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gvn
Mar 15, 2010, 03:19 AM
Do any one have a bullmastiff breed weight gain chart

These are the current weight gain chart I have for my little one

8 weeks - 4 kgs
9th week - 2.5 kgs ( diarrohea and gastric prob due to the wrong way he had been transported from airport to our home, had to give 2 bottle of saline to get him back)

3 month - 7 kgs
4 month - 11 kgs - 15 inch height.

Stool - OK
Urine - clear

shazamataz
Mar 15, 2010, 06:39 AM
There isn't really a set weight as it depends on the size and build of the dog.
Some Mastiffs could be huge and others on the small side.

As long as he doesn't look under or overweight he should be fine.
What are you currently feeding?
Do you have any pictures you could post?

Aurora_Bell
Mar 15, 2010, 06:40 AM
HEre are some web sites I found that you might find helpful.
Can you tell me what his curretnt age, weight and height is?


Growth of your Bullmastiff weight chart Bullmastiff puppies weight chart, dogs, dog growth chart (http://www.belpatt.fr/dogs-puppies-weight-curve,Bullmastiff.htm)

guidelines for bullmastiff puppies (http://www.burningwoodbullmastiffs.com/guidelines.html)

shazamataz
Mar 15, 2010, 06:46 AM
I'm not a big fan of those charts.

According to the Miniature Poodle chart at my vets my male Brody is "Grossly Obese" when he is really a very healthy weight (on the lean side actually) it's because he is rather heavy boned. Whereas my female is in the "Optimum" range on the chart yet she is a fat little pudding (who is about to go on yet another diet)

Cat1864
Mar 15, 2010, 07:18 AM
I wouldn't even want to look at growth chart for our dobie pup. She's four months old and looks six.

If you are truly worried about how he is growing, I would ditch the charts and find out if there is a local Bullmastiff Breed club in your area. Other experienced owners and breeders would be able to tell you more than any chart can.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 15, 2010, 07:29 AM
Sorry! My bad. I don't use charts, I go by what my vet tells me. Thought you were looking for general guidelines. Sorry again! :s

Cat1864
Mar 15, 2010, 08:18 AM
Sorry! My bad. I don't use charts, I go by what my vet tells me. Thought you were looking for general guidelines. Sorry again! :s

Aurora, no need to be sorry general information is usually good. I think gvn is looking reassurance on the development of his/her pup.

If his vet is used to Bullmastiffs, then I would go more by what the vet says than a general chart.

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 01:15 AM
Thanks every one for your answers

He had gone much leaner with ribs showing last month
But from last few weeks we are feeding him raw food
Raw chicken head, beef and weekly once lamp leg bone to chew
Additional to that 3 raw eggs a day

He is not putting up weight, but seems growing much on height

Now he is 4 months but height is 18 inches compared to weight 11 kgs
Ribs not visible.
Vaccinations completed

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 01:23 AM
Here is the latest photo for reference

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 01:27 AM
There is no local bullmastiff clubs or even no owners I came across nearby

Generally its GSD and Lab I can see even at vet clinic.
Mumbai, India

Catsmine
Mar 16, 2010, 01:47 AM
here is the latest photo for reference

He is very cute.

Here's a chart I saw at our veterinarian's. It's very general and describes adults, but it does give you some guidelines

How to Evaluate Your Dog's Weight - For Dummies (http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-evaluate-your-dogs-weight.html)

shazamataz
Mar 16, 2010, 02:12 AM
He looks a good weight, I would even say from that photo he is a little over what I would consider good for that age.

It's good that you are worrying, but you don't need to ;)

I personally don't know much about raw feeding, but I much prefer commercial dog food, especially while they are growing.
Large breeds are notorious for being difficult to grow in that if you aren't feeding the perfect balance of nutrients it can cause bone problems.
Large breeds like Mastiff and Great Danes need a diet of under 24% protein while growing.

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 02:20 AM
You raw is much lower in protein compraed to the processed food

I tried pedegree, royal canine, ecanuba which did not got me the result

Hope now following the raw diet . Hope it works

Totally Raw Natural Dog Food - TotallyRawDogFood.com (http://www.totallyrawdogfood.com/)

Catsmine
Mar 16, 2010, 02:36 AM
ya raw is much lower in protein compared to the processed food

i tried pedegree, royal canine, ecanuba which did not got me the result

hope now following the raw diet . hope it works

Totally Raw Natural Dog Food - TotallyRawDogFood.com (http://www.totallyrawdogfood.com/)

Good luck with the raw diet.

I cannot find the website you posted very credible. The authors' attitude is very belligerent, they start by discrediting veterinarians and then cite veterinarian testimonials, and they target one specific manufacturer.

I have seen other sites that promote raw feeding, and the concept does have merit, but other sites emphasize a balanced diet more than that one. Especially with a large breed puppy, do your research carefully.

Let me repeat, good luck with the raw diet. And enjoy your pup, he looks like a handful.

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 03:42 AM
Hi thanks catsmine

I had few email chat with the owner of site Karen, and even his products are not supplied in india, was very helpful in giving suggetion

We are getting raw from the local shops. Chicken head, and other meat. The bone part I am giving him the long leg bone to chew which won't be easy for him to swallow other than chewing.

And as on now he is growing good in height. 4 months and 18 inches is good one. The concern is about weight 11 kg at 4 months
But my vet had advised it is better that he is low in weight at this period. And his bones get enough time to get stronger before taking the load of his weight

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 03:43 AM
Catsmine. The link you gave is very informative and good

To evaluate dog size rather than purely on the weighing scale result.

Even I am doing same thing now . Making sure his ribs don't show

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 04:21 AM
shazamataz

Yes he is a larger breed
Bullmastiff expected to grow up to 60 kgs and height 27 inches

As per the breed standard I had checked and found the most of the puppys are wieighing 20 kgs plus by 4 months. That's what actually made me worry about his weight gain

Aurora_Bell
Mar 16, 2010, 04:37 AM
AWWWW he is gorgeous! He looks healthy to me! :)

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 05:18 AM
Aurora_bell

Thanks. You now he is picking well with his ribs not showing, only diff. is not gaining weight as per his breed standards. Instead of 20 kgs. Only 11 kgs :confused:

Height good - reached 18" :)

And now only at 4 months and more months till he stop growing.

Ears too started flying back ( a flying nun ) hahaha:D

Previous photo attached herewith to notice change in ear shape

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 05:21 AM
By the way he displays his breed characteristics very well at this younger age already

No barking (good as we stay in apartments)

And even don't bother when some one rang bell or any noice outside
Only when anyone from family go to open door, he come running to investigate who is at door
And if some one know, he just walk away back and lay down below sofa or any corner of room

And if any stranger he just stand near us till the stranger go

shazamataz
Mar 16, 2010, 05:31 AM
He's such a cutie :)

This might sound rude but can I ask where you bought him from? Is it possible they lied about his age, or sold you a runt?

Just trying to sus out why he is half the recommended weight. As long as he looks healthy and acts like normal pup though there's nothing to worry about, he could have a huge growth spurt in a month or he may not grow much at all and stay a relatively small Mastiff.

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 05:50 AM
I got him from a breeder in Tamil nadu, india

Got a pedegree certificate too

He dob is 15th nov 2009

The vet says he is lagging in weight more because of the initial setback of gastric trouble and lossing weight from 4 kgs to 2.5 kgs at 8th week as the person who carried him from airport did brought him on a bike through the pollutted mumbai traffice driving 2 hrs

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 05:52 AM
You its more about his health

As any malfunction in certification etc. I don't care now.
I just want my little one healthy and without any health prob

What breed, pure breed etc. is not my concern. Just concerned about the health of my little bundle of love

Aurora_Bell
Mar 16, 2010, 06:42 AM
:)

shazamataz
Mar 16, 2010, 06:57 AM
Wow, poor little guy, I'm glad he is in good hands now and with someone who loves him :)

He could catch up in weight yet.
Just keep a chart like you have been to monitor his progress.

Lucky098
Mar 16, 2010, 09:31 AM
Your pup appears to be at good weight to me. Typically when puppies lose weight, its due to them being sick. Puppies will hardly ever gain too much weight while growing.

You seem to be feeding your dog a pretty decent diet. I'm not all that familure with the raw diet, but I do know that the larger breeds of dogs can grow too fast and cause a lot of joint issues later in life. You may want to talk to your vet about the proper procedures on helping him slow down with his growth. In the U.S. a lot of giant breeds don't come off puppy food until a year and a half.

The easiest way to raise a puppy is to not micromanage them! Let nature takes its course... Help them out when they need it, but try not to nit pic.

Catsmine
Mar 16, 2010, 11:32 AM
GVN, Here's a thread we would all love to see you on:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/lounge/pictures-our-pets-416334.html

gvn
Mar 16, 2010, 10:43 PM
Thanks catsmine to lead me to the link. I had updated photos of my puppy and the fish - 2 white shark, 4 silver shark and 2 gold fish

gvn
Jul 5, 2010, 08:18 AM
very much sorry to update you all that my little cute one died last month

He got bacterial infection on throat and...
What to say.. . Fate

We lost our beloved one...

Girish Nair
http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community?cmm=103791652

Catsmine
Jul 5, 2010, 09:01 AM
very much sorry to update you all that my little cute one died last month

he got bacterial infection on throat and ....
what to say.. .. Fate

we lost our beloved one...

Girish Nair
orkut - (http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community?cmm=103791652)

Condolences. It is never easy to lose a pet. Let me urge you to be certain that no trace of the bacteria remains before you get another. Some bacteria can linger for a long time.

shazamataz
Jul 5, 2010, 09:13 AM
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry gvn

Aurora_Bell
Jul 5, 2010, 09:23 AM
My deepest sympathies GVN. I am so sorry for your loss.

gvn
Jul 5, 2010, 09:56 AM
Yes catsmine
But there are lot of things the poor soul had taught us before he left us.. how to be careful next time before purchasing a puppy

Never ever purchase from a trader.. ONLY REPUTED BREEDER

Even started a community in orkut to share my know how and what I learned. Hope it will help some one don't end up doing mistake like I did in purcahign from a trader or a wrong breeder

orkut - (http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community?cmm=103791652)

If it can help even 1 person. I will feel my little ones soul will be happy

gvn
Jul 5, 2010, 10:01 AM
orkut - (http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community?cmm=103791652)

Aurora_Bell
Jul 5, 2010, 10:30 AM
GVN, do you know what the bacterial infection was?

Cat1864
Jul 5, 2010, 10:35 AM
I am so sorry for your loss. It is amazing how much they can affect our lives in such a short time.

I am thankful you are using your grief in a productive manner. I hope your community will thrive and teach others your hard learned lessons.

gvn
Jul 5, 2010, 10:50 AM
Aurora bell.

The disease what efected him was Actinomycosis

Why that effected reasons. I don't know :-(

gvn
Jul 5, 2010, 10:58 AM
If any one know the reasons for the above disease please do update . Hopefully it can help to prevent that

Aurora_Bell
Jul 5, 2010, 11:46 AM
Here is a link I found, looks like it is fairly rare and from what I can see could have been treated.

actinomycosis: Definition from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/actinomycosis)

Catsmine
Jul 5, 2010, 02:56 PM
if any one know the reasons for the above disease please do update . hopefully it can help to prevent that

Bella posted a link for a good overview of the disease. Here's the definitive info if you can wade through it.

Merck Veterinary Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/50200.htm)

gvn
Jul 7, 2010, 01:05 AM
Thanks catsmine. I will definitely go through it
And more inquisitive actually to know the reason for this disease

What lead to pets getting effected with this one. And what precautions to be taken to avoid this one

bestbuddy1986
Feb 23, 2012, 06:08 AM
Hi Girish,

I know this is very old thread. But I went through it completely. And really sorry to hear that.

Im also from Mumbai, and want to buy bull mastiff puppy.

Can u guide me. For how much u bought it in 2009?

paleophlatus
Feb 24, 2012, 12:48 AM
Pertaining to the giant breeds, especially, moderation and patience in their development tends to serve them best while they attain adulthood. Nothing is to be served by forcing development by encouraging it through nutrition alone. Physical development is determined and progresses according to the genetic blueprint of each animal. Excessive forcing of the issue before physical development has prepared the body to accomplish the requested exercises has the potential for unwanted consequences.

Similar cautions should be considered in juvenile exercise periods. Puppies, especially giant ones, are prone to incoordination, and can, literally, throw themselves into harmful positions. For example, but not limited to, throwing objects to be chased or fetched. If this requires a sudden directional change, or stop, the awkward pup may attempt a maneuver that puts abnormal and excessive stresses on the adolescent muscles and joint structures. Shoulder and other joint injuries at this age can plague the adult animal with arthritis, joint instabilities, and other infirmities that detract from their enjoyment of life. A 75 pound 8 month old puppy can run faster than it can safely turn sharply, or stop. But it will usually try. It may be hilarious watching it stumble, fall, slide and roll to a stop, but not so as it may get on its feet and limp back to you to throw the ball again.