What to do about people who constantly give dangerous advice and advice that could very well be deadly to someone?

Besides reporting and giving disagrees? What else can be done?

That's about it really, other than posting what would work to refute the bad advice.

Wow, that was a discussion ender.

Sometimes wish there was more that we could do.

Well I got a reddie for giving someone advice, by someone who was giving thread her bad advice. I gave him a reddie first and he then gave me one ranting and raving. Doesn't matter if I can help this woman get out of a bad relatioship before she is killed, I'd take a hundred reddies. Thanks for starting this thread:)

Well I got a reddie for giving someone advice, by someone who was giving thread her bad advice. I gave him a reddie first and he then gave me one ranting and raving. Doesn't matter if I can help this woman get out of a bad relatioship before she is killed, I'd take a hundred reddies. Thanks for starting this thread:)

I tried to give you a balancer Kity, but I had to spread the love. Your post there was perfect.

I often get yelled at for giving dangerous advice.

Curlyben's right. I mean, this is a forum where ideas are exchanged. If we filtered out stuff that isn't deemed acceptable, nothing new would be learned.

I wouldn't have fun or learn anything from an AMHD if it were made of slapshot_ois.

I often get yelled at for giving dangerous advice.

Curlyben's right. I mean, this is a forum where ideas are exchanged. If we filtered out stuff that isn't deemed acceptable, nothing new would be learned.

I wouldn't have fun or learn anything from an AMHD if it were made of slapshot_ois.

Thanks J_9... I'll take that reddie for everyone in the world who has ever suffered abuse. That made me furious! Hey Slap and Joe.

Hey J9, Slap, and Kat. I took a lovely reddie too. It is only my second one. I can not wait to get more.

I still can give them right back though especially when someone's life is on the line.

I agree that sometimes when advice is given its down right dangerous,but I have found it does not go un noticed.
Someone usually jumps on it,I know I have,and have seen many other regular and new members disagreeing with dangerous advice also.

For me I RIP it,disagree ( if I can within the rules!) or quote and give my reasons for why I disagree.

Hey J9, Slap, and Kat. I took a lovely reddie too. It is only my second one. I can not wait to get more.

I still can give them right back though especially when someones life is on the line.

I just don't see how someone could tell a woman to stay in that situation. I don't care how many reddies he gives me or she.. I don't know... :rolleyes:

i agree that sometimes when advice is given its down right dangerous,but i have found it does not go un noticed.
someone usually jumps on it,i know i have,and have seen many other regular and new members disagreeing with dangerous advice also.

for me i RIP it,disagree ( if i can within the rules!) or quote and give my reasons for why i disagree.

Hello your right, if it is dangerous advice that someone will jump on it. I think maybe bad advice should be jumped on more often and more severe depending on the situation.

Hello your right, if it is dangerous advice that someone will jump on it. I think maybe bad advice should be jumped on more often and more severe depending on the situation.



Thanks redhed... Bless you... I'm so mad at Hungchow I could spit nails.

I think the only thing you can to is to continue to come back with good advice and give the reddies.
If enough of us do that, hopefully the OP will get the right message.

I think the only thing you can to is to continue to come back with good advice and give the reddies.
If enough of us do that, hopefully the OP will get the right message.

I do not understand how someone could advise a person to stay in an abusive relationship. That is careless and just bad advice

Joe I gave you a greenie and accidentally gave a greenie to devil. I'll probably get reported.

Joe i gave you a greenie and accidentally gave a greenie to devil. I'll probably get reported.

No you won't, and even you did. It will not be an issue. Do not worry about anything. Only person is important right now is the one your helping.

No you wont, and even you did. It will not be an issue. Do not worry about anything. Only person is important right now is the one your helping.

Read the last post I left him. I didn't know you couldn't balance if I had already given you an agree!

I already read it and I commented it. It is so true.

Where are you guys? What thread?

I think when people post dangerous advice it's up to the people here to address it head on.

We can't use offensive language, but we can tell them off calmy. As long as there are facts to support our advice... then who could say we were wrong.

Maybe even some of the moderators could kind of give us some tips.

I already read it and I commented it. It is so true.

Hi JP, how come it says you joined April 20l0. I thought you had been here longer then that ? Is this a mistake or you are just an old soul ?;)

hi JP, how come it says you joined April 20l0. I thought you had been here longer then that ? Is this a mistake or you are just an old soul ?;)
He's not the one you are thinking of. This is the guy: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/jesushelper76.html

I agree, the username of the OP is misleading for us who have been here a long time.

HI, If you read my sigy you'll see what my responses are to those who ask, I got a reddie or 2 before, oh well, in the end,I believe in what I write, if it's wrong,I expect someone to correct me(if they can, hehe) and otherwise, it IS A FREE SITE, if we tell someone to pour gas on themselves and light a match, it's THEIR decision to do this, same as in the real world.

Sadly KBC a lot of troubled people wind up on these sites asking for help from anonymous people - some are so easily swayed that they might take the gasoline advice.

Sadly KBC a lot of troubled people wind up on these sites asking for help from anonymous people - some are so easily swayed that they might take the gasoline advice.

Understandable, but who's going to say something like that anyway.

My point being,we have no control over how others are going to take our information,we can only be responsible for OUR offer,not their interpretation or use of it.

We can't police others advice and expect the OP(or whoever) to see our way every time.

Reddies are our only fallback I guess.

The OP and Jesushelper76 are the same person, just with a fresh start :)

The OP and Jesushelper76 are the same person, just with a fresh start :)Thanks for the heads up though I don't get the point of the "fresh start"

I just smile and nod! :D

Hello Joe:

You should spend some time on the legal boards. If dangerous advice is given, and it IS all the time, we do NOT let the answer go unchallenged. To me, the value of that kind of discussion, is that the OP has an opportunity to see ALL sides of a question. I think that's a lot better than just hearing one or two posts that agree with each other.

But, in the final analysis, we can't control what the OP'll take away from this site. I don't know why. I've been telling people how to save the world for YEARS, yet the world STILL needs saving.

excon

Thanks for the heads up though I don't get the point of the "fresh start"

I think it's because some people get a little weird with their expert titles and greenies...

It's the advice that counts whether you have 2312314 greenies or just 1.

Either way back to Joe's original question:

Bad or good advice people are still going to take the advice they want. If someone came on here want to kill themselves, whether you say go ahead or don't do it it'll be up to them.

When I ask a question, I still pick an choose which one I want to hear-- hell I bet we all do it.

Either way we're here to help... sometimes our advice sucks (even the experts), I know mine isn't always great.

Anywhozzils that's my 2 centavos.

Good point, here 100,000 virtual greenies! :)

What to do about people who constantly give dangerous advice and advice that could very well be deadly to someone?

Besides reporting and giving disagrees? What else can be done?

What we can do, and what any knowledgeable member should do, is call them on their advice. Sure you get a reddie but you have saved the thread from becoming a potential disaster. That is, if you happen to come across the thread and notice what is going on.

Tick

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Hah, I knew that, just testing you

I think if a person gives bad advice ,while others give good advice.. let them show some facts
To back up their advice.

I don't mind getting a reddie if it's helping someone. As tick
And Muddy said who cares about a reddie if you give accurate advice.

I think if a person gives bad advice ,while others give good advice..let them show some facts
to back up their advice.

I don't mind getting a reddie if it's helping someone. As tick
and Muddy said who cares about a reddie if you give accurate advice.

I never said that.. get your facts straight.

Haha just kidding.

This post was irrelevant.

I've got a handful of reddies my first one was from KCTiger.. or was it Romefalls. I was new here. I was being bratty.. haha Now we laugh about it. Well we did a long thread ago.

Here is a great quote:

"When we ask for advice, we are usually looking for an accomplice."
-Saul Bellow

I never said that.. get your facts straight.

Haha just kidding.

This post was irrelevant.

I've got a handful of reddies my first one was from KCTiger..or was it Romefalls. I was new here. I was being bratty.. haha Now we laugh about it. Well we did a long thread ago.

Here is a great quote:

"When we ask for advice, we are usually looking for an accomplice."
-Saul Bellow




I got a reddie from dazed , after he asked the same advice 200 times.
Oh well, I gave reddies when I first started here. I thought they were
Something like and M&M or a Starburst. I asked what SFTW meant and I thought the answers were a little mean. Those people forgave me (I hope) Now when someone ask something stupid ,I want to reach through my laptop, grab them and smack them and say STFW
Wow.. too much coffee today:eek::D

I got a reddie from dazed , after he asked the same advice 200 times.
Oh well, I gave reddies when I first started here. I thought they were
something like and M&M or a Starburst. I asked what SFTW meant and i thought the answers were a little mean. Those people forgave me (I hope) Now when someone ask something stupid ,I want to reach through my laptop, grab them and smack them and say STFW
Wow..too much coffee today:eek::D

You better not hijack the thread Kit, Joe will squeeze that kittykat neck of yours and bite it off. He's an angry old man... just don't tell him I told you that:eek:

You better not hijack the thread Kit, Joe will squeeze that kittykat neck of yours and bite it off. He's an angry old man... just don't tell him I told you that:eek:

Okay.:eek::eek:.. Thanks! The advice we give is accurate as we perceive it.Then you have some of the newer members who c ome along and want to tell someone something totally different.

I think the bad information is given because some people have never experienced a break up or a divorce. Or spousal abuse etc. They speak from inexperience on things they know nothing about and derail the folks who are trying to give accurate information!:)

Okay.:eek::eek:..Thanks! The advice we give is accurate as we perceive it.Then you have some of the newer members who c ome along and want to tell someone something totally different.

I think the bad information is given because some people have never experienced a break up or a divorce. or spousal abuse etc. They speak from inexperience on things they know nothing about and derail the folks who are trying to give accurate information!:)

Agreed!

It's like asking a man how labor is like...

Caught you both, well this thread is a lot better then the times I brought out my lightening sticks getting ready to strike everyone in my way. Lol

Caught ya both, well this thread is a lot better when mudweiser is here

Aww thanks :)

He's not the one you are thinking of. This is the guy: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/jesushelper76.html

I agree, the username of the OP is misleading for us who have been here a long time.

I apologize if it is confusing people. I did have my reasons for doing it.

Joe

Aww thanks :)

Oh yes, you have a way of brightening up the threads and making them all lively and everything.

Oh yes, you have a way of brightening up the threads and making them all lively and everything.

If a person comes here saying he is going to shoot himself because he is depressed. I am going to try to to give him advice and help to him try and see he needs medical help.

Then some moron comes on here and tells him what sort of gun to use.
That was a hypothetical scenerio.. :)

I definitely don't have all the answers, and I don't pretend to, all I can do is speak from experience.

I definitly don't have all the answers, and I don't pretend to, all I can do is speak from experience.




Bella you do give accurate advice. Have you told a woman who is getting beat up to stay with her husband? No you haven't! You are a good adviser!:D

Awws **blushing** well thanks! :)

I'd still like to know what thread yous all are talking about!

I asked what SFTW meant and i thought the answers were a little mean. Those people forgave me (I hope) Now when someone ask something stupid ,I want to reach through my laptop, grab them and smack them and say STFW
Wow..too much coffee today:eek::D

Of course I forgive you! I actually thought it was quite funny.

I luuurrrve you! :D

Yes, Ken, the physical scars heal. It is the emotional scars that last a lifetime.
Verbal abuse can be so much worse. It makes us (as humans) feel worthless and insecure. We can heal from a black eye, but it is the shattered heart that is the hardest to heal.

Yes, Ken, the physical scars heal. It is the emotional scars that last a lifetime.
Verbal abuse can be so much worse. It makes us (as humans) feel worthless and insecure. We can heal from a black eye, but it is the shattered heart that is the hardest to heal.

Yes, verbal abuse to a person with a memory like a steal trap can be crippling. I have been there and I can tell you, I remember absolutely every word, every phrase, every rotten name I was ever called. To this day I still think, down deep inside, I am that rotten person. Hard to shake the stigma.

Tick

I know this is The Lounge, but really!

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I just saw this thread and I'm going to reopen it. I have removed a lot of the posts that were the reason it was closed. But I think the issues raised by the original post need further discussion. I don't believe the question in that OP and some of the followups were answered completely.

First, to answer the original question you have three choices:
1) Give the post a reddie with an explanation. However, before you can do that, the advice you believe is dangerous needs to be backed up with facts that prove it's dangerous (more on that later).
2) Post a response that counteracts the dangerous advice, again explaining why you feel it was dangerous.
3) Use the RIP so the MODs can judge whether the advice was malicious or not and remove it, if so.

I'm going to expand on point 1) here. When the comments feature was first instituted here I wrote the guidelines on how it was to be used. I've been involved in too many sites like this that have some sort of rating feature where the rating system is almost always abused. What so often happens is someone didn't like a response so rated it negatively and that caused bad feelings and a war started. I did not and do not want that to happen here. Therefore, I set the rule that a negative comment (reddie) should ONLY be used where the advice was FACTUALLY incorrect.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum-help/using-comments-feature-official-guidelines-24951.html
In the thread that inspired this question, NONE of the reddies given were cases of factually incorrect advice. And I've taken action to deal with that. One might disagree with the advice given (and I did) but it was not factually incorrect. So the proper way to deal with that advice was to respond with a counter. In that thread, several people did respond with counters so the preponderance of opinion was expressed. The OP of that thread was given a consensus, even though there were a couple of dissenting opinions. But that thread dealt with an issue of OPINION, not fact!

I wanted to specifically address this comment:

I think the only thing you can to is to continue to come back with good advice and give the reddies.
If enough of us do that, hopefully the OP will get the right message.

This is almost correct. I see nothing wrong with bringing a thread to the attention of others to show the OP a consensus. But handing out reddies because you disagree with what someone said IS very wrong and it only prolongs a fight.

I also wanted to address the issue of reddies. I think too much emphasis is being placed on greenies and reddies. Most members doen't have a clue what that line of green boxes mean. Reputation points don't get you anything but a green box. If someone gives you a reddie inappropriately do not give them one in turn, report it and the member will be told how to correctly use the feature. If they continue to abuse the feature they will be dealt with. But the ONLY purpose of a reddie is to correct advice that is FACTUALLY incorrect. End of story!
Now I have reopened this thread if anyone wants to discuss what I have posted or the original post. ANY and ALL references to the thread that inspired this thread will be removed! All discussion should be in general or abstract terms. I hope I have made myself clear!

Thanks Scott,I think this should be made clear as well, I have a few reddies from posters who 'FEEL' they were wronged,but that's life, we seem to expect new posters to understand ALL the suggested rules of this site,naturally they don't always understand,it's our responsibility to enlighten but not berate them, or ignore the red marks altogether.

we seem to expect new posters to understand ALL the suggested rules of this site,

That's a good point. We know most newbies do not read the rules. Nor do they take the time to browse around and see how people use this site before jumping in. So we should pay attention to post count before jumping on someone. Newbies deserve to be educated before being berated.

I have a question...

I received a reddie from a new-ish member for my opinion.
I sent them a PM just (gently) reminding them of the rules for giving reddies out for opinion and that they should be for factually incorrect information only.

Was I wrong to do so?

I have started copying the reddie and posting it in a new response that normally starts with "Please review the terms of service and usage guidelines for the agree/disagree feature."

Then I go on to explain my opinion.

I have a question...

I received a reddie from a new-ish member for my opinion.
I sent them a PM just (gently) reminding them of the rules for giving reddies out for opinion and that they should be for factually incorrect information only.

Was I wrong to do so?

The problem with doing it via PM is that newbies often aren't PM-able yet. So I will do like Catsmine. I have a macro program that automatically types in text so I use it:
First, may I call your attention to the guidelines for using the comments feature found here:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/using-comments-feature-24951.html

Depending On the circumstances, I'll add more as needed.

I usually just copy the reddie and say "Welcome to AMHD. Please note that reddies (disagrees) are for factually incorrect posts only, not for opinion. This rule is in the Terms of Service you agreed to when signing up.

It has mixed responses. Some people come back and say sorry, others come back with the "I'll do what I want, I don't care about rules... " attitude. Then they go on to dish out reddies like candy on Halloween. That's when I RIP.

As for greenies and reddies, I understand why we have them, but personally I think the site would do better without them. They can cause animosity, or make people think that we're all just a group that sticks up for each other. I can see how an outsider might view it.

I don't give out a lot of greenies or reddies. I always forget. I have to wonder if there's a better way, if we shouldn't just get rid of the rating system altogether. It may cause less arguments.

Just a suggestion. I'll go back to my corner now. :o

As for greenies and reddies, I understand why we have them, but personally I think the site would do better without them. They can cause animosity, or make people think that we're all just a group that sticks up for each other. I can see how an outsider might view it.

I don't give out a lot of greenies or reddies. I always forget. I have to wonder if there's a better way, if we shouldn't just get rid of the rating system altogether. It may cause less arguments.

Just a suggestion. I'll go back to my corner now. :o
We are open to suggestion. I don't want to hijack this thread, so if you want to start a new discussion please feel free. I'm not a big fan of the feature, but there are good reasons for it.

We are open to suggestion. I don't want to hijack this thread, so if you want to start a new discussion please feel free. I'm not a big fan of the feature, but there are good reasons for it.

Is there another way to judge the quality of someone's answers in determining "Expert" status?

Is there another way to judge the quality of someone's answers in determining "Expert" status?

Not sure what you are asking. Experts are appointed after displaying a track record of high quality answers. That track record doesn't include reputation points.

Not sure what you are asking. Experts are appointed after displaying a track record of high quality answers. That track record doesn't include reputation points.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought it did.

We are open to suggestion. I don't want to hijack this thread, so if you want to start a new discussion please feel free. I'm not a big fan of the feature, but there are good reasons for it.

Done. :)

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/active-members/reddies-greenies-do-we-them-467019.html

Problem with mine was that the post was made 4 months ago... member had replied several times back then but then decided to come on the other day and give a reddie.

I didn't want to drag a 4 month old thread up just to tell them about the rules for reddies.

Doesn't bother me that much, was just wondering.

Problem with mine was that the post was made 4 months ago... member had replied several times back then but then decided to come on the other day and give a reddie.

I didn't want to drag a 4 month old thread up just to tell them about the rules for reddies.

Doesn't bother me that much, was just wondering.

That happened to me yesterday. A girl that hasn't posted since January came back to her thread just to give me a reddie.

The reddie is funny though;

"he is not a man ok!"

If he is not a man does that mean he's a woman? Was he ever a man or do we just call him he because the s on our keyboard is broken? ;)

I have faked the 'ol 's' doesn't work thing before.
Usually when talking about someone's dog if I type he and then notice later that the OP had written she in their question :o

I have faked the 'ol 's' doesn't work thing before.
Usually when talking about someones dog if I type he and then notice later that the OP had written she in their question :o

I usually do the he/she/it thing. ;)

I tried to balance your reddie but I'd already repped you on the post, can't do it again, it won't let me. :(

Nah it's all good, I had 2 greenies on that same post anyway from memory ;)

It's not the reddies that bother me so much as the people who don't bother with the rules.

I just had a look , what a stupid Reddie though , at least if it's balanced anyone seeing the response will realise it's unwarranted :rolleyes:

Is there another way to judge the quality of someone's answers in determining "Expert" status?

One thing about judging someone's answers is that only the OP really knows what's going to work for them. As far as experts at least in the law boards and in other "professional" boards there are people that are new or pop in that have been or are experts in their own right. So its not always as simple as what is their post count or the number of greenies a person has. Each answer has to be judged on its on merrit and content as how it relates to the question and if it needs to be factual that has to balance in there somewhere. So it's a buyer beware in the boards. And since its free. And all comers welcome you have to watch your step.

One thing about judging someones answers is that only the OP really knows whats going to work for them. As far as experts atleast in the law boards and in other "professional" boards there are people that are new or pop in that have been or are experts in thier own right. So its not always as simple as what is thier post count or the number of greenies a person has. Each answer has to be judged on its on merrit and content as how it relates to the question and if it needs to be factual that has to balance in there somewhere. So its a buyer beware in the boards. And since its free. And all comers welcome you have to watch your step.

Are you saying "You get what you pay for." ;)

I have to watch my step every day, or I will fall. Everybody that follows me will too, just kidding.

Just because it is free advice does not make it all bad advice. I do understand for certain sections greenies and post count are not as important to determine expert status.

In something in relationships which I was and in my opinion still is at expert status, it does depend largely on greenies and post count and how many people are happy with your advice.

Although I am sure there are many other ways to determine whether somebody is good for relationship advice or not.

Also IF there is NO reddie or greenie. I would suggest adopting just a comment section. So there will be always feedback whether positive or negative but the greenies and reddies would not exist.

I go by comments more and prefer comment feedback anyway. Personally.

I go by comments more and prefer comment feedback anyway. Personally.

You've a good point there, Joe. When a questioner comes back and says "Thanks, that worked great" it means so much more than a bunch of greenies.

Maybe we all need to learn a course in this.



Basic Guidelines to Problem Solving and Decision Making


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving

Basic Guidelines to Problem Solving and Decision Making (http://www.managementhelp.org/prsn_prd/prb_bsc.htm)

You've a good point there, Joe. When a questioner comes back and says "Thanks, that worked great" it means so much more than a bunch of greenies.

But wouldn't it be better if the OP came back and gave a greenie with a comment of "Thanks, that worked great" !

But wouldn't it be better if the OP came back and gave a greenie with a comment of "Thanks, that worked great" !

I agree with Scott :cool:

I agree with M.

Kitty! I see you lurking in the corner! Come out an play!

Well looks like everyone is against my ideas. Although I think a comment section is worth more then reddies or greenies.

That is just my opinion. It might be going against the grain but honestly comments matter more.

Not a greeny and not a reddy.

Joe I'm sorry.

Listen girl, do you think we are the first ones to tell her this? Nothing ANYONE says be it you, me, her mother or some schmuck off the streets, she ISN'T going to leave until SHE is ready to leave. Kit you know that as well as I do, and we know that better than anyone else.

Did you not have friends and family telling you how you were in a wrong situation, but what was it that made YOU decide to leave? I bet 100 chances to 1 that it wasn't some sappy heart to heart. Something clicked inside of you.

You DID not let her down, you fought for her, and you made her see what a serious situation she is in. She already knows something is wrong other wise she wouldn't be writing in for help. That girl got a lot of sound advice.

Kitty, believe me chick, I know what it's like to let your emotions run away with you, frig it's happened to me more times than I would like to admit.

The only one you let down was you, by leaving. I hope you are only taking a break. I hope you just needed time to clear your head. You know how we all feel about you.

Well Everybody countered and that girl needs to either take the advice or not.

Nothing anyone can do and no one can force somebody to make change. They have to do it themselves and want that change.

Since you guys are commenting on it. I went and read the thread and I see one thing everyone missed. But Im going to stay away from that thread so not to add to the confusion. None of you mentioned that her perfect man has a mental problem BECAUSE he is in the military. Id bet dollars to doughnuts he has PTSD and this is only the beginings of the symptoms. And yes, she needs to leave and not look back.

That;s not always the cause dad. My father spent almost 30 years as an under water weapons tech, basically setting up under water land mines and welding under water. He never beat me or my mother.

Since you guys are commenting on it. I went and read the thread and I see one thing everyone missed. But Im going to stay away from that thread so not to add to the confusion. None of you mentioned that her perfect man has a mental problem BECAUSE he is in the military. Id bet dollars to doughnuts he has PTSD and this is only the beginings of the symptoms. And yes, she needs to leave and not look back.

Bella... and Calidorf... and Joe.. you all touch my hearts.

Wow, that is a good point. Never thought of that and your right. Everyone did miss that. PTSD is so common like you have said but even with that, she needs to get out no matter. Whether that is the cause or not, does not matter. The violence is series and she needs to leave no matter the cause.

That;s not always the cause dad. My father spent almost 30 years as an under water weapons tech, basically setting up under water land mines and welding under water. He never beat me or my mother.

Im sorry to disagree but men of your dads caliber are not made in the generations of today. In today's world there is a lot of good men and women that come back as different people after having been in the theater of war. Its sad but true. Also much of today's war IS like a video game until it gets real. Then many are having a tough time dealing with it. Right now our armies are consuming vast amounts of antidepresiants while being in the theater. They are taking them in record numbers because of the shock they are going through. Its ugly.. its war.

Wow, that is a good point. Never thought of that and your right. Everyone did miss that. PTSD is so common like you have said but even with that, she needs to get out no matter. Whether that is the cause or not, does not matter. The violence is series and she needs to leave no matter the cause.

PTSD is very common now. A comment section instead of reddies or greenies?

[QUOTE=califdadof3;2332447]Im sorry to disagree but men of your dads caliber are not made in the generations of today. In today's world there is a lot of good men and women that come back as different people after having been in the theater of war. Its sad but true. Also much of today's war IS like a video game until it gets real. Then many are having a tough time dealing with it. Right now our armies are consuming vast amounts of antidepresiants while being in the theater. They are taking them in record numbers because of the shock they are going through. Its ugly.. its war.[/QU


Well my father has been to war, he has been in Afghanistan, has been the only one on his troop returning, have been to Cambodia, has spent time in Korea, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, my dad joined the military when he was 16, and retired at one of the top ranks, but he spent many days, weeks, months in the field. My father has never worked a day at the "desk".

Not disagreeing with you at all, just saying that;s not always the case.

Oh yes, I may be in Canada, but my father was one of the first troops sent out during 9-11.

Oh I forgot to mention, Africa, Egypt, and Pakistan.

[QUOTE=califdadof3;2332447]Im sorry to disagree but men of your dads caliber are not made in the generations of today. In todays world there is alot of good men and women that come back as different people after having been in the theater of war. Its sad but true. Also much of todays war IS like a video game until it gets real. Then many are having a tough time dealing with it. Right now our armies are consuming vast amounts of antidepresiants while being in the theater. They are taking them in record numbers because of the shock they are going through. Its ugly .. its war.[/QU


Well my father has been to war, he has been in Afghanistan, has been the only one on his troop returning, have been to Cambodia, has spent time in Korea, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, my dad joined the military when he was 16, and retired at one of the top ranks, but he spent many days, weeks, months in the field. My father has never worked a day at the "desk".

Not disagreeing with you at all, just saying that;s not always the case.

Oh yes, I may be in Canada, but my father was one of the first troops sent out during 9-11.

I agree with the "not always". And even in the first sentence I said a man of his calibar. Today's men aren't in the same league for the most part. Its much more proliferate today then it was years ago. I applaud your dad for his service.

Thank you Dad. Sorry I missed the "man of his caliber"

My father is very proud of his job, and as am I.

You are right, today is a lot different than then.

As a fellow Canadian, we have been in many wars. We have had many missions and lots of the Peace Keeping. You should be proud of your Dad.

I know I am...

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I am JH. Very much so. When I see him in is his uniform decorated, it brings a tear to my eye.

Joe, I think you have the right idea about a color free comments box. The original question about dangerous advice can be handled immediately and civilly in either two full lines or another post.

Bella, as one who has seen the elephant I want you to hug your Dad for protecting you. Good on him.

Dad, PTSD is an inevitable consequence of finding the warriors in the mass of trained and uniformed civilians. Civilians cannot see the warriors' world and cope with it. Most warriors cannot cope with civilian life. Those few that can are able to change the world.