My daughter got a letter from her boyfriend while in rehab, telling her she should get some of this "suboxtin", says you won't feel no pain! Is this telling me she is addicted to something?

I'm not sure what suboxtin is, but I found this article and it sounds like it may be what you are talking about... hope this can help

What Is Suboxone Detox? | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/about_5297456_suboxone-detox.html)

Who is in treatment,him or her?

The wording is confusing.

If it's she in treatment, why would you think otherwise that she has an addiction?

If it's him in treatment,he is obviously going through detox and being treated with suboxtin and he might have knowledge about her use of certain products,namely opiates.

It isn't beyond rational thinking that she did drugs with him and vice versa, one doesn't normally date a non user if they are users themselves.Birds of a feather...

Suboxone is just another word for opiates. Somehow the kindly folks who operate the rehabs think that substituting one opiate for another is going to work. If anything they are creating addicts of this new, wonder drug, Suboxone. It's just as addicting, if not more so, than the drug it's being used as a substitution for.

Suboxone (Buprenorphine and Naloxone) is commonly used to treat opiate addiction in the US. Data from other countries indicate that buprenorphine has gained popularity as a heroin substitute and as a primary drug of abuse and that trend is gaining ground in the US, according to Office of Diversion Control. However, Buprenorphine alone and the combination of buprenorphine and naloxone prevent withdrawal symptoms when someone stops taking opioid drugs by producing similar effects to these drugs. Amazing. Hard to argue with that logic. It certainly does. In the same manner that substituting vodka for whiskey will prevent DTs.

I have no idea what the message to your daughter may indicate. Now you have enough information to discuss it with her.

I am a former heroin addict who's been on suboxone for about 7 years so this is perfect for me to answer. Twinkiedotter, you have a right to your opinion, but your wrong. 100% wrong. When used properly, and combined with traditional rehabilitation. If not used properly then maybe your comment has... 25% validity to it. Suboxone is not a term for opiates obviously. It is a combination of buprenorphine and Naloxone. Buprenorphine is a synethetic opoid itself, so yes in a way it is a drug similar to the drug's it helps you get off, but there's much more to it. Naloxone is an opiate blocker, to help prevent the user from relapsing because it blocks the effects of opiates when used while taking suboxone ( which has a super long half life so it's function is important ). The amount of naloxone though is very small and if someone wanted to, if you shoot enough heroin you'll break through the naloxone " barrier ". Anyone whom develops an addiction to opiates, and has withdrawl symptons that are effecting their lives, are a good candidate for suboxone ( assuming no serious health issues). The buprenorphine binds to your brain's mu opoid receptors, but does not flood them the way a full opoid such as heroin would. Therefore its just enough so you stop having withdrawal symptoms, and can begin the long road to recovery. Some say its replacing one drug with another, yes it is but... Suboxone does not make you " high ", yes the first dose or two might give you a small buzz but I do not feel a thing from taking mine. Unfortunately, opiate addiction is so physically hard to kick that yes in a lot of cases you need to replace one drug with another to get better. The suboxone program rules are basically like a rehab, the doctor prescribing will require you to enter an outpatient program, meetings, and be subject to random drug testing. Unfortunately, over the years, many psychiatrists have taken the course to become suboxone certified, write scripts, don't drug test, still allow the patients to take other dangerous drugs, and overall don't follow protocol. These type of doctors are causing negative views on the topic. Although I can speak about suboxone for hours ( type I mean) I'll wrap it up. For me, it is a wonder drug. I did not want to enter a methadone clinc ( methadone is MUCH worse and MUCH harder to get off than suboxone) , and luckily the max dose of suboxone was enough to begin my recovery. Every patient is different, some people take suboxone for a few weeks, ( a detox period), then get off, some stay on for another month or two, then there's those like me who stay on for maintence long term. I stay on because of the severityof my heroin addiction, and the combination of my mental illnesses / physical pain disorders. I will not lie it is hard to get off, especially being on for years, but it is possible. I have been clean for a long while now with the help of suboxone and some traditional rehabilitation methods. As a side note, like any medication, the streets are getting flooded with suboxone. Addicts whom cannot score, or dealers whom are out, will sell/buy the medication just to not be " dope sick " until their next fix. This unfortunately is ruining it for patients like me who truly need it. It's still in a trial phase and if the amount on the streets increases more and more, the company producing it will whipe its hands clean, and EVERYONE on it would have to go to a methadone clinic. I fear for that day, but pray it shall never come. Anyone going through opiate addictions or any type of addictions feel free to contact me with any questions/concerns. ( this entire statement was a combination of both proven facts and some opinion , the drug is still in a trial phase, its impossible to find exact answers for a lot of things about it but it's closing in on being fully studied. - Dan

Addressing suboxone and whether it is allowed when a person is on probation -

The answer was: just tell them u are on it if u have a legit prescription theres nothing they can do about it...

My answer was: "Absolutely incorrect - if you are using ANY drug which is forbidden by your probation you have to get the consent of your probation officer before you use it."

Your reddie to me was (in caps, the equivalent of screaming): "SUBOXONE IS TOTALLY UNDETECTABLE ON A TYPICAL TEST USED BY PROBATION/COURT SYSTEMS. The only way to detect it is via an intense tox screen similar to those used on deceased. even then im not sure if its detectable but I am sure it does not show up on"

I said NOTHING about showing up on testing. I answered the question as it was asked and don't understand the reddie or your answer - ?

No problem - and thanks for the response. There is a new format and I find it confusing - and I've been "here" a long time. I can't imagine what it's like for new people.

Welcome to AMHD, by the way.

I am a former heroin addict whos been on suboxone for about 7 years so this is perfect for me to answer.... Dan

I'm an old psycholgist and spent a few years in the addictions. I am also vehemently opposed to the medical over-use of the prescription pad for every minor complaint that issues from a patient experiencing discomfort. Add to this that many of the mood altering drugs actively marketed are poorly researched, actively misrepresented, are ineffective or cause more problems than they relieve.

However, in relation to Suboxone, your assessment seems accurate and supported by many similar (almost identical) reports. User reports are overwhelmingly favorable, indicating that it is immediately effective in eliminating opiate withdrawal symptoms, even more importantly it seems to eliminate the desire for opiates and, as you indicate, does not provide a continual high but rather makes them feel "normal", "healthy" and functional. Further, these type of reports are generally filled with complaints about adverse side effects. Not so with Suboxone.

You made an interesting and informative presentation. Thank you.

Bill

Suboxone, while administered professionally, has saved many lives. It works wonders on so many addicts who felt they had no other option. It tames the beast within. Only an addict could understand that feeling, and truly say if it's "right" or "wrong" to take this drug. If it works, then take it. 60 pills have never lasted an addict all month. That in itself is worthy of notice.

God bless the still suffering alcoholic/addict.