I would not use flyers for commercial business, only if you intend to do rendition homes. And if you are going to do this take them to a printer, even Kinko's so they look professional.

No, I have not cleaned for fifteen years for my company, the first two years I did occasionally when there was a problem with an employee showing up for work.

Now Ebb, I have over 215 employees that work 5 to 7 days per week. We have an Operations Director, 6 supervisors, three 2-man floor and carpet crews, 5 salespersons counting myself as I still am involved in sales and an office staff.

When you first started on this business did you work as a sub-contractor to like me or you work for some big cleaning company as a employee? Or you franchise?

Question: if oyu guys every hire a subcontractor to your contract, how much usually do you pay them? How much percentage let say? Is it 50% - 50% or what?

Hi again, ebbclean!

I've already suggested to you on your other thread about "How to Properly Talk to a Potential Customer" that you start new threads with new questions that aren't related to that.

So, I've titled and moved your new question that you asked there to a thread by itself in order to maintain the integrity of this site.

I assumed that what you're asking about is concerning cleaning or related activities. If not, please let me know the specifics so that I can change the title of this thread.

Thanks!

Yes...

Are you talking about special projects (wall cleaning, window cleaning, floor work, concrete cleaning, etc) work for subs or are you saying that you want to hire subs for everyday cleaning?

Stringer

I want to hire a subcontract for everyday cleaning to do the service for me.

Sorry clough, I will make sure that I do that next time..

i want to hire a subcontract for everyday cleaning to do the service for me.

Ebb, please go back to your other thread, I addressed sub contractors for nightly service there and why I do not think it is a good idea.

Stringer

Huh? Where is it? Could you explain it here?

Because I am thinking just a get a commission out of them so I let them do all the work

huh? where is it? could you explain it here?

because i am thinking just a get a commision out of them so i let them do all the work

In your first original thread.

Hi, ebbclean and Stringer!

I'm glad that you guys are continuing on this new thread!

I'm going to be copying some posts from the original thread over to this one so there's less confusion and so the information will be consistent.

I needed to close the original thread because there were so many questions that didn't have anything to do with the original question according to the way that the thread was titled.

Thanks!

Origially posted by ebbclean at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/business-plans/how-properly-talk-potential-customer-415138-5.html

Originally
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I would not use flyers for commercial business, only if you intend to do rendition homes. And if you are going to do this take them to a printer, even Kinko's so they look professional.

No, I have not cleaned for fifteen years for my company, the first two years I did occasionally when there was a problem with an employee showing up for work.

Now Ebb, I have over 215 employees that work 5 to 7 days per week. We have an Operations Director, 6 supervisors, three 2-man floor and carpet crews, 5 salespersons counting myself as I still am involved in sales and an office staff.
When you first started on this business did you work as a sub-contractor to like me or you work for some big cleaning company as a employee? Or you franchise?

Originally posted by ebbclean

When you first started on this business did you work as a sub-contractor to like me or you work for some big cleaning company as a employee? Or you franchise?

Originally posted by Stringer at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/business-plans/how-properly-talk-potential-customer-415138-5.html


I believe that anyone that wants to start a business and be successful should learn the business from within first. I started as a salesman for a janitorial company and eventually became the vice president of sales and marketing for the company. I was with them for over 15 years.

When we started our company we used sub contractors and switched to regular employees shortly after. There are many limitations and legal shortcomings to sub contracting workers.

And no, I don't think that franchising is the best way to go when starting a cleaning company.

Stringer

Originally posted by ebbclean at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/business-plans/how-properly-talk-potential-customer-415138-5.html


Originally Posted by Stringer

When we started our company we used sub contractors and switched to regular employees shortly after. There are many limitations and legal shortcomings to sub contracting workers.


Stringer
What is the limitations and legal shortcomings for Sub contract worker? Because right now that's what I am doing.

Originally posted by Stringer at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/business-plans/how-properly-talk-potential-customer-415138-5.html


Most states and the federal government set rigid rules and regulations that define exactly what a true sub contract is. There are quite a few of them. If you are investigated, usually by the state first, the federal government will also follow suit. When you are ruled in violation, you will have to pay all back taxes, interest and penalties, it can be devastating financially.

Many feel that these rules were put in place to insure that all taxes are being paid; by the contractor (employer) and by the subs who (in the US) are 1099'd. In other words the subs have to pay all their own taxes (as I'm sure that you already know) and some don't.

I do not know the rules in Canada, however I feel that they are probably the same.

Who Is Considered Self-Employed? (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=115041,00.html)

Just one site on this matter, there are many... Google the rules for sub contractors in Canada or talk to a tax attorney.

Stringer

I hope that the foregoing copies of posts are helpful to the two of you!

Thanks!

I hope that the foregoing copies of posts are helpful to the two of you!

Thanks!

Thanks Clough.

I will help where ever I can (you know this) but the OP must not have read my original post on sub contracting.

Oh I see now I know. Thanks for this info guys.

oh i see now i know. thanks for this info guys.

You're welcome! :)

You're welcome! :)

I agree... you are welcome.

1 question, if ever you guys hire a sub contract how much is the pay usually?

Hi, ebb!

I think that would depend on what's involved in the job and how much experience the person already has. I mean, I would think that a person skilled at doing stripping, finishing and buffing work on floors might warrant getting more pay than someone who was just collecting and emptying garbage.

Would you agree, Stringer?

Thanks!

If you choose to pay your 'worker' (because they will not be an employee) you can get a total by starting to figure the hourly rate for that worker and then extend it to weekly and or monthly. Figure the total loaded rate and arrive at a total dollar figure. That figure will be the total 'flat' rate.

Stringer

Hey, Stringer!

Would you not suggest a difference in pay, depending on the type of job that the person is doing?

Hey, Stringer!

Would you not suggest a difference in pay, depending on the type of job that the person is doing?

In my brief experience with hiring subs I found that you must be competitive. By that I mean you still have to pay the dollars that experienced performers in the market are receiving. The difference is in what you have to pay in insurance, and government required payment/s for the worker.

You're over my head now here, Stringer.

Are you saying that the subs are going to be getting insurance and the government required payments, financed by you, if they work for you?

Please forgive my ignorance!

Nowadays, I usually just hire guys move pianos or furniture for me.

Thanks!

Morning Clough,

No, when you are a sub contractor you are an independent business person. Actually as a sub you should invoice the contractor each time just as any business would. As such, you receive no benefits such as insurance as a worker would. The sub then pays all their own taxes and costs to do business.

Stringer