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MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 01:29 PM
A toy electric train moving at a constant speed on a circular track that has a radius of 1.2 meters goes around the track every 8 seconds.
a) what is the speed of the train?
b) what is the centripetal acceleration of the train?
c) what force turns the train?
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 01:34 PM
You need to apply:
a) v = \omega R
b) a = \omega ^2 R, or a = v^2/R
For both of these you need to calculate \omega , which is the rotational velocity of the train meausred in radians/second. To do that, use: \omega =2 \pi/T
As for what force keeps it on the traccks - what do you think?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 01:37 PM
I don't know what the omega is though so I can't solve it. And the forces I think they are normal force and friction force
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 01:38 PM
Is the speed 0.94 m/s?
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 01:40 PM
Is the speed 0.94 m/s?
Yes - very good!
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 01:42 PM
Was my answer for the forces correct? The friction force and the normal force.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 01:47 PM
How does friction cause the train to turn? Friction opposes the direction of motion of an object, so causes it to slow down, not turn (unless you have something weird going on causing uneven resistance - like a car whose brakes only work on the left side). And please clarify what you mean by "normal force" - in this problem you have a normal force between what and what?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 01:50 PM
Normal force is the perpendicular contact force exerted by a surface on another object. My choices for this answer are:
A) tension in a string
B) force of gravity
C) Friction
D) Normal Force
E) Force in a Sprng
F) Air resistance
It can be more than one. Im just not sure which one.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:03 PM
Well, there's no spring ir string in this problem,so those are out. So the question to you is: would gravity, friction, normal force, or air resistance cause a turning motion? Hint - this needs to be a force acting on the train towards the center of the circular track.
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:09 PM
I say that there is gravity and air resistance. Am I correct?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:11 PM
And normal force... because of the train and the track
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:13 PM
EDIT: this answer is in respnse to post #10
Nope. These forces both act on the train all right, but do NOT cause it to turn. Gravity is a force in the downward direction - not towards the center of the circle. Air resistance is a force opposing the diretion the train is moving (along the track) - again not toward the center.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:15 PM
and normal force... because of the train and the track
Normal force between the outside edges of the train wheels and the inside edges of the track, right?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:17 PM
Yes! I think that the train has a normal force and a friction force!
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:19 PM
Why friction?? Think - what direction does friction work in? Does it make the train turn? Or just slow down?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:25 PM
Slow down
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:27 PM
slow down
Right. So - of all the forces you listed, which one(s) make the train turn?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:29 PM
Ok for example a plane will need friction, gravity and normal force while it is in the air right?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:29 PM
The normal force makes the train turn.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:32 PM
Normal forces yes - caused by the force of the air against the tail and wings (assuming the plane is banking as it turns).
As for the other forces - why would either friction or gravity come into play? Same reasooing as with the train - these forces act in the wrong direction!
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:34 PM
I think the forces that act on the plan are normal force and air resistance and gravity.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:38 PM
i think the forces that act on the plan are normal force and air resistance and gravity.
Déjà vu - I feel like I'm Bill Murray in the movie "Ground Hog Day!" See post #10.
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:46 PM
I said gravity and air resistance on post #10.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:49 PM
i said gravity and air resistance on post #10.
Neither of which were correct when you guessed then, so why do you think they might be correct now? Stop just guessing at the answer and THINK - do either of these forces act towards the center of the circle?
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 02:51 PM
No just the normal force.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 02:56 PM
Normal force it is!
MS_SUMTER2010
Feb 11, 2010, 03:00 PM
Thank you for your help. I had needed it.
ebaines
Feb 11, 2010, 03:17 PM
You're welcome!