Yes, that is true.
The Canadian Anglicans have petitioned Rome to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and accept the Pope as leader.
They are now in the transition stage wanting to keep some of their traditional liturgy along with the Roman liturgy.
:confused:Has any other large group decided to Join with any of the other denominations?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

To say Anglicans are becoming Catholic is a load of well, doo doo. I know I have been involved in both denominations. Been involved in the Anglican church and you know what there will be agreements between the too but that does not mean that the pope will be excepted as the leader because the only leader of any church of Jesus Christ, IS JESUS CHRIST, Not another man like the pope. Both Anglicans and Catholics have similar practices and liturgy and are closely related to each other, but there are still and will be some differences.

Your always preaching and trying to write and brag and pump up the Catholic church as you think it is the best option but, it does not really matter in the scheme of things.

What does matter is that we come together in the belief of Jesus and to celebrate his life together, no matter our differences or whose in so called power.. etc... starting to really get tired of this Mr. Fred.. No offense.

Jesushelper76
Sorry about that, but that IS the news and it is as I said.
They ARE accepting the Pope as their leader. Period..
They are the ones who petitioned Rome to become fully in communion with Rome.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yes, that is true.
The Canadian Anglicans have petitioned Rome to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and accept the Pope as leader.
They are now in the transition stage wanting to keep some of their traditional liturgy along with the Roman liturgy.
:confused:Has any other large group decided to Join with any of the other denominations?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

Of what significance and importance is that, arcura?

Thanks!

:confused:Has any other large group decided to Join with any of the other denominations?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

Ask those of the supposed 0.59% (approx 400K members) decline in catholic membership between 2008-9?

Sorry... couldn't resist

National Council of Churches USA (http://www.ncccusa.org/news/090130yearbook1.html)

Don't know their methods or reliability.

I read that it's by invitation from the pope. The bones of contention in the Anglican Church that will probably drive conservatives into the RCC are the preferences of many Anglican centrists and liberals for ordination of women and acceptance of gays.

Clough,
You asked what of significance is that??
If you can't even guess at that then anything I say will be useless.
LOL
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I personally believe the Lord Jesus isn't interested in who is CATHOLIC. From what I have read he is only interested in people following HIM. He never once said... follow me and I will make you a catholic.. What he said was follow me and I will make you a fisher of men. See the difference?

We need to one by one... lead people to JESUS... not the POPE or the Catholic church. (That is my two cents. I imagine Catholics think it is worth less than that... oh well.)

Jesushelper76
Sorry about that, but that IS the news and it is as I said.
They ARE accepting the Pope as their leader. Period..
They are the ones who petitioned Rome to become fully in communion with Rome.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Arcura - could you please cite a reference source for the 400,000 number? Being an Espicopalean myself I am well aware of the conflicts within our church here in the US, and that some individuals may consider becoming members of the RCC. But actually most of the disaffected members are considering splitting from the Episcopal Church of America and either starting their own Anglican church or trying to move under the pervue of non-US Bishops who have the same conservative bent as they. I know that the RCC has "invited" these disaffected members to consider converting to Roman Catholicism, but I am not aware that people have, at least not in the numbers you suggest. So - references please. Thanks.

ebaines: Here's a reference from CNN. "Invited" is the important word.

Vatican welcomes Anglicans into Catholic Church - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/20/vatican.anglican.church/index.html)

ebaines: Here's a reference from CNN. "Invited" is the important word.

Vatican welcomes Anglicans into Catholic Church - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/20/vatican.anglican.church/index.html)

Thank you for this. Quoting from the article:


Levada said "hundreds" of Anglicans around the world have expressed their desire to join the Catholic Church. Among them are 50 Anglican bishops, said Archbishop Joseph Augustine Di Noia of the Congregation for Divine Worship.

"Hundreds" is a far cry from 400,000.

ebaines,
Glad to oblige...
Canadian Anglicans Ask for Full Communion Through Catholic Ordinariate - Catholic Online (http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=35802)

Thanks arcura. The article is a little misleading - it's not that 400,000 people are accepting the Vatican's invitation, at least not yet. The Anglican Catholic Church of Canada - which is the organization that is in the process - currently has about 40 parishes. I don't know how many members that is - perhaps 10,000 (a SWAG on my part)? It is affiliated with the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC), which has about 400,000 members world-wide. We'll have to see whether other parts of the TAC take the Vatican up on its invitation. My guess is that only those parts of the TAC located in the US or Canada are likely to make the change in the near future, as this is where the big controversies are. We'll see!

ebaines,
And that I and others can wait and see what traspinspires as you said.
Fred

Clough,
You asked what of significance is that?????
If you can't even guess at that then anything I say will be useless.
LOL
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I can't guess either, but I would be interested in knowing what the signifigance is as well.

darkdays,
Obviously the increase of 400,000 more members to any denomination is significant.

darkdays,
Obviously the increase of 400,000 more members to any denomination is significant.

I agree, but what implications or impact do you think it signifys?

darkdays,
That there are some who want to make a change for what they believe to be the better.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Is belonging to the Roman Catholic Church the only way that a person might arrive at salvation, arcura?

Thanks!

Clough,
No, I and my Church believes that there are many in different denominations who will be in heaven.
In fact at every service we pray for all who are in friendship with Jesus.
Does your church pray similarly?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

darkdays,
That there are some who want to make a change for what they believe to be the better.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Then this is a good thing, a positive change. Would you agree?

darkdays,
Yes, I do agree.
I hope and pray that many more struggle for unity as much as is possible of all Christian faiths.
We do need to work together regarding this hostile world.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I hope and pray that many more struggle for unity as much as is possible of all Christian faiths.
We do need to work together regarding this hostile world.

I'm guessing the ELCA branch of the Lutheran Church will eventually unite in fellowship with the RCC. I don't think I will see that happen in my lifetime, but by mid-century it will probably happen.

Wondergirl,
I agree. I have heard of such.
It may be sooner than one might think.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I'm guessing the ELCA branch of the Lutheran Church will eventually unite in fellowship with the RCC. I don't think I will see that happen in my lifetime, but by mid-century it will probably happen.

This seems unlikely. The ELCA, like the Episcopal church, is a relatively "liberal" institution - they both ordain women for example, and have women bishops. A significant difference that would likely keep them apart is the ELCA not following the tradition of Apostolic succession - which would cause the RCC some consternation with respect to "accepting" the validity of Lutheran bishops.

This seems unlikely. The ELCA, like the Episcopal church, is a relatively "liberal" institution - they both ordain women for example, and have women bishops. A significant difference that would likely keep them apart is the ELCA not following the tradition of Apostolic succession - which would cause the RCC some consternation with respect to "accepting" the validity of Lutheran bishops.
Luther kept a lot of Catholic rituals and liturgy and church music and general structure. That's why I said ELCA, which is open-minded enough that there could be a reunion of sorts.

ebaines and wondergirl,
Yes I do think that there will eventually be some more unity there.
However, with female pastors and bishops I think that will never happen and do pray so.
Our supreme priest, Jesus, was and is a male and so it should be.
Fred

My understanding... is that the Roman Catholic Church is the "original" church. Kind of like the National league is the "original" baseball league. That doesn't mean to imply that the American league does not play baseball, or that other denominations are not truly Christian. It's just a term that defines lineage. All protestant faiths, by definition, have NO connection to Jesus without touching a path of leadership belonging to the Roman Catholic church. All non-denominal Christian faiths, by definition, have no leadership lineage to Christ. So by the Roman Catholic church offering acceptance to Anglicans (or any other) denomination, the Catholic church is simply working to heal the schism. Nothing more. No winner/loser. Just growing the faith. Why people get so defensive on this topic I'll never understand.

RustyFairmount,
I agree. You have made a good point.
Healing the unity of those who love Christ is important and I hope to see much more of that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Rusty:

I would agree - we Protestants have no need to be "defensive." I was merely pointing out that Arcura's original posting was exaggerated.

BTW - in the Anglican Communion (Episcopalean Church in the US) there is indeed an apostolic continuity going all the way back to Christ - just as in the RCC. In fact in our Nicene Creed we pray for "one holy catholic and apostolic church" (note the lower case "c" on the word "catholic"). I think this apostolic tradition is one reason why I sometimes hear Anglicans/Episcopaleans referred to as "Catholic - light," and I suspect a supporting point for the Pope's specific invitation specifically to Anglican/Episcopalean clergy (as opposed to, say, Methodists or Lutherans).

Rusty:

I would agree - we Protestants have no need to be "defensive." I was merely pointing out that Arcura's original posting was exagerated.

BTW - in the Anglican Communion (Episcopalean Church in the US) there is indeed an apostolic continuity going all the way back to Christ - just as in the RCC. In fact in our Nicene Creed we pray for "one holy catholic and apostolic church" (note the lower case "c" on the word "catholic"). I think this apostolic tradition is one reason why I sometimes hear Anglicans/Episcopaleans referred to as "Catholic - light," and I suspect a supporting point for the Pope's specific invitation specifically to Anglican/Episcopalean clergy (as opposed to, say, Methodists or Lutherans).

Sorry. Wasn't trying to come across harshly. Totally agree with all you've typed above. The line in the Nicene Creed that you quoted is one of my favorites. That's why I tried to be careful to use the phrase "Roman Catholic" rather than just "catholic" which can be misleading. Happy Easter!!

ebaines, Thanks for your thots on the matter.
Fred

After reading the past four pages of debate, I find myself returning to a book I was required to read while I was taking classes for the Decanoate within the Diocese of Lexington, KY

The book was called "Sent George".

In this book a man is asked questions by a dragon. The conversation goes on and one day the dragon tells a story,"...One day God and his administers were arguing over exactly God would provide the world below with a book of His guidelines and rules." Well after much debate and nasty infighting, they were down to language. Everyone wanted a different language. So God settled the argument by saying He would be the ink for the writers to use in spreading His words.

Anyone see any parallels with this debate.

donf,
God speaks in all languages to the heart.
Is that it?
Even close?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

God speaks in all languages and to all peoples.

All we have to do is listen.

donf,
Yes, I agree.
Fred