Hello:

Is it our freedoms?? Is it democracy?? Is it our way of life? Does their religion compel them to kill infidels? Nahhhh. It ain't NONE of those. We been lied to. The terrorists TELL us what it is. We should listen. By the way, it's the same thing I've been telling you.

Yesterday, Faisal Shahzad plead guilty to attempting to detonate a car bomb in Times Square. This Pakistani-American Muslim explained why he transformed from a financial analyst living a law abiding, middle class American life into a terrorist. "If the United States does not get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries controlled by Muslims, we will be attacking U.S.... Americans only care about their people, but they don't care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die".

When the federal Judge presiding over his case asked him why he would be willing to kill civilians who have nothing to do with those actions, he replied, "Well, the people select the government. We consider them all the same".

When the Judge interrupted him to ask whether that includes children who might have been killed by the bomb he planted and whether he first looked around to see if there were children nearby, Shahzad replied, "Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don't see children, they don't see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. It's a war, and in war, they kill people. They're killing all Muslims. I am part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people. And, on behalf of that, I'm avenging the attack."

I don't know why we don't listen.

excon

"blame America first"

They are the victims we are the evil oppressors of the world .

Don't forget we also collude in the Israeli occupation.

We are far worse than the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.

I expect that type of perspective from a jihadists . I find it harder to understand from an American.

They are the victims we are the evil oppressors of the world .Hello again, tom:

19 Muslims attacked us, and killed 3,000 Americans... We attacked them and killed hundreds of thousands of them. We occupy their countries and fire guided bombs from drones at them. We tortured them, and we captured them from all over the world so that we could cage them in Gitmo and Bagram, with NO trial, and NO charges, FOREVER.

On balance, I'd say, yeah, we ARE the evil oppressors of the world.

It's one thing to argue that we should continue to do these things for geopolitical gain, even it means incurring terrorist attacks and the endless civil liberty abridgments they engender. As amoral as that is, at least it's a cogent thought. But to pretend that terrorism simply occurs in a vacuum, that it's mystifying why it happens, that it has NOTHING to do with OUR actions in the Muslim world, requires a healthy dose of self delusion.

excon

Spoken like a jihadist propagandist. They were also justified to attack us according to the OBL Fatwah because we defended the holy land against invasion by Saddam and remained there at the request of the recognized rulers of the land ;liberated the Kuwaitis from occupation by the same dictator who had visions of making the Gulf an Iranian lake.
For some good measure we freed oppressed Muslims in the Balkans from ethnic cleansing by Christian Serbs.

When we attacked Afghanistan we freed them from a vicious regime that brutalized the population far worse than you imagine we do. By the way ;why did the Taliban ;the jihadist allies of AQ hate their own people ? Were the Afghani women occupying a foreign land ?

For a decade before 2001 we defended ethnic Kurds and Shia from a ruler who would've ethnically cleansed his nation of all of them if he had his way. Iraq is now ruled by elected representatives of the people .We are not occupying their lands at all.
You presume that force used against an attack should be proportionally . Was that how we fought WWII ? Did we stop killing Japanese after 1500 ? No ;we kept on killing them until they were no longer a threat.

For the record I can easily recite the Japanese greviences against us . In their minds there was merit and a causus belli in attacking us also. I can see the war charges if we tried to execute that war now... We deserve it because we tried to cut off their energy supply ...
We are war criminals for levelling their towns and terrorizing their populations .

So believe we are the evil oppressors because in your looking glass world we are.

So tom, you guys NEVER are in the wrong? 'cause that's kind of what I get from your posts.

I don't know why we don't listen.

To what, the rantings of hate-filled crazed terrorists that think they'll be rewarded with 72 virgins if they blow themselves up and a few others with them? I don't know :rolleyes:

Ex is right, you don't listen. The problem here is inappropriate response, the we will bomb you back to the stone age attitude, without realising that these people have hardly risen out of the stone age. The jihadists have a seventh century mentality, something we left behind a long time ago, but within that mentality is no compromise, the more you bomb them the harder they become and they see what is happening as religious persecution because for the Muslim there is no difference between religion and life. The way to stop this is disengagement, not revenge. Stop bombing them and stop "helping" them.

Clete means appeasement and isolation . He'll sing another tune when they are at the gates of Vienna... oops I mean Canaberra

Stop bombing them and stop "helping" them.

Oh Pollyanna, do you really think leaving them alone will change their views one whit? You've been reading their propaganda again.

The likeliest outcome of Western disengagement in the Near East will be another Mongol invasion, except this time it will be with yuons and management consultants instead of cavalry and horse-archers.

Cats great link in your signature .

Oh Pollyanna, do you really think leaving them alone will change their views one whit? You've been reading their propaganda again.

The likeliest outcome of Western disengagement in the Near East will be another Mongol invasion, except this time it will be with yuons and management consultants instead of cavalry and horse-archers.

I don't seek to change their view, that's your problem, you think everyone should think like you do, should be brought into a glorious capitalist exploitative democracy and work their little heart out for the mighty buck.

There will be no mongol invasion but there might be a chinese invasion. You will not stem it by fighting Taliban in the backwoods of central Asia. There is a lot to be learned from the mongol invasions because they were about trade embargoes and lording it over lesser mortals

Cats great link in your signature .

Anything you can do for the Greens can help.

Some Islamic voices in America:


"We must implement Islam as a totality (in which) Allah controls every place... the home, the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress." -Imam Amir-Abdel Malik-Ali: Masjid Al Islam mosque, Oakland, CA

"The first principle is that terrorism, and terrorism alone, is the path to liberation. The second principle is that "settlement is decided by the sword." -Imam Fawaz Damra: Former Imam in the Cleveland, Ohio area

"If you don't give us justice. If you don't give us equality. If you don't give us our share of America. If you don't stay out of our way and leave us alone, we're gonna burn America down." -Imam Abdul Alim Musa: Al Masjid mosque, Washington, D.C.

"We must not forget that Allah's rules have to be established in all lands..." -Imam Muzammil Siddiqi: Islamic Society of North America

"Now, all our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public ... Only carrying arms will do this task." -Imam Muhammad Al-Asi: Former Imam at the Washington, D.C. Islamic Center

"A Muslim must try his best to abide by the rulings of Sharia (Islamic law) whenever possible as much as he can. He should not allow himself to be liable to those western laws that contradict the clear-cut Islamic rulings." -Imam Omar Shahin: Tucson, Arizona Islamic Center; President, North American Imams Federation; spokesman for the six 'Flying Imams'

"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only thing left will be Islam." On stoning women: "If Allah says stone them to death ... then you stone them to death, because it's the obedience of Allah and his messenger ... nothing personal." -Imam Siraj Wahhaj: Masjid Al-Taqwa mosque. Brooklyn, N.Y

"Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it is against the orders and ordainments of Allah." -Imam Zaid Shakir: Former Muslim Chaplain at Yale University

"The 9/11 hijackers should be honored as martyrs." -Imam Warith Deen Umar: Former Muslim Chaplain, New York Prisons

Are you listening?

Are you listening?

I have been listening for a long time, I said in 2001 that Muslims represented a fifth column in any country they had established themselves in, but I was told I was wrong, couldn't happen, they are nice people, etc. You see now, but it is too late, like us you made the mistake of allowing them to immigrate into your country, but you see despite outward appearances they didn't integrate. They held on to their culture and now they are telling you it is you who must change to make way for them.

Totally arrogant. I say send them back to the glorious Ummah from which they come, let them eat sand and flies as is their tradition. Let them take their criminal attitudes of intolerance with them. May a thousand camels, etc, etc

I just have one question Ex, what would you suggest we (I say we because our Canadian Soldiers are dying over there too) do?

I don't support this war, but I do support our troops. I don't think we have any business over there, I don't fully understand why we are there. Although I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I am not so stupid to think that there will be an end any time soon. But what would you suggest they do?

But what would you suggest they do?Hello Bella:

Come home.

excon

I agree. 100% agree. Do you think that will stop the bombings in America?

I agree. 100% agree. do you think that will stop the bombings in America?Hello again, Bella:

It'll go a long ways toward stopping it. But, there's more to do.

excon

And what is that? What else?

And what is that? What else?

You should know that they probably don't hate canadians or australians but they do hate americans so what the americans have to do is stop interfering in their politics. You can't call an ally corrupt and start telling them how their country should be run. It might be so but it is arrogant to say so. The Afghans don't want the americans to help, they want them to go home. As bad as the Taliban might be they are their neighbours from down the street.

Have you noticed that this current thrust is tied up with local governance and it is delayed because that part isn't in place. These people don't want someone in Kabul telling them what to do anymore than they want BO in Washington telling Kazhai in Kabul what to do. Afghanistan isn't a unified nation. It's tribal. It is a great disrespect to come and push the local chief aside

So the americans go home and stay home and take their mates with them

I agree Paraclete, but our Canadian peacekeepers are getting blown up as well. Of course if America pulled out, we wouldn't need to be there keeping the peace now would we?

I agree Paraclete, but our Canadian peacekeepers are getting blown up as well. Of course if America pulled out, we wouldn't need to be there keeping the peace now would we?

I don't know how you have the idea you are there in a peacekeeping role. You are not there to keep two sides apart. You are part of the forces fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda and that is why your forces are being killed, they are the enemy to the Taliban, not some neutral UN chaps who happened to get in the way. That idea is about as far out as that aurora in your name

It is no wonder that this whole thing is screwed up politically when people don't understand what is going on

Well pardon me. Sorry that I was under that impression seeing as the soldiers are called PEACEKEEPERS... hmm weird how I would have thought that eh? Oh P.S I have a few family members who are over there as we speak. Right.

Oh and maybe you could try something that is so obviously foreign to you, instead of being a rude Jerk, you could try educating.

AB

Canada is there because they are part of NATO and NATO has made a commitment to the Afghan mission in 2002 . It is not technically a "peacekeeping mission " because those are usually orchestrated by the UN . They are part of what NATO calls the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) ;and in that name ,it's mission is defined .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_role_in_the_Afghanistan_War

When Clete says You are part of the forces fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda and that is why your forces are being killed, they are the enemy to the Taliban ,what he means is that the Taliban and AQ are enemies to the internal security of the nation of Afghanistan and would love to overthrow the country and return things to ante-bellum where the brutal Taliban controlled the country ,terrorized the people ,and AQ ran terrorist training camps with the approval of the Taliban . For what it is worth ,in my opinion ,your family members serving there are performing a noble and worthy role.

Excon says in another posting that there are only a couple hundred AQ in Afghanistan completely ignoring the reason why they no longer have a base of operation in the country. When we withdraw (and we will soon because our leaders don't have the heart for this mission) the Taliban will return and AQ most likely will as well.

Thank you Tomder. I really appreciate that info. Admittedly I have not been playing as close of attention as I should.I was wrong, and now I know better. It breaks my heart hearing the stories and as much as I try I can not understand the reasoning behind (us) being there. I know that is no excuse.

A little bit of education goes a long way, again; I thank you for this information.

Thank you Tomder. I really appreciate that info. Admittedly I have not been playing as close of attention as I should.I was wrong, and now I know better. It breaks my heart hearing the stories and as much as I try I can not understand the reasoning behind (us) being there. I know that is no excuse.

A little bit of education goes a long way, again; I thank you for this information.I know how you feel, I live near one of the largest bases in Canada and work with some of the wives. It's just a matter of time before I work with a widow. I know that army life would never be for me.

Excon says in another posting that there are only a couple hundred AQ in Afghanistan completely ignoring the reason why they no longer have a base of operation in the country. When we withdraw (and we will soon because our leaders don't have the heart for this mission) the Taliban will return and AQ most likely will as well.Hello tom and Bella:

Let's say you had a nice terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Then the US came in and threw you out. So, you set up nice terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Somalia, and you put one up in Yemen too...

A few years later the US decides to leave Afghanistan... Would you go back? Probably not. Why would you? You've got nice terrorists training camps all over now. You don't need Afghanistan...

But, the wingers think they need to keep on making war in Afghanistan to keep AQ out. Makes NO SENSE to me.

excon

I'm not sure if you are familiar with Oromocto, but my father was posted there, worst 2 years of my life. Not the way you want the men and women coming home. Thanks NK.

Hello tom and Bella:

Let's say you had a nice terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Then the US came in and threw you out. So you set up nice terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Somalia, and you put one up in Yemen too... So, a few years later the US decides to leave Afghanistan... Would you go back? Probably not. Why would you? You've got nice terrorists training camps all over now. You don't need Afghanistan...

But, the wingers think they need to keep on making war in Afghanistan to keep AQ out. Makes NO SENSE to me.

excon

Sounds like it could be a vicious cycle if no one learns from what is happening in Afghanistan.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with Oromocto, but my father was posted there, worst 2 years of my life. Not the way you want the men and women coming home. Thanks NK.
I'm very, very, familiar with Oromocto. ;)

Hello tom and Bella:

Let's say you had a nice terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Then the US came in and threw you out. So, you set up nice terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Somalia, and you put one up in Yemen too...

A few years later the US decides to leave Afghanistan... Would you go back? Probably not. Why would you? You've got nice terrorists training camps all over now. You don't need Afghanistan...

But, the wingers think they need to keep on making war in Afghanistan to keep AQ out. Makes NO SENSE to me.

excon

Let's dissect this a little . In Afghanistan they had bases with the approval of the central government . Then they were chased out and we have tried to support a central government that would not permit them to use Afghanistan as a base of support.

They moved on to areas in Yemen ,Somalia ,and Pakistan that are essentially lawless outlands that the central governments in those nations do not control (and in the case of Somalia I am not sure there is a controlling national government at all. ) While they are in these areas the US and allies have kept them under constant pressure with air strikes that are killing their leadership and disrupting their organizational control . Yes they've adapted to some degree and have decentralized the organization . But as a result they are unable to coordinate strikes like the 9-11 attacks and the twin Embassy bombings.

Now when we leave why would they return to a nation that welcomes them ,offers them sanctuary ,and allows them the space and time for central command and control ? Duh .

Let's dissect this a little .

Now when we leave why would they return to a nation that welcomes them ,offers them sanctuary ,and allows them the space and time for central command and control ? Duh .Hello again, tom:

It depends on what you think AQ's motivation is. If it's to continually pack up and move, then they might go back. But, if it's to attack the US, they can do that very nicely from Somalia or Yemen, or Pakistan as was recently demonstrated.

The idea that we could conquer Afghanistan, the most backwards country in the world, and make it over in our image, so that they'd actually KEEP AQ out, is delusional. Fighting to keep Al Quaida AWAY from some place makes no sense to me - unless we plan to stay there FOREVER keeping people out...

excon

The idea that we could conquer Afghanistan, the most backwards country in the world, and make it over in our image, so that they'd actually KEEP AQ out, is delusional.

excon

I agree with you ex this whole thing has become delusional, but the position is you can't just leave or a whole lot of people might get killed in the evacuation. The British found retreat from Afghanistan very difficult, so did the Russians, and I expect nothing different this time round. So the idea is to make a big enough didn't in the enemy that attacks will be minimal during withdrawal. Last plane out could have a lot of holes in it

the British found retreat from Afghanistan very difficult

The British contingent got massacred .But General McChrystal is no General Elphinstone.

Back to the OP on why they hate us and why we don't listen, more Muslim voices...


“As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can’t be ruled by others. Allah’s law can’t be under human law. Allah’s law must stand above human law. All laws must be under Islamic law. This is what the infidels fail to recognize, that’s what America doesn’t like to see.” -Abu Bakar Bashir

“Muslims should consider with care the verses on loyalty, faith and jihad. They should sever any relations with the Jews and the Christians . . . whoever befriends Jews and Christians becomes like them, and becomes one of them in their religion and in their infidelity. God, Praise and Glory be to him, indicated in many verses that whoever befriends the infidels becomes one of them.” -Osama bin Laden

“The walls of oppression and humiliation cannot be demolished except in a rain of bullets...the freeman does not surrender leadership to infidels and sinners...without shedding blood no degradation and branding can be removed from the forehead.” -Osama bin Laden

“The Da’wah {preaching of Islam} can spread only through the barrels of the cannons. One will of a martyr is much more efficient and effective than dozens of religious lessons and sermons. This is the first goal of the Jihad. Jihad is not only a military activity. It should be accompanied by a proper Salafi Da’wah and incitement.” -Abu Muhammad al-Hilali

“And may Allah lengthen our days to allow us to infuriate the enemies of Allah, kill them, and strike them by the sword until they either join the religion of Allah or we kill every last one of them. Our model is [the Prophet] Mohammad, who said to the infidels of Qureish, ‘I have brought the slaughter upon you.’” -Abu Hajer

“This is a public statement: Terrorism is part of Islam, and whoever denies it is an Infidel.” -Abd al-Qader bin Abd al-Aziz

“‘Killing Muslims who are acting as a shield is not the most preferable option, but is necessary if you must kill them to get at the enemy. If you do not kill the Muslim shield, the enemy will kill the Muslims anyway.’ . . . ‘restoring the religion is more important than restoring the soul.’ . . . ‘My killing Muslims . . . is defending ourselves. The purpose of this is to defend the whole nation from the enemy.’” -al-Zarqawi

“There is no such thing as an ‘innocent’ kafir (unbeliever)... -al-Muhajiroun

“Thus, Muslims can have only one goal: converting the entire humanity to Islam and ‘effacing the final traces of all other religions, creeds and ideologies.’” -Yussuf al-Ayerri

“We once ruled the world and the day will come when, by god, we will rule the entire world. The day will come when we will rule the United States, the day will come when we will rule Britain, we will rule the whole world, [and all will live in peace and comfort under our rule] except the Jews. The Jews will not live in peace and comfort under our rule. Treachery will keep being their nature throughout history. The day will come when the whole world will rid itself of the Jews. . . .” -Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiras

Are you listening yet?

Speech,

Why are they not trying to convert/assassinate the chinese? Much closer and a larger population.

speech,

Why are they not trying to convert/assassinate the chinese? Much closer and a larger population.

Who says they're not?

Al-Qaeda vows revenge on China over Uighur deaths (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5822791/Al-Qaeda-vows-revenge-on-China-over-Uighur-deaths.html)

Ask the Indians about the jihad. Ask the Philippines . Ask the Christians in Africa or the ME . The only thing they do wrong is occupy the same space.

What did the Taliban do to the Buddha status in Bamyan Afghanistan ? They destroyed Hindu Temples long before the US existed .
The Chinese have jihad insurgencies,so do the Russians .This list of places where jihad wages war is rather large for people who's only concern is American crusaders .

Who says they're not?

Al-Qaeda vows revenge on China over Uighur deaths (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5822791/Al-Qaeda-vows-revenge-on-China-over-Uighur-deaths.html)
Voying something and doing it are two different things. The US wouldn't have a problem if the jihadist simply voyed to get them.

speech,

Why are they not trying to convert/assassinate the chinese? Much closer and a larger population.

A number of reasons
The Chinese were never part of the Ummah
The Chinese keep their Muslim population under tight control
The Chinese have a very different mindset, it is not religion but family that is important to the Chinese
There are Muslims in China but they are minority groups

Voying something and doing it are two different things. The US wouldn't have a problem if the jihadist simply voyed to get them.

I don't know what 'voying' is.

It's a conjugation of the verb va.

I don't know what 'voying' is.Damn, I should have taken that typing course in CEGEP. "Vowing" is what I meant to type.

These quotations from speechless just make me mad... how can they be like this? If they refer to their god as being good, how can they be so cold blooded as to kill, kill and kill again. To me, they are more like crazy people who distort their religion to suit their purpose. From those quotes alone, I'd say that they want to rule the world, not their god, but they themselves.

Why do they need to send people that they trained? Why don't they themselves sacrifice their lives? Why do they still hide, if they have a god with them? I find no faith in there, I find only cowardice, they want other people to do the dirty work, and they claim it to be the saying of their god.

But now, I don't know their religion, their true one, and might not therefore be right about this. I just had to say that.

Period

These quotations from speechless just make me mad... how can they be like this? I just had to say that. PeriodHello Unky:

I'm glad you DID say that.

But, consider this. There is no "they". Steve found a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us. There's 4.5 BILLION Muslims who probably don't.

If I wanted to whip up emotions in what I perceived to BE a religions war, I could find a FEW radical, mean, ugly American Christian people who HATE them, and post it here. But, most of us don't, so I won't.

Nope. I don't know how THEY can be like this. I ALSO don't know, for example, HOW a major Christian leader like Pat Robertson, could blame the earthquake in Haiti, on the Haitions themselves because, he says, they made a compact with the devil... But, HE does blame them. Nope. I don't know HOW he could be like this. But, he IS, and a LOT of Americans think he's right on.

excon

Yes, I understand Exy... I know that such people exist on both sides. The thing is... we are exposed to these muslim people (this part of the muslim people, and that's why I mentioned "their true religion") more than the other people, or people (ie media, politicians, etc) try to make them seem much less 'bad' than these particular muslims. But to be on topic...

I'm sure Firmbeliever will agree that not all muslims are like that, and I agree too. But there are extremists (or really, really mentally ill people) who ruin the image of this religion, and other believers are being hurt because of that.

To me, they are more like crazy people who distort their religion to suit their purpose.

Correct. Radical jihadism is a political movement ,not a religious one.
The treaty of Westphalia established the modern state wilth defined borders system. When the Europeans became colonial powers they exported this system to the world .

But to the jihadi ,there are no state borders in the ummah ;in tha caliphate .The ummah is completely contrary to Western models.

Their war is just as much a war against their own "national leaders" as it is against the infidel. The House of Saud ;Mubarak in Egypt ,the Hashimite rule in Jordan are equally threatened. And it's not only that. Anyone in the borders of the ummah who do not submit to their radical interpretation are under threat.

So you see;when the charge is made that they are mad at us because we occupy their land ,in a way it is a correct charge. The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .

The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .

From what I understand, this means that even if there were no American/Canadian/Australian/etc troops in their 'country' (because there is theorically no borders), everybody on Earth is in their territory... which also means that they'll be making (don't know if it's the right verb) war anyway, as long as we do not conform to their 'religion'.

And so, we are bound to fight or contain them either way.

Curse the one who started all this.

:(

The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .Hello again, tom:

Sooo, Christians DON'T think the same thing? That ISN'T why they send missionary's ALL over the WORLD to convert the heathen masses?? That's NOT why they want to call this country a CHRISTIAN country??

Oh, yes it is!

excon

Hello again, tom:

Sooo, Christians DON'T think the same thing?? That ISN'T why they send missionary's ALL over the WORLD to convert the heathen masses??? That's NOT why they want to call this country a CHRISTIAN country????

Oh, yes it is!

excon

Wait, the people sent to convert the 'heathen masses' were NOT told to kill. They were sent by their own will, to teach the word. It's only up to them if they believe.

Those particular muslims here are forcing what they believe into other people, and are condemning the ones who refuse. There's a huge difference.

But then... it's taking more into religion and christianity...

Christians in the 21st century do not wage war to impose their religion on anyone. Further ;I have not made a blanket statement against Islam . Reread them and you will see my comments are confined to "radical Jihadism" which I made a point to differentiate as a political movement and not a religious one.

But, consider this. There is no "they". Steve found a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us.

Wait, wasn't the whole point of this thread you're questioning why we don't listen to "a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us?" Why yes, I believe it was. In fact, you're exact words were "I dunno why we don't listen." I was just relaying what they're saying to see if you'd listen. I guess not.


There's 4.5 BILLION Muslims who probably don't.

Agreed.


Nope. I don't know how THEY can be like this. I ALSO don't know, for example, HOW a major Christian leader like Pat Robertson, could blame the earthquake in Haiti, on the Haitions themselves...

Well, if that crackpot was threatening to "burn America down" or warning others to "either join the religion ... or we kill every last one of them" I might be more concerned.

Wait, wasn't the whole point of this thread you're questioning why we don't listen to "a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us?" Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

You really should lay out the rules earlier. ;)

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

LMAO! You just cracked me up exy, phew! :p

Now, back on topic.

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

Now THAT made my day Ex. :D

Here's video of the way those ruthless, barbaric Christians go about trying to convert others... and the consequences for doing so.

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The four were arrested (http://www.detnews.com/article/20100623/METRO/6230376/1041/LIFESTYLE04/Christian-ministers-challenge-arrests-at-Arab-fest) for "disorderly conduct" and had their camera confiscated. They were pretty scary, huh?

The christian crusaders are being trained in the US:

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Here's video of the way those ruthless, barbaric Christians go about trying to convert others...and the consequences for doing so. The four were arrested for "disorderly conduct" and had their camera confiscated. They were pretty scary, huh?Hello again, Steve:

I agree. Cops suck!

Over the years, an oft repeated sentiment you've heard from me, is one where I suggest that if you don't look out for the rights of those you disdain, soon your own rights will be at risk. May I remind you that the Bill of Rights has NINE other Amendments besides the First?

When Bush took away your Fifth Amendment rights, I yelled about it. You told me the world is different after 9/11. When Bush took away your Fourth Amendment rights, I screamed about it. You lectured me about national security and patriotism. When he took away your Eighth Amendment rights, you told me how bad the terrorists are, and they don't give us any rights...

Now, your First Amendment rights are under attack... Who's surprised?

excon