed the original Order giving you half of the two companies' business was wrong. But that won't happen as she is in the wrong, not the original Judge.
JudyKayTee
Aug 20, 2010, 02:18 PM
This is a blog, not a legal question.
I can't even make sense of the situation - I've subpoened info in the past and I most certainly didn't need anyone's permission to do so. I prepared the subpoenas, took them to Court with a Motion, got them signed, got them served.
So, again, I'm not really sure what is going on here. Every answer given seems to be wrong based on some additional info.
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 02:32 PM
Hey, TWINKIE: It's EXTREMELY easy for the money to add up rather quickly when the child support order is set at $5,200/month: for the calendar years, 2000 and 2001, the arrearage was $124,800 - which I "forgave her" of - I did the same with the calendar years 2002, 2003, and a partial 2004 with $140-plus thousand; and a third time for the calendar years 2005 and 2006. NOW... keep in mind, I haven't received a dime for 2007, 2008, 2009 nor 2010 - $5,200/month times 12 is $62,400 annually - multiply that times 3 - then add the $41,600 owed for 2010 and an outstanding $36,400 from the calendar year 2006 and you get a WHOPPING $265,200.00 American Dollars. And, to think I'm desperately praying the electricity isn't shut off next week!? Make sense??
JudyKayTee
Aug 20, 2010, 02:37 PM
No, it doesn't make sense - why did you "forgive her [of]" support on more than one occasion?
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 02:44 PM
Tread #12 answers that JUDYKAYTEE - very shamefully I said, "fear"... maintaining custody has always been my number 1 focus - and, anytime the finances were a court issue, she has gone after custody with a vengeance!! You would have to read all the treads to understand a little more... thanks for the post.
JudyKayTee
Aug 20, 2010, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the advice but I did read all the "treads"/posts - I still don't know why, with the cost of a good college education as high as it, you would forgive that amount of arrearages. I don't think this falls in the category of awesome parenting skills.
Fear? She can come at you for custody at any time. Paying or not paying, forgiving or not forgiving, does not guarantee she won't.
If you are so interested in maintaining custody why don't you drop the support issue altogether now?
I don't understand your thought process - you were afraid she would go after custody with a vengeance in years X, Y and Z but now it doesn't matter?
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 03:05 PM
Nope. It doesn't matter NOW. Our oldest is 18 and the younger ones are 14, and 15 - and, she has lost all physical custody with the exception of (2) 1-week visits per year, which must be completed in the city in which the children and I reside - and she is allowed NO OVERNIGHTS. In addition to that I hold in my hands the most extensive Child Custody Evaluation completed thus far - simply because, at this age, ALL children participated in it and their voices weighed heavily.
That being said, over the years, the children were never starving - I maintained a $50,000/year income in education so they were always well-cared for, by me, in every area of life.
As far as your judgement of "awesome parenting skills" - the children all maintain 3.4 or better grade-point averages, have never once been to a Principal's office, are responsible, mature, extremely well-mannered and are highly productive and involved as stand-up members of the community and our church. I would call that "successful parenting". THANK YOU!
JudyKayTee
Aug 20, 2010, 03:11 PM
I'm dropping out because I still don't understand your thought process. How you intend to put three kids through college on $50,000 a year is beyond me but... it appears that decision (to waive support) has been made.
I am interested in the evaluation in which your children participated and in which their opinions counted heavily - in NY they certainly can have an opinion but Judges very often go against those same opinions.
I wish you well.
Alty
Aug 20, 2010, 03:20 PM
Our oldest is 18 and the younger ones are 14, and 15
I thought you had 4 kids.
I received primary physical custody of our 4 children.
JudyKayTee
Aug 20, 2010, 03:33 PM
Alty, you beat me to it. Here's one quote: "I have a 10, 11, 13 and 15 year old."
Here's another: "Our oldest is 18 and the younger ones are 14, and 15 -"
They are aging at different rates and one has disappeared!
twinkiedooter
Aug 20, 2010, 03:45 PM
Alty, you beat me to it. Here's one quote: "I have a 10, 11, 13 and 15 year old."
Here's another: "Our oldest is 18 and the younger ones are 14, and 15 -"
They are aging at different rates and one has disappeared!
JKT - why do you think I sent you that PM in the first place?? I kind of guessed it right from the git go here.
I vote we close this thread, er, blog as the OP keeps skating around too much.
dontknownuthin
Aug 20, 2010, 05:24 PM
Sorry but I find it a little suspicious that you're owed a quarter million in arrearages having forgiven major arrearages in the past so many times.
If she makes enough to be ordered to pay this kind of child support to begin with there'd be no reason for you, as a school teacher to forgive that. Also, if so many arrearages were forgiven it seems to me that at some point even a really dumb attorney and judge would require that child support payments be taken directly from her pay moving forward through garnishment, which is kind of the standard for child support payments most places to start with.
Something about your story just doesn't make sense.
Also, the aging at different rates/disappearing fourth child is weird, as is the concept of 2 week-long visits that include no overnights... that's tricky.
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 06:43 PM
Sorry, I forgot to add that... to make matters slightly more complicated - we also have an 18-year old NON-BIOLOGICAL - I consider him MINE as he was born weeks before we started dating. Unfortunately, because I never adopted him, he was removed from my care/custody at the time of the initial divorce - I only recently (since he turned 18 and moved from mom's house) began seeing him again - and, this time around, he was able to participate in the Child Custody Evaluation because it was HIS choice. In earlier evals, mom NEVER allowed him to participate and found his biological dad who also refused; therefore, the courts honored that. At 18, his words and participation were very helpful in this process. Furthermore, on our 13 year old turned 14 today.
I have to say, one of the most difficult parts of this case was the removal of the non-biological child from our lives - and I believe, it highly contributed to the children's issues they developed with their mom. None of them could understand why he was not allowed to come to our home. And, when they children visited mom in the early years, I believe this issue became heated and controversial within that household and the children ultimately developed a strong sense of bitterness because of it.
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 06:45 PM
TWINKIE: I further vote we "close the tread" as well. I've pretty much bared it all here - possibly shared wayyyy too much information about my private life and those of my children. PLEASE DO CLOSE THE ENTIRE QUESTION, POST, AND ALL ITS SUBSEQUENT TREADS. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
Alty
Aug 20, 2010, 06:59 PM
we also have an 18-year old NON-BIOLOGICAL
So you have 5 kids, or is it 4, or 3?
I have a 10, 11, 13 and 15 year old
And then
Our oldest is 18 and the younger ones are 14, and 15
Do you see the discrepancies? Do you see why none of this is making sense?
You don't seem to know how many kids you have or what their ages are.
That's why this thread should be closed. It's obvious you're not being completely honest, and without honesty, we can't help you.
Good luck.
Joshua209
Aug 20, 2010, 07:44 PM
Altenweg... I'm going to begin by saying that I have very much appreciated the comments - especially the very helpful ones - and those that sincerely gave advice - something I truly need at this stage. I appreciate that direction and wisdom - which is what I came to this site for; certainly NOT to experience a courtroom setting and have to prove to a group of people that I am telling the truth. Believe me, I've done enough of that over the past 10-plus years.
I simply did not mention the non-biological. My ex and I share 4 biological children: a 10 ; and 11 a now 14 year old , a 15 year old... and a NON-BIOLOGICAL, age 18 {BDates edited out-<>}
Again... I would like to thank those who have contributed greatly.
Thank you again for deleting this entire on-going tread of messages!
JudyKayTee
Aug 21, 2010, 08:19 AM
I don't see that it's been closed - as long as you keep coming back you will get responses.
It's like driving past a car wreck - hard to turn away.
If you think THIS panel is rough, wait until you get into Court.
Joshua209
Aug 21, 2010, 03:59 PM
JudyKayTee: I have been to court dozens upon dozens of times - It's NEVER been tough. With major preparation, with proper guidance, I've had incredible victories. It's interesting me though to see the handful of people that clearly operate in bitterness. I have very respectfully, asked my questions - very respectfully explained my situation - And, yes, I am returning to RESPECTFULLY request, once again, that this tread be removed by the forum moderators. THANK YOU, again, to all those who have genuinely given great advice and have shared their wisdom.
twinkiedooter
Aug 21, 2010, 04:38 PM
For a school teacher you don't seem to have a good handle on the real world and how to properly go about getting resolution on financial matters such as the two companies and not receiving a dime from either of them. If you really had attorneys over the years it would have been a simple matter to bring the contempt motion to the Judge's attention a LONG, LONG TIME AGO and you receive your proper share. What for bozo attorneys were you dealing with for them NOT to have gone after her for contempt? Am still shaking my head in disbelief on that one.
I'm sorry, but my opinion of school teachers is not that high as I've met some real doozies in my time that didn't have enough sense to step out of the rain or use an umbrella. And yes, I AM being nice here but that is my opinion.
I wish you had straightened out your posts before we here pointed out the many, many discrepancies you presented. We have handed out legal advice here many, many times on AMHD about child support problems and other family legal problems. JKT's been around the courts in different capacities, and Califdad has had lots of personal experience in child support problems as well. I was a paralegal in Florida and Ohio and worked in family law offices.
We would have been more than happy to help you if you would only ask honest questions.
If you have any questions, please ask them but please be honest, OK?
Joshua209
Aug 21, 2010, 05:50 PM
Twinkie... I have been COMPLETELY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY honest. If any of you are local, nearby me, I would be more than happy to show you my court documents, all the matter involving this case because I very sincerely and honest am seeking wise advice.
I mean absolutely zero disrespect to any of you or any of your life-experiences, etc. You have clearly resorted to bashing (now you're attacking teachers). You STILL do not know all the details of this 10-plus year case; therefore, your personal judgements are ridiculous. The fact that a Los Angeles Judge allowed a "move away" of more than 400-miles from the residence where the children grew up, attended school, and mom lived 2 miles from us was a HUGE victory in 2003 - I've experienced incredible victories. And, as I mentioned earlier, I'm sorry - MONEY was not my motive - caring for and protecting the children was. The fact that I wasn't ruthless when it came to finances is something I'm actually very proud of. But, the fact remains, that there are more recent arrearages and now I'm preparing to take steps to financially make advances. Again, respectfully, I thank all the great advice I've received from those who have truly been sincerely helpful.
JudyKayTee
Aug 21, 2010, 06:28 PM
JudyKayTee: I have been to court dozens upon dozens of times - It's NEVER been tough. With major preparation, with proper guidance, I've had incredible victories. It's interesting me though to see the handful of people that clearly operate in bitterness. I have very respectfully, asked my questions - very respectfully explained my situation - And, yes, I am returning to RESPECTFULLY request, once again, that this tread be removed by the forum moderators. THANK YOU, again, to all those who have genuinely given great advice and have shared their wisdom.
Once again you have changed your tune. If you have it all figured out and it's all been easy and worked out for you, what are you doing here?
I would venture a guess that I've been in Court more in a month than you have in a lifetime.
And you are a teacher? You keep posting tread instead of thread as well as a few grammatical errors thrown in.
Once again - if you know it all, why are you here?
STOP POSTING AND THE "TREAD" WILL DIE.
Joshua209
Aug 21, 2010, 11:21 PM
I have asked that the tread be REMOVED. Again. If you are a moderator of this site, I've asked you to remove it. I did find the information I needed - I feel califdad, this8294, and Gem did an incredible job of sharing their wealth of wisdom - Judy and Twinkie have resorted to junior high, (look at all your grammar errors) petty, and extremely childish behavior. You should not in anyway be monitors of this site. You lack the character in which to handle yourself properly.
GEM... I am requesting for this entire tread to be removed. Thank you, in advance.
GV70
Aug 22, 2010, 01:39 AM
Excuse me but who are you??
If you are a teacher I can say" God save our children from the teachers".
ScottGem
Aug 22, 2010, 04:08 AM
Closed