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galveston
Aug 3, 2010, 02:26 PM
Have any of you read Chuck Norris' article "Obama's US Assassination Project" (2 part article)?

It is pretty long to post here.

Ex, you should REALLY be able to get your teeth into this one!

If you don't find it, ask and I will post it.

excon
Aug 3, 2010, 02:36 PM
Hello gal:

Somehow I don't think I'm going to agree with Chuck Norris, but I'll read it.

Here's what I DO know about Obama's intention to execute American citizens WITHOUT due process of law. Early last month, the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights were retained by Nasser al-Awlaki, the father of Obama assassination target (and U.S. citizen) Anwar al-Awlaki, to seek a federal court order restraining the Obama administration from killing his son without due process of law. But then, a significant and extraordinary problem arose: regulations promulgated several years ago by the Treasury Department prohibit U.S. persons from engaging in any transactions with individuals labeled by the Government as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist," and those regulations specifically bar lawyers from providing legal services to such individuals without a special "license" from the Treasury Department specifically allowing such representation.

On July 16, roughly two weeks after Awlaki's father retained the ACLU and CCR to file suit, the Treasury Department slapped that label on Awlaki. That action would have made it a criminal offense for those organizations to file suit on behalf of Awlaki or otherwise provide legal representation to him without express permission from the U.S. Government. On July 23, the two groups submitted a request for such a license with the Treasury Department, and when doing so, conveyed the extreme time-urgency involved: namely, that there is an ongoing governmental effort to kill Awlaki and any delay in granting this "license" could cause him to be killed without these claims being heard by a court. Despite that, the Treasury Department failed even to respond to the request.

Left with no choice, the ACLU and CCR this morning filed a lawsuit on their own behalf against Timothy Geithner and the Treasury Department.

As the ACLU/CCR Brief puts it: "The notion that the government can compel a citizen to seek its permission before challenging the constitutionality of its actions in court is wholly foreign to our constitutional system".

Did Chuck Norris say anything like that?

excon

excon
Aug 3, 2010, 02:51 PM
Hello again, Gal:

Hmmm.. (http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2010/07/27/obamas_us_assassination_program) Will wonders never cease? I AGREE with Chuck Norris. But, those pictures of Glenn Beck made me nervous.

excon

Wondergirl
Aug 3, 2010, 03:37 PM
Here you go (both parts are included)--

Obama's US Assassination Program? by Chuck Norris - Liberty Forest (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=255624)

From your friendly AMHD librarian

paraclete
Aug 3, 2010, 10:37 PM
Here ya go (both parts are included)--

Obama's US Assassination Program? by Chuck Norris - Liberty Forest (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=255624)

from your friendly AMHD librarian

Well I guess you have to decide which is worse, extraordinary rendition and torture in some backward place where rights don't exist, or a quick tap because you have been found guilty of something by "the administration". You have to remember, big brother is watching and if you weren't guilty, they wouldn't be watching you. Now line this up with my latest post and you will have a lot of disappearing neighbours.

Oh, I forgot, these are the good guys who wouldn't do anything like that. SSSSH

tomder55
Aug 4, 2010, 04:27 AM
Good luck getting Yemen to agree to extradition, good luck getting a judge to agree to an order to attack a military target who just happens to also be a traitor to his country.
Awlaki is a legitimate military target .

Oh wait ,that's right ,Norris doesn't really think the President is seriously targeting Anwar al-Awlaki. Norris is one of those guys who think that Obama plans on taking out Christians, conservatives, and veterans.Rush and Glenn Beck had better be careful.No arrest. No due process. No trial. Just a bullet.

Remember when President Bush was going to put us all in those gvt. Concentration camps ? This is paranoia carry over .

paraclete
Aug 4, 2010, 05:45 AM
This is paranoia carry over .

Is it? Or is there good reason for this paranoia? Has Obama gone back on the principle of no assassinations? If Clinton has been a little more proactive we wouldn't have had 9-11. If GWB hadn't been asleep at the wheel we wouldn't have had 9-11 and the Iraq war wouldn't have been necessary because Saddam would have simply ceased to exist. Don't think I condone this behaviour but it is ironic that now this sort of thing is considered just part of the game

tomder55
Aug 4, 2010, 06:17 AM
And in the world of GHW Bush CIA, Jullian ASSange would not exist. The only difference now is that Admiral Blair goes on national television and publicly testifies in Congress to announce government espionage policies to the world. Policies that previously would never see the light of day .

galveston
Aug 4, 2010, 12:05 PM
Maybe I AM a little paranoid, but when I first heard about Obama allowing INTERPOL to operate in this country, apparently without Constitutional restraints, it made me nervous. I still am.

tomder55
Aug 4, 2010, 07:02 PM
Gal
Our FBI operates in other countries at the invitation of those countries. The US is a participating member of Interpol.
It is one of the few International Organizations that does a good job.

What the President did was to give Interpol the same rights inside the US that other International Organizations have under the 'International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945'.This was NOT a sudden and unexpected decision by the President. It was part of a process that began in 1983 by President Reagan (Executive Order 12425 which Obama Amended),and amended by President Clintoon. Interpol in fact has been running an office in the DOJ for years.

It does not stand to reason that this move moves us closer to participation in the International Criminal Court .

paraclete
Aug 4, 2010, 07:14 PM
Maybe I AM a little paranoid, but when I first heard about Obama allowing INTERPOL to operate in this country, apparently without Constitutional restraints, it made me nervous. I still am.

I find it amazing how paranoid americans are about the reasonableness and ethics of organisations outside their own country. You need to understand everyone is just the same as everyonelese, we all want to live in peace and get on with our lives and see justice done

galveston
Aug 5, 2010, 12:59 PM
I find it amazing how paranoid americans are about the reasonableness and ethics of organisations outside their own country. You need to understand everyone is just the same as everyonelese, we all want to live in peace and get on with our lives and see justice done

Too bad you weren't around to comfort 6 million Jews in Germany, 30 million Christians and others in Russia, and 66 million Chinese under Chairman Mao. All murdered.

I agree if common people were allowed to associate, they would problbly get along well together.

Governments and dictators are another matter.

galveston
Aug 5, 2010, 01:15 PM
The history of Interpol is troubling.
Presidents of Interpol:
1938 - 1940 Gestapo Colonel Otto Steinhaust

1940 - 1942 Gruppenfuhrer Reinhard Heydrich. He chaired the 1942 Wannsee Conference where plans were made to deport and exterminate all Jews in German occupied territory.

1942 - End of WW 2, Ernst Kaltenbrunner. He was executed for war crimes in 1946.

(This silly program will not let me use Paul's last name. It is *ickopf)

Paul ****opf was Pres of Interpol as late as 1972. He trained in 1939 for the SD (Sicherheitsdienst)

(Info taken from Aug. 2010 issue of Newswatch Magazine)

Obama has surrounded himself with known sundry "60's" Communists/revolutionaries, and now gives carte blanch to an orginazation with the history of Interpol.

Maybe we should ALL be suspicious of his intentions.

paraclete
Aug 5, 2010, 04:28 PM
The history of Interpol is troubling.
Presidents of Interpol:
1938 - 1940 Gestapo Colonel Otto Steinhaust

1940 - 1942 Gruppenfuhrer Reinhard Heydrich. He chaired the 1942 Wannsee Conference where plans were made to deport and exterminate all Jews in German occupied territory.

1942 - End of WW 2, Ernst Kaltenbrunner. He was executed for war crimes in 1946.

(This silly program will not let me use Paul's last name. It is *ickopf)

Paul ****opf was Pres of Interpol as late as 1972. He trained in 1939 for the SD (Sicherheitsdienst)

(Info taken from Aug. 2010 issue of Newswatch Magazine)

Obama has surrounded himself with known sundry "60's" Communists/revolutionaries, and now gives carte blanch to an orginazation with the history of Interpol.

Maybe we should ALL be suspicious of his intentions.

I see, guilt by association. Now , because my father was beaten up by communists in the 1950's, I am a right wing extremist. What is the history of interpol in recent times? I think your own FBI has a dubious history in the early days, it's leadership certainly does.

galveston
Aug 7, 2010, 04:37 PM
Well, Clete, if you want to ignore those roots, that is your business, but you are sidestepping the main issue here.

Obama has apparently removed all oversight from this police agency, allowing it to operate totally without US controls on OUR SOIL and that is both scary and totally WRONG.

I do believe that both the FBI and CIA have to answer to Congress from time to time, plus, their head officers are appointed by the Pres.

Not so with Interpol.

tomder55
Aug 7, 2010, 06:27 PM
Obama has apparently removed all oversight from this police agency, allowing it to operate totally without US controls on OUR SOIL and that is both scary and totally WRONG.

And this is a completely false urban legend.

The President continued an initiative began by President Reagan to give the agency INTERPOL the same privilages that any other International Organization has under the 'International Organizations Immunities act of 1945 '.
There are 75 organizations in the US covered by the International Organizations Immunities Act .INTERPOL is but one of them.This is not a blanket immunity to act with impunity in the country. It doesn't even come close to the level of immunities the diplomat corp has.

Now there may be a legit debate about if we should allow any International organization to have limited immunities inside the US. You would have to change the decisions of every President since Truman to change that reality .
But INTERPOL I believe is one of the least of our worries.

Before Obama revised Reagan's Executive order 12425(which had previously been amended by Clintoon) ,INTERPOL was operating an office in the Dept of Justice since 2004 . The US and INTERPOL have worked closely on a number of different investigations and will do so in the future.

albear
Aug 7, 2010, 06:36 PM
Does this plan involve a rounhouse kick?