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Guy29
Nov 28, 2006, 11:54 PM
Hello friends, I am very glad to find this place to look for some advice.

Well, my issue right now, it's to find some guidances on what to do with my relationship with my girlfriend.
We been together for 2 years and I think we had lots of experiences good and bad through this time.
I'm going through a rough time, I just lost my job and many money related problems has come to the surface for me. This situation put me in several weeks of depression and sadness, I'm sufering insomnia and I'm waking up very late in the day.
For complicating the things more, my car was crashed and the insurrance company denied me the coverage.
Despite of this, I tried to keep my productiveness up, referring on finding a new job which I constantly do day after day, but it's difficult, since the economical conditions on my country. I try to keep myself active (even if I develop this late waking up condition), I just sign in the gym, and I trying to making great efforts to keep my relationship with my girlfriend the closest as we used to before my budged was affected.
She start lately to complain about my condition, but the problem I feel her very offensive when she said it to me. We had a fight the last Saturday, because even we didn't have stablish a early encounter, I woke up almost 1 pm, and she call me upset, telling me that she always have to wait for me.
Well I can understand some of her point of view, but the problem is she get too mad, and she starts to say harsh things, directly and indirectly way. Most of the things are she's telling me a loser, and I should do something with my life (like she forgot how I treat her when I had better financial status). It's been 2 months since I lost my job and even I understand her position I can not understand her harsh phrases on my situation. It's like I feel she just trying to make me feel worst.
Phrases like: "I don't like a man who sleeps all days until late, because I think they are slobs"
"You are 29 years old and you don't have a life"
"I'm bored of this, having to wait for you until you wake up"
"I know who you are, I figure it out when I saw you not doing that business you could have done it" (By the way that was a risky business that I decided not go further and if I would, on this day I will be more than broke)
I feel very attacked by the expressions, may not be the things she said, but the form she does. After a round of this "attacks" she just shows up waiting for me to give her love and tender, and I just can't, and she gets mad because of that, and I just tell her how I feel about her expressions, and she just respond with "If that hurts you, it's because it's true", and that just block my brains completely.
I just ask myself, what is her problem? Or maybe it's me, maybe I'm been too sensitive or not?? where's her support??
Please help me on this, I have a university degree at the higher level, a MBA, a loving family, good principles in life, and I know my job status (hopefully) will change soon, but I'm starting to feel angry and even some hate of her (I know I still love her) when she acts and tells things like that. I'm starting to feel bad when she's around me like that.
And all of this because I didn't wake up on saturdays to see her?

Please I will accept all points of view, the more the better.
I'm totally confused on what to do with her.

Thanks from the heart:(

ballybee
Nov 29, 2006, 12:08 AM
At this moment you are very vulnerable and the last thing you need is someone nagging you all the time.. I think you should have a discussion about this with her when she is in a calm mood if you still have feelings for her.

Otherwise this may be an extra load on what you are already carrying... you could agree together set a fixed time in your schedule for her so that you can make the most of the rest of your time to sort your other issues.

It is sometime difficult for outsiders to understand the level of mental challenge someone else is going through

About the sleeping... no offence I noticed in the last difficult phase of our relationship he would sleep a lot as if he wanted to pass time or get into another world of his... to escape something difficult.. I did not nag about it however I did make the observation... except that I would cuddle him and sleep along :) However I too at times, did feel abit odd and rejected that he could not make the most of our time together


In any case you need someone supportive and she should be more careful given the delicate situation you are in...

Keep being active.. go to the gym.. don't get into any risky business ventures.. this is just a phase and you will definitely get out of it

Guy29
Nov 29, 2006, 03:04 AM
Thanks for the advice ballybee, reading about how other woman pass through this, gave me a good point of view. Well, in my case, talking about the sleeping part, it's not I'm trying to escape from my adverse reality right now, I just think is depression, because I can't fall into sleep (even I'm laying on bed) until it's 4 or 5 am, so that's why some days (and not all like my "supportive" girlfriend claims) I sleep passed 11 am or more.
Well tomorrow we going to see each other for luch, and I will discuss with her about her expressions, I hope she can be receptive.
But how in God name do I release this anger I feel inside of me because her expressions? I don't want to respond to her with the same coin but also I want this situation never shows up again, because I want to keep loving her

ballybee
Nov 29, 2006, 03:19 AM
Well, I would advise you first not to go to your date while angry so that you can communicate your feelings in the most rational way. You should agree prior to do so that.. you are only trying to express you feelings and tha it is not a blaming session.. and that you need her to know about it because it drives you angry and hurt your feelings. Whatever case, please don't sleep into an argument because she may want to defend herself.

If she wants to express her own feelings, just listen and keep it at that. The main thing would have been to communicate on what you feel.

Then you should explain to her your plans of getting out of the situation you're in and how you plan to go about it and that you need her support in these difficult times by giving you a bit of space (whether physically or by phone) in order to let you deal with your problems.

If you two agree to set a special moment once a week (maximum) to express your love for each other then.. I am pretty sure there will be less nagging. Once everything is back on track, you may resume seeing her on a more regular basis

If it was possible.. I wouldn't do this over lunch.. I would probably choose a park or some quiet and open place (neither at yours nor at hers)

Wish you the best and hope to hear great news from you

Guy29
Nov 29, 2006, 01:38 PM
Well, we could't meet for lunch today, because she was sleeping at 3 pm!! (Ironic LOL), I just tell her mom that leave her sleep quietly my poor baby...
Maybe she's trying to provoke a fight between us, or she's just been unfair or maybe she's just tired... :(

valinors_sorrow
Nov 29, 2006, 02:21 PM
The real answer is... it is both of you. The problem is there isn't enough of a bond between you to weather this temporary bad time as a team. And its been there all along but it took adversity to make it show up. I suggest that you back up and put some distance between you and her. Your problems are your problems. Let her know that if she cannot accommodate the changes that have occurred in your life in a supportive manner, then you aren't willing to discuss them with her. Then don't discuss them. If you are being repeatedly criticised, tell her you will take that under consideration and change the topic to something more positive. If she can't change the topic, then get up and leave. The old saying "with friends like this who needs enemies" comes to mind. Limit your time with her to fun things only, and keep your troubles to yourself or shared with friends who can better handle it. See her for what she is -- not your girlfriend but instead is a woman you occasional date, that way you can lower your expectations of her and let go of the anger you feel over the disappointment.

Guy29
Nov 29, 2006, 08:12 PM
OK, but the back up process is very difficult for me because she might start feeling that I don't care about her and she will react with no comunication and indiference to me (I know her), and that really put me in a stage of "I'm going to loose her because of me"... but then I think, I'm not receiving any confort from her either...
Oh God!. well, trying to visualize a person who shared with me 2 years, and lived together very close like a "woman who occasional i date" sounds very extreme, but don't get me wrong, I understand the purpose of that.
We talked over the phone but we are talking very cold with each other, with no tender (I just can't because even I expressed her my disconfort with her harsh expressions until this time I haven't heard any sign of regret or just a sincere "im sorry"), and we agree that we have to talk about this problem but the next day she just don't put enough interest and she just demand me that I must have to go visit her at her university, like the others bfs do, and she told me that I have to give her more attention, etc, etc, etc.
How can I give more to her when I feel not heard, when I felt her roughness and no sorry after that, how??
It feels like Im always the culprit no matter the situation comes from me or her..
How can I make her understand that? Because I if I get too soft on her she will underestimate my feelings

talaniman
Nov 29, 2006, 10:06 PM
If you had the relationship you thought you have with this female, then she would be supporting you instead of putting you down. This back and forth is taking the focus from the real problem and that is to get your situation on a better level. You seem to be more worried about losing her than losing yourself and that my friend helps nothing. From the outside looking in she is at best a fair weather girlfriend , or you are a bum who cannot or will not help your own situation. You need to make a decision for yourself to improve your own situation first before you can even think of your love life. Now you can lay in bed and be depressed and sleep till noon, but know this the ability to feed, and provide shelter for ones self is basic. Anything you can get as far as bringing money into your life is a step up from nothing and instead of trying to convince her of your feelings, you time and energy would be better served getting you out of bed and to work, and how you can be looking for work and sleeping till noon for whatever reason makes very little sense. Forget the love life, if you can call it that, and get a real life. For you not her.

Guy29
Nov 29, 2006, 10:30 PM
wow!! Wow!! I don't know if I have to say thanks or anything else talaniman... but I will take it as the positive way... Well, I thought make it clear, that it isn't as easy as in EEUU to go out and find a new job here.. and also I make it clear that I'm making great efforts to find a new job... How does it make sense? Well, it makes sense because there aren't all my WEEK days which I feel down and I sleep until noon, as my beloved GF thinks with her harsh expressions. This takes place on weekend days, and when I feel the sadness entering my system on a Tuesday morning for example, and if I don't have anything (job enterview, or search) to do, I'm swithching to exercise or something else...
I'm into 2 process of great jobs and I hope any of those will come to me.

Well talaniman you succeed on making me put on defensive way on public opinion (that's ok)..

The point is I feel she's trying to prove me that I'm worth it in a very invasive way, that's a feeling.. and I'm still trying to find support here and plain guidance from all of you..

talaniman
Nov 29, 2006, 10:57 PM
No jobs in your town? Go to the next! Even here in the US you just can't sit and hope a job comes to you. Where are you anyway?

ballybee
Nov 29, 2006, 11:03 PM
I sense a manipulative attitude here... I reckon taking some distance is called for now... if she didn't bother to make it to lunch yet saying that you don't see her often.. that's totally contrary... there is too much of focus on her need and not enough on yours... take some distance... the no contact rule (no phone calls, no e-mails, no nothing)...

Don't worry about losing her... when someone is in the wrong.. she may act like she doesn't care for a while.. but I hardly think it's going to last until she realizes what she is about to lose ( if it is not lost by then)

talaniman
Nov 29, 2006, 11:18 PM
The problem is there isn't enough of a bond between you to weather this temporary bad time as a team.

Maybe you can't see it but, but here is something to think about. Which is exactly why my advice is to concentrate on yourself, she is not helping, is she?

Guy29
Nov 29, 2006, 11:38 PM
Ohhh sorry I didn't mencioned, I live in Ecuador, South America... and I'm not waiting the jobs comes to me... Did I mencioned I look for opportunities every day? Oh yes... Moving to another town would be reduce my chances since I'm living in the most commercial city in the country... maybe moving to other country (but that's a deep and huge decision crossing my mind also)... hmmm did I mencioned I'm on 2 job process now? Oh OK..

What did I said to present the idea of "waiting the jobs comes to you" for you?

Thanks to talaniman and ballybee, yes, I think I'm doing this already, the "take distance" way... maybe it's hard for me to realize the person who I lived together until the adverse scenario showed up... It is really hitting me hard... yes, the bond..
I just called to her cell tonight and I said that I want to talk some over the phone when she gets back home, and she told me, that why do I call her so late (11 pm here), saying that now I'm hagging around with my brother since I don't have anyone else to go out (that was another indirect), I just said: Just call me if you want when you get back...
That never happened, and I suppose the next days she's expecting my calls..
It seems I get dissapointed of her very much and in every little thing, am I overreacting now?. she's starting to be very cold with me since I'm doing this "back up" thing..
Inside of me, I feel I'm doing right on this... but it's scary

ballybee
Nov 29, 2006, 11:53 PM
Trust Guy, take the pill as if you want to cure yourself from a disease... it is for the good cause.. but how old is she? It think she so lost in her anger that she's forgotten her manners... Get some friends around you who could support you in this process and to help you stick to your decision

Guy29
Nov 30, 2006, 12:07 AM
She's 23... and I will take the "some distance pill" to see what happends and focus my energy on fortify my emotional and psicological health and my professional quest... It's still sad that I had to overcome her harsh expressions on my own..

ballybee
Nov 30, 2006, 12:14 AM
Well someone got to make the first step.. and hopefully she will follow-ur lead and do a bit of thinking on her own (whe you would have firmly requested for space).. Best of luck in your job interviews.. do remember that there are some other sections on this website for professional issues.. you may find some good stuff there too

talaniman
Nov 30, 2006, 12:19 AM
It's still sad that I had to overcome her harsh expressions on my own..
That's something we all face when there are problems in our relationship, and I will apologise for doubting your sincere job seeking, Good Luck with that, but I implore you to rethink the relationship with this female as it doesn't sound very healthy when she kicks you while your down.

Guy29
Nov 30, 2006, 01:05 AM
Thanks talaniman, apologise received, you are such a gentleman and also a great source of plain wise guidance.. maybe there were something missed on the translation in my mind (spanish to english).. sorry about that.
Funny... that little phrase has rounded my mind since long time ago about her: "She kicks you while your down"...
I will see what happends on this next days, I will think on that for sure...
By letting you express myself and find your support here, it's already making me feel better..
I will try to keep you informed about my progress..
Tomorrow it would be a not so busy day, well I will hit on the gym and more searching..
Thanks from the heart