Lurch, aka John Kerry, just bought a $7 million dollar yacht (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html). As if that isn't pretentious and audacious enough, he's parking it in Rhode Island and avoiding roughly half a million in taxes to the cash strapped state he represents. Not intentionally though (wink, wink, nudge, nudge):


Kerry spokesman David Wade said Friday the boat is being kept at Newport Shipyard not to evade taxes, but "for long-term maintenance, upkeep and charter purposes."

Half a million in taxes, what's that, 1666 weeks of unemployment benefits? 33 weeks for 50 people? Good to know he's feeling our pain.

It's getting to a point that hypocrisy is shrugged off as 'aint no big thang'. Yes Michelle said people should vacation in the gulf .So the 1st family vacationed in the gulf... the Gulf of Maine that is. And where did they stay? At a national park almost completely donated to the country by those greedy capitalists they despise. (I believe they even hiked on 'Cadillac Mountain' )

When you mentioned Lurch at 1st I thought you were going to bring up his and Reid's presser to announce their latest attempt at " comprehensive " energy reform (they no longer call it an environment or global warming bill) .

They all but admitted that it would be impossible to pass an ambitious bill loaded with cap and tax to combat global warming provisions before they break for the summer recess and the campaign season.

They therefore are going for a more modest version of the bill that will be ripe with things that will be difficult for the Republicans to stonewall. There will be punitive measures for BP "and their ilk" ;reforms giving the government the power to guarantee that never again will 'big oil' spill a drop of crude in our waters ,probably add additional funding for windmills, subsidies for renewable fuels ,and perhaps make modest changes to Café standards. If the Republicans try a filibuster they will be labeled as being in bed with the oil industry.

The House of Representatives have already passed their version of cap and tax ,and Pelosi took a lot of heat from the rank and file because she did a bunch of arm twisting only to see the Senate Dems delay and not get the job done... a whole lot of broken arms and all they got in return was angry constitutents at Tea Parties and Town Hall meetings.

But I know the Democrat game plan ,because they did essentially the same thing for ObamaCare . The Senate passes a vanilla version of a bill the House has already passed. Then in conference sometime after the November elections ,the lame ducks will pass something close to the House version of the bill.

This is the type of democratic governance we are trying to teach the Afghans . Does anyone wonder why it is such a hard sell ?

Re the yacht . If I register my car in NY but park it in NJ I still have to pay NY registration fees and insurance rates and all associated taxes . If I shop in the NJ malls theoretically NY can go after me for lost sales taxes.

I really don't understand this . If he is registered in RI then wouldn't he have to establish residency ?And if he was a resident of RI .how could he be the Mass Senator ?

I really don't understand this . If he is registered in RI then wouldn't he have to establish residency ?And if he was a resident of RI .how could he be the Mass Senator ?

Good question, but when you're the wealthiest congressman it probably wouldn't be unusual to have some sort of residence in RI also. I know if I had an address in NM I could register my vehicles cheaper there.

What's funny is watching the left playing the role of apologist on this. Instead of clamoring to close his loophole they seem to be saying "so what" - and then running right back to whining about rich, insensitive Republicans.

Re: the "energy bill," I noticed Harry Reid whining that he couldn't get one Republican vote... just like I noticed Obama blaming the media for him throwing Sherrod under the bus.

Today he threw Vilsack under the bus.

I can't think of a better political theme song ever than "Under My Bus." Do they have t-shirts?

What is this guy an excellent example of, the person you don't want leading you? Or perhaps it is that he is an excellent example of a hypocrite

I don't believe I'm allowed to engage the sarcasm font in the title.

what is this guy an excellant example of, the person you don't want leading you? or perhaps it is that he is an excellant example of a hypocriteHello:

If he's avoiding taxes, he's doing what he should do. What? Are you saying that Republicans arrange their finances so as to pay the MAXIMUM amount? Really?

excon

Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.

Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.Hello again, Steve:

So, you want this thread to be about congressmen who set bad examples...

Would that be like Republican, born again Christian, right wing zealots who speak about the sanctity of marriage out of ONE side of their mouth, all the while schtupping their empoyee's WIFE, or the nearest HOOKER? I've even heard of a Republican congressman preying on people in a public restroom??

Yeah, but none of that stuff is as bad as saving your family a cool half a million bucks...

Are THOSE the kind of EXAMPLES you have in mind?? I can play that game. After all, I have a LOT more ammunition than you do! People in glass houses...

excon

Hello again,

While we're talking about right wing scumbags, I cannot leave this conversation without mentioning the name of Andrew Brietbart.

excon

Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.Hello again, Steve:

This is eerily similar to your argument that, because he discovered global warming, Al Gore is a hypocrite because he doesn't drive a smart car.

So, THAT'S your position?? You think Al Gore should RIDE a bicycle, and John Kerry should PAY taxes he isn't required to??

Is THAT the standard you're using to criticize Democrats? Really?? You want Democrats to do really DUMB things?? And, because they DON'T do really DUMB things, they're up for derision?? That's all you got??

Dude!

excon

Hello again,

While we're talking about right wing scumbags, I cannot leave this conversation without mentioning the name of Andrew Brietbart.

excon

I'll see your Andrew Breitbart and call with a Charles Rangel

And of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Republican hypocrites cost no one a dime.

and of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Repubican hypocrites cost no one a dime.

This just struck me as funny. The Left winger talking about social hypocrasies and the Right about fiscal ones. Is this the difference between us in it's most concise form?

and of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Repubican hypocrites cost no one a dime.Since the republican hypocrites are usually involved in pedophilia and homosexuality (after condemning it all their lives) I guess we know where your priorities are: money, money, money... morals be damned.
How did Gore and Kerry pick your pockets again?

Since the republican hypocrites are usually involved in pedophilia and homosexuality

My turn to call BS. Cite examples and frequency.

Edit: or define your term "usually."

My turn to call BS. Cite examples and frequency.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to
possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three
years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond
had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during
the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting
to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an
inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at
the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child
porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex
crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted
sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working
as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a
16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was
taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual
activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug
LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex
with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the
allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced
to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he
attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of
raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two
years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with
sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Child's pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty
to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest
to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of
child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good
military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having
sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six
years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A.
Dasen Sr. was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and
several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past
decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of
young women.

Okay, I'll see your jones report and add wikipedia:

List of Democrat Sex Scandals
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President John Kennedy had a known affair with actress Jayne Mansfield, and was ignored by the popular media.

President John Kennedy had a known affair with actress Marilyn Monroe, and was ignored by the popular media.

Bill Clinton raped Paula Jones.

Bill Clinton got blown by Monica Lewinsky.

Gavin Newsome, Mayor of San Fransisco had an affair with his best friend's wife, while Newsome was separated from his.

Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.


Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank's residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane's case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds's case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives admitted to the charges and the committee recommended reprimand for the two.


Congressman Mel Reynolds, the Democrat convicted of 12 charges, including sex with 16-year-old Beverly Heard and asking her to take pornographic photographs of a 15-year old, was indicted on August 21, 1994. ABC, the current scourge of congressional teen-sex scandals, reported nothing – until Reynolds was convicted a year later, on August 23, 1995. In fact, on May 13, 1994, ABC featured Reynolds in a "Person of the Week" speaking out in favor of two Chicago ladies fighting child molesters

Note I attribute my sources so you can vet them. I don't hide the liberal Andrew Breitbart by not citing a source.

This all really pointless isn't it. No one has aver changed sides by reading this drivel. I always wonder what the reasoning is behing people what start these threads.


I don't hide the liberal Andrew Breitbart by not citing a source.Saying he is a liberal is like Fox "mistakenly" adding the Democrat "D" in front of Republicans caught in scandals. LOL!

and of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Repubican hypocrites cost no one a dime.Hello again, tom:

Yes, it's true. Republican hypocrisy doesn't cost us money. It shatters lives... Preaching moral purity for others, while engaging in moral depravity for yourself, HAS resulted in the denial of civil rights to a significant segment of our population.

Cheating for money, I understand. Cheating for the sake of screwing your fellow citizen, I don't.

excon

Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.

So you expect politicians to be examples, get a life!

After all, I have a LOT more ammunition than you do! People in glass houses....

Having more ammo is certainly debatable, but if you weren't so busy baiting us you'd admit you already know I have no use for hypocrites on either side.

you already know I have no use for hypocrites on either side.Hello again, Steve:

So, who brought it up?

excon

Saying he is a liberal is like Fox "mistakenly" adding the Democrat "D" in front of Republicans caught in scandals. LOL!

You misunderstand me. Alex Jones is the liberal version of Breitbart, just like Arianna Huffington is the liberal Matt Drudge.

... but if you weren't so busy baiting us you'd admit you already know I have no use for hypocrites on either side.Dude, you're the one who starts all these threads!!

You misunderstand me. Alex Jones is the liberal version of Breitbart, just like Arianna Huffington is the liberal Matt Drudge.
I have no use for Jones either, we're in agreement there but that wasn't my source. Feel free to Google any of those people in my post.

This all really pointless isn't it. No one has aver changed sides by reading this drivel. I always wonder what the reasoning is behing people what start these threads.

You should note oh source monitor, that my source is the Huffington Post, which should be right up your alley. Oh, and did you know that Arianna hired Breitbart to help her start the site?

Dude, you're the one who starts all these threads!!!!

Except for those about Fox News.

Guess who just joined Fox News? (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/guess-who-just-joined-fox-news-434432.html)

Ah Fox News, you never cease to amaze (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/ah-fox-news-you-never-cease-amaze-265459.html)

FOX News becoming international laughingstock (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/fox-news-becoming-international-laughingstock-servant-republican-party-154061.html)

Employees Expose FOX NEWS (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/television/employees-expose-fox-news-143448.html)

Hello again, Steve:

So, who brought it up?

And it this juncture we're discussing this particular hypocrite. We can discuss Rangel, too if you like. I mentioned him to you 2 days ago (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/exconvict-working-beside-you-490416-4.html#post2447264) to no response.

You should note oh source monitor, that my source is the Huffington Post, which should be right up your alley. Oh, and did you know that Arianna hired Breitbart to help her start the site?Did I say anything at all about sources? Why do you quote me and make a answer based on nothing that you quoted? Oh I know, it's because you want to change the discussion.

Except for those about Fox News.Do you still think Fox News is Fair and Balanced? LOL!

Well done finding 4 threads in my 6 years! In your case it's 10 pages worth:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=85505&starteronly=1

Kerry is planning on sailing to Cambodia.I wonder why he didn't name the sloop Theresa ?

Hello again, tom:

That gol darn rich SOB using his own assets. He should be ashamed of himself... But, you Republicans think only Republicans should enjoy their money. I don't know why.

excon

I don't know about the Republicans... but I think someone who creams in his pants at the thought of increasing taxes on other peoples money should probably not attempt to so arrogantly show his contempt of the tax system he and his cronies champion.

Did I say anything at all about sources?

Uh, you said "I always wonder what the reasoning is behing people what start these threads." Huffpo raised the issue and started a thread about it, I just brought it over here.


Oh I know, it's because you want to change the discussion.

Nope, I'm fine with staying on the subject of liberal hypocrites.

Ok guys, many many moons ago I was a yacht broker in Ft. Lauderdale and sold yachts or boats or whatever. You all seemed to miss the "boat" on this one. Notice where it says "charter" the boat out. Duh. Kerry is going to make his $7M yacht a charter boat to avoid all kinds of taxes and have essentially a "free" boat for him to cruise around in. Yard fees, dockage, maintenance etc on a yacht that big would cost a small fortune out of his personal pocket if he didn't incorporate this into a business setting. This way he can essentially "write off" just about ALL of the damned boat cost and still "own" a nice ride. I'll wager that this "charter boat biz" actually "costs" money to run and he ends up paying zero taxes on that "business".

Ain't it grand that we have such wonderful tax dodges as our fine elected officials? Bet his attorney worked overtime dreaming up this scheme to "save" Kerry some hard earned (joke here please) money.

Also, NK, yes, it's well known that the Repubs are slime but then so are the Dems. It seems that only the "slimes" get elected in this country. What's wrong with that? Everything. But no one wants to run for office that is decent and nonblackmailable. At least they don't get into the primaries. Wonder why? Probably because they can't be blackmailed and bought off. But then, who would vote for an upstanding, honest citizen? Lots of people would but unfortunately their votes won't count due to all the voter fraud and the election box rigging going on with the electronic voting machines.

But why a sloop ? I understand why he wouldn't purchase a Yankeee Clipper out of misguided loyalty to the Red Sox .But you would think a Bhramin would purchase a Boston Whaler..

Kerry is planning on sailing to Cambodia.I wonder why he didn't name the sloop Theresa ?

How do you sail to cambodia, take a swift boat up the mekong?

A purple heart for the effort .

Ok guys, many many moons ago I was a yacht broker in Ft. Lauderdale and sold yachts or boats or whatever. You all seemed to miss the "boat" on this one. Notice where it says "charter" the boat out. Duh. Kerry is going to make his $7M yacht a charter boat to avoid all kinds of taxes and have essentially a "free" boat for him to cruise around in. Yard fees, dockage, maintenance etc on a yacht that big would cost a small fortune out of his personal pocket if he didn't incorporate this into a business setting. This way he can essentially "write off" just about ALL of the damned boat cost and still "own" a nice ride. I'll wager that this "charter boat biz" actually "costs" money to run and he ends up paying zero taxes on that "business".

Ain't it grand that we have such wonderful tax dodges as our fine elected officials? Bet his attorney worked overtime dreaming up this scheme to "save" Kerry some hard earned (joke here please) money.


Excellent point. When you think about it from a business standpoint then you have someone who outsourced to New Zealand ,and moved a business out of his state for tax reasons. Does he not know how important the boat building business is to the region he represents ? He's a Brahmin traitor who doesn't care a lick about job creation.

"Darn, that would have been a wonderful job for a Maine builder," said Jane Wellehan, president of the trade group Maine Built Boats. "If someone comes to build a $7 million boat that would employ half the population of some towns for a year or two. Boat building is such a critical component of our coastal economy."

Gregory Egan, who owns the Crosby Yacht Yard in Osterville, said Bay State boat builders must feel cut adrift by Kerry as well.

"I'm confident that anything constructed in New Zealand could be constructed here in the state," he said. "From a political perspective, it seems to me he could have thought twice about that one."

Steve Capozzola, media director for the Alliance for American Manufacturing, was surprised at Kerry's move. House Democrats are pushing legislation to boost American manufacturing jobs.

"It's ironic that he'd be buying a foreign-made boat when the House Democrats are considering a number of measures to revitalize American manufacturing," he said.
Political shipwreck - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100725political_shipwreck_boat_builders_john_ker ry_could_have_created_jobs_in_us/)

Perfectly sound business practices however which only doubly reinforce Steve's charge of hypocrisy and duplicity.

I can see it now... Kerry... "I was for the luxury tax before I was against it " ..

Also you have to wonder about the carbon footprint to build and run a luxury yacht.

Also you have to wonder about the carbon footprint to build and run a luxury yacht.

He's got a plan for that, too (http://www.rollcall.com/features/Climate_Energy/energy_environment/48601-1.html). A perfect time to distract from his own carbon footprint and push for cap and tax again.

Reconciliation during the lame duck session. I'm beginning the agree with Clete .

I propose an Amendment .The day of the election should be the last day the loser serves. This lame duck session was the product of an 18th century reality... It took months to travel.

Today a new Congress could easily be sworn in immediately after an election.

They're also considering ramming card check and God knows what else through in a lame duck session. I'm all for your amendment.

Hello again, Steve:

In that same vein, you remember Obama saying all that stuff about NOT prosecuting the previous administration? You know, "looking forward and not backward"? When the Republicans take over the house, if they do, they're going to try to impeach Obama, for sure. If you liked Ken Starr, you're going to LOVE Michelle Bachman.

Bachmann was asked "how do you feel about the chances for like a little oversight and a little accountability now that the Republicans will have the subpoena power - how aggressive do you think..."

"Oh, I think that's all we should do," Bachmann said. "I think that all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another."

Given that THAT is coming, for SURE, the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal should be put on trial - TODAY.

excon

What I'm lookig for is a Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate national security leaks to the Washington Compost and Wiki.Do you think Eric Holder will appoint one ? Do you think Leon Panetta will insist ?

Good call again, tom. As for Bachman's threat, you don't recall the Democrats' 2006 "Republican culture of corruption" campaign and what they did as soon as they gained control of Congress?

As for Bachman's threat, you don't recall the Democrats' 2006 "Republican culture of corruption" campaign and what they did as soon as they gained control of Congress?Hello again, Steve:

No, I was too young back then.

excon

No, I was too young back then.

LOL, as was I when the government launched the war on drugs. I was 10, which is why I "didn't make a peep about that."

Reconciliation during the lame duck session. I'm beginning the agree with Clete .

I propose an Amendment .The day of the election should be the last day the loser serves. This lame duck session was the product of an 18th century reality.... It took months to travel.

Today a new Congress could easily be sworn in immediately after an election.

You know, Tom, that is a reality where I live, when you're out, you're out. Perhaps they weren't as enlightened as they would have us believe in the eighteenth century

I think it was due to the reality that it took a representative a long time to travel to Washington by horse and carriage. It has gotten better .Initially there was a 4 month gap and the states set the election date. But the Constitution made provisions for Congress to set a uniform date.(art 1 sec 4 clause1).They subsequently set the date as the Tuesday following the first Monday in November.

The lame duck session is also mandated in the Constitution . But ,that was because there was the gap until March. Congress was required to meet the 1st day of December to do housekeeping .(art 1 sec 4 clause 2).

But ,since travel and communications got better ,the country adopted the 20th Amendment to deal with the new reality.

It set the beginning of the term on the 3rd day in January. It has been generally understood that the old Congress would not do earth shaking legislation while in the lame duck. But if this Congress is going to break that trust then it's time to further refined the Constitution.

You say Perhaps they weren't as enlightened as they would have us believe in the eighteenth century. I say they were very enlightened because they saw there would be a need to amend the Constitution ,and they made provisions for it.

You say Perhaps they weren't as enlightened as they would have us believe in the eighteenth century. I say they were very enlightened because they saw there would be a need to amend the Constitution ,and they made provisions for it.

That's not enlightment, Tom, that's reality, I guess you missed the pun. Our constitution has provisions for amendment too but the fellows who constructed it made sure that it had to be an absolute certainty to get up. It was easier for us we didn't have preexistent states and we haven't really added any states, being comprised of the entire continent at federation. I expect in another hundred years we will be looking at something somewhat dated but very hard to amend

Here's another good example...

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ramirez-view.jpg

Kerry STILL has not paid his taxes on the yacht.
John Kerry’s bucks stop where? - BostonHerald.com (http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1294161)

Kerry STILL has not paid his taxes on the yacht.
John Kerry’s bucks stop where? - BostonHerald.com (http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1294161)

And so? Who pays taxes they don't have too. We are all busy running around concerning ourselves about who pays taxes and who doesn't. I thought we had an elected government to take care of those concerns.

Kerry is part of that elected government . Last I heard ,he supports us paying more taxes.

Kerry is part of that elected government . Last I heard ,he supports us paying more taxes.
Citation?