I have a question also, now that I am reading on this topic, I am going through a hard time with my child's father, Long story, but going to try to make it short, he wasn't there through my pregnancy, but I gave him the chance of being in the labor room he made a scene in the hospital to where security had to escort him out because I did not put him on the birth certificate.

He did not see my son for about two months after he was born, I was living with family at the time, so we started letting him come over every now and then. He started working (he never kept a job long) didn't give me much money. He lost the job for the same reason he always loses his jobs (his temper).

He has an addiction to marijuana, he use to use other narcotics as well as sell it.

He has a record, wasn't in jail for long, but was on bond. Don't know what's going to happen with that it's almost been a year, but it was for dealing in stolen property, grand theft of a firearm, and I believe parifinilia under 20 grams.

I moved and got my own apartment in 2008 gave him another chance to be a father, and was doing nothing with his life, no job, not helping, trying to come over all the time.

Finally I put him on child support because I was trying to get foodstamps and government help, after that, he kept showing up at my apartment banging on my door at all hours of the night because I started to ignore him and try to keep my son away from him seeing that he was not changing his ways. I took him to court for an injunction and they did not grant me it.

So I moved changed my number canceled child support cause I did not want to deal with him, so no communication for a year didn't see his son for a year until he found out I had a man in my life he went and showed up at my mothers door looking for my son. He was desperate to get a hold of me, so I called him. Had a long conversation, about how he has changed and what not, so I gave him another chance (shouldn't have). He placed his hands on me in my apartment in front of my son, did not want to leave my apartment, was going off on me because I was not doing him a favor, mind you, he was still not working, or helping, so I kicked him out and did not allow him over again, although he still tried to come over, and he is always calling me telling me he is sorry.

See basically it is like a cycle repeated over and over, he comes back apologizing about what he's done. He verbally abuses me since I was pregnant. He currently lives with his parents, he recently lost 2 jobs in a month for going off on the supervisors, He sees my son once a week at his parents house because I do not allow for him to take him or be with him alone.

I apologize for this long essay, but I am very frusterated, I have decided to not let him see my son anymore because he is not a good role model for him, and now he is calling leaving nasty voicemails and what not, I moved again recently so he does not know where I live once again.

Is this enough proof for court that he is unfit.

First its not a good idea to piggyback your question on someone else's. This can lead to confusion. You should start a new thread. So I've moved your question to its own thread.

Its probably enough to limit him to supervised visitation, but not enough to prove him unfit.

And frankly, you could be in big trouble with the courts for hiding his child from him. He might have you prosecuted for parental kidnapping.

If you got a child support order against him, he's been declared the legal father. As the legal father he has rights. You are illegally depriving him of those rights.

How am I kidnapping my child when I am the one that has custody we have never been married, he has no custody, and I am the mother and legally work and maintain my child while he does nothing, that just does not make sense.

And also he DOESN'T or wouldn't be able to pay child support without a job so how would that give him any right? The only rights he can have is supervised rights, That's it. He has mental problems.

And when did these mental problems begin? Was it only after you broke up with him and not before you decided to date and make a baby with him? I'm glad you went to court to establish legal custody that was a good first step. However, he is still the father. The court will not see that, oh my gosh I met this perfect guy and had a kid with him and then he got hit with lightning so he is a drug-head and abuser! As mentioned above if you have proof of all of this then if he wants visitation then they will most likely start supervised until he can prove himself to the court that he isn't a danger to the child. But you don't have enough to prove him unfit.

It is not my fault that he has chosen that lifestyle, that is past tense what happened then, he has not grown up and yes he started the verbal abuse while I was pregnant, it was not something I could control. I am not going to have the stress on my shoulders of worrying of him taking my son somewhere I am not having that. And also referring to your comment about us breaking up it has nothing to do with him and I, it has to do with my son and what is best for my son.

Well there is proof, my point is.. A bad father or mother, makes an Unfit parent, it's all the same thing.

Here is a legal definition for an unfit parent

The definition of an unfit parent is governed by state laws, which vary by state. A parent may be deemed unfit if they have been abusive, neglected, or failed to provide proper care for the child. A parent with a mental disturbance or addiction to drugs or alcohol may also be found to be an unfit parent. Failure to visit, provide support, or incarceration are other examples of grounds for being found unfit.

Yes I believe he is unfit.

It does have to do with why the two of you are not together. I'm not saying that you made a bad choice in not staying with him but the fact remains the same that he wasn't this amazing guy before you got pregnant. When did he start using drugs? Before or after you were already pregnant? Things like that are what shows that it isn't all his fault either. Again, I'm not saying he is a great guy or that I would want my kids with him but then again I don't have kids with him I chose to have them with my husband (even though the first one was born a few days before we were married *gasp*). I stand by what I said as long as he has no order for visitation you don't have to allow visitation but if he goes to court for it you don't have enough to prove him unfit. All you can do is gather all of your proof of what you have told us and bring it to court with you so that it is limited to supervised visitation. It may not remain supervised visitation, it could become more if he proves himself to the court (not that he will).

I understand where you are coming from but I was young and immature at the time and so was he we were both living the party/crazy lifestyle, but I let that go after I got pregnant and I've dedicated my life to my son he has not, he also has recent charges cannibis possession and grand theft and stealing in stolen property. The courts would have to demand something out of him for example keeping a job for at least a year and getting help and stopping his drug use in order to even have supervised visits.

I am not saying I do not want my son to have his father I have given him many chances to be a father and does not prove that he wants to be there for his son, I am concerned for my sons safety and am doing the role of a mother that cares for her child, I want nothing but the best for my son.

Well there is proof, my point is.. A bad father or mother, makes an Unfit parent, it's all the same thing.

You are not listening to what we have been telling you. Its NOT all the same thing. To declare a parent unfit is a LEGAL issue and unfitness is an issue for a court to decide. Based on what you have said a court would not rule him unfit.

Where did you find that definition? That appears to be a generalization, not specific law for the state you are in. It states that those factors MAY be used its not a hard and fast rule.

So what is your goal in declaring him unfit? You claim you already have full legal and physical custody. So what do you want? You just said; "I am not saying I do not want my son to have his father...", but that appears to be EXACTLY what you want. Going so far as to hiding from him. And even if he does not have full legal custody he may have visitation rights and your hiding from him could work against you.

This site is about providing answers to questions, we try to provide accurate answers. Did you come here seeking such answers or did you come here to have someone tell you that you are right? You have gotten good and accurate advice here, but you don't seem to want to accept that advice.

I will repeat what I said. The way you describe him would limit any visitation he requests to supervised visits, but it would not block visitation if he asks a court to set up visitation. Getting a parent declared unfit is a means to an end, not the end in itself.

The courts would have to demand something out of him for example keeping a job for atleast a year and getting help and stopping his drug use in order to even have supervised visits.

I am not saying I do not want my son to have his father I have given him many chances to be a father and does not prove that he wants to be there for his son, I am concerned for my sons safety and am doing the role of a mother that cares for her child, I want nothing but the best for my son.

Whoever told you this about what the courts will do gave you absolutely wrong information. If he wants visitation and if it is restricted to supervised then its just that. They won't use the child as a pawn like you suggest. No they can't force him to work to see his child nor can they place other qualifications on it other then supervised. That is what supervision is for. To provide a safe environment for the child. And if you do want nothing but the best for the child start thinking in terms of "our" because the child is both of yours not just yours alone.

The courts would have to demand something out of him for example keeping a job for atleast a year and getting help and stopping his drug use in order to even have supervised visits.


I missed this in the first reading. Califdad is right, you don't seem to have a clue about how courts really work. A father is entitled to being a part of his child's life. Unless it can be proven he is a direct danger to the child the courts will allow visitation. If the courts feel that he may not be capable of properly caring for the child on his own (which appears to be the case) they will require supervised visitation. But the courts will not blackmail him by requiring specific lifestyle changes.

He is not capable of taking care of a child, he is a child himself with a criminal history as well (recent), I am sure I can prove him unfit as well as all my witnesses.

Calif, there are consequences for him not paying child support, I would believe so.

Calif, there are consequences for him not paying child support, I would believe so.

Child support and visitation are unrelated. Like I said its highly unlikely the courts would use the child as a pawn. Is this already an active order or your guessing?

Yes, there are consequences for not paying support, but cutting off visitation is not one of them. Courts have always kept visitation and support separate to avoid blackmailing a parent to pay.

Again, I must ask why you keep arguing with people who know law and courts when you clearly don't?

I have spoken to attorneys in the past and have gathered my research and common sense, He IS a DANGER to my son, I would not believe the courts would say he is a fit enough parent to take care of him.

And I am not saying I want them using my child as a pawn. No I have not put an order yet I am planning on doing so. And he doesn't keep a job because of his anger problems. There has been more than one occasion where a manager has had to call the police on him.

I have spoken to attorneys in the past and have gathered my research and common sense, He IS a DANGER to my son, I would not believe the courts would say he is a fit enough parent to take care of him.

And I am not saying I want them using my child as a pawn. No I have not put an order yet I am planning on doing so. And he doesn't keep a job because of his anger problems. there has been more than one ocassion where a manager has had to call the police on him.

Then you may have grounds for supervised visitation. The child support is another matter.

Common sense does not always apply to the law and especially to courts. If you believe that it does, you haven't done anywhere near enough research,

You clearly have not been paying attention to the answers you have gotten. I agree with you that its unlikely a court will deem him a fit enough parent to care for your son. But that does not mean they will not allow supervised visitation! You have been told that several times. With supervised visitation he will not be allowed a visit if he appears under the influence. He will not have to provide any significant care for the child. He can spend an hour or two one or twice a week playing with the child under the watchful eye of someone else. That someone can make sure he does not harm to the child.

I asked you earlier to define what it I you want and you have not answered. You say you don't want to keep the father from his son, so what DO you want?

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MarMar27 disagrees : I am not Hiding him, I refuse for my son to be in that environment.

First, may I call your attention to the guidelines for using the comments feature found here:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/using-comments-feature-24951.html

In your initial post you said:

So I moved changed my number canceled child support cause I did not want to deal with him,

So you WERE hiding from him. Therefore your use of the comments feature was inappropriate.

Your responses here are typical of someone we encounter too frequently here. You don't want help, you want someone to affirm what you think. We don't do that here. We give the most accurate answers we can, not what someone wants to hear. You have gotten very good advice so far and all you have done is argue with it. If you truly want help we are ready to provide it. Otherwise I will just close this thread.

I agree this thread should be closed. The answer has been given over and over. In many different ways. With that being said if you don't like what you are learning (or not because you just want to argue) go get your own attorney that you pay to tell you the answers and you pay to go to court for you.

Another case where OP's mind is made up and knowing what the law says is not going to change it.

Time to close.

Only I know my case, and an attorney told me that they don't even do the supervised visitations anymore unless someone volunteers to do it within the family, and why would I trust anyone in his family ? And No one in my family is going to do it, and NO I did not want to deal with him ScottGem why should I be harassed by him when he was coming over High off drugs and abusing me in front of my son, my son doesn't need to see that.

Close the thread. I am done with this topic. Thank u very much.

Only I know my case, and an attorney told me that they don't even do the supervised visitations anymore unless someone volunteers to do it within the family, and why would I trust anyone in his family ? and Noone in my family is going to do it, and NO I did not want to deal with him ScottGem why should I be harassed by him when he was coming over High off drugs and abusing me in front of my son, my son doesn't need to see that.

Go ahead and close the thread. I am done with this topic. Thank u very much.

I was under the impression that only a court appointed person could do the supervised visits... Are you saying that if you wanted to you could be the one to supervise the visits? Is this a common practice?

I would not want to do the supervised visit because he has no respect for me and he's always trying to manipulate me. If supervised visits was the option then I rather have a legal worker take care of that.

This8384,

Do u work for the court? If not, I don't think u know everything about law, I just know that the court will not allow a child to be in danger.

I would like to close this thread, How do I do so?

Since the OP does not want to listen to advice and seems to think she know better then people more experienced, this thread is closed.

I was under the impression that only a court appointed person could do the supervised visits... Are you saying that if you wanted to you could be the one to supervise the visits? Is this a common practice?

I'll answer this. It depends on the area and the family court system. Some courts will allow a family member to supervise, some will appoint a GAL or other person to supervise. Sometimes a third party will be used only at the NCP's expense.