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kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 03:37 PM
Main burner for hot water tank does not shut off.
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 03:47 PM
Turn the gas valve/thermostat down to pilot or vacation setting... what happens then?
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 03:52 PM
Burner goes out
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 03:53 PM
OK...
When you turn the gas valve/thermostat back up to the correct temperature and the gas valve fires... try backing it down a little... does it shut off then, too?
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 03:56 PM
Did as you ask, the burner fired up and is running
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 03:59 PM
I'll repost...
I wanted you to turn the gas valve/thermostat back up to the correct temperature and see if the gas valve fires... you did that. Then, try turning the gas valve/thermostat dial back off a little until it shuts off again. Let me know if it shuts off again.
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:03 PM
OK, turn the control valve to low. Burner is off. Turn the control valve to hot, half way between low and hot, burner is on
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:05 PM
OK... sounds like the gas valve is in control of things. What makes you think it isn't shutting off the burner?
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:07 PM
With no one running the hot water, burner was on for 20 minutes. Or so.
letmetellu
Feb 13, 2010, 04:10 PM
Massplumber I don't want to butt in but I am wondering if he might have a hot water leak and the heater is not keeping up with the hot water getting out of the water heater.
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:10 PM
Not too far fetched if someone had used the water for awhile prior to this firing off like that...
Otherwise, it sounds like the gas valve/thermostat is doing its job, so I am starting to wonder if you have any pipes that go under ground? Could be a leaking pipe underground (or elsewhere... look around). Are you an a slab type house (no basement)? Are there any pipes that go underground?
Back to you...
MARK
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:11 PM
I just posted that thought as you did letmetellyou... had to go through the steps to arrive at this... ;)
Look for a leak kmacjoe... let us know.
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:13 PM
OK, how do I trouble shot hot water leak
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:14 PM
Start by answering my questions...
Do any pipes go underground? Are you on a slab home (no basement)? Let me know.
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:15 PM
Slab type.
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:17 PM
Ahhh... this can be a bit tricky here. Sometimes you can find the leak underground by finding the hot water pipes that go underground. The leaking pipe would be hot when compared to the ones not leaking (as long as pipes remain unused). Chase out all hot water pipes that go into the floor... find the hot one.
If you can't find any pipes going into the ground it could be that they are behind the walls... gets more complicated then. Worst case, you'll need to call in a leak detector company... *UGH*!
Look for the pipes... let us know what you discover.
letmetellu
Feb 13, 2010, 04:20 PM
Massplumber- Do you mind if I as hin a question.
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:21 PM
Nope... please do... ;)
letmetellu
Feb 13, 2010, 04:26 PM
ok, how do I trouble shot hot water leak
I have two suggestions. First is make sure that no one is using water in your house, hot or cold. Now use a long screwdriver and hold the blade end againsg a faucet in you house, put the other end against the opening of you ear, see if you hear a noise that might be water running.
Second go to your water heater and use the cut off valve that you should have at the top of the heatr. Turn the water off for a few minutes, three or four. Now open the valve back up and if you hear a rush of water that probably means that you have a leak.
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:26 PM
OK, the hot water supply line goes into wall.
If I were to put a pressure gage on house line into the house and turn off the water line going in. watch the pressure gage for drop in pressure
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:28 PM
Try what letmetellu suggested... if you hear water charge into the tank when you turn the water back on then the leak is confirmed... although I think issue now is to find it as we're both pretty sure you have an underground leak somewhere.
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:31 PM
OK, I turn the water line off at the top.
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:36 PM
OK... give it 3 minutes and then go turn it back on... if water rushes in (it shouldn't)... leak confirmed... just need to find it now!
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:45 PM
Bad news!!
Yes I hear the rush of water going into the tank
Thanks for the help!!
massplumber2008
Feb 13, 2010, 04:47 PM
Glad to help here...
For tonight I'd shut off the water into the heater and turn the gas valve/thermostat to pilot. Turn all on in the AM when needed.
Good luck... hope it's found easily!
kmacjoe
Feb 13, 2010, 04:53 PM
Me to.